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Cute Ebay Tricks

October 30 2009 at 1:42 PM
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  (Login WarHoundR69)

For this to work both the Seller & Buyer have to know each other & trust each other.

1. You list an item on Ebay & it sells on Ebay to a buyer you know & trust - probably a fellow Board member or repeat customer.

2. Both of you agree to a mutual cancellation - so no seller FV fees.

3. Buyer pays you via PP Personal Gift Option - so no PP fees.

4. Purchased Item is mailed to buyer.

This method actually puts the Buyer at most risk (No PP buyer protection) plus you can only do it with bank account withdrawels ( No CC).

Kinda neat - just did it.

So is it ethical?


 
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October 30 2009, 5:09 PM 

Jerry ,

Do you think that this 'trick' could be used by sellers shilling their products ...

eg ...shill the price up and if no one bids higher than the ' false ' bid then it doesn't matter as the won't incur any fees or lose any money .

The seller cancels the so called 'sale' bid and incurs no fees except listing fees .

Just a thought .

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Mark

 
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October 30 2009, 6:23 PM 

Jerry - never thought of that but it's a great idea. What ever happened to the old Ebay anyway? It was alot more fun before all the changes. Too pro seller....


    
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Ralph P
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October 30 2009, 6:56 PM 

I suspect you may be playing with fire. Just as banks have their software to monitor transaction patterns to determine security risks, eBay also has systems to monitor their bread-and-butter transactions.

One would expect eBay's monitoring software would catch this trick after it occurred more than once or twice, pairing the same eBay accounts. They may not get too serious on other types of shenanigans (like the millions of customer complaints against sellers, etc.), but if their fees were evaporating, multiple times, you can be assured they will be quite interested.

Just guessing, but probably second or third time you trigger their compliance process in this way, probably results in temporary account suspension and the hassle of reactivation. But after that, they would probably terminate accounts.


 
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Charley Ramone
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October 30 2009, 6:58 PM 

Jerry Ask's: So, is it ethical?

No

While I am no fan of the NEW improved ebay and its fraudulant sister paypal. Paypal is Crooked, they have shown their "bad fruit".

Just as a Good Tree cannot bear "bad Fruit" , a Bad tree(evil,crooked) can't bear "good Fruit"

Speaking as a fruit inspector...if you engage in this activity your fruit is bad.

What if you found a way to cheat those crooks at paypal out of a buck on every transaction? Would it be ethical?

How about finding a way to sell reconstructed cards on ebay or to board members? Would it be ethical?

Clearly, you knew the answer...or you would not have asked.

In Love JH

 
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October 30 2009, 7:27 PM 

Reminds me of the urban legends back in the 1960/70s about people who had figured out how to get free long-distance phone calls from Ma Bell's payphone booths. Supposedly they were able, by blowing whistles into the phone, to reproduce the sequences of exact tones used by phone company switchers to route calls across the network.

One of the legendary personalities in this subculture had the nom de guerre of "Cap'n Crunch", since he supposedly used a plastic whistle that came as a free premium in boxes of that cereal brand.

Of course, this captured people's attention, a way to get something for nothing from the AT&T telephone monopoly . . . but ultimately, whether the story was true or not, the theoretical practice aimed to game the system to derive benefit without paying. The justification was all rolled-up in a fairly common view back (before the break-up of AT&T) then that the telephone monopoly was unjustified and somehow oppressive and evil, so ripping it off wouldn't be wrong . . . and in fact, in some way, heroic. (Sounds pretty lame today, no?)

Anyway, in the current eBay case, the practice described would use eBay's system (paid-for and owned by eBay's shareholders, people like you and me) without paying. So I'd say nah, don't do this, even if eBay DOES feel like an evil oppressor at times, too! happy.gif


    
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yep

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October 30 2009, 8:05 PM 

what charlie said.
love and laughter,
uncle slacker

 
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(Login Gamebits)

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October 30 2009, 8:22 PM 

Define ethical:

If a dealer buy a lot of card and sell it for twice the money he paid for, is it ethical? What about 5 times or 10 times? Where does it stop to be ethical?

I saw a video of a dealer at a coin show who was all happy that he bought a bag of nickel for a fraction of the value from a guy who "obviously didn't know anything about it". Was it ethical?

Taking advantage of the uninformed seems to be ethical for some person, "I spent years to learn what is good and what is bad, they just have to do the same if they don't want to get [choose your word here]".

Is it different when you deal with a corporation?

Just asking.

Claude

 
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October 31 2009, 7:54 AM 

I don't plan on doing it again, did it once & knew it was wrong. I guess I just wanted everyone to be aware of this trick.

 
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not ethical & not needed

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October 31 2009, 4:07 PM 

its obvious if a seller is going to use ebay to obtain attention to an item then the seller should respectfully pay for the services whether you like the new policies or not. however, i am included, if you have an item for sale and have the ability to sell off ebay and both parties are comfortable. then all that is needed to is cancel the auction before it ends. then no sellers fees, no paperwork to fill out, and no waiting for refunds. so ebay actually, although inadvertant, does give every seller a way out to avoid fees, its a pretty fair deal when you think about it.

 
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