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Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 6:39 PM
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DE VENECIA OUSTED BY MOB RULE, GLORIA STYLE.

by Napanice (no login)

THE ONCE MIGHTY LEADER OF THE NOTORIOUS GANG OF GLORIA SUPPORTERS HAS FINALLY SUFFERED THE SAME FATE OF ONCE PRESIDENT JOSEPH ESTRADA. MILLIONS OF BRIBE MONEY WERE HANDED TO POLITICIANS WHO WERE WILLING TO SELL THEIR VOTE AT THE RIGHT PRICE AND AS PROVEN IN THE PAST, CORRUPTION DOES PRODUCE THE DESIRED RESULT.

NOW IT'S UP TO THE DEPOSED SPEAKER WHAT TO DO NEXT BECAUSE THE OPPOSITION IS REALLY ITCHING TO GET HIS COOPERATION IN BRINGING ABOUT THE DOWNFALL OF GLORIA ARROYO HERSELF.

NAP

The final tally effectively removes de Venecia as speaker following five terms.

Majority of congressmen voted in favor of a motion to declare Speaker Jose de Venecia's post as vacant in marathon proceedings that started Monday afternoon and ended shortly before 1 a.m. Tuesday.

A total of 174 lawmakers voted for the motion, 35 were against and 16 abstained.


Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 9:59 AM
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PGMA was outsted by mob rule?

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

I think you meant "De Venecia Ousted by Gloria Style Mob Rule." Which, of course, is false.

ESL Alert! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWR! TOEFL Alert!

Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 11:52 AM
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OK, I STAND CORRECTED ON THAT ONE.

by Napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 12:26 PM
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DE VENECIA OUSTED BY GLORIA STYLE MOB RULE.

by Napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 12:39 PM
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MAJORITY VOTE = MOB RULE?

by What Do You Think (no login)

Benign0 must have had you in mind when he said Filipinos Suck at Democracy.

Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 12:52 PM
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CROSSED WIRES AGAIN, WHO WAS OUSTED?

by Napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 1:57 PM
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"174 lawmakers voted for ...,35 were against and 16 abstained." MAJORITY VOTE.

by What Do You Think? (no login)

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Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 2:00 PM
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OH THAT'S RIGHT, THE NUMBERS CHANGED AND THE MOB VOTED. ALL LEGAL OF COURSE.

by Napanice (no login)



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PER NAPANICE,THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE FILIPINO PEOPLE ARE A MOB.

by Anonymous (no login)

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Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 2:08 PM
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Get used to this. If things don't go Dykeweassie's way, it's always out of whack.

by Dirty Sick Pig (no login)

When the truth is, it's Dykeweassie's mind that's out of whack.


Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 3:13 PM
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THANKS. I WAS WARNED.

by What Do You Think? (no login)

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Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 3:27 PM
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THEY COULDN'T EVEN STATE ONE LEGITIMATE CASE AGAINST JDV,

by Napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 3:55 PM
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Who says they need a case? Tanga!

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)



Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 1:02 PM
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WHY, WHAT DO YOU KNOW?

by napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 1:13 PM
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Congressional proceedings both legislative and administrative. Why do you ask?

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

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Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 3:51 PM
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WHAT'S THE BASIS FOR SUCH PROCEEDINGS?

by Napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 6:27 PM
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OH YEAH, THEY ALL WON IN THE ELECTIONS, "FAIR AND SQUARE".

by Napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 3:49 PM
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AND YOU CAN PROVE OTHERWISE?

by What Do You Think? (no login)

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Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 3:56 PM
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HELLO GARCI, HELLO GARCI!! NEED MORE PROOF?

by Napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 4:00 PM
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YOU CAN PROVE THAT THEY ALL DID THAT?

by What Do You Think? (no login)

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Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 4:01 PM
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YOU GONNA PLAY YOUR PROOF GAME AGAIN? WHERE'S THAT ROLLING BALL?

by Napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 4:04 PM
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MY PROOF GAME? IT WAS YOURS REMEMBER? YOU SOUND SO WORRIED ABOUT THAT ROLLING BALL!

by What Do You Think? (no login)

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Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 7:11 PM
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SO IT REALLY TURNS OUT THAT YOU ARE THE ONE WHO'S GOOD AT ACCUSATIONS WITHOUT PROOF!

by What Do You Think? (no login)

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Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 8:22 PM
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AND WHAT DID I SAY THAT NEEDS PROOF, QUOTE ME.

by Napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 8:45 PM
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YOU SEEM TO HAVE TOTALLY LOST YOUR MEMEORY. CAN YOU REALLY READ YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS?

by Anonymous (no login)

YOU SEEM TO HAVE TOTALLY LOST YOUR MEMEORY. CAN YOU REALLY READ YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS?
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Posted on Feb 2, 2008, 1:01 AM
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Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 8:47 PM
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IN OTHER WORDS, YOUR STUPID REPLY AND GAMES WERE EXPECTED.

by What Do You Think? (no login)

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Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 8:48 PM
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WHAT'S "THAT"? CAN YOU PROVE ALL "THAT"? MORE UNCIVILITY?

by napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 9:16 AM
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YES IT WAS CIVIL AND ENTERTAINING UNTIL YOU CAME IN.

by What Do You Think? (no login)

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Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 9:17 AM
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SO YOUR PROOF MAKES THEM GUILTY BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT?

by What Do You Think? (no login)

. I WONDER HOW YOU'LL ENJOY IT WHEN THE MEASURE YOU'VE GIVEN BECOMES THE MEASURE YOU RECEIVE.

Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 8:54 PM
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You can settle for "preponderance of evidence" and it will still be the same.

by Dog S. Pig (no login)

Dykeweassie sez eet ees so,
So it must be so.



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 9:48 PM
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THAT DID NOT EVEN REACH THE LEVEL OF "CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE"

by What Do You Think? (no login)

UNLIKE THE EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM THAT WILL BE PRESENTED. THESE WILL BE BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT.

UPDATE, COLLATED MATERIALS. THEY HAVE NOW GATHERED AT LEAST 3 YEARS WORTH OF COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS AND COUNTING.

A COUPLE OF THE "SEXYRETARIES" NOTICED THAT THERE IS EVEN ENOUGH THERE TO PUT HIM IN TROUBLE WITH U.S. DEPT. OF HOMELAND SECURITY WITH REGARDS TO THE WAR ON TERROR.

NOW THAT IS ANOTHER AVENUE THAT JUST OPENED UP! THEY WERE ASKING IF THEY SHOULD START INCLUDING THOSE EVIDENCE AS WELL.

HEHEHEHEHE...THE CLOT THICKENS!

ATTENTION NSA! YEAH! GO FOR IT GUYS. THE NAME IS NAPANICE...


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Ahem! Preponderance of evidence is the least stringent.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

ESL! TOEFL! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahawr!

Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 3:53 PM
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I KNOW. BUT HE JUST CONSIDERS THEM GUILTY WITH JUST THAT.

by What Do You Think? (no login)

.PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE - > CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE - > BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT .

LIKE YOU SAID FOR HIM IT STOPS AT PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE. IT DOESN'T EVEN REACH CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE AND HE ALREADY JUDGES THEM GUILTY.

I WONDER HOW HE'D REACT TO BEING CONSIDERED GUILTY JUST AT PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM?

Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 3:59 PM
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WE hope the new speaker of the house!!!

by vaticoz (no login)

Will not dance the cha cha with the MIDGET !!!!

Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 1:43 PM
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NOGRALES IS WORSE THAN JDV, YOU WATCH.

by Napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 1:58 PM
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Kindly post a picture of your Kracked Krystal Ball.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

We want to see the future, too!


Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 3:14 PM
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The cha cha steps will continue with this guy !

by yess (no login)

And the midget will be happy...Pweeee !!!

Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 11:25 AM
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NOGRALES OUSTED JDV, THAT MEANS HE'S A BETTER CHA CHA PARTNER FOR GLORIA.

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Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 12:28 PM
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THIS means midget have a change to become,,

by yess (no login)

Permanent leader ha. How bad can it be in P. I. !!!

Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 2:41 PM
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Tumataas ang Peso at bumababa ang Dolyar! Si Cory, Erap at FVR ba nagawa nila iyon?

by Tama iyan! (no login)

Kahit marami pa ring naghihirap sa bayan natin may pag-asa dahil gumaganda ang takbo ng ekonomiya. Marami akong kakilala na nakapagtrabaho sa mga nakaraang taon. Kahit paano umuusad tayo paharap. Sa ilalim ng mga naunang presidente bokya tayo. Kung umuusad din naman tayo sa mga patakaran ni GMA bakit hindi patagalin? Iyung mga inggit lang naman ang madalas manira sa kanya.

Inggit ka ba?



Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 3:35 PM
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Sabi ni Dykeweasel, nawalan daw ng kita ang mga OFWs. E ngayon, ano?

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Gaga na, bobo pang talaga, ano?



Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 3:46 PM
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Paano nawalan ng kita? Hindi ba sila sinusuweldohan?

by Tama Iyan (no login)

Saan naman niya pinag-basehan ang kaalaman na iyon? Mahirap talagang magpapaniwala na lang ng basta sa mga diyaryo ngayon. Kailangang ini-isip at pinag-iisipan ang mga nababasa at hindi lang isang panuntunin ang dapat na tinitingnan.

Iyung mga galit kay Arroyo hinahayaan nilang mabulag sila ng galit nila. Ang mabuti ay tingnan kung ano ang ayaw makita. Sabihin mang corrupt ang Presidente, kailan ba hindi nagkaroon ng corrupt na Presidente ang Pilipinas? Si Magsaysay? O, e ano ang pinag-gagawa ng mga nanunuligsa ngayon noong panahon nila Marcos, Aquino, Ramos at Estrada? Ginawa ba nila iyan noon?



Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 3:56 PM
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Ang ibig sabihin niya siguro ay :

by yess (no login)

Peso exchange rate :

Noon : 55 pesos for 1 dollars
Ngayon : 40 pesos for 1 dollar

Nawalan ng 15 pesos ang isang OFW na isang malaking kawalan.

Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 5:58 PM
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Naku! Tataas lalo ang Pinas Peso! Eeeeeeeek!

by Dirty Sick Pig (no login)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWR!


Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 3:58 PM
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Baka may dollar account iyang mga iyan?

by Tama Iyan (no login)

Kaya pala sila magaling simigaw at magreklamo para ipaglaban ang mahihirap na mga walang dollar account.

Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 4:04 PM
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Re: DE VENECIA OUSTED BY MOB RULE, GLORIA STYLE.

by Bangkal (no login)

Who is Rep. Prospero Nograles? Burlesque-Palos King Nograles. He was caught in a Makati City hotel with a well-known media personality and wife of his former campaign manager. He frantically scrambled for the exit after detectives hired by the irate husband barged in. We don’t expect a radical change in the House of Representa-thieves. The change in personality means nothing. It will be business as usual. De Venecia and Nograles are tradpols. Both are certified Gloria Arroyo lapdogs.


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EXACTLY WHY HE IS WORSE, AT LEAST JDV HAS FINESSE EVEN IN HIS CROOKEDNESS.

by Napanice (no login)



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Dykeweassie is an admirer of crookedness with finnese, folks!

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)



Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 12:39 PM
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The question :

by yessir (no login)

How much cost (sohol) to kick out JVD from speakership ?

Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 6:00 PM
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P1 MILLION X 174 VOTES = P174 MIILION. PEANUTS TO GLORIA AND HER SONS.

by Napanice (no login)



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Peanuts? Bwahawr! Check out her SAL and you will say "mungo."

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

She has never been poor. Now you can go ahead with your proofless meowing.


Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 9:45 PM
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ANOTHER WITNESS AGAINST GLORIA DISAPPEARS, LOZADA ABUCTED BY EX MILITARY AIDE.

by napanice (no login)

A MATERIAL WITNESS TAPPED BY THE SENATE TO TESTIFY IN ITS ZTE-NBN PROBE HAS GO MISSING. WITNESSES REPORT THAT RODOLFO NOEL LOZADA JR. WAS ABDUCTED BY A HIGH RANKING AIRPORT OFFICIAL WHO TURNS OUT TO BE A FORMER MILITARY AIDE OF PRESIDENT ARROYO.

IT WILL BE REMEMBERED THAT A SIMILAR EVENT TOOK PLACE WHEN EDUARDO "UDONG" MAHUSAY WAS ABDUCTED FROM A SAFEHOUSE UNDER THE CUSTODY OF SENATOR PANFILO LACSON. MAHUSAY WAS KNOWN TO HAVE THE DAMNING EVIDENCE ON FIRST GENTLEMAN JOSE MIGUEL "MIKE" ARROYO, AKA JOSE PIDAL, ALLEGED MONEY LAUNDERING ACTIVITIES.

WHEN MR LOZADA WILL SURFACE AGAIN TO TESTIFY BEFORE THE SENATE IS ANYBODY'S GUESS, BUT ONE THING IS FOR SURE. LOZADA'S WIFE WANTS HIM TO GO BARE EVERTTHING BEFORE THE MEDIA.

NAP


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HOW far GMA can go bad politician ?

by Ano'to (no login)

She's more worse compared during Japanese occupation in P. I. !!!

Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 11:53 AM
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How far? As many miles away as your I.Q.

by Dirty Sick Pig (no login)



Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 12:28 PM
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And as the bee in your bonnet flies.

by Dirty Sick Pig (no login)



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Labis na mayabang si baboy na ito eh !!

by oO (no login)

Dapat kay DSP ito ang magdissapear SA mundo eh !!!

Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 2:30 PM
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Sipsip botelya!

by Dirty Sick Pig (no login)

Bwahahahahahahahahahawr!


Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 3:38 PM
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Oo sipsip PHNO contract ass archiving !!!

by Oo (no login)

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! DISAPPEAR CONTRACTOR !!!

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AS FAR AS JAPAN, SHE IS SELLING THE COUNTRY THROUGH JPEPA

by napanice (no login)



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How much per acre, ha, genius?

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWR!


Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 12:32 PM
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WANNA BUY?

by napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 1:15 PM
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You selling?

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

That folks, is the usual dialog between a prosti and a john.

Bwahahahahahahahahawr!

John Pig


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SO YOU'RE SAYING GLO IS A PRO?

by Napanice (no login)



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Choice properties and big investment banks....

by CoeL (no login)

are owned by foriegn countries and and wealthy foriegners
in United States.Choice properties in CA are owned by
foriegners....and they keep on buying. In NYC big buildings were
bought by the Japanese and Arabians....let them...its a free
country and so with the Philippines...if they want some leverage
later...let them sell!

Middle Eastern countries who control the flow of oil and dictate
prices have heavily invested here by the billions than any country
in this world. Let them, I say again...let the Japanese buy all they
can in RP!

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Quite true, and foreign ownership of assets is not that bad.....

by Dirty Sick Pig (no login)

.....specially since California ex-Pinoys as a class are just windbags with no significant investments in RP.


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WOW! Such a positive statement! Mayroon kang alam, ano?

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Tumahimik ka na nga, Dykeweassie, at baka ikaw ang sumunod na mag-disappearing act.

Ang suwerte ni Mahusay at ni Lozada, ano? Instant green cards! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahawr!


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WHY, WHAT'S YOUR INSIDE INFO?

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I don't have enough info to howl to the moon like you do.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Bwahahahahahahahahawr!


Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 3:43 PM
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NOT A SINGLE CHARGE AGAINST JDV, HIS OUSTER WAS PURE POLITICAL VENDETTA.

by Napanice (no login)

SO THE LATEST ADDITION TO GLORIA'S DOGS, PROSPERO NOGRALES, SHOWED THE WHOLE COUNTRY HOW TO LEAD A MOB OF CORRUPT POLITICIANS OUT TO BRING DOWN ONE OF THEIR OWN. MR. GLOEZ IS RIGHT, THOSE WHO ARE LOYAL AND CLOSE TO DE VENECIA WILL NOT SIT BACK AND DO NOTHING ABOUT THEIR COLLEAGUE'S HUMILIATING OUSTER.

IN THE COMING DAYS, WE CAN EXPECT A CALM BEFORE THE STORM AS THE OPPOSITION AND DE VENECIA'S SUPPORTERS START PLOTTING AGAINST NOGRALES AND GLORIA ARROYO.

NAP

What is surprising (though not really) is that the motive for ousting him -- political vendetta -- is so ill-disguised. One would think that loftier reasons would be offered for De Venecia’s ouster, but public statements from the Arroyo sons in the House said their family was hurt by accusations made by De Venecia’s son, Joey de Venecia III.

Deputy Minority Floor Leader Roilo Golez opined at a recent media forum that the Speaker is a “political giant” and his ouster would naturally be “tectonic” and cause massive realignments in the House. Golez is correct, and the administration has no way of predicting what the final configuration in the House would be.

The opposition led by former president Joseph Estrada is extending its welcome to De Venecia if he’s ousted, but I think that the decent fellow that he is, he would not turn into a loudmouthed, rambunctious obstructionist but become an effective fiscalizer of the administration.

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You got problems with internal congressional proceedings, you know where to jump.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

In your Kracked Krystal ball's box.


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OH YEAH, P1M X 174 VOTES = P174 MILLION PROCEEDING TO CONGRESSONAL POCKETS?

by napanice (no login)



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If you know something about this, it's your duty to report to authorities.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Hindi iyang daldal ka lang ng daldal na para bang pinakain ka ng pukka ng baboy.

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WHY DON'T YOU TRY THAT YOURSELF? UNLESS OF COURSE, YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

by napanice (no login)



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I'm not the one screaming in a cyberforum like I know everything.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Ulol!

Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 12:33 PM
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YOU LIKE?

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Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 1:12 PM
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That is an ultrafeminine expression.....

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

.....sweatheart.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWR!


Posted on Feb 5, 2008, 3:44 PM
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.....that I can almost picture you in your spike heels and filmy pegnoir.....

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

.....with Hanes skivvies under all. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWR!


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DEFENSE SECRETARY OVERRULES HOTHEAD SENATOR ON SPRATLY ISSUE

by Napanice (no login)

WHAT MIRIAM SANTIAGO HAS DONE BY DEMONSTRATING A HOSTILE REACTION TO THE VISIT OF TAIWAN'S PRESIDENT TO THE SPRATLY ISLANDS IS PUT THE PHILIPPINES IN AN EMBARRASSING AND DEFENSIVE POSTURE BEFORE THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.

TAIWAN EMPLOYS THOUSANDS OF FILIPINO OVERSEAS WORKERS WHO WILL BE AFFECTED SHOULD ITS GOVERNMENT TAKE THE OFFENSIVE REMARKS OF SENATOR SANTIAGO IN A NEGATIVE LIGHT. THIS INCIDENT IS TYPICAL OF THE WAY FILIPINO PUBLIC OFFICIALS REACT TO THEIR PERSONAL PERCEPTIONS OF FOREIGNERS WHO ENTER THE COUNTRY.

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Defense Secretary Gilbert Teodoro said Taiwan must adhere to the code of conduct covering the disputed islands. This includes the prohibition in building of structures in the area.

Teodoro said diplomacy should be used to settle the controversy. He called on Taiwan to keep the status quo and joined the Department of Foreign Affairs in condemning the visit.

For his part, Gen. Hermogenes Esperon, Armed Forces chief of staff, said there will not be any additional troop deployment to the disputed islands in the South China Sea.

Esperon said claimants need to respect the existing arrangements to prevent tension among the countries claiming the islands.

The Philippines has 60 soldiers stationed at the Kalayaan group of island which is composed of eight islands, the biggest of which is Pag-asa.



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 9:41 AM
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Whose side are you on, Dykeweassie?

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 11:54 AM
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Pilipinas? Explain.

by Dirty Sick Pig (no login)



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 11:57 AM
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Taewan? Explain?

by Dirty Sick Pig (no login)



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 11:58 AM
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Or do you just want to spew irrationally in keeping with character?

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 11:59 AM
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IS THIS NEWS ABOUT TAKING SIDES OR PLAIN PARANOIA?

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Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 12:28 PM
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I'm sure you're aware you're being paranoid about lots of things.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

That's good.


Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 1:01 PM
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AND THE VIOLATION BEGINS.

by Napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 2:01 PM
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Cryptic remarks will get you nowhere.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Bwahawr!


Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 3:11 PM
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YEAH, EXCLUDE YOURSELF FROM THE VIOLATIONS.

by Napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 3:42 PM
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I can't! Remember, I'm a copycat and mimic your own violations, di ba?

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Lapse of Memory Alert!


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HOTHEAD OFFICIALS ARE SENDING THE WRONG MESSAGE ON SPRATLY VISIT

by Napanice (no login)

SO, NOW THAT GLORIA'S CAGE WAS RATTLED BY TAIWAN'S RENEWED INTEREST ON THE SPRATLYS ISLAND GROUP, HER POLITICAL ALLIES ARE JUMPING ON THE BANDWAGON OF WAR DRUMMERS TO DRAW THE IRE OF THE PEOPLE AGAINST THE TAIWANESE.

THIS IS IN DIRECT CONTRAST TO THE PASSIVE POLITICAL POSTURE OF THE GOVERNMENT WHICH ESSENTIALLY LEAVES THE CLAIMS ISSUE ON THE SPRATLYS AT THE MERCY OF TIME AND DO NOTHING LEADERS. BUT DOES THE PHILIPPINE GOVERNMENT THINK IT CAN STOP THE COMBINED MILITARY MIGHT OF TAIWAN AND CHINA SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO START DRILLING FOR OIL IN THE REGION?

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Foreign Affairs Secretary Alberto Romulo earlier said Chen’s decision to push through with his visit to what the Philippines calls as Ligao Island "works against the joint efforts by claimant countries in the South China Sea to achieve peace and stability in the region in accordance with the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DoC)."

The Philippines is urging other claimant countries to exercise prudence, self-restraint and use diplomacy as the tool to settle disputes in keeping with the spirit of the DoC, Romulo added.

Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago said that the Philippines should tighten its security in islands being claimed by the country in the disputed Spratly group of islands in the South China Sea.

Santiago issued the statement that echoed the reaction made by the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) over Taiwanese president Chen Shui-bian visit to an island being claimed by Taiwan.

“Hindi maganda iyon dahil nagtatawag pansin s’ya...dito sa away ng mga bansa tungkol sa Spratly island. Ano kaya ang pakiramdaman naman nila kung ipadala naman natin 'yung presidente natin doon at magtuturo s'ya doon sa Spratly," said the Senate's foreign relations committee chief.

Posted on Feb 3, 2008, 8:40 AM
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What message was the Taewanese president sending, ha?

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Duuuuuuh!

Posted on Feb 3, 2008, 11:51 AM
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YOU SOUND WORRIED, WHAT MESSAGE DID YOU GET?

by Napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 3, 2008, 12:03 PM
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Taewanese aggressive acts mean nothing to you. You just want to diss Pinoy officials.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

That was the message you spread into the winds, konyito.


Posted on Feb 3, 2008, 12:10 PM
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POINTING OUT THE FALLACY OF HOTHEADNESS IS NOT DISSING, ON THE CONTRARY.

by Napanice (no login)



Posted on Feb 3, 2008, 12:13 PM
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Ok, what would YOUR response be to the Taewanese aggressive act?

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

I know, I know. You will "communicate," ensuring that Taewanese feelings don't get bruised.

If I were PGMA I will order the formation of JABIDAH-2. If she hasn't already done that. <kindat><kindat>




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WHAT AGGRESSIVE ACT?

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Posted on Feb 3, 2008, 3:37 PM
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Go figure, genius!

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Bwahawr!


Posted on Feb 3, 2008, 8:14 PM
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THE DEFENSE SECRETARY GOT IT FIGURED OUT ALREADY, NOTHING BUT HOTHEAD POLITICIANS' HOT AIR

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Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 12:32 PM
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What will do to anybody who disagrees with you, or sees things the other way?

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Ha?


Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 3:17 PM
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WHY a tiny land Spratly wanted by all countries surrounding the land !

by whatelse (no login)

For me, it's just GREEDINESS TO HAVE MORE TERRITORY LAND. Maybe oil too or something else...

