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Mrs. President, shake my hand for the photo op.

by Napanice (no login)

A tired and haggard looking ex-president is shown sporting a smile as he shook the hand of his deposer. The jail visitor was equally elated, he addressed her as 'President', another evidence that the prisoner has resigned.

And interestingly, instead of talking about demands and political unrest, the topic of conversation dwelled around such jail amenities as curtains for the windows, a telephone, ice cream in the fridge, a video cd player with the latest movies, insect repellent, rat poison, low water pressure, toilet paper, linens and bedsheets, fruits and snacks, etc. etc. etc.

Jinggoy also wished for a possible conjugal visit as if hormones are still very active at the tender age of 64. Live Show the Sequel coming up! Just kidding.

Does anybody think Anwar in jail will shake Mahathir's hand? I don't know about the others, but shaking somebody's hand after he/she crushes your supporters is just plain dumb! Another nail for the poor's coffin.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 10:24 AM
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I told you...

by Moonyeen (no login)

She will do anything under the sun for a big photo-opt.

At least, Erap is a man enough to call her president.

What a lousy smile!!!


MY

Posted on May 3, 2001, 12:14 PM
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Its a respect

by Makabayan (no login)

Even though Erap a kind of Dumb, at least he knew how to respect the Untitled President. Gloria is communist!

Posted on May 3, 2001, 1:31 PM
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Gloria has not earned it!

by Napanice (no login)

maybe erap is grateful because he's getting a new aircon and window curtains in his prison cell. Nice Gloria, thanks!

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 2:05 PM
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their broken down man-

by dcr (no login)

this picture should be reproduced over and over for the masa till election day. they will have their say, hopefully without duress. he sure knows how to play the underdog.
i have no qualms about this sympathy tune for the masa, for so long as it plays to due process beats.

Posted on May 3, 2001, 1:52 PM
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the masa will be fooled

by Napanice (no login)

into thinking that he has accepted defeat. it is a propaganda move to elicit votes from his supporters since the PPC is on the verge of defeat assuming no cheating takes place. the press claimed the senatoriables fooled the people by their vitriolic glib; well here's another one doing the same.

Napanice



Posted on May 3, 2001, 2:01 PM
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the bottom line

by dcr (no login)

we may not dislike the person, but we due process-ors find it difficult to swallow the path she took to get there.

but the reality is we are stuck with her for now. she has the military behind her, and this is the key.

below the sum line we have to answer this question in our minds: is she for the better-ing the philippines? if we think her efforts will be to destroy the philippines, then we should help incite rebellion. if on the other hand we think that she might be trusted enough to think for betterment, maybe we should help her play the hand she is dealt.

criticizing her may be one way to point out the other side of the governance coin; but knowing her to react first and reflect later, and too proud to change the initial reaction at more than snail pace, the criticism has to be structured to avoid putting her in a box with no opening for face-saving. it seems to me, to her credit, she has a sense of humor. that might be the main thrust of constructive criticisms of her governing style and content.

i have always maintained that democracy and the freedom of expression works if undergirded by a sense of humor, particularly the selfdeprecating type. democracy is too confrontational in and of itself to work without a sense of humor.


Posted on May 3, 2001, 11:39 AM
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iow, the end justifies the means

by Napanice (no login)

what's the similarity between Gloria's victory and the Spanish, American and Japanese occupation? They were all winners at one time and subsequent masters that acquired their power not by lawful means but other than.

that should warn us what future to expect, though hope there might possibly be to provide the much needed dextrose.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 11:50 AM
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She doesn't look presidential...

by Moonyeen (no login)

I still see her a usurper of the presidency. Due process is out of her mind as long as she maintain her seat at the Malacanang, she will do anything to be a Puppet to the church, the military the communists and the powerful elites and esp the person who always smoke big cigar.

MY

Posted on May 3, 2001, 12:05 PM
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yes, yes, yes -

by dcr (no login)

to all you are saying, but the bottom line is still the same. she is there with the military behind her.
what then do we do at this juncture?

