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July 30 2003 at 2:46 AM
 
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Since reading your articles I have significantly improved my putting. I am making more birdies and par putts than ever. I am consistently shooting 74-76 with at least 4 birdies per round (which I never made prior to working on my putting).

I have a few questions for you. I have been using the eye line system which has been a blessing for alignment and also the Pelz tutor, putting clips, and truth board.

I have spent several hours on the putting green hitting putts with the Pelz tutor and consistently hit the outside ball with the narrowest setting (I don't hit the marbles with the pro and regular settings). I have noticed that at the completion of my backswing the putterhead seem to drop inside slightly and I don't know how to correct this.

Without the training aids the ball goes in the hole more times than not ,however, the ball has a minimal hook spin to it which I must be compensating for. After several hours of practice, changing grip, stance, stroke, etc., I don't know how to correct this. Any suggestions?


 
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Hands Too Far Out?

July 31 2003, 4:35 PM 

I'm not sure, but it sounds like your hands may be starting a little too far out away from your thighs, and when you shift direction from back to forward at the top of the backstroke, there is a slight relaxation of your upper arms when the downstroke begins. This relaxation allows the putterhead to "sink" back towards your feet a little. If this is indeed the problem, the fix is fairly straightforward and perhaps even a bit important.

The fix, essentially, is to pre-set your arms and manage the backstroke so this slight "sink" is not available, biomechanically. This requires that you truly hang the hands naturally and fully at setup and don't grip the putter higher than the hands are hanging; on the backstroke, don't use the hands to start the putter back or otherwise allow the putter's sweetspot to wander away from your feet across the line of the putt. Any of these will generate a putterhead at the top of the backstroke that wants to "sink" if the arms relax for the downstroke. All of this is another way of saying: use only the shoulderframe as a unit to move the "triangle" of arms and putter and move the shoulderframe in a plane of motion that is parallel to or coincident with the line of the putt.

In military sharpshooting training and in target competition shooting, there is an explicit point in the setting of the rifle in aiming to relax into the natural baseline position of the rifle. That is, the rifle rests in a proper position with respect to the body, and is not "held" in a position with tension. The same principle applies in putting during the setup: if the hands are too far away from the thighs and not hanging naturally in a relaxed fashion, or if the grip is higher on the handle than the hands naturally hang, the setup of the putter in the body has not yet settled to its natural state. Part of this is the repeating postures of stance position and distance from the ball and the cant of the shoulders forward and downward at address, but it is mostly hand position. You need to feel that once the stroke starts back, it can only go above the putt's line to the top of the backstroke, and then can only fall forward above the same line coming back. It takes a little experimentation to see what I'm talking about here, but this pre-setting of the hands seems pretty important to a consistent straight stroke.

Another way to view this is to aim the putterface behind the ball and make sure the sole is flat to the surface. Then, bring your body to the putter and assume the address setup positions so that the putterface orientation remains the same. Almost all golfers setup the feet etc. and THEN aim the face, and this strikes me as backwards. First aim the face, and then bring the body to the properly soled putter and hang the arms and hands before taking up the grip. This will usually get rid of the "out there" biomechanics that allow the "sink" at the top of the backstroke, but if not, use the sharpshooting training tip and see if you can't get the stroke working without any "sink" at the beginning of the downstroke.

Let me know if this is what's happening or how the above works for you.

Cheers!

Geoff Mangum
Putting Theorist and Instructor
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Sean

68.101.161.57

Bought new putter which fixed problem

August 3 2003, 3:27 PM 

I checked my hand position which was directly under my shoulders. I went to Golfmart and tried 50 putters including my own. I noticed on my backswing that the Odyssey DFX putter immediately dropped to the inside each time. This also happened with a few other putters I tried. I picked up a Fischer putter and noticed that the putter head stayed square throughout my stroke.
I went to the putting green and putted with the Fischer putter and Pelz tutor. I was amazed that I wasn't hitting the outside ball on the Pelz tutor like my old putter. This new putter head seems a little more stable and is slightly more upright.
I actually made 12 out of 13 putts at ten feet!!!!! (of course I missed the last one).

Cheers!

 
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172.157.103.81

Wonder Why

August 3 2003, 9:40 PM 

Dear Sean,

I wonder why the Odyssey DFX sinks inside but the Fisher putter does not. Is the Fisher putter center shafted of face balanced or more upright than the DFX?

Cheers!

Geoff Mangum
Putting Theorist and Instructor'
PuttingZone.com
http://puttingzone.com
Golf's most advanced and comprehensive putting instruction.

 
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Re: Wonder Why

August 5 2003, 1:43 AM 

Both putters are tipped 45 degrees. I am not sure why the DFX seemed to dip to the inside. It is a bit flatter than the Fisher putter. I spent countless hours trying to hit the DFX thru the Pelz tutor without success (my back was killing me). I also have the on-line putting system which showed that the DFX would come way inside the line. Now with the Fisher, I can hit several successive putts thru the marbles without hitting the outside ball. I am not sure what the difference is but I can't believe how well this new putter performs. Maybe it is the putter head swingweight and possibly hand position.

Cheers,

Sean P Pinnell MD

 
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