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1963 Flag Midgees - Panels from Sheet

November 4 2009 at 5:38 PM
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  (Login Mark_Finn)

OK, here's my first stab at understanding how the panels were "cut" from the sheets.

Below are 5 images.

1. A uncut sheet of the full set of 99 cards.
2-5. Sheet blow-ups showing the 3 card panels I have on hand. (( The panels are shown highlighted in RED or GREEN .. The panels that wrap around the sheet do not have the highlighted box completed on the sheet side ))

My conclusion from the panels I have is that the sheet must have come in < at least > 3 separate layouts.

Enjoy??

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November 4 2009, 6:32 PM 

Thanks Mark. I'm the one who asked a question about this set a while back. I collected them as an 8 year old, but don't remember them to be honest. They were just in a box I had.

A couple of years ago, I sorted them and filled in the 8-10 cards I was missing. When I did, I noticed that mine come two ways; the perforated ones, which obviously came in panels, but most of mine do not have any perforations. They are smooth, normal cut on all 4 sides.

This led me to wonder if they were distributed in two different ways.





Edited to add: I do still have quite a few dupes, if anyone's trying to complete a set.


    
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November 4 2009, 8:27 PM 

Quite a few years ago I had a very large lot of these (around 400 panels). At that time I wasn't actively collecting them but wondered if I could put together a complete set of all 99 cards on exactly 33 panels. I noticed a pattern and since I had such a large lot I was able to select the exact number of panels to accomplish my goal. Since then I have traded the set and all the singles away and have started over again. However, I did keep some notes on the pattern.

The pattern I saw suggested that there could be 99 panels in a complete panel set. Here is the list of potential patterns with all confirmed panels marked with a "*". If anyone else would like to check their panels maybe we can confirm the total number of panels in the set.

Post below or email me and I'll update the list.

1/39/76 *
2/52/5 *
3/49/23 *
4/44/47 *
5/8/89 *
6/26/22 *
7/84/75 *
8/89/72
9/32/78 *
10/86/98 *
11/28/56 *
12/69/91 *
13/87/43 *
14/64/19 *
15/81/10 *
16/92/25 *
17/95/14 *
18/99/40 *
19/73/48 *
20/2/52 *
21/58/57 *
22/82/1 *
23/90/54 *
24/67/3 *
25/36/93 *
26/22/82 *
27/17/95 *
28/56/71 *
29/20/2 *
30/41/96 *
31/66/45
32/78/94 *
33/30/41 *
34/33/30 *
35/12/68 *
36/93/46 *
37/13/87 *
38/11/28 *
39/76/53 *
40/85/68 *
41/96/21 *
42/29/20 *
43/38/11 *
44/47/16 *
45/70/18 *
46/4/44 *
47/16/92 *
48/51/27 *
49/23/90 *
50/24/67
51/27/17 *
52/5/8 *
53/79/6 *
54/60/50 *
55/77/63 *
56/71/37 *
57/74/34 *
58/57/74 *
59/55/77 *
60/50/24 *
61/88/15 *
62/83/61 *
63/80/7 *
64/19/73 *
65/59/55 *
66/45/70 *
67/3/49 *
68/31/66 *
69/91/9 *
70/18/99
71/37/13 *
72/42/29 *
73/48/51 *
74/34/33 *
75/65/59 *
76/53/79 *
77/63/80 *
78/94/97 *
79/6/26 *
80/7/84 *
81/10/86 *
82/1/39 *
83/61/88 *
84/75/65 *
85/68/31 *
86/98/62 *
87/43/38 *
88/15/81 *
89/72/42 *
90/54/60
91/9/32 *
92/25/36 *
93/46/4 *
94/97/35 *
95/14/64 *
96/21/58 *
97/35/12 *
98/62/83 *
99/40/85 *


    
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Mark Finn
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Re: 1963 Flag Midgees - Panels from Sheet

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November 5 2009, 7:06 AM 

I can confirm the following (24):

1/39/76
5/8/89
6/26/22
9/32/78
11/28/56
15/81/10
17/95/14
20/2/52
24/67/3
35/12/68
48/51/27
49/23/90
51/27/17
54/60/50
62/83/61
64/19/73
65/59/55
66/45/70
76/53/79
77/63/80
78/94/97
83/61/88
86/98/62
96/21/58

 
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November 5 2009, 7:49 AM 

My eyes!!!

Actually, after I was able to sit down and look at this, it looks like the three sheets would all have been printed in the same configurations, i.e. none of the cards moved around, but the columns were shifted with respect to the cutting of each panel commenced. Is that right? That's an interesting observation.

 
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November 5 2009, 8:07 AM 

OK, I have updated the listing incorporating Mark's and some emails I have gotten. Anybody else have any of these?

(still unconfirmed)

8/89/72
31/66/45
50/24/67
70/18/99
90/54/60


    
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Have 30-40 panels

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November 5 2009, 8:41 AM 

that I'll check tonite.................

 
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November 5 2009, 8:48 AM 

Todd, I have:

2/52/5
14/64/19
26/22/82
46/4/44
58/57/74
71/37/13
74/34/33
79/6/26
81/10/86
84/75/65
92/25/36


 
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November 5 2009, 9:34 AM 

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Bobby
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Flag Midgees

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November 5 2009, 9:45 AM 

Now try and figure out the Canadian ones that were on the back of the gum boxes....

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November 5 2009, 10:41 AM 

Great Chuck!

Looks like we are on track to confirming all 99 panels. I have updated the unconfirmed above.

Bobby,
Those are great! Do they have printing on the back?

 
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Flags

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November 5 2009, 12:34 PM 

Not sure as I don't own this box anymore but I can't remember if it did or didn't...sorry

 
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November 5 2009, 1:38 PM 

Bobby-what year is that Bozo box from? 63 or is it later?

 
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Canada

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November 5 2009, 5:00 PM 

Not sure but I would imagine it would be 63' or 64' for sure.

 
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November 5 2009, 5:17 PM 

Thanks, Bobby, so now I finally know where that odd stack of flag cards that I have came from!

I don't collect the 1960s, so if anybody is interested in some of these, pls email for details.

Ralph

 
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November 5 2009, 10:16 PM 

Thought I recognized that box - the cards are blank-backed, which can somewhat be seen through the three cello circles on the front.

 
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Re: 1963 Flag Midgees - Panels from Sheet

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November 6 2009, 4:06 PM 

Tom,
Did you ever get a chance to check your panels? I'd like to put this one to bed before it puts itself to bed.

 
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my normal dragass self......

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November 6 2009, 9:06 PM 

had not checked.........now I did......

40 panels checked

Only one more to confirm.......got you a little closer.......

13/87/43 DOES indeed exist.....


 
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November 7 2009, 7:37 AM 

Thanks Tom!

Lists have been updated.

 
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