Posted on May 3, 2001, 12:21 PM
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resistance is futile

by Napanice (no login)

and i mean that in the form of an armed rebellion. there are other nonviolent means which i consider mandatory at this point in time. so you wonder what to do next, i think the election must be allowed to go through, then following that the plunder trial should proceed in full speed. the country is divided, and the people must finally be appeased with a verdict so that minds will know for sure which side to support. conviction will blow away any semblance of resistance to Gloria, it will actually legitimize her claim to fame. but acquittal will very likely cause a resurgence in a move to restore the deposed or at the least unseat the usurper in favor of a snap election.

you know the problem with humans is they also get to serve as ultimate authorities in courts where prejudices and biases are manifested by political influence or even by downright coercion. this i believe is what has taken us to the bottom line.

Napanice



Posted on May 3, 2001, 12:50 PM
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I'll buy that.

by Feling (no login)

It is a wise and pragmatic stance.

Posted on May 3, 2001, 12:56 PM
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use a grain of salt

by Napanice (no login)

to pay for my ideas, the system of justice at hand is for sale.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 1:11 PM
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from one due processor to another

by dcr (no login)

i go along with that.

any legal but potentially detrimental moves to hurt the running of government, such as delaying paying utilities or the likes, would sound like kicking the dog because it is the hated husbands favorite pet.

Posted on May 3, 2001, 1:14 PM
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a dog that bites the master

by Napanice (no login)

needs a good kick. but seriously, hurting the economy will hurt everybody eventually. there have been negative changes in the country; over population, pollution, remittance economy, corruption, crime, drugs just to name a few. what's gloria's next move, i wonder? her priorities are not encouraging.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 1:47 PM
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We may not be in a position to do anything

by Feling (no login)

except express disapproval. The order right now is to disperse any group of five or more. Groups of four can stand at about ten feet from each other all over the city doing nothing.Show your numbers and and stand around . . . without talking to anybody or each other. Maybe, sing--any song. Hymns will be preferable. It wonder how the headlines would look when people get arrested for singing in public.

As many people as possible could wait until the last possible moment to pay their utilities or anything they have on credit. Five days late would not cause them to be taken to court or have their cars repo'ed, but it certainly will have an effect on the cash flow of the companies concerned.

Non-violent, legal action can be the answer.

Posted on May 3, 2001, 12:53 PM
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where it hurts the most.

by Napanice (no login)

The uneven distribution of wealth is the result of previous events which allowed the unabashed accumulation of it by the few while depriving the rest of any means to advance. As it is, there are economic and political infrastructures in place today that ensures the entrenchment of this condition. Money laundering is one of them.

Since money is the prime commodity that determines wealth, it's abolition will instantly have an effect not on the lean and mean but on those with fat accounts in the banks. A worthless currency makes everyone evenly poor, this is exactly what happened in the last war when Japanese money was introduced and became totally worthless in record time. People used paper bags full of it just to pay for food.

The poor can survive without it, they are even better equipped than the rich when it comes to scrounging for the next meal. If the peso is rejected as a viable form of exchange by the majority of the population, the tower of the elites will collapse suddenly.

A thought that occurred, but who knows? The exchange rate is not getting any better.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 1:34 PM
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You don't incite for mass rebellion do you or else...

by Moonyeen (no login)

You will be arrested for sedition with warrantless arrest....hehehehehe!

Maybe, try to begin renouncing your catholic faith! It looks like the song "I renounce my religion". If all the 80% catholics will find other religion like INC, Born Again Christian, Jehova or any religion except catholic then maybe the influential Sin will no longer in the picture...

If the government abused the military, there will come a time that these men in uniform will switch again. They did it already many times.


Money still buys honor, dignity and pride.



MY

Posted on May 3, 2001, 1:27 PM
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The bottom line is

by Feling (no login)

we have been quite willing to accept expediency for principles; faith in personalities rather than a system that seeks to benefit everyone and allow class mobility. We have corrupted or not really defined catch phrases such as "for the good of the country" "Constitutional" and "unconstitutional."

On top of that, people power has meant "power for (some of)the people and human rights are only what you can afford to buy with money.

We all want to see things improve in our lifetime. But some wrongs should never be accepted, even if it is just in your individual mind.

Posted on May 3, 2001, 11:58 AM
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We need a new President!

by Makabayan (no login)

A new President that will put together the Filipino people as a whole. Not a corrupt nor a communist!

Posted on May 3, 2001, 1:45 PM
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Yes, in the year 2004.

by Napanice (no login)

How can the ruling of the Supreme Court be reversed unless they do it themselves? They are the ultimate judges and their decision on Gloria's legitimacy stands for the balance of Erap's term.

