If you think you are going to flunk the CCCT with or without the clomid, maybe you should say you can't tolerate clomid and do the EFORT Test instead. You basically take 300ui of fsh for 2-3 days(I forget) and they check your follicles, fsh and E2 to look for improvement in follicles and E2 between days 3-4. If you pass, then that counts for insurance purposes, at least with HPHC. I will be doing this next cycle(I really can't tolerate clomid, my vision got messed up) but have to pay for the meds and Iui because I have a failed CCCT. If I pass then I get 6 cycles. For you, at least you will get the meds paid. You could self pay for the iui or a natural cycle.

Just a thought.

This is such craziness.

The insurance woman--not terribly nice, kinda brusque was ADAMANT that I had to take the CCCT to do IUI.

I don't!!!!!

BUT I took the day 2 and got 14.7!!!! YIKES!!!

Estradiol is 21 but FSH was 14.7. It was 6 something on day 3 last month.

I also took a day 1 test (and wasted my money!!!) and it was 11.1.

So that is good news. I will have to do a TON of IUIs to get to IVF stage and by the time I ever get to that point I will probably flunk anyway.

I'll just gonzo on acupuncture and hope for the best. Maybe I'll get pg.

I suspect my real problems also going to be mcs. That's the drag here. A BFP is only half the battle.

But anyway....The IUIs will take a long time.

When I get to the CCCT stage I'll revisit your idea. But my plan is to switch insurances again and go to Israel or something for further treatment.

The IUI thing is weird. MY hphc thing seems to indicte I don't need a ccct to do it and that it isn't art. My monitoring is covered now but if I pay for stims then I am not covered for monitoring and have to pay for a IUI.

Why do you think they will make you do a ton of IUIs? HPHC doesn't say that for my insurance however ivf requires pre-approval(or whatever the term is).


If you stim well keep my idea in mind. At least you can get a stimmed cycle covered.

Interesting. Apparently, I get the shots and the IUI A-OK.

Now watch this isn't true and they'll bill me. That would be JUST MY LUCK.

I thought we had to do four cycles of IUI before doing IVF.

If not, criminy I will be a basket case before my next CCCT. Gawd, I dread that. I almost want to go to spain and pay the $10,000 or whatever for donor eggs just to avoid it.

Cannot deal!!!

I guess I will try your plan. The horrible thing is that I keep being borderline. 14.7!!!! WHY????? The stress will kill me.

I wonder why my FSH was so low before? I was jogging. I wasn't eating any sugar, etc. Was that it? Or was it that crazy acupuncturist I saw who did the cupping. But he lives in another state. Was it the Chinese herbs and now they are wearing off???????

I guess I'll never know.


Keep your fingers crossed this IUI works out and I get pg!!!

Someone said IUIs never work for us. But why would they not work if natural cycles work? I mean, we do get pg. on natural cycles so why not IUI?

I am on the HPHC hmo. I am not sure why I have to pay for this efort test. I do have a failed ccct but it wasn't sent to hphc. I think the re wants me to give it a shot with me paying so it doesn't get reported if I fail.


I believe deep into these annoying conversations with HPHC benefits dept they said something like, "Oh yeah, you won't get stims covered if you do iui. It would have to be on a natural cycle. Then the res office called to confirm I can't get monitoring covered if I use stims, even if I pay.

I agree with you that IUIs don't seem to do much for many of us. It is either Natural or IVF. I have no idea why iui isn't better than natural. The stupid thing about it is I am about to pay 5K for an iui which will most likely be a bust since I have to follow the efort protocol.

You know, the reason why I get all up in arms about the CCCT? It's humiliating for some reason to fail. It's very strange. It has a bad psychological effect on me. It's like I'm being told (a) I'm defective and (b) I can't have a baby.

Is that it? I don't know why but it's the WORST thing about this process. THE WORST THING. To me, these tests are like TORTURE. The way I was treated by the insurance people, by the nurses. Did I ever tell you. They sent me a letter approving me that was a mistake. THEIR mistake. When I called back to find out about it THEY WERE SO AWFUL TO ME. They treated me like A CRIMINAL.

THEY SENT ME THE LETTER. SHEEESH. But that was Tufts, actually. A pox on them, I say!!! A pox!!!

I wanted to do all the IVF I was allowed on Tufts just for revenge. I almost just stayed with Tufts just do to a zillion IVF cycles so I could cost them thousands. Then I would...I don't know...go to the doctor every day for the next year???? Seriously, I HATE THEM. I mean, whatever deny me coverage. But don't be total BASTARDS about it!

It's a beyotch. I guess I am just lucky not to have the HP HMO.

But who knows? Maybe there's just no point to this IUI thing and I should have just stuck with my chinese meds plan.

I wonder why IUIs don't work if IVF and BDing works? That makes NO sense to me.

Does anyone here have a theory I wonder?

Anyway, I am not a slave to them because I will do Chinese medicine (which is expensive) and then donor eggs in Argentina.

Never have I felt the way I felt from this...I just feel so stomped on. I never talked about the evil doc at MGH. This was before I knew ANYTHING about fertility. What a LIAR. He basically told me I had no chance of having a baby with an FSH of 12!!!! GEEZ. Or was my FSH 10 then? I don't know. And it was almost like he enjoyed just destroying me. Then when I got pregnant that cycle and asked if there was any help or support or anything they were like--no, sorry we can't deal with you now, you are pregnant. No medical treatment available for me because it was a natural cycle. Or even advice? They wouldn't even talk to me on the phone. They were like 'you are pregnant. Don't call us ever again.'

I can't believe how we get treated in this situation. I can't even explain it. When this is over, I am going to write a letter to every caregiver telling them how they screwed me.