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February 4 2004 at 9:44 AM
 
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Hi Geoff

I would appreciate your input into the advantages/disadvantages of a straight putter shaft versus a putter shaft that is either offset or has some form of plumber's bend in it. Which putter shaft design is better suited to a shoulder stroke or does it not make any difference?

Kind regards

Nev
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172.210.198.29

Hoseling is a Hot Topic

February 11 2004, 9:29 AM 

Dear Neville,

Hoseling, or the shape and location and manner of connecting the shaft to the putter head, is currently a hot topic for study among putter designers. Apparently, the location of the hosel matters substantially to the way the putter swings and performs. My guess is that at the least an attachment of the shaft that is on line with the putter's center of gravity during the stroke is where all this is going to end up, and probably not too far in front or behind the putter head's COG.

That said, there is the issue of how the hoseling influences the visual appearance of the putter at address and in motion and whether this positively or adversely affects the golfer's aiming the putter and making the stroke. Fo my money, I like a shaft that heads straight into the head on its necessary angle (at least 10 degrees required by the rules) without any twists or turns in it. Visually, that is, this sort of hoseling lets me see the sweets spot of the putter and does not obscure or even detract from the visual appearance of the sweet spot and the top edge of the putter face. Also, visually, I like the farthest edge of the shaft where it enters the putter head to be right at or next to the sweet spot, rather than set back some distance to the heel. I like the visual and physical sense of moving and seeing moved that specific spot of a balanced putter head. otherwise, your visual attention with a heel-shafted putter tends to get divided at odd times between the sweet spot and the hosel. The sense of moving the putter is more of a sense of where a laser shining straight out of the bottom of the shaft down onto the ground would point, and not so much where the sweet spot is located during its movement thru the air. So I like the two (shaft entry and sweet spot) to be close both visually and physically.

Gooseneck hosels are designed to locate the hands ahead of the putter face at address and impact. I don't care for this, as I like the bottom of the stroke to be right in the middle of my body, since this gives better cues for repetition and consistency. I also don't really subscribe to most of the lore about "true roll" requiring a hands-ahead or descending blow, which this hoseling encourages.

There are two other somewhat weird styles of hoseling; backwards and rearwards. Backwards is hoseling on the toe-end of the putter head and rearward is hoseling into the rear of the putter head, both with the sort of plumber bends you mention. These putters can work nicely, but I find them visually away from the direction of simplicity. I'm sort of waiting on the physics guys to tell me about how goosenecks, backwards, and rearwards hoseling affects the swing and balance and roll-imparting effects of a putter.

But like I say, my money is on center-shafted, straight in, near the putter head COG, and in a head where there is not much distance from shaft entry to the putter face. just "Plain-Jane" with decent physics.

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Geoff Mangum
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LT

80.47.100.87

this seems to fit your description

July 15 2007, 10:04 AM 

http://yesgolf.com/store/models.php?model=620

what do you think of this putter?

 
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75.177.5.154

Nice Yes Putter

July 15 2007, 10:25 AM 

I like this "Carolyne" configuration of the shaft-hosel-head. The America Putter by Chuck Todd that I have used as afavorite for years is just like this.



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David Orr

24.163.80.12

Re: Nice Yes Putter

July 16 2007, 4:10 PM 

Geoff...

As you know we are currently running data collection on hosel design...offset and hosel design do not mean the same thing( offset is the measurement/ hosel design is the configuration)...You could have a plumber's neck with 3/8 offset and an "S" curved hoselwith 3/8 offset and performance for aim, touch, and stoke will be different..How do I know this?...Only what the data reveals...Of which I will be glad to share with Geoff..once the data is "statistically significant" to prove true...Our data has revealed that not everyone can use a straight in hosel with minimal to no offset...BUT if you think it's best (yes simlple is usually better, but not in every case)..I would agree then use what you think is best..I use what I know is best for me based on data!!!

I look forward to doing many studies with Geoff in the future...True/Roll versus Skid...and possibly a "Gaze Study"

 
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68.186.239.146

My "new" center shafted putter

July 18 2007, 12:09 PM 

Well, it's not exactly "new" but "new" for me. I have two other putters, each with different hosel styles. One is an "s" bend shafted mallet putter, the other a plumber's neck blade type. I wanted to try a straight, center shafted mallet type putter. I found one on ebay for 20 bucks that was in line with what I wanted to experiment with to see what differences, if any, I would experience in a center straight shafted putter (and not break the "bank" at the same time --BTW, a Maltby design)

I am very excited to report that my initial results with the "new" center shafted putter are very gratifying to say the least. I rushed out to play a round with the new putter and on my very first outing, my putting results were 10 strokes better than what I was accustomed to using with the other two putters. My "line" is straighter and "truer" and most "misses" were much closer. I just have to practice a bit more with my "feel" and distance control.

My initial impressions are that I am able to better visualize where the sweet spot is and as a result impart a more accurate stroke than what I was doing before. Of course, more practice and putting is needed, but I am thus far excited with my early results.

So, I would say that my observations pretty much agree with your comments on center shafted straight shaft designs.

Thanks!

TonyW


 
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