Posted on Feb 3, 2008, 9:04 PM
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Frankly, I'm surprised that you don't know. Maybe it's better than way, ha?

by Dirty Sick Pig (no login)

Here, try this link. Eets een Engleesh.

http://www.aseansec.org/13163.htm



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 6:02 AM
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GENIOUS, whatever declaration it is on conduct of parties in SPS,

by whatelse (no login)

To be followed by countries envolved, GOOD!--hope indeed followed !

Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 2:16 PM
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It's like this: ..........

by DSP (no login)

When presidents visit their troops, they're there as Commander in Chief. Unless, of course, a particular president is not the commander in chief in accordance with his or her country's laws.

While other claimant countries are minimizing the political effect of their military presence in the Spratleys by sending only a small number of troops commanded by low ranking officers and NCOs, Tae-1 decides to send what amounts to be their Top Soldier to the Spratleys, and this soldier happens to also wear the hat of the presidency.

In diplomatic body language, that is aggression, and worse, sets a precedence for other ASEAN claimants. I hope I'm wrong, but the Spratleys will be visited by bigwigs from another claimant countries in the very near futre. This, in turn, is deemed an escalation. Things will most probably go downhill from there. Not good, so I really hope I'm wrong.

You have to familiarize yourself with the language (and silences) and gestures (and absence of gestures) of international diplomacy in order to scratch the surface of this holy mess.

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If good conduct can't followed on declaration,,,

by whatelse2 (no login)

WAR IS NEXT !!!

Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 2:33 PM
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NUMEROUS INSTANCES OF COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS IN THIS FORUM CURRENTLY BEING COLLATED.

by What Do You Think? (no login)

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Posted on Feb 3, 2008, 8:02 PM
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DUE TO THE VOLUMINOUS AMOUNT OF INSTANCES, A DAILY OCCURENCE, IT IS GOING TO TAKE TIME.

by What Do You Think? (no login)

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Posted on Feb 3, 2008, 8:05 PM
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Ahem! You don't want to use Watchpigs data? BWAHAWR!

by Watchpig #2 (no login)

Brain fart alert! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWR!


Posted on Feb 3, 2008, 8:32 PM
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SOMEONE WANTED TO PICK OUT ONLY THE ONES WITH THE VIOLATIONS - THE HARD WAY.

by What Do You Think? (no login)

...DON'T ASK ME WHY.

Posted on Feb 3, 2008, 9:17 PM
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Understood! Por ebidensyari balue, ob korz. Ya, mon!

by Dirty Sick Pig (no login)

Du eet prontisimo bepor da place crashes around Weassie's ankles.

Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 5:38 AM
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SINCE I WAS OVERRULED, IT IS NICE TO HAVE THE WATCHPIGS ARCHIVE FOR BACKUP

by What Do You Think? (no login)

IN CASE POSTS GET DELETED BEFORE THEY ARE FULLY COLLATED.
IT SEEMS THESE POSTS WITH COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS GO MORE THAN HALF A DECADE.

Posted on Feb 3, 2008, 9:21 PM
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Remember, you cannot initiate unless "harmed." It's all really up to the (c) owners.

by Dirty Sick Pig (no login)

So yur presenteyshons to eech (c) owner must bi impek-pekable, pizs-pruf, redi tu uze and at leezt in duplikeyt. Dont run owt ob eenk. And bepor aye porget, make a set por da National Press Club becoz deyr members mayt want to fayl as a class insted ob indibidwali.

Rekwest (c) owners to publicize der bayoleyshons eben ip dey du nat want tu prosekyut.

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WHAT'S ALL THIS, MORE BALL POLISHING? WELL, AT LEAST IT'S CIVIL AND ENTERTAINING.

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Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 9:44 AM
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It was until you stuck your snout in. Butt out!

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)



Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 11:48 AM
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SO THAT WAS A PRIVATE CONVERSATION, THEN WHY DO IT IN A PUBLIC FORUM?

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Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 12:29 PM
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YOU SEEM TO HAVE TOTALLY LOST YOUR MEMEORY. CAN YOU REALLY READ YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS?

by What Do You Think? (no login)

YOU SEEM TO HAVE TOTALLY LOST YOUR MEMEORY. CAN YOU REALLY READ YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS?
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ESL ALERT! NAPANICE NEEDS MESSAGE THREAD TRANSLATED TO GR. 1 LEVEL.

by What Do You Think? (no login)

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Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 12:50 PM
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It's not private. We just exclude you, and you alone.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)



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WHERE IS THAT STATED?

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Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 2:02 PM
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In my post above.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahawr!


Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 3:16 PM
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Yu hab a cyber-stapler, ya, mon? Yu nid a biiiiig wan!

by Dirty Sick Pig (no login)

Too much material, almost ten years' worth of looting, irrational hate and obscene krap. We haven't even stirred the surface over at the site. But at least the data is safe from deletions.

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SOMEONE HERE IS ANTSY ABOUT A ROLLING BALL. LET'S SING A RHYME TO PASS THE TIME.

by Anonymous (no login)

(to the tune of the Pre-School song "The Wheels On The Bus")

THE WHEELS OF JUSTICE SPIN ROUND AND ROUND
ROUND AND ROUND, ROUND AND ROUND.

THE WHEELS OF JUSTICE SPIN ROUND AND ROUND
TILL IT HITS HIS A SS!

EVERYBODY NOW!


THE WHEELS OF JUSTICE SPIN ROUND AND ROUND
ROUND AND ROUND, ROUND AND ROUND.

THE WHEELS OF JUSTICE SPIN ROUND AND ROUND
TILL IT HITS HIS A SS!

ONE MORE TIME!

HE WHEELS OF JUSTICE SPIN ROUND AND ROUND
ROUND AND ROUND, ROUND AND ROUND.

THE WHEELS OF JUSTICE SPIN ROUND AND ROUND
TILL IT HITS HIS A SS!


GIVE YOURSELVES A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE EVERYONE, YOU ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

JUST REMEMBER TO KEEP THAT SONG IN MIND THE NEXT COMING DAYS AND WEEKS EVERYONE!



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PRE-SCHOOL? WHERE ARE YOU TAKING THOSE KIDS? CALLING DIRTY HARRY!!

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Posted on Feb 3, 2008, 10:47 AM
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How about a planeload of pretty, 20ish Russkie Wimmins?

by Dirty Virgie Pig Valenzuela (no login)

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahawr!

Posted on Feb 3, 2008, 11:50 AM
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DON'T EVEN DREAM ABOUT IT, OLD MAN!!

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"YES, BUT"

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

YES, BUT
by Napanice (no login)
Posted on Oct 12, 2007, 7:51 AM
http://www.network54.com/Forum/5345/message/1192200689/YES%2C+BUT

"LET'S MAKE SURE THOSE RUSSIAN WOMEN ARE PRETTY, IN THEIR 20S AND SINGLE."

Posted on Feb 3, 2008, 12:04 PM
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WELL, THEY ARE NOT FOR YOU OLD MAN.

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I know. You and your svetlanas can dogpile for all I care.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Cialis Alert! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahawr!


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YES, THERE IS A TIME WHEN EVEN INTEREST WILL LEAVE YOU OLD MAN.

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So, tell me how it feels, based on your own experience.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)



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You were already in college when Martial Law was declared, right?

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Want a repost? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahawr!

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SO WHAT ABOUT IT OLD MAN, ARE YOU ABOUT TO START SPECULATING?

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Hey, "young" person, I wasn't even born yet when Ferdie declared, ok? BWAHAWR!

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)



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IT WILL NOT MATTER IF YOU ARE SUFFERING FROM PROGERIA, LOOK IT UP.

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I looked it up years ago when you started displaying its symptoms.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahawr!


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WHAT SYMPTOM WAS THAT?

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Posted on Feb 4, 2008, 12:31 PM
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Look between your lower extremeties.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWR!

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I don't really care for same-hex maneuvers, but hey, you go for it, dykeweassie!

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WHATEVER PLEASES YOU OLD MAN, TO EACH HIS OWN.

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Hey, I wouldn't be making fun of you had you asked for single, hunky, 20ish Russkie men.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Because that would be natural.

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STRUGGLING FILIPINOS LOSE P24B IN INCOME DUE TO STRONG PESO.

by Napanice (no login)

THANKS GLORIA MACAPAGAL FOR LOOKING AFTER THE WELFARE OF THE LOWLY PAID DOMESTIC HELPERS AND CAREGIVERS WHO WERE FORCED TO WORK OVERSEAS BY YOUR INCOMPETENT GOVERNMENT. YOU HAVE RECENTLY ANNOUNCED THE AVAILABILITY OF 60,000 JOBS FOR PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE PAID AT THE TOP END OF THE SCALE, BUT HOW ABOUT THOSE AT THE VERY BOTTOM, THOSE WHO ARE NOW THREATENED BY DECREASING INCOME AND RISING COST OF LIVING DESPITE THE BOOMING ECONOMY?

DESPITE THIS REPORT AND ANNOUNCEMENT AT ATTEMPTS TO DETERMINE THE EXACT NUMBER OF OFWS AFFECTED, THE ARROYO GOVERNMENT HAS NOT ANNOUNCED ONE SINGLE PLAN TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM OF THE LESS SALARIED OFWS BY WAY OF PROVIDING SOLUTIONS TO COMPENSATE THEIR FAMAILIES BACK HOME FOR THEIR LOSSES.

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BSP Governor Amando Tetangco Jr. said that over half of OFs were affected by the weakness of the dollar – more than those originally estimated.

Determining how many OFs were affected and had to absorb the losses due to currency exchange fluctuations was more complicated, BSP officials said.

Many of the OFs were paid in third currencies whose exchange rates are pegged against the US dollar, which means that their salaries depreciate as the US dollar loses strength.

The peso was expected to stay firm this year and even exporters were already bracing themselves against the possibility of the dollar going below P40 this year, the BSP said.

Because of the combined effects of the strong peso and the weakening US dollar, overseas Filipinos (OFs) lost over P24 billion in income last year compared to 2006 figures.

Data from the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (BSP) showed that the losses would have gone up to P26 billion had not other currencies appreciated against the US dollar as well.


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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWRRRRRRRRRRR!

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Give them a freakin' refund, Kano.

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SO YOU THINK LAUGHING AT THEIR MISERY WILL HELP?

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I was laughing at your stupid message title. BWAHAHAHAHAHAWR!

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)



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AND WHY IS THE LOSS OF P24B IN INCOME STUPID?

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How can anyone lose anything they never possessed? Bwahahahahahawr!

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Lost income is income already earned but lost.

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GO FIGURE,

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Dykeweassie, do not pick up all Pinoy English on the net. It tends to slam you.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Bwahahahawr!


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YES COMMANDER, WHAT ARE YOUR SUPPLEMENTARY ORDERS AGAINST PINOYS?

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Pinoys & ex-Pinoys in the USA take ESL and pass TOEFL.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWR!

Lieutenant Commander D. S. Pig
STILL SERVING!


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Yur deekshonari term por todey iz: POTENTIAL EARNINGS!

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I DO NOT WISH THE PHNO WEBSITE BY TAKEN DOWN AND KICKED BY THOSE FILLED WITH HATRED.

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It's as strong as this: .....

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THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE PROPER AUTHORITIES TO DECIDE. THE BALL WAS ALREADY ROLLING.

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. YOU DID NOT LISTEN.

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SO LET THEM DECIDE AND ONE OF YOU CAN DO THE HONOR OF KICKING.

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STILL BELLIGERENT DESPITE ALL YOUR MISDEEDS?

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HAS THE BALL STOPPED ROLLING?

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YOU FORGOT ABOUT THE POSTS LAST NIGHT? REMEMBER WHERE IT IS HEADED DOWN THE LINE?

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SURE, YOU'RE MAKING ALL KIND OF STORIES ABOUT A ROLLING BALL.

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STORIES? SO WHAT'S YOUR STORY FOR VIOLATING COPYRIGHT? YOU THINK THAT WILL STAND?

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IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NOT AN EXCUSE.

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LET ME REMIND YOU WHO IS THE CAUSE OF THIS SITE BEING TAKEN DOWN - LOOK IN THE MIRROR.

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. THERE YOU WILL SEE WHO.

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THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE PROPER AUTHORITIES TO DECIDE, THE BALL IS STILL ROLLING.

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YUP. IT SURE IS!

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ALL posters who are pretentious,

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think that we are not all clear from garbaqe. Let's clean up time ! before too late !!!

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GLORIA TALKS ABOUT THOUSANDS OF JOBS WHILE MILLIONS REMAIN UNEMPLOYED.

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THIS LATEST ON JOBS IS JUST ANOTHER PLOY TO GAIN POLITICAL MILEAGE. THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS EXPERIENCING A SERIOUS SHORTAGE OF NURSES SO THIS ANNOUNCEMENT IS TAILORED TO KEEP THE NEW NURSING GRADUATES FROM LEAVING THE COUNTRY. OF COURSE THERE WILL BE A LACK OF APPLICANTS BECAUSE AFTER SPENDING MILLIONS TO OBTAIN THEIR DEGREE AND LICENSES, THESE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS FIND THE LOCAL JOB MARKET WOEFULLY INADEQUATE TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE FOR THEM TO WORK AT HOME.

FOR YEARS, THE PHILIPPINE GOVERNMENT HAS DONE NOTHING TO IMPROVE THE LOCAL ECONOMY, CHOOSING INSTEAD TO SEND MILLIONS OF WORKERS ABROAD TO EARN THEIR LIVING WORKING FOR FOREIGNERS. SO WHAT MAKES GLORIA THINK THAT THE PHILIPPINES CAN NOW COMPETE AND HIRE THE YOUNG GRADUATES WHOSE GOAL IS TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY AT THE EARLIEST OPPORTUNITY?

AND BY THE WAY, THE NEWS MAY HAVE STARTED WITH AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR LOCAL EMPLOYMENT BUT IT IMMEDIATELY SWITCHES TO OVERSEAS MARKET. SO MUCH FOR SINCERE AND HONEST INTENTIONS FROM THIS LYING GOVERNMENT.

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Employment prospects seem to be getting brighter for young Filipino professionals.

Over 60,000 local jobs are now available for nurses and other young professionals, the Department of Labor and Employment (DOLE) reported yesterday.

Data from DOLE’s Bureau of Local Employment (BLE) showed a total of 60,250 job vacancies, but only 22,658 job applicants from various parts of the country.

The same data gathered by BLE revealed that professional nurses and call center agents are now the most in demand skilled workers among local employers.

A total of 600 jobs are available for professional nurses and 400 for call center agents followed by domestic helpers with 300 unfilled positions.

Others in the Top 10 list of most in demand workers are staff nurse, accounting clerk, engineering assistant, information technology specialist, production worker, accounting staff, human resource development specialist and mechanical engineer.

DOLE, however, reported numerous applicants for the posts of production worker, service crew, cashier, machine operator, data encoder and office clerk.

Meanwhile, on work overseas, the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) warned yesterday Filipino applicants that there are no legal jobs available for foreign domestic helpers in Egypt.

The DFA warning came after the embassy reported that the Egyptian government issues working permits and visas only to foreign domestic helpers if employed by foreign diplomats accredited in Egypt.

“Filipinos who seek jobs in Egypt as domestic helpers are in danger of arrest by the Egyptian immigration authorities for lack of valid visas and working permits,” the DFA said.

Filipino domestic service workers in Egypt who have no pertinent documents do not enjoy labor protection and are vulnerable to abuse and maltreatment.

The embassy has found Filipino domestic helpers using the following modes to enter Egypt:

• Recruitment as domestic workers purportedly for a neighboring country like Jordan, United Arab Emirates and Kuwait, but later brought to Egypt by their sponsors for delivery to their real employers;

• Recruitment as skilled workers (e.g., factory workers, nurses, hotel service staff, etc.) under a scheme that allows highly skilled foreigners to work in Egypt;

• Entry into Egypt as tourists and work as domestic helpers. Eventually, they overstay their tourist visas and are locked up in the homes of their employers to avoid trouble due to their illegal status.

The third-country approach is commonly used because Egyptian immigration laws allow foreign employers to bring with them their foreign domestic helpers when they vacation in Egypt.

In Lebanon, despite the growing tension there, a ranking Lebanese official yesterday assured the safety of Filipinos in the Middle Eastern country and dismissed the need for their immediate evacuation.

Honorary Consul-General Joseph Assad said the prevailing tension in Lebanon is expected to stabilize within a few days because of the scheduled presidential elections on Feb. 11.

“There is absolutely no need to evacuate overseas Filipino workers from Lebanon at the moment since the condition is only temporary,” Assad pointed out.

He also gave assurance that the Army is ready and able to contain any outbreaks of violence.

But as a precaution, Assad still urged Filipino workers to stay home during their rest day and refrain from going to public places like shopping malls, cinemas and churches for the meantime. – With Pia Lee-Brago



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THE ABOVE POST IS A COPYRIGHT VIOLATION

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PHNO RULE VIOLATOR MAKES ANOTHER FALSE ACCUSATION.

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PHNO COPYRIGHT VIOLATOR HAS NO CREDIBILITY IN HIS DENIALS.

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THE ACCUSATION IS BASED ON FALSEHOOD AND LACK OF PROOF.

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THE POST VIOLATED COPYRIGHT LAWS WITH VERBATIM COPYING OF COPYRIGHTED ARTICLE.

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SAYS WHO? IN WHICH SYSTEM OF LAW AND WHICH COURT?

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THANK YOU FOR POSTING THE ENTIRE L.A. TIMES v FREE REPUBLIC ARTICLE, IT IS CREDIBLE PROOF.

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THANK YOU FOR POSTING THE ENTIRE L.A. TIMES v FREE REPUBLIC ARTICLE, IT IS CREDIBLE PROOF.
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ARE YOU AWARE THAT GOOGLE ANALYTICS ALREADY HAS THAT CACHED?

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SO WHAT? IT IS A DOCUMENTATION OF A CASE, NOTHING MORE. DO YOU HAVE A CASE?

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HEHEHEHE YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN NOW, REMEMBER? YOU THINK PHNO WILL TAKE THE FALL?

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BLAH BLAH BLAH, YOU KEEP ON POLISHING YOUR BALL, HAS IT STOPPED YET?

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KEEP UP THE FOOL'S BRAVADO, YES, LAUGH NOW...YOU'LL HAVE 12MONTHS OTHERWISE LATER.

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IT IS CREDIBLE PROOF OF WHAT? THE CASE WAS LA TIMES V FREE REPUBLIC. DO YOU HAVE A CASE?

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YES THERE'S A CASE PHILIPPINE NEWS MEDIA v. PHNO CYBERFORUM & POSTER AKA NAPANICE

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ARE YOU REPRESENTING THE PHILIPPINE NEWS MEDIA IN THIS FORUM?

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YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN. YOUR ATTEMPTS TO SQUEEZE IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU.

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BLAH BLAH BLAH, YOU KEEP ON POLISHING YOUR BALL, HAS IT STOPPED YET?.

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ONLY AN IDIOT WILL THINK A BALL THAT'S ROLLING CAN BE POLISHED.

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GO FIGURE.

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YES, YES, GO FIGURE.

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Those "millions," are they looking for jobs?

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Yu shud nat kawnt da kontented istambays.

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I HAVE NO IDEA, BUT GOVT ALREADY SAID ONLY 60,000 JOBS ARE AVAILABLE. GO FIGURE.

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Let's see.....of the "millions" who are jobless.....

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.....how many are retired? Too old and infirm to work? In-between jobs? On sabbaticals? Untrained/unskilled for any trade? SELF-EMPLOYED, to include farmers, fishermen, sidewalk vendors, "boundary" drivers, etc.? Contractual personnel? Employable age full time students? Too physically and mentally handicapped for employment? The genuine istambays? Sex industry workers? Underground economy workers? Prisoners? MILF? MNLF? NPA? "Human rights activists" a.k.a. jobless but not seeking jobs college graduates? Celebrity "alalays?"



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GLORIA'S GOVERNMENT RATTLED BY TAIWAN PRESIDENT'S VISIT AT THE SPRATLEY'S

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IF THE PHILIPPINES THINK THE HUGE OIL DEPOSIT BENEATH THE SPRATLEY'S WILL REMAIN UNTOUCHED BY OTHER CLAIMANTS LIKE CHINA, IT IS SADLY MISTAKEN. WATCH GLORIA AND HER MILITARY DOG ESPERON GO RUNNING TO THE U.S. FOR MILITARY HELP WHEN TAIWAN AND OTHERS DECIDE TO START DRILLING FOR OIL.

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Taiwan president visit to Spratlys 'irresponsible posturing'

The Philippines on Saturday described as "irresponsible political posturing" a landmark visit of Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian to the disputed Spratly Islands.

In a statement, Foreign Affairs Secretary Alberto Romulo said Chen’s decision to push through with his visit to what the Philippines calls as Ligao Island "works against the joint efforts by claimant countries in the South China Sea to achieve peace and stability in the region in accordance with the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DoC)."

China signed a non-binding DoC with the 10-member Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN) in Phnom Penh in 2002 to help ease tension after they agreed to a ban on military activities in the Spratlys.

"It is unfortunate that Taiwan is resorting to what may be considered as irresponsible political posturing that could be of no possible advantage to the peace-loving Taiwanese people," Romulo said.

The Philippines is urging other claimant countries to exercise prudence, self-restraint and use diplomacy as the tool to settle disputes in keeping with the spirit of the DoC, Romulo added.

Citing military sources, Reuters reported that Chen, dogged by criticism that he accomplished too little as his eight-year term winds down, flew in a military aircraft to Taiping Island in the Spratlys, to visit a recently completed airstrip for maritime rescue work.

Taiwan media said the trip is aimed at drumming up support for Frank Hsieh, the candidate for Chen's independence-leaning ruling Democratic Progressive Party in the March 22 presidential election. During the March election, a referendum will also be held to ask voters whether Taiwan should join the United Nations under the name "Taiwan."

Hsieh is locked in a heated race with opposition Kuomintang's Ma Ying-jeou to succeed Chen, who is to retire in May after eight years in office.

"The President will be there around noon today," said an official at Taiwan's defense ministry. He declined to give further details.

Analysts said Chen was making the visit for several reasons. "He wants to tell the Taiwan people that he's still in control. It is also a strong signal to assert Taiwan's sovereignty ahead of the UN referendum," said Andrew Yang, a political analyst at the Chinese Council of Advanced Policy Studies.

The 1,150-meter (3,770-ft) airstrip completed in late January will supplement Taiwan coastguard and military facilities on Taiping, which is the biggest in the Spratly chain at 489,500 square meters (120 acres) and 1,000 km south of Taiwan.

"He's going to show he's the president, for face, that's the most obvious," said Su Chi, a defense specialist with the Nationalist Party (KMT). "Whether this will lead to more conflict isn't certain."

The Spratly Islands are being claimed by six countries including Vietnam, China, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei and the Philippines. Each country claims all or part of the group of islands.

The Philippines is claiming 53 islands, reefs and rocks in the Spratlys which the Philippines call as Kalayaan island group.

All but Brunei have a military presence in the area, which is believed to contain substantial petroleum reserves.

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THE ABOVE POST IS A COPYRIGHT VIOLATION LIFTED FROM AFP AND REUTERS.

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.ABOVE POST IS AN ENTIRE VERBATIM COPY OF NEWS ARTICLE IN ABS-CBN.

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THAT'S A LIE, ANOTHER BASELESS ACCUSATION.

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I'm sure Philippine Marines gave him a 21-finger salute with their NATO 7.56 mm digits.

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BWAHAWR!


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GLORIA TRYING TO REVIVE AN ANOMALOUS AND OVERPRICED CYBERED CONTRACT

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ONCE CORRUPT, ALWAYS CORRUPT. THAT IS THE ONLY SENSIBLE CONCLUSION THAT CAN BE DRAWN FROM THIS SHAMELESS REPETITION OF PAST SCANDALS THAT LED TO THE DISCOVERY OF BRIBES AND KICKBACKS INVOLVING THE PRESIDENT'S HUSBAND AND THE COMMISSIONER OF THE COMELEC AND OTHER ACCOMPLICES.