Sorry to blow your bubble, I'm just sad that things happened the way they did.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 1:52 PM
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Jail the BILL OF RIGHTS TOO.

by Moonyeen (no login)

NINEZ CACHO-OLIVARES
The barbaric civil society



At the Edsa Shrine on Labor Day, where Gloria and Jaime Sin's "civil society" reigned anew, an announcement to the effect that Sen. Juan Ponce Enrile had been arrested by the police without any warrant was greeted by the crowd with applause, as was the announcement of a list of opposition leaders tagged by the government as coup plotters who were being hunted down by the police under a warrantless arrest order, by virtue of Gloria's declaration of a state of rebellion, after the Tuesday rioting had occurred.

The elite's reaction to Gloria's strongman tactics and unconstitutional acts as well as her blatant violations of the Filipinos' Bill of Rights was appalling, for it was evident that these elite groupings, whom the masses in society have rejected, believe that it is Gloria's administration that decides which opinions are hateful and incendiary and that the rights and liberties of a people are divisible and serve to protect only those who share Gloria's government's political stand.

The Bill of Rights where our liberties are defined apply to all. The liberties of a people are guaranteed under our Constitution, not to protect the government and its abuses but to protect the individuals and even more important, the accused, against the abuses of government.

Liberty must be understood by the elitist group now in power and position to mean that even in a democracy and even under Gloria's unconstitutional state of rebellion or martial law, the rights of these individuals, even if suspected by the government to be the leaders of the massive crowd that stormed Malacañang, cannot be, and must not be, curtailed for political expendiency's sake.

If only the political beliefs of the elitist group or any government in power were protected, then there is no need for a Bill of Rights.

Instead of applauding government's repressive and unconstitutional act of decimating the members of the political opposition by having them arrested on the basis of mere suspicion and without warrant, without even knowing what the charges are and without a preliminary investigation, the elite groupings at Edsa, many of whom fought against the Marcos government's repression and warrantless arrests, should come to the defense of these political opposition figures even if their views are unethical to theirs, because if they don't, then our liberties are not secure and neither are their liberties, which they appear to believe are their exclusive rights.

What if the tables are turned and it is they whom the government will persecute? What then? Will they denounce these abuses only when these rights and liberties are denied them?

If they don't defend the rights of the accused, then obviously none of them believe in the Bill of Rights and the liberties of a people. They believe then that liberties are rights vested only on special groups like theirs which support the current administration.

It is appalling to hear people such as Jovito Salonga, Bobby Tañada and others who are now with the Arroyo administration all defending Gloria's state of rebellion and her orders to the military and police for these political opposition members' unconstitutional arrests without warrants, including Gloria's banning of the rights of a people to peaceably assemble since she has now forbidden more than four persons to get together.

As for the others who have not come to the defense of the Bill of Rights, the Constitution and our indivisible liberties, such as the so-called freedom fighters of the martial law regime like the media, the human rights lawyers and the civil libertarians who saw the danger and menace of a powerful government that suppressed their liberties, their silence is deafening.

They, the passionate freedom fighters during the Marcos regime, have become the new barbarians of society today; the oppressors of the opposition, but hypocritically disguising themselves as the freedom-loving "civil society" under a so-called democratic system.

They are a barbaric civil society.





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Right On! Olivares. You said it!

by Feling (no login)

Hi, Yeen. 'morning to you. That is one fine piece. I wonder if they would jail her too. I hope the ninja turtoise would make the mistake of trying to curtail this member of the media.



Posted on May 3, 2001, 9:19 AM
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I always like to read her column..it is so cool...

by Moonyeen (no login)

Sorry, I didn't hear you. I was at the airport around that time.

My boss is telling me, "What happen to your country"? And I said, just a little buit of civil war and then he keeps on talking that Philippines is not a good place to conduct business because of these so called-people power. The most funny thing he said, your president is so ugly. She doesn't look presidential. She looks like....blah....well, I can not say it here because it is very ugly. Well, that's how other races perceived Gloria.

Oh! Boy...she needs to get an adviser fast to advise her how to talk and how to dress.


