Hey All!

was wondering if anyone has soaked a triple folder with any success? The backs look like they were pasted in a scrap book album. They are the thinner stock Dukes Cameo cards. The triple fold may be tricky? I appreciate any input. I've attached pix of the fronts and backs.

thanks!

Cliff

I don't recall soaking a triple folder per se but I have soaked similar stock. I would think these WOULDN'T soak well due the solubility of the ink HOWEVER - test the edge of one or soak top of Qtip and rub on edge. Please post your results....

no guarantees whether written or implied

I think they would soak pretty well as the triple fold N126's are thin stock and I have soaked them in the past with no major problems, that being said it all depends on the type of glue used-- some glue soaks just fine with no major staining where others are a beast. I would caution you to be very careful when the item is wet that you don't tear the two delicate fold lines as the paper gets very weak at creases like this when soaked for long periods of time.
-Rhett

Do one as a trial piece.
Remove the trade cards off of back,
dry - before you try to soak.
This allows equal - even soaking.
Inks are usually inert. Red is color
most likly to bleed.

Ron

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Ron

Hey all, had time yesterday to drop these in a bath. I did one at a time. same process used for both. warm water bath, one drop of dawn dishwashing liquid, 1/2 teaspoon of white vinegar. soaked for 1.5 hours. then began to peel the edges of the backing off slowly. drew a new bath same formula for another 1.5 hours. the backing then peeled off fairly easily. minor paper loss on the Holland, I think I was impatient with the Egypt and it has a bit more loss on the back. No noticeable fading/degradation on the colors, if any a minor patch on the red flag (egypt). take a look at the photos below. thanks for all of your suggestions.

Cliff

Nice job Cliff. Looks like the soap and vinegar really helped. Do you think extending the soak to 3 hours would have prevented any paper loss?

Cliff you did a nice job on soaking.
Soaking longer only makes mush out of the paper.
Some paper loss is often unavoidable.

But using a soap & still having a reasonably sound card
is a miracle. Soap unlocks the ink bonding to the paper.
Years ago, I had A item that the image floated off.

When soaking I ONLY use very warm water.
No chemicals.

Ron

only water. I have yet to try the microwave or hairdryer thing. As Ron said - soap would never be a choice. If the glue used wasn't animal based and it has the properties that will allow it to disengage from the paper without damage - it become apparent rather quickly in most cases. Much like you can't sell a house only unsell one - soaking too long and/or introducing compromising elements like soaps will most likely yield poor results where warm distilled or R/O water as the least invasive approach will most often be successful. There are certain chemicals that people use (lew lipsett darby article, towle here, mystery guy in mid-west, more) that I am not privey to. If it's an issue NOT related to a GRADE - and you want to pay for it - I wouldn't but go ahead. If it's about a GRADE (eg. monatry shrine value) - some TPG Co.'s and graders are able to tell (or so they say and have demonstrated) so in that case it might not be a good idea.
With any soaking - there also the problem of paper-loss. Tiny amounts of paperloss on the adhered surface is not usually problematic for me or many raw collectors. Grading companies however look at such a "defect" quite severely.
Use clean warm water - change frequently - when wet handle carefully - NEVER peel back from page - rinse carefully (never rub the glued surface) - pat dry - put between copier paper and put HEAVY weighted sumptin on top - change the paper a few times in the first couple of hours (making sure not sticking to paper because you didn't rinse/soak the glue off if it does don't peel just cut around it and soak again a few minutes) - FINAL NOTE - even when the card appears dry - most likely it isn't - don't be impatient and allow at least a few days.
sorry for a bored sunday escaping what I really should be doing ramble but often I can't help myself. Eric will probably remind me I could have said it all in one sentence.

if you care about the item - figure out a way to test the inks and or stock using a similar item - if not possible - sometimes using a dampened end of a Q-tip might work on the item itself. As for this and the above thoughts..........NO GUARANTEES WHETHER WRITTEN OR IMPLIED

I think I mentioned the long post once about 8 years ago.

Anyway, I'm familiar with the album he was soaking from. Plain water did not work and destroyed the cards. Apparently the soap and/or vinegar was necessary to dissolve the glue in this case.

was it the same album I recently soaked from? The thicker N cards did well for me - couple minor spots of loss on back of the 2 N28's. I only used water.