BUT WHAT IS REALLY AT STAKE IS THE PROSPECT OF ADDITIONAL AND EVEN HIGHER EXPENDITURES OF THE TAXPAYERS' MONEY WHEN THIS TOUTED HIGH TECH EDUCATION SYSTEM STARTS FAILING BECAUSE OF CHRONIC POWER OUTAGES, LACK OF COMPETENT OPERATORS AND MAINTENANCE PROBLEMS CAUSED BY EXORBITANT CONTRACTS AND LACK OF QUALITY CONTROL AND OVERSIGHT.

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President Arroyo reiterated yesterday that she would push for the implementation of the Cyber Education Project (CEP) despite criticisms hurled against the proposal.

In her keynote address at the National Congress on Education yesterday at the Manila Hotel, the President said the government has already installed Internet-linked computers in several public high schools nationwide.

“We are now aiming for distance learning and cyber education,” the President said.

Arroyo critics attacked the proposed P26.48-billion CEP because China is the source of its funding.

Concerns were raised that the CEP could be embroiled in another anomalous transaction similar to the controversial $329-million national broadband network project that was awarded to the Chinese firm ZTE Corp. The contract was canceled by the President last year after disclosures of alleged overpricing and bribery involved in the NBN project.

Along with the cancellation of the NBN deal, the President suspended implementation of the CEP pending a review by a China Projects Oversight Panel to ensure that everything would be aboveboard.

Mrs. Arroyo said the government intends to install at least one linked computer in every public high school in the rural areas.

She said that the Internet-linked public school facilities will be used as community centers outside of school hours.

Mrs. Arroyo said the project generated great support from information technology industry leaders including Microsoft and Hewlett Packard during the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos, Switzerland.

The President noted that she was not the one who raised the issue during her roundtable discussions at the WEF with information technology governors, but by people from Hewlett Packard.

Under the proposed CEP, satellite technology would be used to link the country’s public schools to a nationwide network in order to achieve the goal of distance learning.

It was envisioned to connect a total of 37,794 schools or 90 percent of all public schools nationwide.

Once implemented, the connected schools would receive live feeds of lectures and presentations from master teachers as well as coursewares on demand and other valuable resource materials.

The technology is widely used in countries such as the United States, Canada, Mexico, Chile, El Salvador, Panama, Guatemala, Honduras, Thailand, India, Indonesia and China.

The project is part of government efforts to provide the highest quality education to public schools, particularly in rural areas where there are many low-income families.

One of the programs implemented by the government involves the provision of scholarships to private high schools for children of low-income families in areas where there are no public high schools.

“We recognize the pivotal role of private schools in national life. That is why instead of building more public high schools, we are expanding high school scholarships through the voucher system and the Government Assistance to Teachers and Students in Private Education or GATSPE,” the President said.



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Do you exactly on what, and whose, terms, ha?

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Duuuuuuuh!


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THE GANG OF THIEVES

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Those who teed off yesterday with De Venecia at the Malacañang grounds included:

former President Fidel V. Ramos
Executive Sec. Eduardo Ermita
Finance Secretary Margarito Teves
Trade and Industry Secretary Peter Favila
Sen. Juan Miguel Zubiri
Reps. Arthur Defensor
Simeon Datumanong
Ed Zialcita
League of Cities President and Mayor Benhur Abalos
Ulap president Ramon Guico
Presidential Management Staff Head Cerge Remonde
Public Works and Highways Secretary and Lakas CMD stalwart Simeon Datumanong
Presidential spokesman Ignacio Bunye
Armed Forces chief of staff Hermogenes Esperon
and businessman Enrique Razon.




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ENVIOUS THAT YOU MISSED OUT ON BEING THERE HUH?

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THE PHNO VIOLATOR MAKES ANOTHER FALLACIOUS JUDGEMENT.

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IT'S BEEN PROVEN THAT YOU ARE A THIEF MORE THAN ONCE.

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PROVEN BY WHO? WHAT OFFICIAL DOCUMENT STATES IT?

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THANK YOU FOR POSTING THE ENTIRE L.A. TIMES v FREE REPUBLIC ARTICLE, IT IS CREDIBLE PROOF.

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THANK YOU FOR POSTING THE ENTIRE L.A. TIMES v FREE REPUBLIC ARTICLE, IT IS CREDIBLE PROOF.
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RESPONSE POSTED.

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YOUR RESPONSE HITS ANOTHER BRICK WALL..

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ONLY IF YOU CAN'T READ.

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YES, YOUR READING "PROWESS" IS WELL KNOWN HERE AS IT IS ELSEWHERE

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BLAH BLAH BLAH, YOU KEEP ON POLISHING YOUR BALL, HAS IT STOPPED YET?.

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ONLY AN IDIOT WILL THINK THAT A ROLLING BALL CAN BE POLISHED.

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GO FIGURE.

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YES, YES, GO FIGURE.

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WE SHALL SEE HOW FAR YOUR ROLLING BALL WILL GO, YOU STILL WANT THAT APOLOGY?

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BS. YOU'VE LOST YOUR CREDIBILITY A LONG TIME AGO

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I DID?

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SO, YOU'RE THE LAST TO KNOW, HUH? YOU REALLY ARE CLUELESS!

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AND THE BALL ROLSS ON, I WONDER WHEN IT WILL STOP? DO YOU KNOW?

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WHY DO YOU WANT TO KNOW? CAN'T WAIT FOR IT TO ROLL OVER YOU?

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THE ONCE MIGHT ROLLERBALL IS NO LONGER THE FAVORITE SUBJECT OF CIVIL TALKERS. WHY IS THAT?

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BECAUSE THE BALL IS NO LONGER IN MY COURT. GUESS WHAT? YOU'RE RETURNING AS EXPECTED!

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RETURNING? DID YOU EXPECT OTHERWISE?

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IN A MANNER OF SPEAKING, WE GOT YOU MAPPED OUT TO YOUR CRACKS AND POTHOLES.

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WHEN YOU SH*T, WHEN YOU EAT, HOW YOU THINK, HOW YOU REACT, ETC.


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NOW WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? DO YOU HAVE A PRIVACY OBSESSION?

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MY, MY, YOU SOUND WORRIED! YOU HAVE EVERY REASON TO BE THIEF.

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OH YEAH, I'M WORRIED SICK NOW. WHAT ARE THOSE REASONS?

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SO YOU ARE WORRIED SICK! GOOD! GO PUKE ON YOURSELF!

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"Ms. Pigzza Pie" spent her own money for a full blown Bravo India!

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Did you know that? And she got her money's worth! I just hope she doesn't go overboard with the hot stuff. She is uncontrollable because she once got "The Treatment" here at sayberporum.

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I TAKE IT SHE HAD THE TIME OF HER LIFE?

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If not deleted, look for posts here by Margarita or Margie Tequila

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

Da Weasel virtually kicked her out of here, thinking she's The Pig in disguise. She got her revenge, or will, soon enough.

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Go to Post #3 by Napignice over at Watchpig (not Watchpigs)

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The only rolling ball I see is the infamous Kracked Krystal Ball.

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Owned and operated by You-Know-Who-W.


Posted on Feb 2, 2008, 6:28 PM
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YEAH, THERE'S EVERY REASON TO DENY IT'S EXISTENCE.

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Don't deny it because you used to slobber pomade on it.

by Virgie Pig Valenzuela The Second (no login)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWR!

Posted on Feb 2, 2008, 6:32 PM
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Before the 'lawyers' start to take over...

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THE ONLY "LAWYER" IN THIS FORUM IS THE ONE WHO WANTS TO KICK PHNO WHEN IT IS DOWN.

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ITS DOWN BECAUSE OF YOU.

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THE PIG WILL MAKE SURE YOU GET A KICK OUT OF IT.

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YOU'RE THE ONE WALLOWING IN THE MUCK AND ENJOYING IT.

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"LIKE I SAID I WILL INTENTIONALLY LEAVE THAT OUT FOR MY AND OTHER PEOPLE'S ENJOYMENT."

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Do you know of a better way to keep it down?

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWR!


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ONLY A PIG LAWYER/LIAR CAN GO EVEN LOWER

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By going lower, do you mean a kick in the groin? Well, ok, I will.

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Ip yu sey so.


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L.A. TIMES v. FREE REPUBLIC. FACTUAL BACKGROUND.

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..."Plaintiffs contend that "perfect copies" of news articles appearing in their publications and on their websites are posted to the Free Republic site. Defendants maintain that the posted articles are merely "purported copies" of the original, and assert that one can verify that a posting is an exact copy only by visiting plaintiffs' websites. Defendants nonetheless apparently concede that some of the postings are verbatim copies of original articles."



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IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE WATCHPIG WEBSITE WHERE ALL THE PROOFS ARE HIDDEN?

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It's WATCHPIGS Website. Watchpig is different and is hosted by Network54.

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MY, MY, HOW QUICKLY YOU CHANGED FROM CIVIL TO EVIL.YOU'RE ALL THE TYPICAL HYPOCRITES.

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SINCE YOU MANAGED TO STAY EVIL TO EVIL WE APPLAUD YOUR CONSISTENCY!

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DID I REALLY?

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BS. THAT ACCUSATION COMING FROM A LIAR, THIEF AND PERSON WITHOUT CREDIBILITY

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.YOU REALLY THINK ALL THESE YOU'VE BEEN DOING COULD RESTORE YOUR LOST CREDIBILITY?

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SO NOW NAME CALLING IS QUITE OK SINCE THE CIVIL TALKER IS DOING IT.

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THAT IS YOUR PERCEPTION. FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THOSE ARE FACTS.

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SO AS LONG AS THEY ARE FACT NAME CALLING IS ALLOWED SPECIALLY WHEN CIVIL TALKER IS DOING

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STILL LOOKING FOR YOUR LOST CREDIBILITY? YOU THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOINGWILL HELP YOU FIND IT?

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.DREAM ON!

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WHO'S LOOKING FOR THAT ROLLING BALL? IS THERE ANY CREDIBILITY TO THAT SPHERICAL OBJECT?

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YOU DOUBT ME? YOU'RE THE ONE WITHOUT CREDIBILITY REMEMBER?

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IS THERE A CREDIBILITY PROBLEM THAT I SHOULD DOUBT YOU?

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THEN WHY DO YOU HAVE TO ASK ABOUT THE CREDIBILITY OF THE SPHERICAL OBJECT? DENSE AREN'TYA?

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THAT MEANS YOU AND THAT SPHERICAL OBJECT ARE ONE AND THE SAME. INCREDI-BALL !

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YOU SEEM TO HAVE TOTALLY LOST YOUR MEMEORY. CAN YOU REALLY READ YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS?

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YOU SEEM TO HAVE TOTALLY LOST YOUR MEMEORY. CAN YOU REALLY READ YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS?
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Folks, let's play a serious game!

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Let's discuss and ANNOTATE the often-quoted..........

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HEHEHEHE....YUP..IT IS THAT SERIOUS.

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I JUST LOVE THE PART THAT SAYS...

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...We will however remove messages that contain links to nudity, sex, pornography, illegal activities, unauthorized use or distribution of copyrighted material

ALTHOUGH, YES, THEY DID REMOVE A LOT OF MESSAGES, THEY DID NOT REMOVE POSTS THAT INCLUDED UNAUTHORIZED US OF COPYRIGHTED MATERIALS.



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OF COURSE YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT IT WAS "UNAUTHORIZED" DO YOU HAVE THE PROOF?

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YOU WANT US TO ASSUME YOUR COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS WERE AUTHORIZED?

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. YOU HAVE THIS NICE WAY OF KEEPING US LAUGHING!

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I'm preparing something for Network54's action. Wanna co-author?

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I'll put it up in Google Docs for collaboration.


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YOU'RE A ONE-MAN TEAM ALREADY, DUDE! OVERWHELMING FORCE IF WE HAVE TO CO-AUTHOR.

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SOUNDS LIKE SHOCK AND AWE MENTALITY, THAT JAR REALLY BELONGS TO YOUR HEADS.

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YOU CAN ASSUME ANYTHING YOU WANT, DO YOU KNOW YOUR RIGHTS?

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SO YOU ARE IMPLYING THAT YOU WERE AUTHORIZED.

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I'M NOT IMPLYING ANYTHING AT ALL! YOU GO AHEAD AND MY YOUR ASSUMPTIONS.

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Are you implying that PHNO authorized you to violate various copyrights?

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I hope I'm wrong.


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TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH TO YOU. THE BALL IS STILL ROLLING.

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Your loyalty to your masters is condemnable, not commendable.

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You make me puke.

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YOU'RE NOT A PROPONENT OF THE LAW, HABITUAL VIOLATOR OF PHNO RULES!!

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My violations are in response to your, and PHNO's, violations.

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THE COPYCAT CONFIRMS HIS UNCIVIL BEHAVIOUR.

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Correct. I copied YOUR violations. I never claimed to be an angel, red or blue.

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I'm a pig! OINK! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahawr!


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Yep, I really trace the decade-long problem to the non-enforcement of that blurb.

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THAT LINE ALONE AND THE ACTIONS PHNO HAS NOT TAKEN TO ENFORCE IT

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...MAKES THEM COMPLICIT

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MORE ASSUMPTIONS.

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HISTORICAL DATA PROVE IT IS NOT AN ASSUMPTION. JUST READ THE PHNO ARCHIVES

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IF YOU THINK THAT WILL STAND, THEN WHY WORRY?

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YOUR ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN YOUR WORDS...WHY WORRY INDEED

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I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO SPECIFY THE LAW OF THE LAND AND JURISDICTION ON THIS BALL.

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TRYING TO SQUEEZE OUT INFO FOR YOUR SORRY ASS? YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN REMEMBER?

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HOW VERY CIVIL OF YOU TO DEMONSTRATE YOUR HYPOCRISY!!

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WE ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOOD AT FALSE ACCUSATIONS

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By posting in Network54, we already agreed that CA is the venue for any legal action.

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That is sooooooooo convenient! CA=California, not, repeat, NOT, CA=Canada.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWR!

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EXACT SAME VENUE OF L.A. TIMES v FREE REPUBLIC...UH-OH!

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And Virgie Valenzuela's domicile in the full sense of the word!

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But ob korz, there are those who are sort of immune just by being in kannuckland. Network54 must be given a good reason to hire a kannuck lawyer and I doubt they will do that. All they will do is click the delete button and poof, the Weasel Blog is gone.

One kannuck barrister comes to mind! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahawr!

Ok, kounselor, just kidding.


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I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THOSE DISCUSSED THE COPYRIGHT ISSUE IN A CIVIL MANNER.

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You are quite welcome!

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http://www.network54.com/Forum/5345/message/1197940325/SUPPOT+FAGGOTS+DO+LOVE+TO+COME+IN+FROM+THE+BACK%2C+THAT%27S+YOU%21%21

SUPPOT FAGGOTS DO LOVE TO COME IN FROM THE BACK, THAT'S YOU!!
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AND WHERE IS YOUR APOLOGY FOR CALLING ME A LIAR?

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IF AND WHEN THE BALL STOPS ROLLING, THEN YOUR REQUEST WILL BE TAKEN.

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BS. YOU'VE LOST YOUR CREDIBILITY A LONG TIME AGO.

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IN FAIRNESS, I EXPECT THAT THOSE WHO HONOR COPYRIGHT LAWS WILL ALSO HONOR PHNO RULES

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IF PHNO IS COMPLICIT IN VIOLATING LAWS OF THE LAND...

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...AS EVIDENCED IN SELECTABLE DELETIONS, AND NOT DELETING KNOWN VIOLATIONS OF COPYRIGHT LAWS, WHAT RIGHT DOES IT HAVE TO MAKE SUCH A REQUEST?

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AND THAT'S A BIG IF.

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IS THIS GOING TO BE ANOTHER "IGNORANCE OF THE LAW" THREAD?

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YOU STARTED WITH A CONDITIONAL STATEMENT, GO FINISH IT.

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SO WHAT RIGHT DOES IT HAVE?

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IT HAS ALL THE RIGHT AFFORDED BY THE LAW THAT GOVERNS IT.

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IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NOEXCUSE...YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN A FAVOR BY LETTING YOU KNOW.

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FROM THIS POINT ON...YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN.

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I'VE ACKNOWLEDGE IT ALREADY, BUT YOU SEEM TO THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE LAW OF THE LAND.

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I DESERVE AN APOLOGY FOR BEING ACCUSED AS A LIAR. DON'T YOU THINK?

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YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR A WHILE, THE BALL IS STILL ROLLING.

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YOU'RE STILL SAYING MY ACCUSATIONS WERE BASED ON LIES? IS THAT IT?

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IT WILL BE PROVEN FOR SURE WHEN THE ROLLING BALL STOPS, WHAT'S YOUR WORRY?

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TRY THIS. NAPANICE IS THE BIGGEST LIAR AND THIEF IN THIS FORUM AND IT HAS BEEN PROVEN.

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PROVEN BY WHO AND WHAT?

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ARE YOU CLUELESS AGAIN?

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YOU POSTED AN ARTICLE HERE WITH CREDIBLE INFORMATION. BUT WHICH LAW OF THE LAND IS THAT?

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GO LOOK FOR IT YOU SORRY ASS! FEIGNING IGNORANCE ACCUSING ME OF NOT PROVING AIN'T MY PROB

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WHAT'S WRONG? DON'T YOU EVEN KNOW WHICH COURT WILL HANDLE THE ROLLING BALL?

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I'VE DONE MY BEST TO BE CIVIL WITH YOU NOW KISS YOUR SORRY ASS BYE BYE

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AND I HAVE BEEN ASKING YOU A SIMPLE AND CIVIL QUESITON, WHICH LAW AND WHICH JURISDICTION

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I'VE HELPED YOU ENOUGH. BY SPECIFYING WHICH LAWS YOU'VE VIOLATED.

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YOU CALLED ME A LIAR AND DID NOT APOLOGIZE EVEN AFTER AGREEING I WAS CORRECT. YOU EVEN INTENTIONALLY ACTED WITH SPITE AT THE THOUGHT OF APOLOGIZING.

NOW YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN.

I HELD THE OTHERS BACK TO SAVE YOUR SORRY A SS.

SO, NOW, YOU CAN GO F*CK YOURSELF.



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WILL THERE BE USE FOR THOSE RULES WHEN IT IS TAKEN DOWN?

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THOSE RULES STAND NOW, DOESN'T IT?

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THE LAWS OF THE LAND STAND ABOVE IT DOESN'T IT?

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IS THERE A CONFLICT? WHICH LAW OF THE LAND IS THAT? YET ANOTHER PROBLEM ANSWERING?

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YOU STILL NEED TO BE REMINDED WHICH LAW OF THE LAND IT IS VIOLATING?

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YEAH, MAYBE YOU SHOULD START BY CITING THE APPLICABLE LAWS AND JURISIDICTIONS.

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AGAIN...IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NOT AN EXCUSE...I'M TIRED OF SPOONFEEDING YOUR SORRY ASS..

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DO YOU AGAIN HAVE A PROBLEM EXPOUNDING THE VIRTUES OF A ROLLING BALL?

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YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN NOW, THE VIRTUE OF THAT ROLLING BALL IS IT WILL ROLL ALL OVER YOU.

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THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE PROPER AUTHORITIES TO DECIDE, WHY WORRY?

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NICE TO HEAR THAT. WE ARE WORRIED FOR YOU THOUGH, KNOWING EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON.

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...AND IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN.

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WHY, WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING ON? THE BALL IS STILL ROLLING RIGHT?

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LIKE I SAID WITH THAT REGARD YOU ARE NOW ON YOUR OWN...

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...DON'T EXPECT ME TO TELL YOU MORE THAN I'VE ALREADY LET YOU KNOW...I WILL NOT DISCUSS WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU DESPITE KNOWING WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU. IT'S UP TO YOU TO START LOOKING AFTER YOUR OWN SORRY A SS

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MAKE SURE YOU POLISH THAT ROLLING BALL ONCE IN A WHILE, OK?

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HURRAY! SUCH FOOLISH BRAVADO! KEEP IT UP!

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I'VE SEEN FOOLS DIE BECAUSE OF IT...

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YOU LIKE IT? YOU WANT MORE?

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OF YOUR FOOL'S BRAVADO? SHOW EVERYONE HERE HOW A FOOL ACTS. GO AHEAD.

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GO AHEAD NAPANICE, POST COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS.

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LATER ON YOU CAN TRY SAYING NOBODY WARNED YOU AND SEE IF THAT WILL WORK

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Dorobo-san Weasel is acting like a child, wouldn't you agree?

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Babe!


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LIKE A 3YR. OLD CAUGHT WITH HANDS IN THE COOKIE JAR.

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ANYWAY HIS TIME-OUT IS COMING, EH?

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More like a 14-year old caught with a vial of Vaseline and a small mouthed jar.

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Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahawr!


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ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 14-YR. OLD BOY OR GIRL HERE?

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I was referring to the jar. Bwahahahahahahahahawr!

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THANK YOU FOR POSTING THE ENTIRE L.A. TIMES v FREE REPUBLIC ARTICLE, IT IS CREDIBLE PROOF.

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So is this article.....

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......ta-daaaaaa! Proof of weaselness:



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IS THIS SITE READY FOR A DMCA 512 TAKEDOWN? WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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If it's down, KICK IT!

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What is the law?

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Ob korz, any bill passed by the legislature and signed by the President (or becomes law without his signature due to various reasons) is legislated law. However, the nation's jurisprudence also comes from the following:

1. Court decisions at all levels and jurisdictions.

2. Opinions of Attorneys General whether U.S. or state.

3. Executive orders and some proclamations.

4. Ratified treaties between the states.

5. Ratified treaties between the U.S. and foreign countries or international organizations.

6. Ratified treaties between a state and foreign countries.

7. To some extent, the compilation of all state, county, municipal and city ordinances.

Your attention, You-Know-Who-You-Are, is invited to #1, #5 and #7 because copyrights are subjects of federal and local case laws as well as international obligations of recognition, implementation and enforcement.





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NAPANICE, SINCE YOU REALLY ARE CLUELESS ABOUT COPYRIGHT LAWS WHY NOT READ UP ON IT?

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FOR YOUR INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY WHY NOT DO A GOOGLE SEARCH ON COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS COPY-AND-PASTE. FOR STARTERS. TRY IT.



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I CAN CITE YOU THE LAW THAT APPLIES, BUT THAT IS YOUR JOB AS THE ACCUSER. SHOW US PROOF!!

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GO READ UP ON IT BEFORE CONTINUING YOUR BELLIGERENT ATTITUDE ABOUT BEING CITED FOR IT.

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.YOU'VE BEEN ACTING LIKE A 3 YR. OLD CAUGHT WITH HIS HAND IN THE COOKIE JAR.

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THAT DOES NOT RELIEVE YOU OF THE BURDEN OF PROOF, STOP YOUR ATTACKS AND DO YOUR JOB!!

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ATTACKS? WHAT ATTACKS? I JUST POINTED OUT COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS. ARE THEY ATTACKS FOR YOU?

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? YOU'RE NOT TAKING IT PERSONALLY ARE YOU? I POINTED OUT THE ACT FIRST. YOU DEFENDED THE ACT.
I POINT OUT COPYRIGHT VIOLATION. YOU DEFENDED IT AND OWNED THE ACT and THAT MAKES YOU A COPYRIGHT VIOLATOR. OTHERWISE HAD YOU CEASED THE ACT AND INSTEAD JUST DID THE RIGHT THING BY POSTING LINKS AND SNIPPETS OF THE ARTICLES YOU REFER TO, THE OUTCOME WOULD BE DIFFERENT. IN THE WEEKS TO COME THAT WOULD BE OBVIOUS. BUT THEN HINDSIGHT WOULD ALWAYS BE 20/20.

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YOU DON'T REMEMBER, READ YOUR POSTING ABOVE.

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YES YOU'RE CLUELESS OF COPYRIGHT LAWS THAT IS THE TRUTH IF THAT'S AN ATTACK THEN SO BE IT

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YOU SEEM TO HAVE TOTALLY LOST YOUR MEMEORY. CAN YOU REALLY READ YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS?