MY

Posted on May 3, 2001, 12:12 PM
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And why not, the Constitution is already at Ft. Sto. Domingo?

by Napanice (no login)

When the MILITARY defected and A NEW EXECUTIVE was sworn in by THE JUSTICE DEPT. after the LEGISLATURE failed to impeach, the Constitution was essentially imprisoned.

And with that precedent established, there is no telling what laws will be implemented if any. For sure, it will favor those who will gain most from it.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 9:37 AM
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Incredible, but its true!

by Feling (no login)

At the same time, the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) urged the Arroyo administration yesterday to pursue the charges against Estrada.

The CBCP, in an appeal to the leaders of the Pro-Erap Movement, described as "morally and totally unacceptable" proposals to reinstall Estrada to the presidency.

CBCP president Orlando Quevedo also dismissed as "unacceptable" proposals to refrain from pursuing the cases as well as the manipulation of the just grievances of the poor for one’s personal agenda.

He also condemned as "unacceptable" the creation of one’s own moral truth and justice for the sake of a personal version of the common good.

"This is our own resolve. We shall defend the above convictions without fear of any person or any human force. The moral truth, justice and the common good that impel us and God will make us prevail," he said. — With Sandy Araneta


THESE BISHOPS ARE TOTALLY INSENSITIVE TO THE MASSES OR HUMAN RIGHTS. THE STANCE IS INCONSISTENT WITH THEIR ROLE AS EVANGELISTS. INDIVIDUAL CATHOLICS WHO DISAGREE WITH THESE BISHOPS SHOULD SEND LETTERS TO THE VATICAN, INDIVIDUALLY, AND THREATEN TO BOLT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IF THIS SORT OF MODEL ON THE PART OF THEIR CHURCH LEADERS DO NOT STOP. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO CHRISTIAN CHARITY?

Posted on May 3, 2001, 9:39 AM
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True, the bed is brimming with occupants.

by Napanice (no login)

Now we see the wisdom in catering to the military, the church, the elite, the militants, the commies, etc.

Oops, sorry poor. We've just run out of space.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 9:44 AM
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Sooner or later (soon I hope) some would end up on top

by Feling (no login)

and the ones below would either scream and get out of bed or stay and bear their position--anything to stay in bed.

Posted on May 3, 2001, 10:18 AM
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That's fact.

by Napanice (no login)

So now our Igorota puppet must not only dance but juggle coconuts too. One slip and it falls in bed cracking somebody's head.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 10:56 AM
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Let's see what happens when

by Feling (no login)

The U.S. decides they want another base in the Philippines under the guise of a repair facility that would create jobs for the country. This new round of low level conflict with the Chinese mainland might be the impetus for that.

The left would naturally bolt the alliance of convenience and possibly incite the masses and blame it on the Pro-Estrada elements. I know it would present a predicament for Gloria but I don't know if I want to see that because I am quite sure the masses will be the victims again.

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Pros and cons

by Napanice (no login)

Any move to bring the US back, and don't underestimate the power of observation, will be met with instant resistance from the left. Cries of imperialism and puppetry to the Americans will certainly ring loud and clear among the militants who will now splatter paint at both US and RP govt. seals. Is there an unholy alliance between Gloria and Sison to cause concern over this issue? Probably.

However if as you stated the operation starts covertly as a legitimate site for commerce and creates plentiful jobs for civilians, it just might happen. We have our own set of problems with China et al over the Spratlys so that also means not only the local hostiles will be watching but others as well. I'm sure you're aware that Pacific Rim countries were alarmed by Bush's proposal to re-arm Taiwan with modern weapons.

Napanice


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why are you surprise

by CoeL (no login)

The ghost of Father Damaso has not left us!

Posted on May 3, 2001, 10:37 AM
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surprised and scared

by Napanice (no login)

because of what fruits the tree will bear. Surely some of the friars of the CBCP are getting the itch to emulate the big cheese and they're trying their very best to follow his footsteps.

And one who succeeds will be rewarded for sure with the comfort of a mansion, the revered dedication of the elite, the power to influence political figures, the popularity even with the Vatican, and finally the chance to commune with God at a level higher than most.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 11:40 AM
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God bless my soul

by MAWI (no login)

Now I fear death!

I would die for the second time if I see Quevedo at the Gate with San Pedro!

hehehe

Posted on May 3, 2001, 10:54 AM
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Someone should ask Bishop Quevedo how he is related to Gen. Ver

by Feling (no login)

I wonder if he is simply overcompensating.

