Howsabout dem corners? And this is a "5"???
Now this is the kind of thing that gives grading a bad name!
I guess if PSA is the NY Yankees of grading, SGC must be AAA ball . . . and this blue deal here must be 'single-A' minor league ball somewhere in Oklahoma or thereabouts.
(edited to replace eBay 'grab' with permanent image via Photobucket)
This message has been edited by 30s_non-sport_gum on Apr 18, 2009 6:11 PM
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This looks to me like a crack open of a PSA holder with a homemade insert. That is a prime example of why all collectors need to know how to grade cards themselves. Even if the holder claims one thing - you better be able to confirm it visually.
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Ralph, that's a real honey. I wonder if they would do me the same favor on a dog-eared Look n See Rembrandt card?
Actually, I think I see what happened. Their label printer was low on ink and didn't print the decimal point in front of the "5". The intended grade was ".5". The ink also ran out when it printed the "EX". The intended grade description was "EX HUNGER".
Grademycards.com? Not my cards, thank you.
Best in collecting, Bill Bengen
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Ralph, why do you say that PSA is the Yankees and SGC is AAA ball when the card you show doesn't relate to either company? How does this fake grading company have anything to do with either company? apauld.
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He also said "and this blue deal here must be 'single-A' minor league ball somewhere in Oklahoma or thereabouts" I think "blue deal" is referring to grademycards.com
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hey paul- since when is ralph not aloud to have an opinion. if you have your own post it!! it's a free speech board until the owner (tom b.) decides it has gotten out of hand.
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If you go to that website link that Richard posted, you'll find there's actually a physical address listed, in Philly, for GradeMyCards.com (yes, Claude: "the blue deal".). Maybe somebody from the board can buzz over there sometime and report back. No doubt there is a big, impressive reception area, dozens of desks with graders at work, a flow of Fedex and UPS trucks bringing/taking cards, etc. Or not!
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Mark, as a card-carrying Cubs fan, the rules only allow me to check into individual game results for other teams, like the NYY, on a limited basis. So no, I was not arguing, in my opinion, that PSA = the 4/19 Yankees!
Jim, if one generally gets what you pay for, I'd want to pay more than $.99, wouldn't you?
Marty, thanks for that.
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Paul, perhaps that figure of speech I used threw you a bit.
Speaking more directly:
PSA = the best
SGC = #2 and on the rise
GradeMyCards = not so good
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Marty & Ralph, I was just trying to point out the disconnect of the present situation; to the whole idea of who is better between PSA and SGC. No disrespect was intended. I just thought the whole PSA vs SGC thing should be in its' own thread; as opposed to the really important part of Ralph's original post, which as I see it, is that a new bogus grading company has been started to sell crap (the polite term) to the unknowing masses. I have not been around long enough to know, maybe the whole PSA vs SGC thing has been covered; but I do understand that what is really important in this thread is, that there has been created, a new way to just plainly rip people off. My thoughts on the whole SGC vs PSA thing aren't worth a dime (even though I do have some thoughts on it) when the main problem seems to be that anyone can say something is graded on eBay; when the grading company may be nothing more than themselves. eBay seems enamored with the idea of grading, to the point that charlatans can easily show up, and do more harm to the collecting that we all love. apauld.
PS-- Ralph, yeah I totally missed it. In retrospect, I do get it, though I still feel kinda dumb for unwittingly (or just stupidly) changing the subject; when it is such an important subject.
Rest In Peace -- JG Ballard.
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Even the stain-man could not help this card- Awesome 5, I think I will crack all my graded T 205's 5 and send to this company, will get at least 7's== any buyers ( this is real sad)
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I supose if you disregard the grades it might be a cost effective way of ' slabbing ' cards that you don't want to get damaged .
I know top loaders etc protect but these hard plastic slabs can't be folded , they can be dropped etc .
Just an opinion .
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I don't know why you guys are complaining. That card is graded EX by the seller who grades his own cards. That card is no different than what you'd receive as EX from most sellers in the Wrapper. And you support them.
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Oh come on James! There are bad apples all over (ebay comes readily to mind). Doing such a blanket statement for MOST Wrapper advertisers is kind of harsh. I have been selling in the Wrapper for a long time (I currently hold the record for most consecutive ads!). I don't recall ever selling you any cards. I know several other long-time Wrapper dealers who might be a little "soft" on grading so anytime I see their ad I usually drop things a grade. But that card is SAD! There is not a single dealer in the Wrapper that would grade that card EX.