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READING IS NOT AN ISSUE WITH ME. WE ALL KNOW WHO HAS READING ISSUES HERE.

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SO GO AHEAD NAPANICE. ANY NEW COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS YOU WANT TO SHARE WITH US?

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WHAT COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS?

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THAT JUST PROVES YOU ARE CLUELESS ABOUT IT.

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DON'T YOU AND THE OTHERS JUST ENJOY THAT NAPANICE IS CLUELESS?

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Enjoy? No. Aghast? Yes. Disgusted? Yes. Surprised? No.

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Bwahahahahahahahahahawr!


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STUDENT GROUPS DEMAND ROMULO NERI'S RESIGNATION FROM HIS EDUCATION POST.

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THE YOUNG FILIPINOS SHOULD BECOME MORE ACTIVE IN THEIR PARTICIPATION TO THE AFFAIRS OF THEIR GOVERNMENT, ONE DAY THEY TOO WILL BECOME CITIZENS THAT WILL BEAR THE RESPONSIBILITY OF CHOOSING THEIR LEADERS AND MAKNG SURE THEY SERVE IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH THE HOPES AND DREAMS OF THE ORDINARY CITIZENS.

WITH NERI'S RELUCTANCE TO COOPERATE IN THE SENATE INVESTIGATION OF THE ANOMALOUS BROADBAND CONTRACT, IT IS ONLY RIGHT THE STUDENTS EXPRESS THEIR DISSATISFACTION AND DISGUST OVER HIS LACK OF INTEGRITY AND LOYALTY TO THE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF A CORRUPT PRESIDENT.

NAP

Student group wants Neri out of CHED

A militant student group called on the government to sack Chairman Romulo Neri of the Commission on Higher Education (CHED) for neglecting his duties and responsibilities, radio dzMM reported Saturday.

Vencer Crisostomo, national chairman of the League of Filipino Students (LFS) said Neri is a perfect model of a student who has been cutting classes.

He added Neri has been unavailable to hear the grievances and find solutions to the problems hounding college and universities nationwide as he eludes arrest.

Neri has been saddled with an arrest warrant issued by the Senate Blue Ribbon committee for his failure to attend the inquiry into the scrapped $329 million national broadband network deal.

Crisostomo said they want Neri out of CHED before the tuition hike consultations start this February.

He said some universities and colleges have expressed their intention to increase matriculation by more than 10 percent.

The LFS head said the students need a CHED chairman who will listen to the issues and concerns of the higher education sector in the country.

Earlier, embattled Neri filed a petition for certiorari at the Supreme Court (SC) Thursday in a bid to stop the enforcement of an arrest order issued by the Senate.

In a five-page petition, Neri, through lawyer Paul Lentejas, is asking the Supreme Court to stop the Senate from enforcing an arrest order, saying that the enforcement of the order will be an "injustice" to the petitioner, ABS-CBN News correspondent Marieton Pacheco reported.

Neri, in his petition, said that the Senate committed grave abuse of discretion in ordering his arrest.

Neri denied committing any act of contempt against the upper chamber, saying he had merely invoked executive privilege and had already explained to the body his non-appearance during previous Senate hearings.

Neri also said that Senate's issuance of arrest order for him pre-empted the SC's action on a pending petition on the issue and even disrespected the high court.

Meanwhile, the Senate's petition on whether Neri can invoke executive privilege is still pending before the SC.

Lawyer Midas Marquez, SC spokesman, confirmed the status of Neri’s first petition.

The SC en banc had granted last January 22 the Solicitor General's motion for an extension to file its comment.

Earlier, Neri said that he will ask the Supreme Court to nullify an arrest warrant issued by the Senate against him after he refused to appear in the upper chamber's inquiry on the $329 million national broadband network (NBN) deal.

Neri said only the high court can end the debate on whether he still needs to be subjected to another round of questioning about the NBN deal.

Neri said it was not his own decision to refuse to attend the hearings. "I have to follow my superiors. The Senate is not my superior. The superior is the executive, my boss is in the executive."

He said he had told the Senate all he knows about the NBN deal.

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THE ABOVE POST IS ANOTHER VIOLATION OF ABS-CBN COPYRIGHT

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THAT'S A LIE, ANOTHER BASELESS ACCUSATION.

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PEOPLE ALREADY KNOW COPYING AND PASTING ENTIRE ARTICLES IS A COPYRIGHT VIOLATION.

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...PEOPLE EXCEPT FOR YOU IT SEEMS.

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THAT'S ALL YOU KNOW, THEY ARE FAR AHEAD OF YOU.

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YOU'VE JUST SHOWN YOU KNOW LESS THAN ANYONE BY COPYING AND PASTING ENTIRE ARTICLES.

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FALSE, I SAID PEOPLE KNOW MORE THAN YOU WHEN IT COMES TO COPYRIGHT LAWS

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AND YOU CAN PROVE THAT? I DOUBT IT.

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VERY EASY, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS POST YOUR PROOF HERE, GO AHEAD.

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WHAT ARE YOU AN IDIOT? YOU ACCUSE ME AND ASK ME TO PROVE IT?

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ACCUSE YOU OF WHAT?

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THAT IS TOTALLY WRONG. JUST BROWSING ALL OVER THE INTERNET ABOUT IT PROVES ME RIGHT.

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.BUT YOU'RE JUST TOO LAZY TO DO THAT RIGHT?

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MAYBE YOU PROVED IT TO YOURSELF, BUT NOT TO THIS FORUM.

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Posted on Feb 2, 2008, 12:41 AM
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SINCE WHEN ARE YOU THE FORUM?

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AND WHAT'S THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN, DID I SAY I'M THE FORUM?

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ESL ALERT! DSP WAS RIGHT. YOU NEED ESL LESSONS, I VOLUNTEER MY SON'S ENGLISH LIT TUTOR.

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ALTHOUGH SHE'S NOT RUSSIAN SHE'S IN HER 20'S

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SO YOU'RE DSP'S GRUNT, IS HE GETTING TO OLD THAT HE NEEDS A SUBSTITUTE?

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WRONG ON ALL COUNTS. ALL I DID WAS READ THIS FORUM.

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YOU PROVED HIM RIGHT!

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FINE, YOU CAN NOW PROCEED TO POST THE PROOFS TO YOUR INCESSANT ACCUSATIONS.

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SENILITY ALERT! PROOF OF LAW WAS POSTED YESTERDAY!

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WRONG, YOU ASSUMED THAT IT WAS APPLICABLE TO ALL CASES.

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KEEP DELUDING YOURSELF THAT IT DOESN'T APPLY HERE.

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.LAUGH NOW. YOU'VE GOT A YEAR TO CRY LATER.

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YOU BELIEVE THAT IT DOES, THAT'S YOUR DELUSION.

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LIKE I SAID KEEP DELUDING YOURSELF. IF IT'S MY DELUSION THEN WHY ARE YOU SO WORRIED?

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ME WORRIED ABOUT YOUR DELUSIONS? NOT MY PROBLEM.

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SO, LIKE I SAID, KEEP DELUDING YOURSELF WITH YOUR PERCEPTION, IT DOESN'T WORRY ME ONE BIT.

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I CAN SAY THAT, WHEN THE SHIITE HITS THE FAN, I DID MY SOMETHING TO KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING...AS WELL AS LET IT HAPPEN :-D

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DON'T WORRY, I'LL MAKE SURE THE FAN IS POINTING AT YOU.

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OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ONE HIT A FAN. LIKE I SAID KEEP DELUDING YOURSELF :-D

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THIS IS GOING TO BE FUN. WATCH WHERE THE SHIITE GOES WHEN IT HITS THE FAN! DOES IT GO TO WHERE THE FAN IS POINTED? OR TO THE ONE POINTING THE FAN?

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GIVE IT A TRY AND LET US KNOW HOW IT FELT GETTING HIT.

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KEEP POINTING THAT FAN AT ME AND YOU WILL KNOW IT YOURSELF.

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NOW I KNOW AND REALIZE I WAS TALKING TO AN IDIOT.

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COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT ALERT!

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SQUABBLES AND FIGHT FOR SPEAKERSHIP HAS CRIPPLED THE LEGISLATIVE ABILITY OF THE HOUSE.

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WHILE THE SENATE IS ENGAGED IN PRODUCTIVE WORK THROUGH ITS PERSISTENT INVESTIGATIONS TO EXPOSE THE ARROYO GOVERNMENT'S CORRUPTION, THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ARE DOING EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE BY ITS CONTINUING FOCUS ON THE OUSTER OF SPEAKER JOSE DE VENECIA.

THE LAST TIME THESE CONGRESSMEN DID SOMETHING WAS WHEN THEY WENT WITH GLORIA ON A SHOPPING TRIP TO EUROPE UNDER THE GUISE OF "EXPANDING THEIR HORIZONS" AND BEFORE THAT, IT WAS THE UNSCHEDULED MEETING AT MALACANANG PALACE TO RECEIVE BROWN BAGS FULL OF MONEY TO PREVENT THE PROGRESS OF THE LATEST IMPEACHMENT MOTION AGAINST HER BY THE OPPOSITION.

IT LOOKS LIKE ITS TIME THAT THE PEOPLE DEMAND THE DISSOLUTION OF THIS MONEY WASTING, GOOD TIMING BODY OF USELESS AND INCOMPETENT POLITICIANS.

NAP

Showdown time

All eyes are on the fight for the Speakership, made more exciting due to the psy-war plays apparently engaged in to the hilt between the two allies of Gloria Arroyo factions, coupled with the coy stand of Gloria, having her Palace aides say one thing favoring Speaker Jose de Venecia Jr. while she has another Palace aide claiming that she is not to stop her sons from their moves to oust De Venecia.

Both factions, however, have threatened to force the issue by Monday, with one insisting on showing the Speaker a manifesto declaring a loss of confidence in him, with a claimed 134 signatories from Congress with the faction urging the Speaker to resign, to provide him with a a graceful exit. The De Venecia camp insists on a floor vote, on nominal voting, saying he not only has the numbers, but the support of Gloria.

Obviously, either way, by Monday, the public will know which way the wind will blow and who is bluffing whom. Either the Speaker stays in his post, or a new Speaker is installed.

But it is also clear that there will have to be consequences for Gloria and her other camp, either way.

For one, her Lakas Party will definitely split up — as it already is, at this time, fractured, with two factions clawing at each other. Depending, of course, on which faction wins this game, the probability of the party being weakened further and marginalized is high.

If Rep. Prospero Nograles gets the Speakership, it is almost certain that eventually, a big number of Lakas members will be sworn into the Kampi party, as Lakas will no longer be seen as a major party.

At the same time, what happens to Kampi as a party once Gloria is gone, whether constitutionally or extra-constitutionally? Besides, in 2010, there will have to be elections, unless, of course, Gloria and her prostituted military stage a Palace coup and retain power unconstitutionally.

Kampi is Gloria, and its members don’t make any bones about it. Gloria is out, Kampi is out, too.

Malacañang aides have claimed that it is not the end of the world for JdV if he loses the Speakership as he will still be the party president.

That’s a pretty stupid reasoning. JdV is now the president of Lakas. If he loses the fight for the Speakership, he can no longer hold the party together.

It is not a secret that Lakas has become a major administration party and JdV assumed the Speakership for years because, one, Fidel Ramos was the president then, after which Gloria Arroyo, then a strong political ally with whom she had no problems, backed him up. In between the Ramos term and the Gloria term, or more specifically, the Estrada years, for another, JdV was out of the congressional picture because he had lost the presidential race. But if Erap was not ousted in 2001, there is doubt that JdV would have been named Speaker then, after he ran and won a seat in Congress.

Also, at the time, Lakas was a very weak party, as most of the congressmen flocked to Estrada’s party or his LAMMP coalition. Everything, of course, changed after his ouster. But what is clear is that political parties in this country become major parties depending on who sits in Malacañang.

Still, if JdV is ousted on Monday, one can expect JdV to be aligned — whether formally or informally — with the minority and more exposés against Gloria can be forthcoming. After all, JdV hasn’t been a Gloria-Ramos ally for over a decade without knowing anything about what goes on in Malacañang.

And there are other ways of getting the beans spilled, as JdV, an old political warhorse that he is, knows only too well.

This Gloria probably suspects already, which is why she continues to play coy while claiming that she is not about to interfere in House matters, to uphold the independence of the House.

That’s pure manure, and the Filipinos know it. What she really wants to happen is for JdV, if he is ousted, to think that she has nothing to do with his ouster.

Similarly, if JdV gets the numbers and is retained as Speaker, she would want him to think that it was because she had supported him in this fight for his life.

That has always been her hypocritical way.

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COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT ALERT!

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It is the citizen's RESPONSIBILITY to know the laws affecting his actions.

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Ignorance of the law has NEVER been accepted by any court as a defense.

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Not even a lowly traffic court. Tsk-tsk-tsk!


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US Code is available free to the public from various OFFICIAL sources, in many formats.

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Interpreting the law for individual use is NOT the government's role.....

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.....unless and until you file a case with a court.

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L.A. TIMES v FREE REPUBLIC.

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LOS ANGELES TIMES v. FREE REPUBLIC

United States District Court

for the Central District of California

2000 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 5669

March 31, 2000

CASE SUMMARY



PROCEDURAL POSTURE: Defendant electronic bulletin board moved for summary judgment in plantiff newpapers' suit alleging defendant's unauthorized copying and posting of plaintiffs' news articles on defendant's site constituted copyright infringement. Plaintiffs filed a cross-motion for partial summary judgment, arguing defendant could not invoke fair use as a defense.



OVERVIEW: Entire text of articles published on plaintiff newspapers' websites were posted on defendants' website so members could add commentary. Plaintiffs sued, alleging unauthorized article copying and posting on defendants' website constituted copyright infringement. Defendants moved for summary judgment, asserting the fair use doctrine. After balancing the fair use factors, plaintiffs' cross-motion for summary judgment was granted. Plaintiffs demonstrated their attempts to exploit the market for viewing their articles online, for selling copies of archived articles, and for licensing others to display or sell the articles; the availability of verbatim copies on defendants' website potentially interfered with these markets. Because the copying was verbatim, encompassed large numbers of articles, and occurred on an almost daily basis, evidence supported finding that defendants engaged in extensive, systematic copying of plaintiffs' works. Although the character of defendants' website was non-commercial, they did not demonstrate that verbatim copying of plaintiffs' articles was necessary to achieve their critical purpose.



OUTCOME: Defendants failed to demonstrate that it was necessary to copy, verbatim, plaintiffs' articles to enable website users to criticize the manner in which the media covered current events. Verbatim posting of plaintiffs' articles was more than was necessary to further defendants' critical purpose.

COUNSEL:

For LOS ANGELES TIMES, WASHINGTON NEWSWEEK INTERACTIVE COMPANY, plaintiffs: Rex S Heinke, Greines Martin Stein & Richland, Beverly Hills, CA.

For WASHINGTON POST COMPANY, plaintiff: Rex S Heinke, Heather L Wayland, Greines Martin Stein & Richland, Beverly Hills, CA.

For JIM ROBINSON, FREE REPUBLIC, ELECTRONIC ORCHARD, defendants: Brian L Buckley, Brian L Buckley Law Offices, Los Angeles, CA.

OPINIONBY:

MARGARET M. MORROW, United States District Judge.

ORDER GRANTING PLAINTIFFS' MOTION FOR PARTIAL SUMMARY JUDGMENT

AND DENYING DEFENDANTS' MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT

Plaintiffs Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post Company publish newspapers in print and online versions. Defendant Free Republic is a "bulletin board" website whose members use the site to post news articles to which they add remarks or commentary. Other visitors to the site then read the articles and add their comments. For the most part, Free Republic members post the entire text of articles in which they are interested; among these are verbatim copies [*2] of articles from the Los Angeles Times and Washington Post websites. Plaintiffs' complaint alleges that the unauthorized copying and posting of the articles on the Free Republic site constitutes copyright infringement.

Defendants have now moved for summary judgment. They assert that the copying of news articles onto their website is protected by the fair use doctrine. Plaintiffs have filed a cross-motion for partial summary judgment, arguing that defendants may not invoke fair use as a defense.

The fair use doctrine, codified at 17 U.S.C. § 107, permits the reproduction of copyrighted works for certain purposes. Section 107 sets forth four nonexclusive factors to be considered in determining whether a defendant's copying is fair use: "(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; (2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work." 17 U.S.C. § 107. Based on the evidence [*3] submitted by the parties, the court concludes that the first, third and fourth factors militate against a finding of fair use in this case. The second factor weighs in defendants' favor. The balance of all factors tips toward plaintiffs, and the court thus finds that defendants are not entitled to assert a fair use defense to the claims of copyright infringement alleged in the complaint.

Defendants also allege that the First Amendment protects the posting of plaintiffs' news articles to their website. They contend that, absent wholesale copying, Free Republic visitors will be unable to express their criticism and comments. There are other methods in which the visitors' rights of free expression can be protected, however, and the court cannot conclude that enforcing plaintiffs' rights under the copyright law impermissibly restricts defendants' right to free speech.

I. FACTUAL BACKGROUND n1

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n1 All parties have filed evidentiary objections to the declarations submitted in support of or opposition to the cross-motions. To the extent the court has considered evidence contained in the declarations, it has ruled on the objections to that evidence and noted its rulings in this order. To the extent evidence contained in the declarations is not mentioned in this order, it has not been considered by the court, and no ruling on the objections is required.

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A. The Parties

Plaintiffs publish the Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post in print and online at "
http://www.latimes.com" and "http://www.washingtonpost.com." n2 Their respective websites contain the current edition of the newspaper, which can be viewed free of charge, and archived articles that users must pay to view. n3 The Times charges $ 1.50 to view an archived article, while the Post charges from $ 1.50 to $ 2.95 depending on the time of day. n4 In addition to income generated in this fashion, the websites also produce advertising and licensing revenue for the papers. n5 Because advertising is sold "CPM" (cost per thousand), the revenue generated from this source depends on the volume of traffic the sites experience during a given period. n6 The parties dispute the extent to which being able to access archived articles at a different site for free affects plaintiffs' ability to advertise, license, and sell the archived articles. n7

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n2 Declaration of Carol Perruso ("Perruso Decl."), P 2; Declaration of Eric Koefoot ("Koefoot Decl."), PP 2-3.

n3 Perruso Decl., P 4; Koefoot Decl., P 4 [*5]

n4 Plaintiffs' Statement of Uncontroverted Facts and Conclusions of Law ("Pls.' Facts"), P 50; Defendants' Response to Plaintiffs' Separate Statement of Uncontroverted Facts ("Defs.' Genuine Issues"), P 50. The price per view figures cited in the text are set forth in the Perruso (Los Angeles Times) and Koefoot (Washington Post) declarations. While defendants have objected to the paragraphs of the declarations in which this information is found, their objection appears to relate to the declarants' assertion that it is not "impractical" to view the full text of an archived article on plaintiffs' websites rather than the Free Republic's site. (See Perruso Decl., P 8; Koefoot Decl., P 8; Defendants' Evidentiary Objections to Declarations of Carol Perruso, Eric Koefoot and Chappell Aldridge ("Defs.' Objections") at 2:7-10, 4:21-24.) The statements concerning the amounts charged for viewing articles on the Times and Post websites are not irrelevant, do not lack foundation, and are not ambiguous, speculative or conclusory. Consequently, to the extent defendants object to this aspect of the declarations, their objections are overruled.

n5 Perruso Decl., PP 10-12; Koefoot Decl., PP 10-12. Defendants object to paragraphs 10 and 12 of the Perruso and Koefoot declarations on the basis that they lack foundation, and are ambiguous, conclusory and speculative. (See Defs.' Objections at 2:12-15, 2:17-22, 4:26-28, 5:3-8.) Perruso and Koefoot are executive officers of their respective companies, and have personal knowledge of company operations and Internet business generally. Each is aware of the sources of revenue generated by their company's website, and of the factors that cause such revenue to increase or decrease. The testimony, which is general in nature and not directed specifically to the impact of the Free Republic site, is not speculative, ambiguous or conclusory. Consequently, defendants' objections to these portions of the Perruso and Koefoot declarations are overruled. [*6]

n6 Pls.' Facts, PP 33, 48; Defs.' Genuine Issues, PP 33, 48.

n7 See Pls.' Facts, PP 49, 51, 52; Defs.' Genuine Issues, PP 49, 51, 52.

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Defendant Jim Robinson is the owner and operator of defendants Electronic Orchard and Free Republic. n8 Although no longer actively engaged in business, Electronic Orchard is a for-profit limited liability company that offers "Internet programming and design services." n9 Free Republic is a limited liability corporation that operates freerepublic.com. n10 The website, which has been operational since 1996, allows registered visitors to "post" news articles and comments concerning them on the site. n11 Registered members may then post additional comments. n12 Free Republic has approximately 20,000 registered participants. The website receives as many as 100,000 hits per day, and between 25 and 50 million page view each month. n13

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n8 Defendants' Exhibits - Vol. 4, Ex. 1009 [Deposition of James Curtis Robinson ("Robinson Depo.")] at 25:6-26:10, 19:16-19. Robinson's son, John, and Amy DeFendis are co-owners of the two companies. (Id. at 25:24-26:10.) [*7]

n9 Id. at 20:2-12; Pls.' Facts, P 24; Defs.' Genuine Issues, P 24.

n10 Robinson Depo. at 26:16-20.

n11 Pls.' Facts, PP 1, 24, 25; Defs.' Genuine Issues, PP 1, 24, 25; Declaration of James Robinson ("Robinson Decl."), P35; Memorandum of Points and Authorities in Support of Defendants' Motion for Summary Judgment ("Defs.' Mot.") at 7:17-24; Declaration of Heather L. Wayland ("Wayland Decl."), Ex. B (D000441, D000445).

n12 See, e.g., Wayland Decl., Ex. D.

n13 Pl.'s Facts, PP 18, 38; Defs.' Genuine Issues, PP 18, 38.

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Plaintiffs contend that "perfect copies" of news articles appearing in their publications and on their websites are posted to the Free Republic site. Defendants maintain that the posted articles are merely "purported copies" of the original, and assert that one can verify that a posting is an exact copy only by visiting plaintiffs' websites. n14 Defendants nonetheless apparently concede that some of the postings are verbatim copies of original articles. n15

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n14 See, e.g., Pls.' Facts, PP 45, 47; Defs.' Genuine Issues, PP 45, 47, 49, 51, 52. [*8]

n15 Defs.' Genuine Issues, PP 45, 47, 49, 51, 52 (". . . With the exception of a very few articles, there is no evidence in the record to establish that the articles are 'perfect copies' as Plaintiffs allege").

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B. Defendants' Profit Or Non-Profit Status

The parties dispute whether Free Republic is a for-profit or not-for-profit entity. n16 Despite this purported disagreement, it appears uncontroverted that Free Republic is presently a for-profit limited liability company. Free Republic's corporate counsel is currently preparing documents seeking tax-exempt status for the Free Republic Institute, a company incorporated on September 27, 1999. n17 Nothing has yet been submitted to the IRS, however, and tax-exempt status has not been granted. n18

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n16 See Pls.' Facts, P 23; Defs.' Genuine Issues, P 23; Defendants' Separate Statement of Uncontroverted Facts ("Defs.' Facts"), P 6; Plaintiffs' Response to Defendants' Separate Statement of Uncontroverted Facts ("Pls.' Genuine Issues"), P 6.

n17 Free Republic Institute will apparently assume responsibility for operation of the website, freerepublic.com. (See Robinson Depo. at 98:15-21.) [*9]

n18 See Declaration of Harold Szabo ("Szabo Decl."), PP 3-6. Plaintiffs object to the Szabo Declaration on the basis that it is irrelevant, vague and ambiguous, without foundation, conclusory, and speculative, and that it offers improper opinion testimony to the extent it suggests tax-exempt status will be granted. (See Plaintiffs' Evidentiary Objections to Declarations of Richard L. Stout and Howard K. Szabo ("Pls.' Objections") at 11:21-15:19.) These objections are overruled as Szabo has personal knowledge of his retention, the work he was asked to perform, and the tasks he has completed to date. Thus, the statements he offers concerning the incorporation of Free Republic Institute and the status of his work on the tax-exempt application are neither vague, ambiguous, speculative or conclusory. Additionally, Szabo offers no opinions concerning the ultimate outcome of the application for tax-exempt status. Finally, while plaintiffs dispute the relevance of the information set forth in Szabo's declaration, this objection is not an attack on the admissibility of the evidence. Rather, it is argument concerning the legal import of the information Szabo provides. Consequently, there is no basis for striking the declaration.

