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Padraig's new putter shaft

May 4 2007 at 5:51 PM
Evan 
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Geoff,

Could you help us identify the maker of Padraig Harrington's new putter shaft described below. I saw it today in the telecast and then read the article linked below and couldn't find any info. He's a great putter, as you know, and the weight sounds and looks as if it may be similar to Balance Certified...(#9 in my current gamer). Thanks in advance for you help.

Evan

Greensboro


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6618665.stm


Harrington admitted he was not impressed with his all-round game but was happy with how well his new putter performed.

He used it just 24 times, making four of the six putts he faced in the 10-to-20-foot range.

"I didn't really hit the ball that well, or really have that much control, so it was definitely a round of good putting," said Harrington.

"I ended up using a new putter shaft this week, something that's quite revolutionary, and it worked wonders.

"It has two lead weights right at the top and it changes the dynamics of the putter


 
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75.177.5.154

UST Putter Shaft with Balance-Certified Technology

May 4 2007, 8:37 PM 

Sure, Evan.

This website explains the new UST Putter Shafts with Balance-Certified Technology:

"UST Hopes New Putter Shaft Gives Golfers Good Vibrations
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"Frequency Filtered" Putter Shaft Designed to Improve Feel, Feedback on Putts

Golfers don't pay much attention to the shafts in their putters. The length is just about the only attribute of putter shafts that most of us ever concern ourselves with. And with good reason. Compared to the importance of the shaft is full-swing clubs, the importance of the specific shaft used in putters is (aside from its length and weight) miniscule.

Only golfers with the most refined sense of "feel" might be able to interpret, for example, a putter shaft that bends a little more than they like on a long putt; or be able to learn from the vibrations caused by slightly off-center strikes.

But shaft-maker United Sports Technologies (UST) is hoping that its new putter shaft gives more golfers good vibrations.

The UST Frequency Filtered putter shaft is a multi-material shaft, co-developed with Balance Certified Golf, whose purpose is to filter out the "static" of off-center strikes and allow only those vibrations that provide positive feedback to travel up the shaft to the golfer's hands.

"The Frequency Filtered putter shaft provides a scientifically measurable increase in player sensitivity during putting, and the biggest benefits are easily seen in putting distance and directional control," said Shawn Mullin, PGA Tour manager for UST.

The Frequency Filtered putter shaft has been undergoing testing on the PGA Tour for a while (it was used in winning the Michelin Championship in Las Vegas), but is now available to the rest of us through golf shops, component companies and custom clubmakers.

Ust ReviewsFrequency Filtered .370" Putter rated 5.0 / 5 by 1 customerreviews.golfsmith.com

The UST Frequency Filtered putter shaft carries an MSRP of $85.

The Frequency Filtered putter shaft features a graphite grip end and a steel tip end. In between is where the Frequency Filter technology is employed. The Frequency Filter device is designed to allow only certain vibration frequencies to pass through to the player's hands, blocking out other frequency ranges.

Vibrations are created when the putter face strikes the ball, and those vibrations differ in characteristics depending on where on the clubface the ball is struck, according to Skip Pankewich, product developer for UST. Pankewich explained that many vibrations are like static noise on a stereo, but some vibrations at selected frequencies are helpful in providing feedback on how the ball was struck.

By filtering out the static noise vibrations, the Frequency Filtered putter shaft permits only those vibrations that provide positive feedback to travel up the shaft, so players can - according to UST - learn to hit more putts on the sweet spot, thus gaining putting distance and directional control.

Will it work? Reaction has been positive from Tour players who've tried the shaft. It seems that golfers who already have that refined sense of feel would benefit from a shaft such as this. The rest of us, however, might not be as able to capitalize, because, first, you must be able to appreciate the "feel," and second, you must be able to interpret that "feel" correctly. Recreational golfers aren't exactly known for their "feel.""

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The UST website has this:

"Frequency Filtered Putter Shaft

The first true putter shaft technology in more than 70 years.

The new Frequency Filtered™ putter shaft amplifies touch and feel. And if you like to feel every putt, then you are about to feel real good. This radically new putter shaft design improves the ability of all players to perceive or feel where ball impact occurs on the face. This instantaneous feedback results in improved putting ability since the player learns to consistently stroke more putts on the sweet spot of the putter. Feel becomes clearer and so does the confidence to make solid contact to sink more putts.