Posted on May 3, 2001, 11:05 AM
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Now, there's a pickle of a situation the Supreme Court is in

by Feling (no login)

Should they affirm Gloria's 'state of rebellion' and make themselves vulnerable just like everybody else to arrest if they don't toe the line? Or perhaps, Divine Providence conjured the situation just so the Supreme Court Justices can clearly see the mess they have created and then have a chance to redeem themselves.

Posted on May 3, 2001, 10:10 AM
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They love pickles!

by Napanice (no login)

What more can be said of the SC, they know what they're up against in terms of political, economic, and most important media clout? Bad publicity begets negative ratings, some of Gloria's ex-appointees found that out. Therefore, it justifies a hatchet action to nip it in the bud. But wait, these justices are not dumb and they're more than willing to be subservient as proven in the past. To save faces on both sides, the declaration will be lifted after seven days or sooner if the condition warrants. Meanwhile after hearing the court arguments, the SC can take its own sweet time to decide while waiting for a text message.

The ruling comes down sternly and based upon the Law of the Land, but it's devious as hell.

"The Court found evidence beyond reasonable doubt that there was a hint of a Rebellion based upon the newspaper's accounting of an attempted coup plot. However, the Bill of Rights must stand despite the recent events. Therefore warrantless arrests cannot be justified. However, detention of suspects for questioning is part of the lawn and an extension beyond the normal 24 hours can be granted if requested.

In order to preserve peace and law and order which this court is part responsible for, the Department of Justice is therefore mandated to issue warrants of arrests to seditious individuals as soon as the rebellion declaration is lifted."

And by that time, Gloria is scot free and she's got all her enemies or most of them in a barrel.

Napanice



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I Hope to God you're wrong, Nap but

by Feling (no login)

Your acute sense of smell has proven right on target so many time, I'm afraid you're going to be right on the nose again this time.

Posted on May 3, 2001, 11:00 AM
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You don't win for not thinking.

by Napanice (no login)

The instinct for survival is part of our dna unfortunately. The brain has dna. Ergo, survive!

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 11:08 AM
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And so far, Gloria has been winning.

by Napanice (no login)

But make no mistake, he winnings are short-lived because the thinking part is external to her. She is a puppet par excellence.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 11:27 AM
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Lift the State of Rebellion Now!

by manggagawa (no login)

Press Statement
Partido ng Manggagawa (http://www.manggagawa.cjb.net)
May 3, 2001

Lift the state of rebellion now!

The workers together with other progressives must protest the state of rebellion by launching mass actions everyday at Mendiola until it is lifted. We do not fear arrest nor dispersal for justice is on our side. Like the poor who stormed Malacanang, our militance springs not from the power of drugs or alcohol but from anger at the injustice of present society.

The declaration of a state of rebellion in Metro Manila must be lifted now for it is a clear and present danger to civil liberties and the freedom of political dissent. The order from the WPD and Manila City Hall banning any protest within the city is an illegal injunction on the constitutional right to peaceful assembly. This is just the initial foray against the Bill of Rights that is not supposed to be suspended even in a state of martial law.

If the government insists that pro-Erap politicians were behind a power grab then it must arrest them on the basis of solid evidence but spare the freedom of political dissent. The declaration of a state of rebellion shows only that the government lacks the evidence to arrest and prosecute, according to recognized processes, those it has accused.

But more than that, the declaration is meant to strike fear in the hearts of the people. It is a sword of Damocles above the heads of political dissenters. Rather than initiate dialogue and communication with the discontented masses that rose up in anger and stormed Malacanang, GMA is closing a channel for the redress of grievances.

GMA's slip is showing with her categorical defense of the declaration of a state of rebellion. It exposes her fear of the empowered masses despite her rhetoric of a new politics. It exhibits her reliance on military force despite her people power demagoguery.

The fact that the US Embassy was among the first to express its support the GMA in the midst of the May Day siege of Malacanang reveals a mouthful whose interests are served by "law and order" and the "duly constituted government."