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Defendants contend that Robinson was not paid to create the Free Republic website, that he receives no salary from the entity, and that he receives almost no compensation for posting banners or links on the site. n19 Plaintiffs counter that Free Republic earns revenue through commercial advertising, merchandise sales, saleable consumer data, donations, "voluntary" subscriptions, and membership dues. n20 They also assert that Robinson uses the Free Republic site to advertise Electronic Orchard's services. n21

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n19 Robinson Depo. at 24:1-8, 27:18-28:23, 38:4-40:12.

n20 Pls.' Facts, PP 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 34, 35.

n21 Pls.' Facts, PP 27, 28. Plaintiffs additionally note that the Free Republic website uses a ".com" domain name of the type generally employed by commercial entities. (Pls.' Facts, P 26.) Defendants dispute the relevance of this fact, noting that use of a ".com" domain name does not indicate whether their business is for-profit or not-for-profit. (Defs.' Genuine Issues, P 26; Supplemental Declaration of Richard Stout ("Supp. Stout Decl."), PP 35-38.)

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Defendants dispute these claims, contending that they have received no advertising revenue, commissions or donations for permitting various individuals and entities to place links on the freerepublic.com site. They assert, in fact, that the links have in some instances been posted on the site by third-party users. n22 Defendants also contend that Electronic Orchard has received no business or financial benefit from any links appearing on the Free Republic website, and that Robinson has placed links for Electronic Orchard customers there solely as a courtesy. n23 Defendants maintain that Free Republic does not collect consumer data, and that it has not sold any information regarding its registered users to any other entity. n24 Additionally, they contend they have no connection with membership organizations of Free Republic supporters, and receive no benefit from dues revenue generated by these groups. n25 Defendants concede, however, that Free Republic has facilitated links to web pages run by third-party supporters where donations to Free Republic and/or Robinson are solicited. They also acknowledge that the website carries links to third-party web pages that offer Free Republic-related [*12] souvenir items in exchange for donations. n26

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n22 Defs.' Genuine Issues, PP 32, 34.

n23 See Defs.' Genuine Issues, PP 27, 28,

n24 Defs.' Genuine Issues, P 35.

n25 Defs.' Genuine Issues, P 31.

n26 See Defs.' Genuine Issues, PP 29, 30.

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C. The Impact Of The Free Republic Site On Traffic At Plaintiffs' Websites

The parties also dispute whether the posting of plaintiffs' news articles to the Free Republic site causes an increase or decrease in traffic at the Times and Post websites, whether it diminishes the available market for sale of plaintiffs' news articles, and whether it has a negative impact on plaintiffs' ability to license the works. Defendants assert that plaintiffs' websites actually gain viewers because people go to them after visiting the Free Republic site. n27 Plaintiffs maintain they lose traffic when Internet users read an article posted on freerepublic.com rather than visiting the Times or Post websites. They further assert that their ability to sell copies of the archived [*13] articles and their ability to license the works is diminished by having copies made freely available on the Free Republic site. n28

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n27 Defs.' Genuine Issues, PP 49, 51, 52. As support, defendants rely, in part, on the Declaration of Rick Stout. Plaintiffs have filed objections to portions of this declaration, only certain of which are pertinent here. (See Pls.' Objections at 3:8-11:19.) Specifically, plaintiffs object to paragraphs 46, 50 and 51 on the basis that they lack foundation and are irrelevant, conclusory, speculative, vague and ambiguous. Plaintiffs' objections to paragraph 46 are overruled, as Stout has demonstrated that he is qualified to offer an opinion concerning the traffic moving from the Free Republic site to the Times site, and has offered a detailed explanation of his methodology in the preceding paragraphs of the declaration. As respects paragraphs 50 and 51, it is true that the opinions set forth therein are general. Stout's qualifications and his specific expertise in analyzing Internet traffic permits him to offer an opinion concerning the relative impact of freerepublic.com on plaintiffs' websites, however, and the generalized nature of the conclusions found in these paragraphs goes to their weight rather than their admissibility. [*14]

n28 Pls.' Facts, PP 49, 51, 52. Plaintiffs support these contentions with citations to the Perruso, Koefoot and Aldridge Declarations. Defendants object to the relevant portions of these declarations on the basis that they lack foundation, are speculative, conclusory, and ambiguous, and assume facts not in evidence. The relevant statements are found at paragraph 21 of the Perruso, and Koefoot Declarations, and paragraphs 3-6 of the Aldridge Declaration. In his declaration, Chappell Aldridge details a search he made for an article on the Post website and his retrieval of the full text of the article on the Free Republic site. The testimony is based on personal knowledge, and is not speculative, conclusory or ambiguous. Consequently, the court overrules defendants' objections to the Aldridge declaration, with the exception that the court has not considered the argumentative statement that this method of accessing articles is "a dodge . . . available to anyone." As respects the Perruso and Koefoot Declarations, each is an executive officer of his or her respective company, and each thus has personal knowledge of company operations and Internet business generally. This knowledge provides a sufficient foundation for the expression of the opinions set forth in the declarations concerning the impact of freerepublic.com on traffic at the Times and Post sites. The generalized nature of the opinions offered goes to their weight rather than their admissibility. Consequently, defendants' objections to these portions of the Perruso, Koefoot and Aldridge declarations are overruled.

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II. DISCUSSION

A. Legal Standard Governing Motions For Summary Judgment

A motion for summary judgment must be granted when "the pleadings, depositions, answers to interrogatories, and admissions on file, together with the affidavits, if any, show that there is no genuine issue as to any material fact and that the moving party is entitled to a judgment as a matter of law." Fed.R.Civ.P. 56(c). A party seeking summary judgment bears the initial burden of informing the court of the basis for its motion and of identifying those portions of the pleadings and discovery responses which demonstrate the absence of a genuine issue of material fact. See Celotex Corp. v. Catrett, 477 U.S. 317, 323, 91 L. Ed. 2d 265, 106 S. Ct. 2548 (1986). Where the moving party will have the burden of proof on an issue at trial, the movant must affirmatively demonstrate that no reasonable trier of fact could find other than for the moving party. On an issue as to which the nonmoving party will have the burden of proof at trial, however, the movant can prevail merely by pointing out that there is an absence of evidence to support the nonmoving party's case. See id. If the moving [*16] party meets its initial burden, the nonmoving party must then set forth, by affidavit or as otherwise provided in Rule 56, "specific facts showing that there is a genuine issue for trial." Anderson v. Liberty Lobby, Inc., 477 U.S. 242, 250, 91 L. Ed. 2d 202, 106 S. Ct. 2505 (1986); Fed.R.Civ.P. 56(e).

In judging evidence at the summary judgment stage, the court does not make credibility determinations or weigh conflicting evidence. Rather, it draws all inferences in the light most favorable to the nonmoving party. See T.W. Electric Service, Inc. v. Pacific Electric Contractors Ass'n, 809 F.2d 626, 630-31 (9th Cir.1987). The evidence presented by the parties must be admissible. Fed.R.Civ.P. 56(e). Conclusory, speculative testimony in affidavits and moving papers is not sufficient to raise genuine issues of fact and defeat summary judgment. See Falls Riverway Realty, Inc. v. Niagara Falls, 754 F.2d 49, 56 (2d Cir.1985); Thornhill Pub. Co., Inc. v. GTE Corp., 594 F.2d 730, 738 (9th Cir.1979).

Fair use is a mixed question of law and fact. Harper & Row, Publishers, Inc. v. Nation Enter., 471 U.S. 539, 560, 85 L. Ed. 2d 588, 105 S. Ct. 2218 (1985). [*17] It is nonetheless proper to decide the issue at the summary judgment stage if the historical facts are undisputed and the only question is the proper legal conclusion to be drawn from those facts. Narell v. Freeman, 872 F.2d 907, 910 (9th Cir. 1989) ("Fair use is a mixed question of law and fact that may be resolved on summary judgment if a reasonable trier of fact could reach only one conclusion"); Hustler Magazine, Inc. v. Moral Majority, Inc., 796 F.2d 1148, 1151 (9th Cir. 1986) ("If there are no genuine issues of material fact, or if, even after resolving all issues in favor of the opposing party, a reasonable trier of fact can reach only one conclusion, a court may conclude as a matter of law whether the challenged use qualifies as a fair use of the copyrighted work"); Fisher v. Dees, 794 F.2d 432, 436 (9th Cir. 1986) (fair use issue was properly resolved on summary judgment because "no material historical facts [were] at issue in this case [and t]he parties disputed only the ultimate conclusions to be drawn from the admitted facts").

B. Elements Of Copyright Infringement

"Copyright law protects an author's expression; [*18] facts and ideas within a work are not protected." Shaw v. Lindheim, 919 F.2d 1353, 1356 (9th Cir. 1990). See also Sid & Marty Krofft Television Productions v. McDonald's Corp., 562 F.2d 1157, 1163 (9th Cir. 1977) ("It is an axiom of copyright law that the protection granted to a copyrighted work extends only to the particular expression of the idea and never to the idea itself. Copyright infringement is established by demonstrating (1) ownership of a valid copyright and (2) copying of the original elements of the protected work. Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service Co., 499 U.S. 340, 361, 113 L. Ed. 2d 358, 111 S. Ct. 1282 (1991); Kouf v. Walt Disney Pictures & Television, 16 F.3d 1042, 1043, n. 2 (9th Cir. 1994). To prove copying, plaintiffs must show that defendants had access to the copyrighted work and that there is a substantial similarity between the copyrighted work and defendants' work. Brown Bag Software v. Symantec Corp., 960 F.2d 1465, 1472 (9th Cir.1992); Chase-Riboud v. Dreamworks, Inc., 987 F. Supp. 1222, 1224 (C.D.Cal. 1997).

Before proceeding to the substance [*19] of the parties' motions, it is important to state what issues are not before the court at this time. Because the parties address the availability of a defense to copyright infringement, their motions assume for present purposes that such a claim can be proved. The court expresses no opinion as to whether this is so, given that the "copying" of news articles at issue in this case is to a large extent copying by third-party users of the Free Republic site. The court also makes no determination as to whether plaintiffs have in any manner consented to the copying of their articles. n29

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n29 Defendants Robinson and Free Republic admit that they have personally posted certain of plaintiffs' articles on the Free Republic site. (See Defs.' Genuine Issues, P 9.) Because several thousand articles have been posted to the site, however, defendants assert that much of the posting has been done by registered third-party users. (See Pls.' Facts, PP 10, 41; Defs.' Genuine Issues, PP 10, 41). Plaintiffs contend that defendants provide instructions and tools that permit third-party copying, that they have the ability to control what is posted on their website, and that they have removed certain postings from time to time. (Pls.' Facts, PP 11, 12, 13.) Defendants agree that they have the technical ability to remove material from the site, but argue that it is not feasible to monitor the large quantity of daily postings the site receives. (Defs.' Genuine Issues, PP 12, 13.) They do not respond directly to the assertion that they provide tools and instructions that permit third parties to copy plaintiffs' articles; rather, they acknowledge that "the Free Republic web site provides a virtual 'bulletin board' forum which enables and allows registered users to post whatever content they wish." (Defs.' Genuine Issues, P 11.) Whether defendants' operation of the Free Republic website, and the posting by third parties of verbatim copies of plaintiffs' copyrighted news articles renders defendants liable for copyright infringement is not an issue decided in this order. Similarly, the court does not address defendants' assertion that plaintiffs' posting of the articles on their websites constitutes implied consent for others to copy the works. (See Defs.' Genuine Issues, PP 6, 7, 9, 10, 11.)

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C. The Fair Use Defense

The fair use defense is a limitation on the exclusive right of a copyright owner "to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies." 17 U.S.C. § 106(1). It is codified at 17 U.S.C. § 107, which provides:

"Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include --

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact [*21] that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors."

Because fair use is an affirmative defense to a claim of infringement, defendants carry the burden of proof on the issue. American Geophysical Union v. Texaco Inc., 60 F.3d 913, 918 (2d Cir. 1995); Columbia Pictures v. Miramax Films Corp., 11 F. Supp. 2d 1179, 1187 (C.D.Cal. 1998) ("because fair use is an affirmative defense, Defendants bear the burden of proof on all of its factors"). See also Dr. Seuss Enterprises, L.P. v. Penguin Books USA, Inc., 109 F.3d 1394, 1403 (9th Cir.), cert. dismissed, 521 U.S. 1146 (1997).

1. The Purpose And Character Of The Use

The first factor listed in § 107 is "the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes." 17 U.S.C. § 107. This factor assesses whether "the new work 'merely supersedes the objects' of the original creation, or instead adds something new, with a further purpose or different character, altering the first with new expression, [*22] meaning, or message; it asks, in other words, whether and to what extent the new work is 'transformative.'" Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc., 510 U.S. 569, 579, 127 L. Ed. 2d 500, 114 S. Ct. 1164 (1995) (quoting Folsom v. Marsh, 9 F. Cas. 342, 348 (D.Mass. 1841)). ". . .The more transformative the new work, the less will be the significance of other factors, like commercialism, that may weigh against a finding of fair use." Campbell, supra, 510 U.S. at 579.

Inquiry concerning the character and purpose of a challenged use should be guided by the examples provided in the statute -- i.e., whether the use was for purposes of "criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching . . ., scholarship, or research." 17 U.S.C. § 107; Campbell, supra. The list, however, is not intended to be exhaustive or to single out any particular use as presumptively fair. Harper & Row, supra, 471 U.S. at 561. Indeed, the fact that a use falls within one of these categories "is simply one factor in [the] fair use analysis." Id. Similarly, while the statute draws a distinction between non-profit and [*23] commercial use, not every commercial use of a copyrighted work is presumptively unfair. Campbell, supra, 510 U.S. at 579.

a. The Purpose Of Free Republic's Use And The Extent To Which Its Work Is Transformative

There is no dispute that at least some of the items posted on the Free Republic website are exact copies of plaintiffs' articles. n30 While defendants assert there is "no evidence" that all of the Times and Post articles that have been posted are verbatim copies, n31 the evidence they have presented reveals that, generally, exact copies of whole or substantial portions of articles n32 are posted. n33

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n30 See Defendants' Exhibits - Vol. 4, Ex. 1009 at 53:8-54:3.

n31 See Defs.' Genuine Issues, PP 45, 46, 47 ("with the exception of a very few articles, there is no evidence in the record to establish that the articles are 'perfect copies' as Plaintiffs allege").

n32 Copying excerpts from the articles would satisfy the "copying" element of plaintiffs' copyright claim. See Nihon Keizai Shimbun, Inc. v. Comline Business Data, Inc., 166 F.3d 65, 70-71 (2d Cir. 1999) (holding that there was substantial similarity between defendants' abstracts and plaintiffs' news stories because the "abstracts appeared to be direct, if not word-for-word, translations of the Nikkei articles, edited only for clarity," to "use[ ] about two-thirds of the protectable material in the corresponding Nikkei article," to "track the information in the articles sentence by sentence, in sequence," occasionally "combining two Nikkei sentences, dividing a sentence, or rearranging the facts among different sentences," and to "adopt[ ], by and large, the exact same structure and organization of the facts reported by Nikkei"). See also Wainwright Sec. Inc. v. Wall St. Transcript Corp., 558 F.2d 91, 93-94 and n. 1 (2d Cir. 1977) (the court held that defendant had infringed plaintiff's copyrights by summarizing its analytical financial reports because it "appropriated almost verbatim the most creative and original aspects of the reports, the financial analyses and predictions, which represent a substantial investment of time, money and labor"), cert. denied, 434 U.S. 1014, 54 L. Ed. 2d 759, 98 S. Ct. 730 (1978). [*24]

n33 See Defendants' Exhibits - Vol. 2, Exs. 1006; Vol. 3, 1007; Vol. 4, Ex. 1009 at 55:14-18 (Robinson's testimony that "[most people do not summarize" but post full text articles). Defendants contend that the only way to determine if the items posted to the Free Republic site are verbatim copies is to conduct a side-by-side comparison of the posting and the original article. Defendants bear the burden of proof on the issue of fair use. To the extent they wish to argue that something other than whole articles or substantial portions of articles are posted, they must adduce evidence that this is so. As noted, their evidence supports a contrary conclusion.

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There is little transformative about copying the entirety or large portions of a work verbatim. See Nihon Keizai Shimbun, supra, 166 F.3d at 72 (where the infringing news abstracts were "for the most part direct translations of Nikkei articles," the court held that the first factor "weighed strongly against fair use"); Infinity Broadcast Corp. v. Kirkwood, 150 F.3d 104, 108 (2d Cir. 1998) (holding that "there [*25] [was] no transformation" where defendant retransmitted original broadcasts over the telephone); Los Angeles News Service v. Reuters Television Int'l, 149 F.3d 987, 993 (9th Cir. 1998) (defendant's unauthorized copying of news footage "was not very transformative" because it did "not explain the footage, edit the content of the footage, or include editorial comment"); Sundeman v. The Seajay Society, Inc., 142 F.3d 194, 205-06 (4th Cir. 1998) (while it does not preclude a finding of fair use, "copying an entire work weighs against [such a] finding"); Princeton University Press v. Michigan Document Service, 99 F.3d 1381, 1389 (6th Cir. 1996) ("If you make verbatim copies of 95 pages of a 316-page book, you have not transformed the 95 pages very much -- even if you juxtapose them to excerpts from other works and package everything conveniently. This kind of mechanical 'transformation' bears little resemblance to the creative metamorphosis accomplished by the parodists in the Campbell case"), cert. denied, 520 U.S. 1156, 117 S. Ct. 1336, 137 L. Ed. 2d 495 (1997); Religious Technology Center v. Netcom On-Line Communication Services, Inc., 923 F. Supp. 1231, 1243 (N.D.Cal. 1995) [*26] ("Netcom On-Line II") (defendant's posting of plaintiffs' copyrighted material on the Internet was "only minimally transformative since, unlike the typical critic, [defendant] adds little new expression to the Church's works"). As the Supreme Court said in Campbell, supra:

"Whether 'a substantial portion of the infringing work was copied verbatim' from the copyrighted work is a relevant question, . . . for it may reveal a dearth of transformative character or purpose under the first factor, or a greater likelihood of market harm under the fourth; a work composed primarily of an original, particularly its heart, with little added or changed, is more likely to be a merely superseding use, fulfilling demand for the original." Campbell, supra, 510 U.S. at 587-88.

See also 3 M. and D. Nimmer, NIMMER ON COPYRIGHT, § 13.05[D][1] ("whatever the intent of the copier, a verbatim reproduction will of necessity serve the function of the plaintiff's work").

Defendants proffer two reasons why their full text copying of plaintiffs' articles is nonetheless transformative. First, they assert that the copies of the articles found on the Free [*27] Republic site do not in reality substitute for the originals found on plaintiffs' web pages. Second, they contend they copy no more than necessary to fulfill their purpose of criticizing the manner in which the media covers current events and politics. Each of these contentions will be examined in turn.

Defendants' first argument -- that the copies of plaintiffs' articles found on the Free Republic site do not substitute for those on plaintiffs' sites -- focuses on readers' ability to access and review specific articles in which they are interested. Defendants contend that using the Free Republic site to read current articles would be impractical since there is a delay between the time information is posted to the site and the time it is indexed by third-party search engines. Additionally, they assert that the imprecision of search language makes it difficult to locate archived articles at the site. n34 These arguments overlook the fact that the Free Republic site has its own search engine that apparently has immediate search capability. n35

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n34 See Defs.' Mot. at 11:14-12:3. See also Supp. Stout Decl., PP 4-25. [*28]

n35 See Defendants' Exhibits - Vol. 4, Exs. 1002, 1003; Aldridge Decl., P 5.

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Even were this not true, the articles posted on the Free Republic site ultimately serve the same purpose as "that [for which] one would normally seek to obtain the original -- to have it available . . . for ready reference if and when [website visitors adding comments] need[] to look at it." American Geophysical Union v. Texaco, Inc., 60 F.3d 913, 918 (2d Cir. 1995) (the court held that the first fair use factor weighed against a defendant that encouraged its employees to make unauthorized photocopies of articles in scientific and medical journals and keep them in their offices for ready reference).

Defendants' web page acknowledges this. It states, inter alia, that the Free Republic site is a place where visitors "can often find breaking news and up to the minute updates." n36 Indeed, it is clear from the content of the representative pages submitted by defendants that visitors can read copies of plaintiffs' current and archived articles at the Free Republic site. For those who visit the [*29] site regularly, therefore, the articles posted there serve as substitutes for the originals found on plaintiffs' websites or in their newspapers.

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Defendants next argue that their use of plaintiffs' works is transformative because registered Free Republic users add comments and criticism concerning the articles following a posting. Copying portions of a copyrighted work for the purpose of criticism or commentary is often considered fair use. See Twin Peaks Productions, Inc. v. Publications Int'l, Ltd., 996 F.2d 1366, 1375 (9th Cir. 1993) ("Inevitably, some identification of the subject matter of a writing must occur before any useful comment may be made about it, and it is not uncommon for works serving a fair use purpose to give at least a brief indication of the plot. Works of criticism, teaching, and news reporting customarily do so"). The fact that criticism is involved, however, does end the inquiry. See Harper & Row, supra, 471 U.S. at 561 [*30] (list contained in § 107 is not intended to be exhaustive or to single out any particular use as presumptively fair); Sony Corp., supra, 464 U.S. 417 at 452 ("even copying for noncommercial purposes may impair the copyright holder's ability to obtain the rewards that Congress intended him to have"). Rather, it must be considered in combination with other circumstances to determine if the first factor favors defendants. See Twin Peaks, supra, 996 F.2d at 1375-76 ("'Purpose' in fair use analysis is not an all-or-nothing matter. The issue is not simply whether a challenged work serves one of the non-exclusive purposes identified in section 107, such as comment or criticism, but whether it does so to an insignificant or a substantial extent. The weight ascribed to the 'purpose' factor involves a more refined assessment than the initial, fairly easy decision that a work serves a purpose illustrated by the categories listed in section 107").

Since the first posting of an article to the Free Republic site often contains little or no commentary, it does not significantly transform plaintiffs' work. In Netcom On-Line II, supra, defendant posted [*31] verbatim copies of works copyrighted by the Church of Scientology to an Internet website "with little or no added comment or criticism." 923 F. Supp. at 1243. The court found that the works were only "minimally transformative" because "unlike the typical critic, [defendant] added little new expression to the Church's works." Id. The court specifically rejected defendant's argument that his copying was fair use because subsequent visitors added further comments. It concluded that while the copying of "works that were previously posted by their authors on the basis of an implied license or fair use argument" might be justified, such a defense would not be available "where the first posting made an unauthorized copy of a copyrighted work." Id. at 1247, n.18. n37

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n37 While the court made this observation in analyzing the third fair use factor, it is equally relevant in evaluating the extent to which a particular work is transformative.

