no I don't
|August 10 2012, 1:17 PM |
I don't think they can wipe their own butts
butt according to today's election polls O has 52% of the vote
|August 10 2012, 2:27 PM |
while your Rep candidate has only 45%. So there are more of us wh0o believe healthcare is on the right track.
The facts aren't on your side.
|August 10 2012, 3:21 PM |
Believe what you want, but nationalizing healthcare hasn't worked very well anywhere it's been tried. Besides, it's going to cost us trillions and it certainly won't bend the cost curve down, despite Obama's claims to the contrary,
Serious thoughts and questions
|August 10 2012, 3:51 PM |
We waste trillions of dollars in other countries and in wasteful spending, why not use that money to help our own people?
In full disclosure I am a Democrat and I'm not attacking anybody, I don't believe in free rides as I know many people abuse the system, I believe if you are healthy and physically capable you can earn a living, even if it's just working at Walmart or waiting tables, I don't think anyone should get free rides in life. That being said there are honest people that work hard and are barely able to live week to week, if they are making an honest effort would it be wrong for them to get some assistance be it healthcare, education or some other method of support.
I came from a single parent household where my mother worked 80 hours a week to take care of my sister and I, my dad left and shacked up with another woman did not pay an once of support for the duration of our childhood, this was years ago when they didn't garnish wages or throw people in jail. My mom took my dad to court over 10 times and just got to the point where she gave up because she kept missing too much time from work. We lived on a shoe string budget and many times had to decide are we going to eat this week or have water/electric, I started bagging groceries at 14 to try to help but made barely made a dent budget wise.
So what about people in those situations that genuinely need help and cannot afford health insurance? The annual check ups and preventative care would cost less if people had insurance instead of waiting until there was a major health issue and looking at a 5 or 6 figure medical bill.
Why are Republicans so against healthcare assistance? Again not attacking but asking a valid question. No one wants to pay for it but who else can really pay for it? The government is the only entity able to do so. Doesn't religion teach us to help those in need? Now we live in a society of "I got mine" or "it's not coming out my pocket".
So again I ask, for the people that really need help (not freeloaders) should there not be some way to help those that need it?
we already have such a system in place with free clinics, emergency rooms
|August 10 2012, 4:32 PM |
and Medicaid. Why do we need another one?
As you pointed out in your first sentence...
|August 10 2012, 4:41 PM |
our government (all governments!) are extremely inefficient and wasteful. It's the nature of the beast. So why is that your preferred way to help the poor? What about charities? Personal giving? The government doesn't need to be the primary mechanism to help the poor.
And, btw, those greedy, money grubbing conservatives actually give more to charities, both in absolute dollars and as a percentage of income, than do liberals.
The majority of entitlement spending doesn't go to the poor. It goes to the middle class. Medicare spending is tilted heavily to the middle class.
Republicans aren't against health care assistance. We're not against helping those who really need it. We are, however, against government taking over health care. We think there are better ways to drive down health care costs, starting with tort reform, something Democrats are against. Could that be because lawyers are such an important liberal constituency and give so much money to the Democratic party?
your information comes from where
|August 10 2012, 5:13 PM |
'We waste trillions of dollars in other countries and in wasteful spending, why not use that money to help our own people?'
Well, since we spend about $3.5T per year, you must mean over a number of years. If not, then you are saying at least $2T (it's plural) of that $3.5T, or almost 60% of our budget is spent wastefully. The wast may be true, but not the foreign aid part. It sounds like the bull squeeze spouted by Democrat politicians. Sorry. I'd like to discuss real spending. And as another responder noted, how can this same government make health care better?
I have car insurance. I don't go out and wreck my car just to use it. I am required by law to have it, TO PROTECT THE INTERESTS OF OTHERS. With 'health insurance', most think it means I can go see the doctor for a $10 co-pay when I sneeze. My car insurance does not pay for tires, fuel, oil, or a car wash. We think health insurance must be comprehensive.
Almost every article I read from a doctor's perspective is that insurance filing adds costs to their operations, and they often eat some costs rather than fight with the insurance companies. Even worse with medicare/medicaid. Consumers can better decide if they really need that extra test, probably better than doctors. A recent article had a corporation sending all knee-replacement patients (I think, some procedure) to a single specialty hospital, including airfare and at least one family member on the trip, because the success rate AND costs were better for them than a random local hospital. Think about that for a minute.
It's not that conservatives (I vote republican, consider myself indy) oppose help for the poor, but we (at least me) would like to provide opportunities to get them out of being poor. Upping the SNAP payments and providing free health care seems to run counter to that idea, IMHO.
Re: Serious thoughts and questions
|August 11 2012, 6:28 AM |
"Why are Republicans so against healthcare assistance? Again not attacking but asking a valid question. No one wants to pay for it but who else can really pay for it? The government is the only entity able to do so. Doesn't religion teach us to help those in need? Now we live in a society of "I got mine" or "it's not coming out my pocket"."
The government is the only entity able to do so????????
Are you kidding me? Where in the wide, wide, wide, world of sports do think the government gets their money??? Wait a minute, under Obama and company they just print it.
One thing YOU need to understand and I WILL NOT point the finger at you alone; Liberals are 100% behind free healthcare and damn near free everything AS LONG AS THE MONEY DOES NOT COME OUT OF THEIR POCKET. The top wage earners in this country are already paying the bulk of the taxes that the Liberals take for granted day in and day out. If the system is not corrected soon so that everyone has a stake in the game then this country is doomed for cpmplete and total failure.
Does religion teach us to help those in need? Well, mine does and my family does help when we can and not at the point of a gun. This is called freedom. I can make that decision for myself and not to be FORCED to do so just because some Liberal said I HAVE to.
Do you really want a system where the government says someone else is entitled to a PORTION OF YOUR LIFE because of your level of income or whatever else they deem worthy of YOU?????????
I absolutely agree
|August 13 2012, 5:57 AM |
and I am a conservative. My father passed from cancer and was at the mercy ov the Gov't and the VA. Had things been done differently I truly believe he would be here today. Now I am not taking some of the blame from him as there were things he could have done but not having insurance and having to beg for help is not good. So yes, I do believe there is much room for improvement and we should take care of those that truly need help. Where we differ is that I don't believe that because the system needs work, it should NOT bring ALL of us under it's umbrella.
if that's the case
|August 13 2012, 5:51 AM |
then why isn't Obama running on it?
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