Filtering Diffuser in the mid-section filters out higher, unwanted vibrations. Therefore, only the true feeling of the ball impacting the putter face is released to the hands.

Interlinked Carbon fiber in the butt-section creates a tremendous amount of hoop strength for a consistently solid feel in the hands.

Steel tip-section makes the shaft a perfect fit for the hottest putter heads on the market.

Frequency Filtered putter shafts are available in 7 tip-bend configurations."

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Here's a little more info from a GolfGear Review article.

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Since Harrington works with harold Swash, the inventor of Yes! putter, and Balance-Certified Golf has long worked with backweighting Yes! putters, and now Balance-Certified is partnering with UST for the shaft-vibration technology, it stands to reason that Harrington's putter has BCG backweights working in tandem with the shaft vibration filter. This is the casae, for example, with Christina Kim on the LPGA Tour.

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Harrington had this to say:

"Harrington wasn't sure what to make of his round.

"I've been well in control, knowing what's happening," he said. "Today wouldn't have been one of those rounds, I've got to say. It would be nice getting everything going together, holing putts and playing well."

The putting held him together in the first round at Quail Hollow.

Starting on the back nine, he missed the 11th green long and saved par with a 10-foot putt, then holed an 18-foot par putt after putting his approach into the bunker on No. 12. Facing one of the most dangerous shots on the course, however, he started making things easier.

From the right rough on the 351-yard 14th, with the green running away toward the lake, his sand wedge rolled to a foot for his first birdie. He went over the green on the par-5 15th and chipped to 3 feet, then made it three straight birdies with a 15-foot putt.

The Irishman picked up his next batch of birdies over a four-hole stretch on the front nine, hitting inside 4 feet on the second and third holes, and making a 25-footer for birdie on the fifth.

He had no bogeys on his card, and really no explanation for such a fine start.

"My focus wasn't as sharp as it could have been," he said. "You obviously need to take breaks, but definitely I was not as good mentally as I would have left off three weeks ago."

He also said:

"I didn't really hit the ball that well or have that much control, so it was definitely a round of good putting," Harrington said.

"I just wasn't as good and as sharp as I was maybe three weeks ago, before I took the break, but obviously you need to take breaks."

It wasn't until Harrington described his birdies that he realized that perhaps he hit more good shots than he initially thought.

"The first five birdies, they were all stone dead," he said. "I did hit a few shots close."

But the key to his round nonetheless was his putter, which he used to save par on several occasions after errant approach shots.

"I ended up using a new putter shaft this week, something that's quite revolutionary, and it worked wonders," he said."

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Here are Harrington's putting stats for the past two days at the Wachovia:

TOTAL PUTTS---24-----30------27.0---T5
PUTTS PER GIR--1.500---1.444---1.476--1

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There is only a little news on Harrington's website. The "what's in the bag" page is way out of date and lists a "Wilson Staff Kc4 putter with interchangable plates" with a date of January 2004. Harrington typically uses an Odyssey two-ball putter. Last fall he was still using this putter: Odyssey Two-ball blade. "This week, I'll use a one degree loft because the putting surfaces greens at The K Club will be smooth but these greens are exceptional and that's not always the case. Depending on the time of year, I'd often use a three degree loft on poa annua greens."

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This PGA Tour video clip shows the putter Harrington is using (2nd round) -- an Odyssey two-ball blade.

Cheers!

Geoff Mangum
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172.212.97.61

Re: UST Putter Shaft with Balance-Certified Technology

May 7 2007, 6:05 PM 

Evan,

The shaft that Padraig is using is not the UST shaft, nor is the shaftexactly trying to achieve what the balance certified kit aims to do.

Its new design that has that has a weighted bulbous element to the shaft just below the grip. This apparantly increases the size of the sweetspot, while the weighting asnd balance of the putter is theorised as helping promote more of pendulum motion. The weight is below the hands whereas the wieght with the counterbalance is above the hands

 
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75.177.5.154

Then it Must be Timothy Winey's Putter Technology

May 7 2007, 6:41 PM 

Dear kipling,

I stand corrected, thanks. Do I smell the influence of Timothy Winey and his Torpedo putter design here? I had heard that Padraig wanted to use it last Novemeber. What credit is due Timothy here?



Winey at 2005 PGAMerchandise Show.