This message has been edited by non-sport.com on Apr 21, 2009 10:56 AM
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I agree with Todd. And I do the same thing regards downgrading cards when I know the dealer is a little less conservative than me with their grading standards. I buy the cards based on what I think the condition really is, rather than the condition advertised.
Grading is always going to somewhat subjective, no matter who is doing the grading. I like PSA and I think SGC is just as good or a very close second. I prefer PSA cards because I have so many of them already and it would be too much work to change over. Plus, I think there is a broad perception that PSA cards are more valuable than their SGC counterparts.
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And Todd I did buy over graded cards from you. And you did do the right thing and returned my money. But prior to buying I did specifically ask you about the condition of the cards. And based on your answer I purchased the cards. I was assuming you actually took the time to look at the cards before giving me an answer. But based on your reply when you agreed to a refund, "I was going by memory", you never took the time to look at the cards.
I've been collecting cards since 1980 and at one time I too was against grading cards. But I couldn't help but notice how many dealers take advantage of over grading their cards and took the approach of throwing the deal against the wall and seeing if it sticks.
Regarding your statement,"I know several other long-time Wrapper dealers who might be a little "soft" on grading so anytime I see their ad I usually drop things a grade. But that card is SAD! There is not a single dealer in the Wrapper that would grade that card EX."
There's no such think as a little bit Pregnant.
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Grading has always been a subjective matter seller will always (almost) see the card better than it is and buyers will always (almost) see it worst, that's why grading company are making so much money out of it but even for them it is still subjective.
As far as the card in the holder I don't think PSA or SGC would have survived for so long with that kind of grading.
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I checked on the Bay to see comparable Superman cards and found quite a few slabbed by SGC . To be honest , their cards graded as Exc had sharper corners and nice clean borders . I know which cards i'd be spending my cash on .
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Dave,
That's interesting! I can give you a list of people who buy from me regularly who think I am too tough on cards (including Hugh Jones who bought cards from me and bumped them up half a grade).
I know there are lots of people out there who are only collecting grades. Thankfully I'm not one of those (and never will be). None of my collection will ever be graded until after I die. Every single graded card I have purchased has been cracked out of it's holder and will continue to be done so in the future. (I've even busted 9's)
I will say - I bought several Three Stooges recently that were all graded 5's or 6's by PSA. I busted all of them out and was disappointed in most of them. Many had bad corner dings not visable in the holders. Had I seen these cards "raw" I would have passed on them - as they didn't fit my definition of "EX".
Dave - I think I recall you now. Didn't you buy some tobacco cards from me? I think you returned them because they had some minor back damage so the grading companies will hammer those. (I did sell the same lot to another person was very pleased with them and said they were better than they thought). So to each his own!
I'm just glad I don't collect only the best cards on the planet - as you will be disappointed almost 99.9% of the time.
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Hi Dave , Does this mean you'll be taking your grading to GMC in the future or even purchasing cards graded by this company , or is this a chance to get at Wrapper advertisers who give their own opinion on their own cards ?
Just wondering .
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This message has been edited by TheNewtonian on Apr 21, 2009 5:56 PM
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Mark,
No I would never get any cards graded with GMC, I'm a PSA man.
And I'm not out to get anybody! I happened to agree with James comment and I was just expressing my opinions.
Dave
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Apologies , i didn't mean to make you sound agressive (having a go) . I've yet to purchase cards from Wrapper advertisers so shouldn't really comment on the grades they assign to their cards .
(That's why i asked on another thread , and with some luck the Wrapper people might turn up)
But lets be honest , if that Superman card was in a PSA 6 holder , would you buy it ?
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The best part is that it looks like they just copied their guarantee from another "well known" grading company.....PRO!!!!! They copied the PRO guarantee and just put Grade My Cards in all the right spots.....except they missed one......
Does Grade My Cards guarantee the grade?
3. Grade My Cards will not grade cards which bear evidence of trimming, re-coloring, restoration or any other form of tampering, or are of questionable authenticity. In the event Grade My Cards rejects any card for grading, the fee paid by the customer for the services WILL NOT be refunded because the determination to rejects a card will require a review by PRO's grading experts.
I didnt bother to copy all the other numbers up, just the one they forgot to change the word PRO to Grade My Cards. The link below is where this beauty if found along with the rest of PRO's guarantee being used for GMC (the cool way to talk about grademycards.com)
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