The dispersal of thousands of poor and impoverished protesters at Malacanang and the crackdown against the pro-Erap trapos is not a defense of democracy. It is simply the preservation of the rule of one camp of the elite against their reactionary rivals. The people, especially the working class, have no stake in the bitter political contest among the factions of the elite. Labor must be the backbone of a third force that must be a third option aside from the reactionary camps of Erap and GMA.

The working class calls on the poor and impoverished, who are our brothers and sisters. You have been abandoned by the likes of Miriam, Enrile, Gringo and Lacson. You must desert them in return. Let the workers and the poor band together in our own movement independent of any faction of the elite. Let us unite in our own movement to fight for our own interests. ###


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Wasn't your party involved in elevating Gloria?

by Feling (no login)

Are you a communist organization? I visited your website and your logo struck me: The hammer and the sickle. What are you up to really?

Posted on May 3, 2001, 8:15 AM
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Of course they want the best of both worlds

by Napanice (no login)

While Gloria contemplates the ramifications of rebellion, there must be an effort to regain the lost support of the voters. What better way than to use a third party pretending 'anti-rebellion' but in reality just another campaign body for the PPC.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 8:33 AM
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Talaga Po Naman!

by Feling (no login)

I wish I could just zap some people into Ninja Turtles. That's it! I knew from looking at some photos that she reminded me of something. She's certainly the right size.

Posted on May 3, 2001, 8:49 AM
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Turtle Brained or a Brained Turle?

by Napanice (no login)

Cinderfella can be Erap then he can wish for a fairy that will transform things magically. Well, do you have the right wand and dress to start things going?

Napanice


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I think I'll write a movie script for the masses.

by Feling (no login)

what do you think? Got any ideas for a storyline?

Posted on May 3, 2001, 9:00 AM
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In my movie, siempre

by Feling (no login)

bida ang masa and they'll win!

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It could be a political explosive

by Napanice (no login)

not unlike a banned novel. But if it was done then, so it can be done now since the goal is still the same - reforms and changes.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 9:23 AM
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Please do!

by Napanice (no login)

There must be an inspiring force from which the masses can draw strength and identify with. Where are they now and where were they a century ago? There must be a point of reference and a restoration of lost values. The story IMO should be a flashback to the past when heroism and patriotism were first and foremost among the people; it was a time of hardship and struggle. Then a present day presentation of recent events and an imaginative projection of future possibilities.

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Posted on May 3, 2001, 9:20 AM
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Definitely

by Feling (no login)

The contemporary Sisa is not going to get crazy but fight; and I'm sure my Fili would have a Simon Bolivar who prevails.

Posted on May 3, 2001, 10:02 AM
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So let it be done

by Napanice (no login)

in a fashion that a literary artist will admire, let it be realistic and thought provoking, a mix of idealism but tempered with winnable goals. Let the characters reflect the present day society, as it was done in the Noli and Fili. You are the dreamer and the imagination can be a powerful tool. Greeks believe in tragic endings and Rizal must have read a lot of it; the darkness to him was ominous.

You decide.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 11:05 AM
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Don't worry, no Greek am I.

by Feling (no login)

And I will.

Posted on May 3, 2001, 11:07 AM
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Even now, the KMU is agitating for Miriam Santiago's arrest

by Feling (no login)

why? Because she is the most vocal in questioning Constitutional issues relating to Gloria's assumption of the presidency? What are the communists up to really? Just implementing a policy via its various cells to inch to a position of total control via a policy of pitting one non-communist group against the others?

Our people have not even succeeded in completely throwing off our half-a millennium of colonial deprivation. If the USSR could not sustain communism where they were totally in control, why do ideologues think that a communist system can be installed in the Philippines? The only thing that the movement accomplishes is to subject the country to the destabilizing effects of a declared rebellion which Gloria is not about to address. Let's face it: the leaders, at the height of the ideology's allure in the 60's and 70's are now grey, tired, middle aged and realize that they have given the best years of their lives to an ideology that is passe before they could attain their goals in the Philippines.


Posted on May 3, 2001, 8:40 AM
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First things first

by Napanice (no login)

Get rid of the common enemy then we'll talk about differences later. It really pays to have both the militants and the military on your side these days, they're highly trained in their specialty. Militants can infiltrate and conduct agitation and propaganda broadcasts while the military can setup check points and conduct intelligence activities. These two complement each other to form a formidable machinery.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 8:51 AM
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Let's hope that they

by Feling (no login)

cancel each other out soon enough.