Timothy's putter shaft technology:



By the way, the UST putter shaft was used by the Champions tour FedEx Kinko's Classic:

UST’s Frequency Filtered™ Putter Shaft Delivers at FedEx Kinko’s

FORT WORTH, Texas — After battling wrist problems since 2005, this week’s Champions Tour winner trusted a feel-enhancing putter shaft by UST (United Sports Technologies®) — one of the world’s leading innovators in graphite shaft design — to score a final-round 68 and to win the FedEx Kinko’s Classic in Lakeway, Texas.

The victory was the champion’s first Champions Tour victory, and UST’s innovative Frequency Filtered™ putter shaft helped deliver 16 birdies to set a new FedEx Kinko’s Classic record of 15-under par.

“Whether on the Champions, PGA or other world tours, the Frequency Filtered putter shaft continues to exceed our expectations for the new technology and deliver victories,” says Skip Pankewich, product developer for UST. “The Frequency Filtered putter shaft is a radical design that amplifies touch and feel and improves a player’s ability to perceive or feel where ball impact occurs on the face. This immediate feedback helps players to stroke more putts on the sweet spot of the putter.”

The first true putter shaft technology in more than 70 years, the Frequency Filtered putter shaft features a steel tip section and a butt section of woven graphite called Interlinked Carbon. Using the same 0/90-degree graphite fiber weave used in UST’s renowned IROD Hybrid shaft, the Frequency Filtered putter shaft provides hoop strength and stiffness that significantly reduces torque for solid feel, control and confidence.

However, Pankewich explains that the real secret to the Frequency Filtered Putter shaft is the actual ‘Frequency Filter’ device strategically integrated between the steel and graphite sections. The Frequency Filter is specifically designed to permit only those impact vibrations that provide positive feedback so players can learn to hit more putts on the sweet spot, thus gaining putting distance and directional control.

UST continues to lead in the graphite shaft industry with innovative technology, and that’s why world-renown pros such as Jim Furyk, Davis Love III and Rod Pampling — among many others — put their trust in UST high-performance shafts.

For more information on UST or UST products, contact UST Sales and Public Relations Manager Randy Stuart at 281.250.8465 or visit www.ustgolfshaft.com.



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Geoff Mangum
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EVAN

65.196.221.138

Thanks for the correction

May 8 2007, 6:28 PM 

Kipling and Geoff..

Thanks for your thoughts...I will keep my eyes peeled, and we know if it's that good we'll see more of it!

Thanks!

Evan

 
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80.7.150.66

Padraigs putter

May 9 2007, 3:15 PM 

Yes this putter shaft is the one developed by Tim Whiney and Dr Paul Hurrion
at Quintic.

I had been at Pauls putting Lab in Coventry, UK 2 days before
the Wachovia Championship. I had a couple of practice shots and
was amazed at how straight the shots went.

Anyway, I'm developing the website for the new product and
it will be available with in the next week.

I'll let you guys know here as soon as it's ready

Gavin Allinson
www.SportsMarketingStrategy.com

 
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Evan

192.28.2.52

Keep us posted

May 10 2007, 11:46 AM 

You obviously have a captive audience here, so please keep us posted!

Thanks,

Evan Gilbert

 
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75.177.5.154

Picture of Padraig Harrington and Timothy Winey's Putter

May 10 2007, 10:26 PM 

Here is a recent picture showing the putter shaft:



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dean1234

76.184.140.194

Padraig's Putter Shaft

May 11 2007, 1:03 AM 

what do the brass weights situated close to the grip do?

 
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80.7.150.66

TorpedoGolf.com is now live

May 11 2007, 10:48 AM 

Hi Evan and Co,

The torpedo golf site is now live.

We've done it in a blog format to allow interactivity with
the golf community.

We'll be adding a lot of content over the coming weeks,
you can either subscribe by rss or your email to be kept informed

best regards


Gavin

 
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75.177.5.154

Function of Weights on Shaft

May 11 2007, 8:33 PM 

Dear Dean,

The website, torpedogolf.com, lists some functional claims.

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Recent Elaboration on Torpedo Shaft

June 1 2007, 7:28 AM 

This from GolfMagic.com:

Padraig's Torpedo putter
By Bob Warters

Harrington's torpedo putter shaft

Padraig Harrington has been testing a new brass-weighted Torpedo shaft to his putter, which proved hugely successful in his capture of the Irish Open title at Adare Manor and could soon be available for club golfers.