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Similarly, in Religious Technology Center v. [*32] Lerma, 1996 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 15454, 1996 WL 633131 (E.D.Va. 1996), n38 defendant downloaded or scanned into his computer portions of works copyrighted by the Church of Scientology. He then posted segments of the works on the Internet. Id. at *4. Defendant argued that his use was transformative, because he was a "dedicated researcher delving into the theory and scholarship of Scientology," and was "providing materials which 'add new value to public knowledge and understanding, thereby advancing the goals of copyright as set forth in the Constitution.'" Id. at *5. The court rejected this argument, noting that it did "not justify the wholesale copying and republication of copyrighted material," and concluding that "the degree of copying by [defendant] combined with the absence of commentary on most of his Internet postings, is inconsistent with the scholarship exception." Id. n39

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n38 The court believes that Netcom On-Line II and Lerma are more pertinent to analysis of defendants' fair use defense than the decision in Religious Technology Center v. Netcom On-Line Communication Services, Inc., 907 F. Supp. 1361 (N.D.Cal. 1995) ("Netcom On-Line I"). In Netcom On-Line I, the court considered the fair use defense of Internet access provider Netcom On-Line. In doing so, it distinguished Netcom's involvement in the posting of copyrighted works from that of the individual who actually posted copies of the works to a Usenet newsgroup. The poster gained access to the web through a bulletin board service that was not directly linked to the Internet, but that connected through the facilities of Netcom On-Line. See id. at 1365-66. The court stated: "The proper focus here is on whether Netcom's actions qualify as fair use, not on whether Erlich himself engaged in fair use; the court has already found that Erlich was not likely entitled to his own fair use defense, as his postings contained large portions of plaintiffs' published and unpublished works quoted verbatim with little added commentary." Id. at 1378. Despite the commercial nature of Netcom's function as an Internet access provider, the court found that the first fair use factor weighed in its favor, inter alia, because (1) "its financial incentive [was] unrelated to the infringing activity and [it] received no direct financial benefit from the acts of infringement"; (2) "there [was] no easy way for a defendant like Netcom to secure a license for carrying every possible type of copyrighted work onto the Internet," and thus it "should not be seen as 'profiting from the exploitation of the copyrighted work without paying the customary prices'"; (3) Netcom did not "directly gain anything from the content of the information available to its subscribers on the Internet"; and (4) it did not "provide the files or solicit infringing works." Id. at 1379. Here, defendants admit that they themselves post copies of plaintiffs' new articles to the Free Republic site. Additionally, their relationship to the site, and to the material posted, is significantly more direct than that of Netcom, a company that maintains a software system that automatically forwards messages received from subscribers onto the Usenet, and temporarily stores copies of the messages on its system in the process. See id. at 1368. [*33]

n39 The decision in Religious Technology Center v. F.A.C.T.NET, Inc., 901 F. Supp. 1519 (D.Colo. 1995) is not to the contrary. There, because the matter before it was a motion for preliminary injunction, the court did not make final legal rulings, but merely assessed the likelihood that plaintiff would prevail on the merits. Defendant in the case, F.A.C.T.NET, was a nonprofit corporation that maintained a library of materials concerning the Church of Scientology. Certain of its materials were posted on an Internet bulletin board by Arnaldo Lerma (the defendant in the case cited in text). Id. at 1521-22. Focusing heavily on the fact that it had copied the works for inclusion in its private library, the court found that F.A.C.T.NET was likely to prevail on its fair use defense. See id. at 1524. As respects its possible involvement in supplying materials to Lerma for Internet posting (an involvement F.A.C.T.NET denied), the court noted evidence that the postings "were made in the context of ongoing dialogue in [a] particular newsgroup," and that they "formed part of the topical debate concerning whether the Works are of substance or are perpetuated as part of systemic mind control." Id. at 1526. Because plaintiff had adduced no evidence "showing a likelihood that a follower of the Church would consider the postings by Lerma as a market substitute for the Works," nor any demonstrating that the postings "were of a commercial nature or had any effect on the potential market for the works," the court held they might "well be considered as having been made for the purposes of criticism, comment or research falling within the fair use doctrine." Id. Given the limited nature of the evidence before it, the F.A.C.T.NET court's "preliminary" findings are substantially less persuasive than, and cannot be said to contradict, the Lerma court's direct and detailed analysis of Lerma's posting activities.

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Additionally, even where copying serves the "criticism, comment and news reporting" purposes highlighted in § 107, its extent cannot exceed what is necessary to the purpose. See Twin Peaks, supra, 996 F.2d at 1375-76 (the fact that defendant "detailed . . . the plots [of episodes of a television series]. . . far beyond merely identifying their basic outline for the transformative purposes of comment or criticism" weighed against a finding of fair use because the "abridgment . . . elaborated in detail far beyond what is required to serve any legitimate [transformative] purpose"); Toho Co., Ltd. v. William Morrow and Co., Inc., 33 F. Supp. 2d 1206, 1217 (C.D.Cal. 1998) (relying, inter alia, on the fact that the infringing work contained detailed plot summaries of the Godzilla movies to find that the first fair use factor weighed heavily in favor of a copyright plaintiff, despite the fact that the work also contained "numerous biographies [and] analyses of the movies, including commentary, trivia and other bits of information"). Thus, an individualized assessment of the purpose for which defendants are copying the works and a comparison of [*35] that purpose to the amount copied is required. See Campbell, supra, 510 U.S. at 586-87 ("we recognize that the extent of permissible copying varies with the purpose and character of the use"); Sundeman, supra, 142 F.3d at 205-05 (same). See also Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc., 464 U.S. 417, 449-50, 78 L. Ed. 2d 574, 104 S. Ct. 774 (1984) (reproduction of an entire television program did "not have its ordinary effect of militating against a finding of fair use" where programs were videotaped for home viewing); Harper & Row, supra, 471 U.S. at 564 ("Even substantial quotations might qualify as fair use in a review of a published work or a news account of a speech").

Here, it seems clear that the primary purpose of the postings to the Free Republic site is to facilitate discussion, criticism and comment by registered visitors. Defendants contend that copying all or parts of articles verbatim is necessary to facilitate this purpose. n40 They argue that full text posting is required because links expire after a week or two, and because unsophisticated Internet users will have difficulty [*36] accessing a linked site. n41 Defendants' assertion that links expire after a period of time is presumably a reference to the fact that articles are available on plaintiffs' websites free of charge only for a certain number of days. Thereafter, there is a charge for viewing and/or printing them. That this is so does not make linking plaintiffs' websites to the Free Republic site "impractical." It merely requires that Free Republic visitors pay a fee for viewing plaintiffs' articles just as other members of the public do. Similarly, defendants' suggestion that articles are posted to the Free Republic site long after they are published is not supported by the representative postings they have submitted. n42 These reflect that the vast majority of comments are posted the same day the articles appear or within one to three days afterwards. n43 Finally, defendants' assertion that unsophisticated Internet users would be confused by links is unpersuasive. Linking is familiar to most Internet users, even those who are new to the web.

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n40 See Defs.' Mot. at 17:21-23. See also id. at 12:20-23; 13:20-21; Defs.' Genuine Issues, P 42; Defendants' Exhibits - Vol. 4, Ex. 1009 at 75:12-76:20. [*37]

n41 Defs.' Genuine Issues, P 42.

n42 See id., P 42.

n43 See Defendants' Exhibits - Vol. 2, Ex. 1006; Vol. 3, Ex. 1007.

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As evidence that verbatim copying is in fact not necessary to defendants' purpose, plaintiffs cite the fact that defendants provided a hypertext link to Jewish World Review's website at its request, and requested that registered Free Republic visitors no longer copy the publication's articles verbatim. n44 That defendants accommodated Jewish World Review belies their current contention that only verbatim posting of articles will serve the criticism and comment purposes of the Free Republic site. Indeed, they acknowledge that honoring Jewish World Review's request "did not significantly detract from the purpose of the freerepublic.com website." n45

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n44 See Wayland Decl., Ex. Q.

n45 Defs. Genuine Issues, P 43. While defendants dispute the proposition that "widespread use of such 'links' would not significantly detract from the purpose of the freerepublic.com site, . . . and contend that there is controverting evidence," none of the evidence they cite in support addresses the subject.

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The fact that linking the text of an article as it appears on plaintiffs' websites to the Free Republic site, or summarizing the article's text, is not as easy or convenient for Free Republic users as full text posting does not render the practice a fair use. Rather, the focus of the inquiry must be whether verbatim copying is necessary to defendants' critical purpose. See Campbell, supra, 510 U.S. at 586-87; Castle Rock Entertainment, Inc. v. Carol Publishing Group, Inc., 150 F.3d 132, 144 (2d Cir. 1998) ("The inquiry must focus upon whether 'the extent of . . . copying' is consistent with or more than necessary to further 'the purpose and character of the use'"); Rogers v. Koons, 960 F.2d 301, 311 (2d Cir. 1992) ("It is not fair use when more of the original is copied than necessary"); Walt Disney Prods. v. Air Pirates, 581 F.2d 751, 758 (9th Cir. 1978) ("while other factors in the fair use calculus may not be sufficient by themselves to preclude the fair use defense, . . . excessive copying precludes fair use").

Defendants have not met their burden of demonstrating that verbatim copying of all or a substantial [*39] portion of plaintiffs' articles is necessary to achieve their critical purpose. They argue that the purpose of full text posting is to enable Free Republic users to criticize the manner in which the media covers current events. n46 The statement or purpose found on the website, however, is somewhat different. There, defendants state that visitors to the Free Republic site "are encouraged to comment on the news of the day . . . and . . . to contribute whatever information they may have to help others better understand a particular story." n47 In fact, a review of the representative articles submitted by defendants reveals that visitors' commentary focuses much more on the news of the day than it does on the manner in which the media reports that news. n48 This is significant, since the extent of copying that might be necessary to comment on the nature of the media's coverage of a news event is arguably greater than the amount needed to facilitate comment on the event itself. Commentary on news events requires only recitation of the underlying facts, not verbatim repetition of another's creative expression of those facts in a news article. So too, the fact that a particular [*40] media outlet published a given story, or approached that story from a particular angle can be communicated to a large degree without posting a full text copy of the report. n49 For this reason, the court concludes that verbatim posting of plaintiffs' articles is "more than is necessary" to further defendants' critical purpose. See Castle Rock Entertainment, supra, 150 F.3d at 144. See also Hustler Magazine, Inc. v. Moral Majority, Inc., 796 F.2d 1148, 1153 (9th Cir. 1986) (examining whether defendant copied "more than was necessary" in responding to a parody).

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n46 Defs. Mot. at 12:20-22; 17:21-23.

n47 Wayland Decl., Ex. C (D000448).

n48 See Defendants' Exhibits - Vol. 2, Ex. 1006; Vol. 3, Ex. 1007.

n49 Indeed, a few Free Republic visitors summarize the content of news articles rather than post verbatim copies of the text with little apparent impact on the quantity and quality of the commentary their postings attract. (See, e.g., Defendants' Exhibits - Vol. 2, Ex. 1006 at 24-25.)

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For all these reasons, the court concludes that defendants' use of plaintiffs' articles is minimally, if at all, transformative.

b. Commercial Nature Of The Free Republic Website

In addition to examining defendants' purpose in copying plaintiffs' articles, the first fair use factor also directs that the court evaluate the "character" of the use. The mere fact that a use is commercial does not "give rise to a presumption of unfairness." Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc. v. Connectix Corp., 203 F.3d 596, 606 (9th Cir. 2000). See also Campbell, supra, 510 U.S. at 584-85 (noting that the Court's earlier decision in Sony, supra, 464 U.S. at 451, "called for no hard evidentiary presumption"). Rather, a defendant's commercial purpose is only "a separate factor that tends to weigh against a finding of fair use." Campbell, supra, 510 U.S. at 585. Thus, a court evaluating the first fair use factor "must weigh the extent of any transformation . . . against the significance of other factors, including commercialism, that militate against fair use." Sony Computer, supra, 203 F.3d at 607. [*42]

The parties vigorously dispute whether defendants' operation of the Free Republic website is a profit or non-profit venture as those terms are used in § 107. Their disagreement focuses on the corporate status of Free Republic, and on the extent to which defendants' operation of the website generates revenue, donations, and commissions.

Defendants argue that Free Republic is a non-profit organization and that they make no money from operating the website. The undisputed evidence reveals that Free Republic is currently a for-profit company. It also demonstrates that Free Republic solicits donations from visitors to the website who wish to support its mission and operations. n50 In addition to these direct solicitations, defendants concede that they have facilitated links to third-party web pages where donations to Free Republic and/or Robinson are requested, and where donors receive Free Republic-related souvenir items in exchange for a contribution. n51

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n50 See Wayland Decl., Ex. M (TM092) ("FreeRepublic is supported by donations. We are a NON commercial and NOT for profit public forum and discussion group. If you would like to sponsor FreeRepublic and/or place an ad or banner linking your website, contact Jim. If you would like to support FreeRepublic, donations may be sent to: [P] Jim Robinson[,] c/o Electronic Orchard[,] P.O. Box 9771[,] Fresno, CA 93794-9771. [P] Or click here to donate by secure credit card transaction"). See also id., Ex. P (TM001, TM084). [*43]

n51 See Defs.' Genuine Issues, PP 29, 30.

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There is also evidence that the Free Republic web page advertises the website design services of Electronic Grenard, and contains links to Electronic Orchard clients. n52 Defendants maintain that these links have been included as a courtesy to Electronic Orchard customers, and that they receive no revenue from them. Accepting this as true, the fact that Electronic Orchard's services are advertised and that Robinson is able to provide free links for his clients' businesses demonstrates that he and Electronic Orchard derive goodwill from the Free Republic site.

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n52 Wayland Decl., Ex. M (TM092) ("Jim also operates Electronic Orchard[,] an Internet web design and software development company located in Fresno, California. Please visit www.e-orchard.com and our clients' websites. We can also create and/or host your website. For effective Internet software that gets results, contact Jim Robinson"). See also id., Ex. P (TM001, TM084).

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Nonetheless, defendants' operation possesses many characteristics of a non-profit entity. It does not market or sell a product, and does not generate revenue in the traditional sense. "The commercial nature of a use is a matter of degree, not an absolute. . . ." Maxtone-Graham v. Burtchaell, 803 F.2d 1253, 1262 (2d Cir. 1986). See also Sega Enterprises Ltd. v. Accolade, Inc., 977 F.2d 1510, 1522 (9th Cir. 1993) (same). Here, while the Free Republic operation has commercial aspects, its overall character is more properly viewed as non-commercial.

Additionally, the Free Republic site provides a public service by fostering debate and discussion regarding the issues of the day. This too is a factor that should be taken into account in assessing the character of defendants' use of plaintiffs' copyrighted material. See Sega Enterprises, supra, 977 F.2d at 1523 ("Public benefit need not be direct or tangible, but may arise because the challenged use serves a public interest"); Hustler, supra, 796 F.2d at 1153 ("When the use has both commercial and non-profit characteristics, the court may consider 'whether the alleged infringing [*45] use was primarily for public benefit or for private commercial gain'").

Section 107(1) does not mandate "a clear-cut choice between two polar characterizations, 'commercial' and 'non-profit.'" Maxtone-Graham, supra, 803 F.2d at 1262. Here, choosing one of these two extremes does not properly reflect the nature of the Free Republic site, or defendants' activities in operating it. Rather, attempting the "sensitive balancing of interests" required for application of the fair use doctrine ( Campbell, supra, 510 U.S. at 584; Sony, supra, 464 U.S. at 455, n. 40), the court finds that the operation of the Free Republic site is only minimally commercial.

The relevant inquiry, however, "is not whether the sole motive of the use is monetary gain but whether the user stands to profit from exploitation of the copyrighted material without paying the customary price." Harper & Row, supra, 471 U.S. at 562. See Campbell, supra, 510 U.S. at 584 ("the mere fact that a use is educational and not for profit does not insulate it from a finding of infringement, any more than the commercial character [*46] of a use bars a finding of fairness"); Infinity Broadcasting, supra, 150 F.3d at 110 ("societal benefit does not guarantee a finding of fair use"); Marcus v. Rowley, 695 F.2d 1171, 1175 (9th Cir. 1983) ("a finding of a nonprofit educational purpose does not automatically compel a finding of fair use"). n53 Here, defendants and registered third-party visitors to the Free Republic site copy and post plaintiffs' news articles, which are then available to others visiting the site free of charge. Since the general purpose of the site is to provide a forum where individuals can discuss current events and media coverage of them, posting copies of plaintiffs' articles assists in attracting viewers to the site.

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n53 In American Geophysical, the court stated that the proper focus of the commercial/non-commercial inquiry is "on the use of the copyrighted material," not on the profit or not-for-profit status of the user. American Geophysical, supra, 60 F.3d at 921-22. Nonetheless, it noted that the profit or non-profit status of the user was not "irrelevant' and "need not [be] ignored." Id. at 921, 922.

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In Marobie-FL, Inc. v. National Assoc. of Fire Equipment Distributors, 983 F. Supp. 1167 (N.D.Ill. 1997), the court examined an analogous situation in which a non-profit organization placed copyrighted clip art on its website without paying the copyright owners. Id. at 1175. Despite defendant's non-profit status, the court found that "its conduct [could] still be considered commercial." Id. The court reasoned that defendant had obtained the clip art for free, although it would ordinarily have cost money, and then had made the files available on its website to members and other Internet users without charge. Id. This was beneficial to it, since the organization used the website "for the commercial purposes of promoting the association (whose members pay dues) and generating advertising revenue." Id. Consequently, the court concluded that defendant's use of the clip art "enhanced the Web Page and furthered . . . commercial purposes." Id. See also Marcus, supra, 695 F.2d at 1175-76 (the court held that a defendant who replicated a substantial portion of plaintiff's copyrighted work could not assert a [*48] fair use defense despite the fact that her copying was for a nonprofit educational purpose, since both she and plaintiff used the material for the same purpose, i.e., to teach cake decorating); Television Digest, Inc. v. United States Telephone Assoc., 841 F. Supp. 5, 9-10 (D.D.C. 1993) (the court concluded that a non-profit trade association's duplication and distribution of a copyrighted newsletter was not a non-commercial use because it saved money by photocopying one subscription issue rather than ordering the number of subscriptions it required per reader); Encyclopaedia Britannica Educational Corp. v. Crooks, 447 F. Supp. 243, 252 (W.D.N.Y. 1978) (a non-profit educational services corporation that videotaped copyrighted films, made copies, and distributed them to public schools was not making fair use of the films since it was reproducing large numbers of the videotapes in a "highly organized and systematic" way).

Cases decided since Marobie-FL have utilized a more nuanced approach in evaluating the commercial/non-commercial aspect of the first fair use factor. Recent Ninth Circuit decisions, for example, assess whether a defendant's copying [*49] led directly to the generation of revenue and profit, or whether it merely had an indirect relation to commercial gain. See Sony Computer, supra, 203 F.3d at 607 (because defendant copied video game for purpose of reverse engineering it and producing software that would be compatible with it, its "commercial use of the copyrighted material was an intermediate one, and thus was only 'indirect or derivative'"); Sega Enterprises, supra, 977 F.2d at 1522 (although defendant's ultimate purpose was the commercial one of developing Genesis-compatible games for sale, "its direct purpose in copying Sega's code, and thus its direct use of the copyrighted material, was simply to study the functional requirements for Genesis compatibility so that it could modify existing games and make them usable with the Genesis console").

Citing Sega, the Second Circuit has described the proper analysis as "differentiating between a direct commercial use and [a] more indirect relation to . . . commercial activity." American Geophysical, supra, 60 F.3d at 921. In American Geophysical, the court stated that the heart of "the commercial/nonprofit dichotomy [*50] concerns the unfairness that arises when a secondary user makes unauthorized use of copyrighted material to capture significant revenues as a direct consequence of copying the original work." Id. at 922. Since, in the case before it, Texaco did not derive direct or immediate revenue or profits from photocopying articles in scientific and medical journals for members of its research staff, the court held that its use was "intermediate," and that the link between the copying and Texaco's commercial gain was "somewhat attenuated." Id. at 921, 922. Nonetheless, it concluded that Texaco "reaped at least some indirect benefit from its photocopying," and that this in turn had some impact on its ability to develop marketable products. Id. at 922. Accordingly, the court stated, "it is not obvious why it is fair for Texaco to avoid having to pay at least some price to copyright holders for the right to photocopy the original articles." Id.

Here, the analysis is much the same. Defendants do not generate revenue or profits from posting plaintiffs' articles on the Free Republic website. At most, they derive indirect economic benefit by enhancing [*51] the website's cachet, increasing registrations, and hence increasing donations and other forms of support. Coupled with the fact that Free Republic has many of the attributes of a non-profit organization, this indirect benefit argues against a finding that the use is strictly commercial. Rather, it is more appropriate to conclude that, while defendants do not necessarily "exploit" the articles for commercial gain, their posting to the Free Republic site allows defendants and other visitors to avoid paying the "customary price" charged for the works. See Harper & Row, supra, 471 U.S. at 562.

c. Conclusion Regarding First Fair Use Factor

Following Campbell, it is clear that the court must balance and weigh the various elements of the first fair use factor in deciding whether it favors plaintiffs or defendants. See Campbell, supra, 510 U.S. at 584 (emphasizing the need for a "sensitive balancing of interests," and noting that Congress has "eschewed a rigid, bright-line approach to fair use," quoting Sony, supra, 464 U.S. 455, n. 40). See also Sony Computer, supra, 203 F.3d at 607 ("we must weigh the extent [*52] of any transformation . . . against the significance of other factors, including commercialism, that militate against fair use"). In the process, it must bear in mind that "the concept of a 'transformative use' is central to a proper analysis under the first factor." American Geophysical, supra, 60 F.3d at 923. For this reason, "the more critical inquiry under the first factor and in fair use analysis generally is . . . whether and to what extent the new work is transformative," not whether the use is commercial. Castle Rock, supra, 150 F.3d at 142 (internal quotations omitted).

Here, the court has found that defendants' copying of plaintiffs' articles is minimally, if at all, transformative. The comments of the individual who posts an article generally add little by way of comment or criticism to its substance. The extent of the copying is more than is necessary to foster the critical purpose it is designed to serve. Because the copying is verbatim, encompasses large numbers of articles, and occurs on an almost daily basis, the evidence supports a finding that defendants (and visitors to the Free Republic page) engage in extensive, systematic copying [*53] of plaintiffs' works.

Weighed against the essentially non-transformative nature of defendants' use is the fact that they do not directly derive revenue or profit from the posting of plaintiffs' articles, and the fact that their operation of the Free Republic website has many characteristics of a non-profit venture. So too, their use of plaintiffs' articles appears to be intended more for public benefit than for private commercial gain.

Since the "central purpose" of the inquiry on the first fair use factor is to determine "whether the new work merely 'supersede[s] the objects' of the original creation, . . . or instead adds something new" ( Campbell, supra, 510 U.S. at 579), the court finds that the non-transformative character of the copying in this case tips the scale in plaintiffs' favor, and outweighs the non-profit/public benefit nature of the purpose for which the copying is performed. This is particularly true since the posting of plaintiffs' articles to the Free Republic site amounts to "systematic . . . multiplying [of] the available number of copies" of the articles, "thereby serving the same purpose" for which licenses are sold or archive charges imposed. [*54] See American Geophysical, supra, 60 F.3d at 924. The first fair use factor thus favors plaintiffs.

2. The Nature Of The Copyrighted Work

The second factor identified in § 107 recognizes "that some works are closer to the core of intended copyright protection than others, with the consequence that fair use is more difficult to establish when the former works are copied." Campbell, Supra, 510 U.S. at 586. Thus, "the more creative a work, the more protection it should be accorded from copying; correlatively, the more informational or functional the plaintiff's work, the broader should be the scope of the fair use defense." NIMMER, supra, § 13.05[A][2][a]. Newspaper articles to a large extent gather and report facts. Nonetheless, a news reporter must determine which facts are significant and recount them in an interesting and appealing manner. See Harper & Row, supra, 471 U.S. at 547 ("creation of a nonfiction work, even a compilation of pure fact, entails originality").

A number of cases that have analyzed alleged copying of news articles or videotapes of news events have concluded that the second fair [*55] use factor weighs in the defendant's favor. See Reuters Television, supra, 149 F.3d at 994 (the court held that the second factor weighed in favor of defendants that copied news footage); Los Angeles News Service v. KCAL-TV Channel 9, 108 F.3d 1119, 1122 (9th Cir. 1997) (the second factor weighed in favor of a finding of fair use where defendants copied news footage); Los Angeles News Service v. Tullo, 973 F.2d 791, 792, 798 (9th Cir. 1992) (the second factor favored a video news clipping service that used portions of copyrighted videotapes of newsworthy events). See also American Geophysical, supra, 60 F.3d at 925 (given the "manifestly factual character of the . . . articles" from scientific and medical journals copied by defendant, the court held that the second factor weighed in favor of fair use); Television Digest, supra, 841 F. Supp. at 10 (the court found that the second factor weighed in favor of a defendant that copied a newsletter containing original news stories). Compare Nihon Keizai Shimbun, supra, 166 F.3d at 72-73 (in a suit by a newspaper publisher against a defendant [*56] that gathered news articles from various sources and sold "abstracts" of them to its customers, the court recognized that newspaper articles are predominantly factual in nature and that expressive elements do not dominate, but nonetheless concluded that the second "factor is at most neutral on the question of fair use").