A collaboration between Harrington, Torpedo Golf and bio-mechanics specialist Dr Paul Hurrion at the Quintic Consultancy, the unusual shaft, which has a lozenge-shaped brass mass screwed to the shaft just below the grip, made its debut in the PGA Tour 2007 Wachovia Championship, where Harrington took the first round lead with just 24 putts.

The material is positioned so that it alters the putter's centre of gravity to increase the sweet spot on the putter face, but differs from conventional wisdom by freeing the face from adjustment. Described by the inventor Tim Winey as a 'floating fulcrum', it virtually tricks the golfer's muscular system into improving the swing path while delivering better distance control.

The feel of the weight encourages the hands to be much more passive during the stroke, says Harrington. The sensation is having to swing the grip, allowing the putter to 'do the work' while reducing over-active hands during the putting stroke - a tendency when under pressure.

“The torpedo was born out of years of bio-mechanics research and coaching into the putting stroke, " says Dr Hurrion. "Trying to keep the face square at impact is vital for successful putting.”

“The key to Torpedo is the rhythm that it helps create during the stroke. We work very hard on this with the players, along with pace control, ball roll and quality of strike. This applies to short, medium and long putts, it helps eliminate wrist action during the putt,” Says Dr Hurrion who believes it will redefine putting.

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Reduced hand action? Allowing the putter to do the work? Passive hands? Rhythm? What's NEW about any of this? There isn't any "redefining putting" going on here, folks. It's simply that the biomechanics experts are learning more about what is best for a putting stroke, and it took Timothy Winey's alteration of standard putters to reveal this. With or without the Torpedo, though, the golfer needs to learn HOW to use passive hands and HOW to let the putter do the work by learning what TIMING (tempo, rhythm) has to do with forces in the stroke, with so-called "feel", and with the way the golfer thinks about good and bad movement. Take a lesson.

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TEMPO

June 1 2007, 5:52 PM 

Geoff,

Can you briefly describe what you have observed with regards to quality of the strike (i.e maintaining a square face through impact) in relation to tempo.

1) For example, fast tempo strokes seem to have a smaller window of squareness in the 6" after contact with the ball.

2) More specifically, a tempo that includes quick acceleration near the point of ball contact rather than a smooth acceleration from top of backstroke to impact results in a smaller window of squareness in the 6" after contact with the ball.

Thanks
David

 
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80.7.150.66

improving feel using the torpedo shaft

June 3 2007, 8:14 PM 

Hi Geoff

Having the weight closer to the hands requires
the golfer to have to use more force, a longer swing more power
however you want to define it to hit longer putts.

Because you are required to use more force you can better control distance.

Putting without a torpedo shaft is like trying to use
a 3 iron for a 90 yard shot very difficult to judge the distance.


Also hi speed photographic analysis shows
that the ball starts rolling instantaneously.

Gavin Allinson
www.TorpedoGolf.com

 
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sammy

65.95.169.63

Scepticism

June 4 2007, 10:56 AM 

Placing a brass weight near the putter grip does not transform the putter into a magical tool that will suddenly improve your putting.

Adding weight near the putter grip will raise the balance point and give the sensation of heaviness as the putter is stroked. This can be accomplished with weight in the shaft under the handle too. No magic here, because it's all about "inertia".

As for "increasing the sweet spot", that's a bunch of hokum. The putter sweet spot or center of percussion is a function of the distribution of mass within the putter. By adding weight on the shaft, this shifts the center of percussion up towards that additional weight and away from the putter head where it is needed.

Of course gullible golfers will believe anything based on a professional golfer's performance .. and think they can buy that performance with some gadget or gizmo.

The entire golf equipment industry is based on satisfying the neurotic needs and delusions of the incompetent golfer .. which represents 95% of all golfers.


    
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80.7.150.66

the marketing of science

June 4 2007, 4:23 PM 

Dear Sir:


I could not agree more with your analysis of the golf industry as "mostly marketing hype." Contrary to what you might think, we here at Torpedo Golf are not interested in "The science of marketing;"

We are interested in "The marketing of science!" In a very carefully controlled study using putting robots, we showed a dramatically enlarged sweet spot as well as a significant reduction in the skid length of putts 20%.

Your knowledge of physics, kinematics and the neuromuscular system could not be more wanting.
The good news for us is that once golfers hit the Torpedo, there is no turning back, not even for top professionals.