While plaintiffs' news articles certainly contain expressive elements, they are predominantly factual. Consequently, defendants' fair use claim is stronger than it would be had the works been purely fictional. See Sony, supra, 464 U.S. at 455, n. 40 ("Copying a news broadcast may have a stronger claim to fair use than copying a motion picture"). The court concludes that the second factor weighs in favor of a finding a fair use of the news articles by defendants in this case.

3. The Amount And Substantiality Of The Portion Used In Relation To The Copyrighted Work As A Whole

Defendants concede that they have copied and posted entire articles published in plaintiffs' newspapers, although they dispute that all of plaintiffs' articles posted to the Free Republic site are verbatim copies. As noted earlier, defendants' evidence does [*57] not support their contention in this regard. In his deposition, defendant Robinson conceded that verbatim copying of entire articles or substantial portions thereof is the norm, and the exhibits submitted by defendants bear this out. n54

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The fact that exact copies of plaintiffs' article are posted to the Free Republic site weighs strongly against a finding of fair use in this case. See American Geophysical, supra, 60 F.3d at 926 (defendant's copying of entire copyrighted articles militated against a finding of fair use and led the court to conclude that the third factor weighed in plaintiffs' favor); Hustler, supra, 796 F.2d at 1155 ("although wholesale copying does not preclude fair use per se," reproducing an entire parody was the type of wholesale copying that "militated against a finding of fair use"); Supermarket of Homes, Inc. v. San Fernando Valley Board of Realtors, 786 F.2d 1400, 1409 (9th Cir. 1986) [*58] ("generally, no more of a work may be taken than is necessary to make the accompanying comment understandable"); Television Digest, supra, 841 F. Supp. at 10 (because an entire copyrighted work was used, the court concluded that the third factor weighed against a finding of fair use); NIMMER, supra, § 13.05[A][3] ("whatever the use, generally, it may not constitute a fair use if the entire work is reproduced").

Citing the fact that plaintiffs' copyright registration covers their newspapers as a whole, defendants contend that the papers are plaintiffs' "works," and not the individual articles that appear in them. Thus, they contend, the copying of a single article constitutes reproduction of only a small portion of the work. This proposition is not supported by the case law. See American Geophysical, supra, 60 F.3d at 925-26 (despite the fact that plaintiffs' copyright registration covered their journals as a whole, the court held that copying an entire article was equivalent to copying the entire work); Hustler, supra, 796 F.2d at 1155 (stating that "[a] creative work does not deserve less copyright protection [*59] just because it is part of a composite work" and holding that the copying of a one-page parody from a 154-page magazine constituted reproduction of the entire work); Netcom On-Line II, supra, 923 F. Supp. at 1247 ("although many of Hubbard's lectures, policy statements, and course packets are collected into larger volumes, and registered as a whole, they may still constitute separate works for the purposes of this factor"); Lerma, supra, 1996 WL 633131 at *9 ("we find that the Works at issue in this case are combined in 'collections' and that each subpart must be considered a 'single work' for the purposes of fair use analysis").

Defendants also contend that copying all or a substantial portion of the articles is essential to the critical purpose of the Free Republic website. See Campbell, supra, 510 U.S. at 586 (the applicable test to use in assessing the third fair use factor is whether the amount copied was "reasonable in relation to the purpose of the copying"). In assessing such an argument, Campbell instructs that the court focus on "the persuasiveness of a [copier's] justification for the particular copying done," and [*60] noted that "the enquiry will harken back to the first of the statutory factors, for . . . the extent of the permissible copying varies with the purpose and character of the use." Id. at 586-87.

As detailed in the court's consideration of the first fair use factor, defendants have not offered a persuasive argument that full-text copying is essential to the critical purpose of the Free Republic site. Contrasted with the purpose and character of the use, the wholesale copying of plaintiffs' articles weighs against a finding of fair use. See Castle Rock, supra, 150 F.3d at 144 ("In Campbell, . . . the Supreme Court clarified that the third factor -- the amount and substantiality of the portion of the copyrighted work used -- must be examined in context. The inquiry must focus upon whether 'the extent of . . . copying' is consistent with or more than necessary to further 'the purpose and character of the use'"); Infinity Broadcasting, supra, 150 F.3d at 110 ("the question most relevant to th[e third] factor [is] whether 'no more was taken than necessary'").

4. The Effect Of The Use On The Potential Market For Or Value Of The [*61] Copyrighted Work

The fourth factor examines "the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work." 17 U.S.C. § 107(4). It requires evaluating not only the extent of market harm caused by the alleged infringer's use, but also "'whether unrestricted and widespread conduct of the sort engaged in by the defendant . . . would result in a substantially adverse impact on the potential market' for the original." Campbell, supra (quoting NIMMER, supra, § 13.05[A][4]); Harper & Row, supra, 471 U.S. at 568. In this regard, it is significant if widespread use of the type in which the defendant is engaged would "diminish[] potential sales, interfer[e] with marketability, or usurp[] the market" for the original. Sega, supra, 977 F.2d at 1523 (noting that if copying had this effect, "all other considerations might be irrelevant"). Markets for derivative works, i.e., those markets 'that creators of original works would in general develop or license others to develop,' must be considered in addition to the market for the original. Campbell, supra, 510 U.S. at 590, 592. [*62] See also American Geophysical, supra, 60 F.3d at 929-30; Cable/Home Communication Corp. v. Network Productions, Inc., 902 F.2d 829, 845 (11th Cir. 1990) ("'potential market' means either an immediate or a delayed market, and includes harm to derivative works").

In assessing the fourth factor, courts frequently contrast a use that "suppresses" or "destroys" the market for the original or derivative works with one that "usurps" or "substitutes" for those markets. See, e.g., Castle Rock, supra, 150 F.3d at 145. See also Campbell, supra, 510 U.S. at 593; Sony Computer, supra, 203 F.3d at 607; Sundeman, supra, 142 F.3d at 207; Sega, supra, 977 F.2d at 1523. "[A] work that merely supplants or supersedes another is likely to cause a substantially adverse impact on the potential market of the original, [while] a transformative work is less likely to do so." Sony Computer, supra, 203 F.3d at 607. See also Sega, supra, 977 F.2d at 1523 ("The Harper & Row Court found a use that effectively usurped the market for the copyrighted work [*63] by supplanting that work to be dispositive").

Applying these principles to the present case, the undisputed evidence shows that the Free Republic website has approximately 20,000 registered users, receives as many as 100,000 hits per day, and attracts between 25 and 50 million page views each month. The evidence also shows that visitors to the site are able to read full text copies of articles from plaintiffs' newspapers and archives without purchasing the papers, visiting plaintiffs' websites or paying the fee plaintiffs charge for retrieving an article from their archives. While defendants argue that the Free Republic site is a "poor substitute" for locating plaintiffs' articles on their websites, n55 the court has found that for those individuals who visit the site, the articles posted to freerepublic.com do substitute for the original works. Given the number of registered visitors, hits and page views Free Republic attracts, the court cannot accept defendants' assertion that the site has only a de minimis effect on plaintiffs' ability to control the market for the copyrighted works. n56

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n55 Defs.' Opp. at 20:4-5. [*64]

n56 See id. at 20:7-8; Stout Decl., PP 47-51. In his declaration, Richard Stout opines that the detrimental impact of the Free Republic site on plaintiffs' websites is "trivial." (Id., P 51.) He bases this conclusion on the fact that the volume of traffic visiting the Free Republic site is "trivial" in comparison with the number of visitors to plaintiffs' sites, and that only a small percentage of the articles that appear on the Free Republic site are from plaintiffs' publications. (Id., PP 48, 49.) Thus, he concludes that the "general public" wishing to read articles from plaintiffs' publications has "no reason to believe" that the Free Republic site is a better place to view plaintiff's articles than the papers' own websites. (Id., P 50.) This overlooks the fact that those who visit the Free Republic site can read plaintiffs' articles without visiting their websites. As to those individuals, the articles posted to the Free Republic site clearly substitute for the originals, and make a visit to plaintiffs' websites unnecessary.

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Moreover, this kind of de minimis argument [*65] has been rejected by the courts. In Infinity Broadcasting, for example, the court considered the fair use defense of an individual who operated a "dial-up" service that allowed "subscribers (for a fee) to listen over the telephone to contemporaneous radio broadcast in remote cities," including broadcasts by stations owned by the plaintiff. Infinity Broadcasting, supra, 150 F.3d at 106. Infinity offered a similar service on a limited basis to certain clients, but acknowledged that it had "no present interest" in developing the market further. Id. at 107, 111. The defendant argued that its operation was likely to have no material effect on the value of the copyrighted works because it was "directed to a narrow and specialized audience" and generated "extremely modest" revenues. Id. at 111. The court rejected this. Noting that it could not conclude defendant's use had only a negligible effect on Infinity's ability to exploit the potential market, the court stated:

"Infinity, in the exercise of its business judgment, has decided that its best current use of listen lines is to offer them at no additional cost to certain 'valued [*66] customers.' Dial-Up disrupts this practice by removing Infinity's control over who should have access to such lines. Kirkwood is selling Infinity's copyrighted material in a market that Infinity, as the copyright owner, is exclusively entitled to exploit. Kirkwood does not suppress demand for Infinity's broadcasts in the manner of a reviewer, but instead replaces Infinity as the supplier of those broadcasts to meet the demand of his customers. This is precisely the kind of harm the fourth factor aims to prevent." Id. n57

See also Sega Enterprises Ltd. v. Maphia, 948 F. Supp. 923, 937 (N.D.Cal. 1996) (in finding that the fourth fair use factor cut against a bulletin board service that allowed users to download plaintiff's video games, the court rejected defendant's argument that any impact on plaintiff's sales was de minimis, since only a limited number of users had copiers that enabled them to play the games, the users probably played in their own homes, and there was no evidence that they had further distributed the downloaded video games; the court determined that "unrestricted and widespread conduct of this sort would result in a substantial adverse [*67] impact on the market for the Sega games"); Playboy Enterprises, Inc. v. Frena, 839 F. Supp. 1552, 1559 (M.D.Fla. 1993) (rejecting defendant's argument that his use was de minimis).

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n57 While the Supreme Court's decision in Sony suggests that some potential markets should be considered "too insubstantial [or speculative] to tilt the fourth fair use factor in favor of the copyright holder" (see American Geophysical, supra, 60 F.3d at 930, n. 18), the market is presently being exploited by plaintiffs via their websites, and thus cannot be said to be of this type.

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This is precisely defendants' argument here -- that the Free Republic site is small in comparison to the sites operated by plaintiffs, is not known to the general public, and thus could not divert a substantial amount of business from plaintiffs. As the copyright holders, however, plaintiffs have the "right to control" access to the articles, and defendants' activities affect a market plaintiffs currently seek to [*68] exploit.

Plaintiffs assert they have lost and will lose revenue because visitors to the Free Republic site can read plaintiffs' archived news articles without paying the fee they would be charged for accessing the articles at plaintiffs' sites. Similarly, plaintiffs contend that defendants' use affects their ability to generate licensing revenue, since the fact that the articles are available for free viewing on Free Republic's web page diminishes their value to licensees. Finally, plaintiffs argue that defendants' copying reduces the number of people visiting their sites, and thus causes them to lose advertising revenue calculated on the number of hits they receive. n58

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n58 At the hearing on the motions, defendants claimed they had been "sandbagged" because, contrary to the declarations submitted in connection with the motions for summary judgment, plaintiffs' designated Rule 30(b)(6) witnesses testified at their depositions that there was no evidence that posting plaintiffs' articles to the Free Republic site diverted hits from plaintiffs' websites. Specifically, defendants cited Koefoot's testimony, in which he said there was no quantitative data that defendants' posting of articles diverted traffic from the Washington Post website. (See Defendants' Exhibits - Vol. 7, Ex. 1012 (Deposition of Eric Koefoot) at 56:15-57:24.) Koefoot added, however, that "qualitative data" supported such a conclusion since it is self-evident that a person who reads an article on the Free Republic site will not go to the Washington Post site to read the same thing. (Id. at 57:25-58:8.) Defendants also cited Eric Schvimmer's deposition testimony, in which he stated that he did not search for, and did not know of, any documents showing an decrease or increase in the number of hits to the Washington Post's website as a result of defendants' allegedly infringing acts. (Defendants' Exhibits - Vol. 6, Ex. 1011 (Deposition of Eric Schvimmer) at 65:6-11, Ex. 5 at 6.) Plaintiffs did not submit a declaration from Schvimmer in connection with the motions. They did submit Koefoot's declaration, however, which contains generalized statements to the effect that the Washington Post website loses potential "hits" when people can access Post articles at the Free Republic site. (Koefoot Decl., PP 21-22.) Perruso makes an almost identical statement respecting the Los Angeles Times' website in her declaration. (Perruso Decl., PP 20-21.) These statements do not contradict the deposition testimony. While plaintiffs may have no "quantitative data" to support the claim, they have consistently asserted that the Free Republic site reduces traffic on their web pages.

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Defendants respond that plaintiffs have not adduced evidence of lost revenue resulting from operation of the Free Republic site. This, however, is not determinative. See Sony, supra, 464 U.S. at 451 ("Actual present harm need not be shown"). In Reuters, supra, 149 F.3d at 994, defendants copied plaintiffs' news footage without permission. Plaintiffs could not prove that they had lost sales of the footage or that they had suffered any actual adverse market effect. Id. The court noted that allowing a customer to buy the footage from defendants rather than plaintiffs lessened the market for plaintiffs' footage, and concluded that "such actions if permitted would result in a substantially adverse impact on the potential market for the original works." Id. See also Ringgold v. Black Entertainment Television, 126 F.3d 70, 81 (2d Cir. 1997) (artist who created a story quilt that was used as set decoration for a television program was "not required to show a decline in the number of licensing requests for" a poster depicting the quilt since the program aired so long as she could demonstrate that there was "a 'traditional, reasonable, [*70] or likely to be developed' market for licensing [the] work as set decoration").

Here, plaintiffs have shown that they are attempting to exploit the market for viewing their articles online, for selling copies of archived articles, and for licensing others to display or sell the articles. n59 Defendants' use "substitutes" for the originals, and has the potential of lessening the frequency with which individuals visit plaintiffs' websites, of diminishing the market for the sale of archived articles, and decreasing the interest in licensing the articles. See Hustler, supra, 796 F.2d at 1155-56 (if the copying "fulfill[s] 'the demand for the original' works and 'diminish[es] or prejudice[s]' their potential sale," this justifies a finding that the fourth fair use factor favors the copyright holder); Wainwright Securities, supra, 558 F.2d at 96 (defendant's abstracts filled the demand for plaintiff's financial reports).

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n59 Koefoot Decl., PP 8, 10-13; Perruso Decl., PP 8, 10-13.

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Defendants counter that there is no evidence that people who view the articles on the Free Republic site would ever have visited plaintiffs' websites. It is not necessary, however, to show with certainty that future harm will result. See Sony, supra, 464 U.S. at 451. Rather, "what is necessary is a showing by a preponderance of the evidence that some meaningful likelihood of future harm exists." Id. That likelihood is present when articles that would otherwise be available only at sites controlled or licensed by plaintiffs are available at a different site as well. The likelihood only increases when one considers the impact on the market if defendants' practice of full text copying were to become widespread.

Defendants also contend that plaintiffs actually benefit from having their articles posted verbatim on the Free Republic site. While they argue that plaintiffs' sites receive "literally tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of hits per month" n60 as a result of referrals from the Free Republic site, this overstates their expert's quantification of the number of referral hits. In his declaration, Richard Stout states that the Los Angeles Times' website [*72] receives approximately 20,000 hits per month from users who visit the Free Republic site before accessing the Times' site. Stout estimates that these referral hits generate approximately $ 1,000 in revenue for the paper each month. n61 Defendants argue that this information regarding referral hits demonstrates that plaintiffs' advertising revenue is not diminished because of a reduction in the number of hits to their sites. Stout's declaration, however, does not address how many hits are diverted from plaintiffs' websites as a consequence of the posting of articles to the Free Republic site, and this is the pertinent inquiry in terms of potential market harm.

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n61 See Stout Decl., P 46. Stout's figures concern the Los Angeles Times site only.

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Defendants assert the evidence regarding referral hits demonstrates that Free Republic is creating a demand for plaintiffs' works. Even if this is the case, it does not mandate a conclusion that the fourth fair use factor favors defendants. [*73] Courts have routinely rejected the argument that a use is fair because it increases demand for the plaintiff's copyrighted work. See Campbell, supra, 510 U.S. at 591, n. 21 (even if a "film producer's appropriation of a composer's previously unknown song . . . turns the song into a commercial success[,] the boon to the song does not make the film's . . . copying fair"); Ringgold, supra, 126 F.3d at 81, n. 16 ("Even if the unauthorized use of plaintiff's work in the televised program might increase poster sales, that would not preclude her entitlement to a licensing fee"); D.C. Comics Inc. v. Reel Fantasy, Inc., 696 F.2d 24, 28 (2d Cir. 1982) ("Since one of the benefits of ownership of copyrighted material is the right to license its use for a fee, even a speculated increase in DC's comic book sales as a consequence of RFI's infringement would not call the fair use defense into play as a matter of law. The owner of the copyright is in the best position to balance the prospect of increased sales against revenue from a license"); Storm Impact, Inc. v. Software of the Month Club, 13 F. Supp. 2d 782, 790 (N.D.Ill. 1998) [*74] ("This argument that increased distribution of the author's work is a benefit to the author has been rejected by the Supreme Court," citing Harper & Row, supra, 471 U.S. at 569)).

In short, plaintiffs have demonstrated that they are attempting to exploit the market for viewing their articles online, for selling copies of archived articles, and for licensing others to display or sell the articles. They have demonstrated that the availability of verbatim copies of the articles at the Free Republic site has the potential to interfere with these markets, particularly if it becomes a widespread practice. See Sony, supra, 464 U.S. at 451; Tullo, supra, 973 F.2d at 798; Hustler, supra, 796 F.2d at 1155 (copyright owner may demonstrate that there is "some meaningful likelihood of future harm" by showing that, "should the challenged use become widespread, it would adversely affect the potential market for the work"; this inquiry focuses on "whether the infringing use (1) 'tends to diminish or prejudice the potential sale of [the] work,' or (2) tends to interfere with the marketability of the work"). Defendants, who bear [*75] the burden of proof on fair use, have not rebutted this showing by proving "an absence of 'usurpation' harm to" plaintiffs. Infinity Broadcasting, supra, 150 F.3d at 111. Accordingly, the fourth factor weighs against a finding of fair use in this case.

5. Balancing The Fair Use Factors

In sum, three of the four fair use factors weigh in plaintiffs' favor. Moreover, the factor that favors defendants -- the nature of the copyrighted work -- does not provide strong support for a fair use finding, since defendants copied both the factual and the expressive elements of plaintiffs' news articles. Conversely, the amount and substantiality of the copying and the lack of any significant transformation of the articles weigh heavily in favor of plaintiffs on this issue. The court thus finds that defendants may not assert a fair use defense to plaintiffs' copyright infringement claim. See Reuters, supra, 149 F.3d at 994-95 ("the district court, having found that only one of the four statutory factors weighed in favor of defendants, correctly concluded that the fair use defense did not apply"); Tullo, supra, 973 F.2d at 799 (the [*76] only one of the four fair use factors -- the nature of the copyrighted work -- supported a fair use finding, the court held that the defense could not be invoked to shield defendant from liability for infringing plaintiff's copyrights).

D. First Amendment Defense

Defendants assert, as a separate defense, the fact that the First Amendment protects their posting of copies of plaintiffs' news articles to the Free Republic website. n62 Defendants contend that visitors to the Free Republic site will be unable to express their views concerning the manner in which the media covers current events since the omissions and biases in the articles will be difficult to communicate to readers without the full text of the article available. n63

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n62 Often, First Amendment concerns are considered as part of the fair use analysis. See, e.g., Hustler, supra, 796 F.2d at 1151-52 ("Courts balance [the fair use] factors to determine whether the public interest in the free flow of information outweighs the copyright holder's interest in exclusive control over the work").

n63 Defs.' Mot. at 17:21-23.

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In Harper & Row, supra, Nation magazine reprinted, without authorization, 300 words from the memoirs of President Gerald Ford. 471 U.S. at 542-45. The Court noted that factual information concerning current events contained in news articles is not protected by copyright. It stated, however, that "copyright assures those who write and publish factual narratives . . . that they may at least enjoy the right to market the original expression contained therein as just compensation for their investment." Id. at 556-57 (citing Zacchini v. Scripps-Howard Broadcasting Co., 433 U.S. 562, 575, 53 L. Ed. 2d 965, 97 S. Ct. 2849 (1977)). It stressed that copyright fosters free expression because it "supplies the economic incentive to create and disseminate ideas" by "establishing a marketable right to the use of one's expression." 471 U.S. at 558. It noted that copyright also promotes the countervailing First Amendment right to refrain from speech by protecting the owner of a copyrighted work from being forced to publish it. Id. at 559. For all these reasons, the Court concluded that "that copyright's idea/expression dichotomy 'strike[s] [*78] a definitional balance between the First Amendment and the Copyright Act by permitting free communication of facts while still protecting an author's expression.'" Id. at 556. Accordingly, it rejected defendant's First Amendment argument that material could be copied because it was "newsworthy," ( id. at 559) and "limited its inquiry to 'the traditional equities of fair use,' unexpanded by any free speech concerns." NIMMER, supra, § 1.10[B][2] (quoting Harper & Row, supra, 471 U.S. at 560). Courts have generally interpreted this discussion in Harper & Row to mean that First Amendment considerations are subsumed within the fair use Analysis. Nihon Keizai Shimbun, supra, 166 F.3d at 74 ("We have repeatedly rejected First Amendment challenges to injunctions from copyright infringement on the ground that First Amendment concerns are protected by and coextensive with the fair use doctrine"); Twin Peaks, supra, 996 F.2d at 1378 ("except perhaps in an extraordinary case, 'the fair use doctrine encompasses all claims of first amendment in the copyright field'"); Tullo, supra, 973 F.2d at 795 ("Copyright [*79] law incorporates First Amendment goals by ensuring that copyright protection extends only to the forms in which ideas and information are expressed and not to the ideas and information themselves. . . . First Amendment concerns are also addressed in the copyright field through the 'fair use' doctrine").

Nimmer argues that if the "copying of the expression is essential effectively to convey the idea expressed," then the First Amendment protects the copying regardless of copyright. As the court in Tullo noted, "no court has adopted Nimmer's proposal." Tullo, supra, 973 F.2d at 796, n. 5. Nimmer argues that the Supreme Court in Harper & Row implicitly adopted this framework when it acknowledged that some of the briefer quotations from President Ford's memoirs were "arguably necessary adequately to convey the facts; for example, Mr. Ford's characterization of the White House tapes as the 'smoking gun' is perhaps so integral to the idea expressed as to be inseparable from it." Harper & Row, supra, 471 U.S. at 563; NIMMER, supra, § 1.10[D].

Even assuming this is true, defendants have failed to show that copying plaintiffs' news articles [*80] verbatim is essential to communication of the opinions and criticisms visitors to the website express. As discussed above in connection with analysis of defendants' fair use defense, visitors' comments more often concern the underlying news event than they do the manner in which that event was covered by the media. And, even where media coverage is the subject of the critique, the gist of the comments (which concern the fact that a particular media outlet published a story or approached the story from a particular angle can generally be communicated without full text copying of the article. The availability of alternatives -- such as linking and summarizing -- further undercuts any claim that First Amendment rights are implicated. While defendants and other users of the Free Republic site may find these options less ideal than copying plaintiffs' articles verbatim, this does not demonstrate that a First Amendment violation will occur if full text posting is prohibited.

III. CONCLUSION

For the foregoing reasons, plaintiffs' motion for summary adjudication with respect to fair use is granted, and defendants' motion is denied.





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THE CASE WAS ALREADY PROVEN. YOU HAVE HOWEVER FAILED TO PROVE OTHERWISE.

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THAT'S YOUR WAY OF SHOWING CIVILITY? YOU CAN KEEP IT.

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YOU MEAN YOU'D RATHER SHOW YOUR TRUE UNCIVILIZED COLORS?

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WHAT ARE YOU LEADING UP TO?

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DO YOU REALLY HAVE THE GUTS TO BACK UP YOUR DEMAND TO GET PERMISSION? I DOUBT IT.

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HAVE YOU EVEN TRIED ASKING ABS-CBN, PDI AND PHILSTAR?

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YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO IT, CAN YOU NOT?

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SURE. BUT BY LINKING TO REFER TO THE SOURCE IT GIVES THE SAME RESULT.

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MAY TO YOU IT DOES, ARE YOU TRYING TO IMPOSE YOUR CHARACTER HERE?

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IT DOES GIVE THE SAME RESULT AND AT THE SAME TIME SHOWS RESPECT TO THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER.

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IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ARE GOOD ONLY AT NOT FOLLOWING WHAT YOU PREACH.

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I HAD ALSO BEEN WARNED ABOUT HOW YOU TRY TO TWIST FACTS TO WIGGLE OUT.

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. IS THAT THE BEST YOU CAN DO.

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TWISTED FACT: "OH NO. IT HAS BEEN PROVEN THAT CIVILITY IS ALIEN TO YOU.. What Do You Th"

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THAT IS A FACT: PROOF IN THIS POST.

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http://www.network54.com/Forum/5345/message/1197940325/SUPPOT+FAGGOTS+DO+LOVE+TO+COME+IN+FROM+THE+BACK%2C+THAT%27S+YOU%21%21

SUPPOT FAGGOTS DO LOVE TO COME IN FROM THE BACK, THAT'S YOU!!
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THAT IS TWISTED FACT, THE EVIDENCE DOES NOT PROVE ANYTHING.

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SO FOR YOU SAYING "SUPPOT FAGGOTS DO LOVE TO COME IN FROM THE BACK, THAT'S YOU!!" IS CIVIL

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AND THAT IS ALL YOU NEED TO PROVE YOUR ALLEGATION?

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SO, YOU SAYING "SUPPOT FAGGOTS DO LOVE TO COME IN FROM THE BACK, THAT'S YOU!!" IS CIVIL?

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AND THAT IS ALL YOU NEED TO PROVE YOUR ALLEGATION?

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ANYBODY WHO NEEDS PROOF JUST HAS TO GO TO WATCHPIG. ALL THE PROOF IS THERE.

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JUST AS I THOUGHT, IT'S ALL ABOUT SPAMMING FOR THE WATCHPIG.

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NOPE, YOU ASKED FOR PROOF, IT'S THERE FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO SEE IT.

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YOU CAME AND POSTED YOUR ACCUSATIONS IN THIS FORUM, SO POST YOUR PROOFS HERE!!

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AND ACCORDINGLY YOU CAN FIND THE PROOF IN THIS POST.

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JUST GO TO http://www.network54.com/Forum/392187/ AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO READ THEM.

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BS. GO POST YOUR ACCUSATIONS IN THE WATCHPIG AS WELL PIG OUT ON IT!!.

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WHAT'S THE MATTER CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH?

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WHAT'S THE MATTER, CAN'T POST YOUR PROOF HERE?

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NOT THAT I CAN'T, BUT I WOULD RATHER THE PROOF IS IT IN IT'S MOST TRUE FORM.

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SO ALL YOU'VE BEEN TELLING US HERE ARE LIES AND THE TRUTH IS HIDDEN ELSEWHERE?

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THERE IS NO LIE WHEN THE TRUTH ABOUNDS ALL ONE HAS TO DO IS OPEN THEIR EYES AND UNDERSTAND

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YOU CANNOT EVEN POST A SINGLE EVIDENCE OF YOUR TRUTH, SO ALL YOU DO IS LIE.

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PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WILLING TO OPEN THEIR EYES TO THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS SEE LIES EVERYWHERE

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SO STOP DENYING US THE TRUTH AND POST THEM HERE FOR ALL TO SEE.

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YOU WANT ME TO POST THE PROOF OF YOUR UNCIVIL ATTITUDE HERE FOR ALL TO SEE?

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...ALL ONE HAS TO DO IS READ THE PHNO CYBERFORUM ARCHIVES.

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IT SEEMS ALL YOU HAVE WILL NOT SUPPORT YOUR ACCUSATION.

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WHEN YOU GO TO PHNO CYBERFORUM JUST CLICK THOSE LITTLE NUMBERS AT THE BOTTOM.

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THERE'S THE PROOF.

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NO, WHAT I WANT TO SEE ARE THE COPYRIGHT LAWS THAT WILL PROVE YOUR ACCUSATIONS.

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OKAY DON'T YOU REMEMBER CHANGING TOPICS MIDWAY? ARE YOU GETTING A SENILITY ATTACK?

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YOU STILL OWE THIS FORUM THE SPECIFIC LAWS THAT WILL PROVE YOUR ACCUSATIONS.

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SENILITY ALERT! THAT'S BEEN PROVEN. BRICK WALL ALERT. NAPANICE STILL CLUELESS!

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I DON'T SEE IT HERE AND NOBODY ELSE HAS EITHER.

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SENILITY ALERT! BRICKWALL HAS CAUSED SENILITY!

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AND POSSIBLE BLINDNESS

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PROVE THAT ACCUSATION.

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THEN SHOW US THAT YOU HAD PERMISSION TO COPY AND PASTE THE WHOLE ARTICLE.. What Do You Thi

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SO YOU ARE ADMITTING YOU HAD NO PERMISSION TO COPY AND PASTE THE WHOLE ARTICLE.

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IT PROVES THAT YOU ARE ONLY GOOD AT NOT FOLLOWING YOUR PREACHINGS.

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PROVE THAT ACCUSATION.

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SIMPLE YOU HAVE FAILED TO SECURE PERMISSION TO POST AN ARTICLE HERE, AS YOU HAVE PREACHED.

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NOW, WHY WOULD I NEED TO POST AN ARTICLE HERE WHEN I COULD LINK IT AND GET THE SAME RESULT

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IF ANYTHING NAPANICE, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR PROVING I'M NOT A COPYRIGHT VIOLATOR.

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MORE LIKE YOU'RE JUST GOOD AT PREACHING BUT NOT AT DOING.

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THANK YOU FOR NOT CALLING ME A COPYRIGHT VIOLATOR AKA THIEF.

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AND THANK YOU FOR NOT POSTING ANYTHING OF VALUE IN THIS FORUM. SUCH A WASTE!!

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YES, YOUR COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS ARE VALUABLE FOR THIS FORUM.

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PROVE THEY ARE COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS.

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PROVE TO WHO? YOU? ANYBODY FOLLOWING THESE THREADS ALREADY KNOW IT'S BEEN PROVEN.

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. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN'T GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD.

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REALLY? I DOUBT THAT YOUR WEAK ARGUMENTS SHOW ANY MERIT.

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WEAK ARGUMENTS? WELL THEY WERE ENOUGH TO PROVE TO EVERYONE YOU ARE A COPYRIGHT VIOLATOR.

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...PROVEN TO EVERYONE ELSE BUT YOU.

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I DOUBT THAT ANYONE BELEIVED IN YOUR LIES.

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YOU DOUBT THE TRUTH TOO MUCH.

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I MENTIONED LIES, YOU NEVER CAME UP WITH ANY TRUTH.

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YES YOU ALWAYS MENTION LIES, THANK YOU FOR ACCEPTING YOU ARE A LIAR.

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THAT'S ALL WE SEE BECAUSE YOU HAVE KEPT THE TRUTH HIDDEN ALL ALONG. POST THEM HERE!!

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YOU'RE RIGHT, I CAN'T KEEP THE TRUTH OF HOW UNCIVIL YOU ARE HIDDEN.

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...IT'S BEEN IN THE PHNO CYBERFORUM ARCHIVES ALL ALONG.

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WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF YOUR COPYRIGHT ACCUSATIONS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING NOW?

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AND COPYRIGHT VIOLATION IS A VERY UNCIVIL ACT.

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.YOU ARE SO CONSISTENT!

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LYING IS WORSE.

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THEN YOU SHOULD STOP ENGAGING IN IT.

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THE ONLY LIES AT THE MOMENT ARE FROM YOU. SO DO SOMETHING AND POST THE TRUTH HERE.

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TRUTH-COPYING AND PASTING ENTIRE ARTICLES WITHOUT PERMISSION IS COPYRIGHT VIOLATION.

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.DISPROVE THAT.

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FALSE, YOU ARE NOT TELLING THE WHOLE TRUTH.

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AND YOUR PROOF THAT IT IS FALSE?

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THE LIMITATIONS AND WEAKNESS OF FAIR USE LAW HAS ALREADY BEEN SHOWN.

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SIMPLE, THE APPLICATION OF THE LAW DOES NOT END IN ONE CASE. YOUR PROOF IS INAPPROPRIATE..

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EVER HEARD OF STARE DECISIS?

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stare decisis et non quieta movere

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IT IS APPLICABLE ONLY WHEN IDENTICAL SCENARIOS EXIST.

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AND YOU CANNOT ACCEPT THAT THIS IS PRACTICALLY IDENTICAL SCENARIO, EH?

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THAT UNFORTUNATELY IS YOUR DELUSION, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK IT IS IDENTICAL?

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YOU DON'T KNOW? WELL, CONSIDER YOURSELF ADVISED THAT IT IS A PRACTICAL SURE SHOT.

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.I WILL INTENTIONALLY LEAVE YOU CLUELESS FOR THE REST OF IT. SO FAR YOU'VE BEEN ADVISED ENOUGH. IF IT STILL HASN'T GOTTEN INTO YOUR HEAD AT THIS POINT IT DOESN'T WORRY ME ONE BIT.

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ADVISED BY WHO? AN ADVISER WHO CANNOT EVEN EXPLAIN THE SIMILARITY AND DIFFERENCES?

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LIKE I SAID I WILL INTENTIONALLY LEAVE THAT OUT FOR MY AND OTHER PEOPLE'S ENJOYMENT.

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. YOU MIGHT AS WELL ENJOY IT WHILE YOU CAN.

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IN ORDER TO PROVE THAT YOU CAN PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH.

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THAT ACT ALONE OF NOT PASTING THE ARTICLE SHOWS I PRACTICED WHAT I PREACH

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THAT ONLY PROVES YOUR RELUCTANCE TO GET THE PERMISSION.

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THAT PROVES I AM NOT A COPYRIGHT VIOLATOR LIKE YOU.

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YOU HAVEN'T PROVEN THAT YET, I'M STILL WAITING.

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PROVE TO WHO? YOU? ANYBODY ELSE FOLLOWING THESE THREADS KNOW IT'S BEEN PROVEN.

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. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN'T GET IT IN YOUR HEAD.

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NO ONE WOULD CARE FOLLOW THIS THREAD BECAUSE OF YOUR LIES.

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RATHER NO ONE WOULD FOLLOW THIS THREAD BECAUSE OF YOUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING THE TRUTH.

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IT'S MOE LIKE THE LACK OF TRUTH, PERIOD. NO EVIDENCE AND NOTHING BUT LIES.

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THE EVIDENCE WAS YOUR POST. THAT IT IS A COPYRIGHT VIOLATION WAS THERE FOR ALL TO SEE.

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SO FAR THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT IT IS, JUST YOUR LYING ACCUSATION.

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THAT IS YOUR PERCEPTION, KEEP DELUDING YOURSELF TO SLEEP WITH THAT PERCEPTION.

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YOU HAVE BEEN SCROUNGING THE BOTTOM OF HE BARREL FOR PROOF AND FOUND NOTHING.

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LIKE I SAID KEEP DELUDING YOURSELF WITH THAT PERCEPTION.

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THE DELUSION HERE IS YOURS NOT MINE.

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KEEP DELUDING YOURSELF GO AHEAD. IF IT'S MINE THEN WHAT'S YOUR WORRY?

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YOU MENTION WORRY, IS THAT YOUR PROBLEM?

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UNDER THREAT OF ARREST, NERI STARTS MUMBLING ABOUT GOING AFTER THE BIG FISHES.

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THIS BROADBAND WITNESSE'S LAST STATEMENT IS CLEAR INDICATION THAT THERE IS INDEED A PRESSING NEED TO DIG DEEPER INTO THE BROADBAND SCANDAL BECAUSE THE REAL MASTERMINDS ARE YET TO BE IDENTIFIED AND EXPOSED BEFORE THE PEOPLE'S EYES. BUT WITHOUT FIRST HAND TESTIMONY FROM PEOPLE LIKE NERI AND LOZADA WHO ARE INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE INVOLVEMENT OF UNKNOWN PARTIES, THE SENATE WILL ONLY BE ENTERTAINING HEARSAY AND SPECULATIONS WHICH ARE INCONCLUSIVE AND WORTHLESS IN AN COURT OF LAW.

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Neri: Run after the big persons, deal makers, not me

"I think they know who the guilty people are here, who are the deal makers, who are the big persons involved. I think they should run after them."

This was what former socioeconomic planning secretary Romulo Neri, who has been evading arrest by the Senate Sergeant-at-Arms for two days now, said when he expressed the "unfairness" of the attention being focused on him in connection with the scrapped National Broadband Network (NBN) deal which had been alleged to be bribery-laden and overpriced..

The Senate has ordered Neri's arrest after he snubbed the upper chamber's inquiry on the NBN deal.

"I am really pleading for fairness. I'm pleading for them not to treat me like a criminal or a fugitive. If they're calling me now a fugitive, it's so unfair," Neri said in a telephone interview with ABS-CBN.

Neri, who is currently the chair of the Commission on Higher Education (CHEd), said that the Senate should instead pursue the "guilty people" in the bungled contract.

"I think some of them were invited, but they never responded... or they were never summoned... or they never attended... Why don’t they give attention to these people?" Neri added.

Neri is a key resource person in the Senate's NBN deal inquiry.

In his first and only testimony at the Senate, Neri said former Commission on Elections (COMELEC) chair Benjamin Abalos had offered him a bribe to give the P16 billion broadband project to the Chinese firm ZTE.

Neri also disclosed that he reported the alleged bribe to President Arroyo. When quuizzed by senators however to further elaborate his conversations with the president on the issue, Neri invoked executive privilege.

Enforcement of order "injustice" to Neri
Neri's lawyer, Heraldo Dacayo Jr., said that the Senate should stop pursuing Neri since they have already filed an amended petition before the Supreme Court.

In his Petition for Certiorari, Neri asked the SC to stop the Senate from enforcing the arrest order, saying that he did not commit any act of contempt.

The five-page petition filed Friday said that the enforcement order will be an "injustice" to Neri.

In his petition, Neri said that the Senate committed grave abuse of discretion in ordering his arrest.

Neri denied committing any act of contempt against the upper chamber, saying he had merely invoked executive privilege and had already explained to the body his non-appearance during previous Senate hearings.

Neri also said that Senate's issuance of arrest order for him pre-empted the SC's action on a pending petition on the issue and even disrespected the high court.

Earlier in the day, Neri said that he will ask the high court to nullify the Senate’s arrest warrant against him, saying that only the high court can end the debate on whether he still needs to be subjected to another round of questionings about the controversial deal.

Neri said it was not his own decision to refuse to attend the hearings. "I have to follow my superiors. The Senate is not my superior. The superior is the executive, my bosses in the executive."

However, Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago supported Neri's position, saying that the Senate has no prosecution powers to arrest him.

"When a public official acts outside of the borders of his lawful jurisdiction, then he is acting in his private capacity, therefore the principle of immunity from suit no longer applies. So he can, for example, sue for damages, but I doubt if he will," Santiago said.

Birthday boy wishes for "peace"
Neri, who celebrated his 51st birthday Friday, wished for "peace of mind" from all the controversy.

"Sana katahimikan sa mga ganitong bagay (Peace of mind from all of this)... to me is a much appreciated gift," Neri said when asked what he wants on his 51st birthday.

Neri also wants senators to stop calling him a fugitive as he said he had already told the lawmakers what they want to hear about the allegedly graft-ridden NBN deal.

"I feel bad because I'm treated like a criminal. I've testified. I've cooperated. I'm doing [what is] legal," he said in an interview with ABS-CBN morning show "Umagang Kay Ganda."

The official insisted that his 12-hour "interrogation" at the Senate last year should have been enough. He said that he cannot answer any more of the senators' questions because the topics are covered by executive privilege.

Sen. Panfilo "Ping" Lacson said Neri should stop hiding and abide by the warrant of arrest. "Iyon talaga ang dapat ituring sa kanya gawa nang meron siyang warrant of arrest ay hindi siya nagpapakita (He should be treated as a fugitive because he has a warrant of arrest and he is hiding)," Lacson said.

He said the Senate needs to hear more from Neri about the alleged overpricing of the NBN deal. He said he wants to know how the NBN project's contract price became overpriced by at least $200 million.

There were allegations that the additional $200 million was used to bribe officials.

Aside from Neri, the Senate also issued an arrest order against Rodolfo Lozada Jr., chief executive officer of the government-run Philippine Forest Corp.

Lozada became one of the Senate’s "wanted men" after he flew to Hong Kong two hours before the NBN deal hearings resumed Wednesday.

Palace tells Neri: We are behind you
Meanwhile The Philippine Star reported that Malacañang is solidly behind Neri as officials brushed off allegations that the Palace was hiding the beleaguered official.

"We told him that we are solidly behind him," Press Secretary Ignacio Bunye said, after he and other officials talked with Neri over the phone and reassured him of their support.

Palace officials also said the arrest warrant intended for Neri may not be enforceable outside the Senate.

"They (Senate sergeant-at-arms) can try looking for him (Neri) here but I doubt if they have the legal authority to do so," Chief Presidential Legal Counsel Sergio Apostol said.

Presidential Security Group chief Brig. Gen. Romeo Prestoza said Palace guards would not allow personnel from the Senate to enter the Palace complex to look for Neri.

He said if they want, the Senate sergeant-at-arms can just wait at the Palace gates.

Bunye said Philippine Information Agency Director General Conrado Limcaoco called up Neri during their meeting with Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita along with other officials at the Palace and greeted him. Neri celebrated his birthday yesterday.

Bunye, however, did not disclose Neri’s whereabouts but hinted, "he appeared to be nearby."

Apostol found the allegations that Neri was hiding in Malacañang "ridiculous," adding that the official has no reason to hide despite the arrest order from the Senate.

He said the arrest cannot be enforced by the Senate unless the sergeant-at-arms would be accompanied by local policemen.

Bunye appealed to the Senate to withdraw the arrest order and wait until the Supreme Court rules on the case filed by Neri on the new summons from the senators.

"We would like to appeal to the Senate for at least a chance for the Supreme Court to decide on the case," he said.

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THE ABOVE POST IS A COPYRIGHT VIOLATION.

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THAT'S A LIE, ANOTHER BASELESS ACCUSATION.

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YOU CAN DENY IT ALL YOU WANT THE FACTS PROVE ITSELF.

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1. THAT WAS COPIED AND PASTED IN ITS ENTIRETY WITHOUT PERMISSION.

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MORE LIES.

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THEN SHOW US THAT YOU HAD PERMISSION TO COPY AND PASTE THE WHOLE ARTICLE.

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SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS I NEED IT.

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SURE, LET'S TAKE IT AT YOUR LEVEL. LET'S START THE EASY WAY SO YOU WON'T HAVE A HARD TIME

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DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND DO A SIMPLE GOOGLE SEARCH. IF THAT'S TOO HARD FOR YOU TO DO YOU CAN CLICK ON THIS LINK READING THE LAW PUBLICATIONS MAY BE EVEN HARDER FOR YOU.

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YOU LIED AGAIN. ARE YOU ALWAYS THIS WAY WHENEVER CHALLENGED FOR PROOF?

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SINCE THAT'S YOUR PERCEPTION, IT IS CLEAR YOU NEVER CLICKED THE LINK FOR PROOF.

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WHAT PROOF IS THAT? SOMETHING YOU CAN'T EVEN POST HERE?

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I POSTED IT AS A LINK TO REFER TO THE ORIGINAL WEBSITE. DID YOU CLICK ON THE LINK? NO.

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DO YOU REALLY EXPECT EVERYONE TO BE A COPYRIGHT VIOLATOR AS WELL?

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WELL, THEN GO AHEAD AND ASK FOR PERMISSION!! ISN'T THAT WHAT YOURE PREACHING??

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THE PROOF HAS BEEN POSTED AS A LINK. YOU WANT PROOF YOU HAVE TO GO SEE IT FOR YOURSELF.

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http://www.network54.com/Forum/5345/message/1201933836/SURE%2C+LET%27S+TAKE+IT+AT+YOUR+LEVEL.+LET%27S+START+THE+EASY+WAY+SO+YOU+WON%27T+HAVE+A+HARD+TIME

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GO PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!! DEMONSTRATE HOW COPYRIGHT LAWS WORK, GET THE PERMISSION!!

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THE PROOF HAS BEEN POSTED AS A LINK. YOU WANTED PROOF, GO READ IT FOR YOURSELF.

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LET'S DO IT THE EASY WAY FOR YOU SO YOU WON'T GET STUMPED BY THE LAW BOOKS

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Copyright+Violation%22+Copy-and-paste

http://www.network54.com/Forum/5345/message/1201933836/SURE%2C+LET%27S+TAKE+IT+AT+YOUR+LEVEL.+LET%27S+START+THE+EASY+WAY+SO+YOU+WON%27T+HAVE+A+HARD+TIME

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GO GET IT MYSELF? NOW WHAT KIND OF A CIVIL RESPONSE IS THAT?

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DIDN'T I SAY GO READ IT YOURSELF? CAN YOU EVEN READ?

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THERE WON'T BE A PROBLEM IF YOU FOLLOWED YOUR OWN ADVICE AND ASK FOR PERMISSION.

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THERE'S NO PROBLEM BY PUTTING A LINK TO REFER TO THE SOURCE. IT'S THE SAME THING.

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THERE IS A PROBLEM, YOU CAN'T FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE PREACHING HERE.

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SINCE PERMISSION IS INACCESSIBLE AT THE MOMENT, REFERRING TO THE SOURCE IS LEGITIMATE.

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YEAH, POST YOUR ATTEMPT TO SECURE PERMISSION HERE AND THE RESPONSE..

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PERMISSION FOR WHAT? TO COPY AND PASTE THE WHOLE ARTICLE?

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THE PROOF, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. POST IT HERE WITH PERMISSION!!

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PROOF IS IN THIS POST. IF YOU STILL CAN'T FIND IT THEN THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM. NOT MINE.

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I WILL START WITH THE EASY WAY BY SHOWING YOU HOW COPYING AND PASTING ENTIRE ARTICLES IS A COPYRIGHT VIOLATION.
LET'S START WITH A WAY MOST PEOPLE, LIKE NAPANICE, CAN EASILY UNDERSTAND.

FIRST LET'S DO A GOOGLE SEARCH AT.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Copyright+Violation%22+Copy-and-paste

NOW CLICK ON THAT LINK AND YOU WILL FIND THAT IT OPENS UP A LOT OF DETAILS PROVING COPY AND PASTING IS AN ACT CONSIDERED A VIOLATION OF COPYRIGHT AND HOW A LOT OF WEBSITES AVOID USERS DOING SO DUE TO ITS ILLEGALITY.

NOW IF YOU WANT HARDER PROOF WE CAN HIT THE LAW BOOKS. OR MAYBE WE CAN LET IT HIT NAPANICE INSTEAD?

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