Sincerely,

Timothy Winey

 
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sammy

65.95.184.58

Re: the marketing of science

June 5 2007, 12:16 AM 

Fair enough Mr. Winey .... if you dispute my knowledge of physics, kinemantics and the neuromuscular system, perhaps you could clarify the following for me:

1. The branch of physics that I was refering to was "kinetics" when I was explaining the relationship between the distribution of mass in the putter and the location of the center of percussion (called the 'sweet spot in the vernacular). Adding weight to the shaft will draw the center of percussion closer to the shaft and higher up towards the added mass.

On your website you claim that by raising the center of gravity (mass) of the putter that you alter the 'sweet spot', and you state:

"The brass torpedo is positioned so that it alters the putter's centre of gravity to increase the sweet spot on the putter face .."

Can you explain in kinetic terms how this is achieved for a putter? How does the addition of that particular mass "increase" the sweet spot? Can you also define what you mean by 'sweet spot' so there is no misunderstanding what that means to you?

2. What do you attribute the reduction of the skid length by 20%? What is the kinetic process that would cause this to happen?

3.Perhaps you could also provide the web page where your pending patent is described, so that we can better appreciate the product you are promoting.

4. Concerning the neuromuscular aspect of using your product, Geoff Mangum may be better qualified than I to evaluate your claims. My questions are strictly "kinetic".


If you are to depend on a scientific reason for your claims you must be prepared to share that scientific knowledge with us. The "marketing of science" also requires the "sharing of science" to determine the validity of your claims.

Thank you.

 
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sammy

65.95.138.192

the marketing of Torpedo

June 8 2007, 10:55 PM 

You proclaim:

"The good news for us is that once golfers hit the Torpedo, there is no turning back, not even for top professionals.

Sincerely, Timothy Winey"


What do you mean by "no turning back"?

Do you claim that the Torpedo weighted putter shaft is good for all styles of putter heads, and if so do the major manufacterers of putters accept your claim?

Science requires openess and truthfulness ... and I trust you will agree to that standard.

 
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westerngolf

24.4.119.180

Re: the marketing of Torpedo

June 14 2007, 12:52 AM 

Any idea how much that Torpedo weighs?

 
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sammy

65.95.169.51

Re: the marketing of Torpedo

June 17 2007, 1:22 PM 

My guess is between 80 and 100 grams if it only surrounds the putter shaft like a collar.

It would be helpful if Winey responded to your and my questions in a timely fashion ... oh well ....

 
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sammy

65.95.138.14

Lead torpedo weighting

June 28 2007, 5:03 PM 

I have a large roll of 3/4 inch lead tape so I wrapped it around my putter shaft at the same location as the "torpedo". All it did was create a resistance to my putting stroke and destroyed the balance between the backstroke and forward stroke. It hindered Geoff's "gravity-assisted" forward stroke and reduced feel of the putter head.

Anybody else have any experience with such shaft weighting?

 
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Anonymous

64.201.174.49

Re: Lead torpedo weighting

July 25 2007, 2:43 PM 

I see Padraig was not using the torpedo shaft during the British Open...hmmm

 
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65.81.66.134

Padraig's Putter at the Open

July 26 2007, 5:49 AM 

Dear Anonymous,

Thereby hangs a tale. At the British Open, Padraig Harrington was using a substitute technology to the Torpedo also developed by Timothy Winey. Padraig won the Irish Open with the Torpedo technology and he and Paul Hurrion of Quintic Biomechanics gave credit where credit is due. Long story short: the Torpedo moves the mass of the putter closer to the hands and in towards the body, and thereby reduces the arcing around the body of the stroke that causes the vast majority of golfers to use a "pull stroke" most of the time; Padraig apparently learned this and also used a secondary approach developed by Winey whereby mass is added in another location on the putter, again moving the mass closer to the body and reducing the "pull" tendency; Padraig tried getting along without the Torpedo while working out a deal with Winey, but started pulling putts again; he then used Winey's second technical development and his pulls disappeared, so he used that in the Open.

This second development is still in the patent-protecting phase, and its details are not currently available. Padraig and Winey are still discussing their arrangement about Padrai's using Winey's technology.

Padraig Harrington and Paul Hurrion showing off Winey's Torpedo technology after winning the Irish Open this year:



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