Posted on May 3, 2001, 8:54 AM
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Someone should say 'Your wish is my Comand!'

by Napanice (no login)

With communism in the Philippines being one of the oldest rebellion in the world, the possibility is remote specially with recent negotiations giving them a position of advantage. Political power makes compromises to maintain its hold, the reckoning can come later when real conflict begins. And by that time, the plane ticket and passport will provide the much desired sanctuary of peace. The past repeats in so many different ways.

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Posted on May 3, 2001, 9:28 AM
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Ping Lacson: Hindi ako guilty.

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Hehehehehe, ang sabihin mo NATATAE KA SA TAKOT dahil nahuli na si Lolo Ponce Enrile, Unggoy Honasan at Mandarambong Maceda.

Bakit hindi pa hinuhuli si Miriam "Brenda" aka "Mayki" Santiago? Pagka't wala pang bakanteng kama sa Mandaluyong!!

Ibagsak si Lacson, itaas si Glo-mac!! Bakit 'ka mo? Kasi pandak si Glomac kaya kailangang itaas.

Bwahahahahaha!!!

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Posted on May 3, 2001, 2:17 AM
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Nakakatakot ang tawa mo...

by MAWI (no login)

parang sintoma at palatandaan yan na baka maunahan mo si Miriam...

Posted on May 3, 2001, 9:50 AM
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How about those 900 Mayors who 'withdrew' support from Gloria?

by Feling (no login)

What retaliatory steps are awaiting them, I wonder.

Posted on May 3, 2001, 12:28 AM
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They don't count

by Napanice (no login)

since that would include Reyes et al in the barrel. The military support was the big factor at EDSA 3. But having just turned their coat, that meant the top brasses were no longer inclined to withdraw their support and so the call went to the lower echelons which did not carry political clout, merely a symbol of strength. IMO, it was the uncertainty factor that prevented an early planning although rumors of the YOU expressing their hatred for Gloria after the MILF and NDF events were sure signs of a possible military alliance. Too bad.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 8:44 AM
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Bayan Ko

by Makabayan (no login)

Para sa inyo mga kababayan,

Ang bayan kung Pilipinas
Lupain ng ginto't bulaklak
Pag-ibig na sa kanyang palad
Nagalay ng ganda at dilag
At sa kanyang yumi at ganda
Dayuhan ay na halina
Bayan ko binihag ka nasadlak sa dusa
Ibon man may layang lumipad
Kulungin mo at umiiyak
Bayan pa kayang sakdal dilag
Ang di magnasang makaalpas
Pilipinas kung minumutya
Pugad ng luha at dalita
Aking adhika makita kang sakdal laya.

Mabuhay ang Pilipinas! Ang masasabi ko lang saiyo Gloria Arroyo ay palabasin mo sa kulungan si
President Joseph Estrada. Hindi kita itinuturing na
Presidente ng Pilipinas dahil wala ka pang nagawang kabutihan sa ating bayan. Ang alam ko lang na nagawa mo ay guluhin ang mga kababayan natin. Nilason mo ang utak nila! I think it is time for you to step down!
And we as a Filipino people have the right to protest, if your doing is wrong. As far as of my undrstanding, you just love your self to be called as a President of the Philippines. And I don't think you're good enough to care about the confused Filipino. You just being selfish! Your done nothing but troubled!

Regards to everyone 'til next time....








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Have no fear, the election is near.

by Napanice (no login)

Supposedly that's when the bayan can really do an EDSA, if you know what I mean.

Napanice




Posted on May 3, 2001, 8:27 AM
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When the masses learn where their power lies, then they will succeed

by Feling (no login)

and would have deserved it. They must understand that they can't possibly out-gun the administration since they don't have guns or any kinds of weapon. That only leaves the legal silent, non-violent way. For example: What if even 20,000 start jogging around Makati especially the hotels catering to the foreign tourists? That wouldn't be against the law and totally under the jurisdiction of the City of Makati. If 20,000 each were to do the same thing in Caloocan, Pasig, Pasay, Quezon City, Mandaluyong, Manila. I'm pretty sure there's no law against jogging in the books. Besides, the Philippines does not have a big enough jail to hold 100,000 people. If they try to arrest, don't fight, just sit and let them carry the arrestee.

Of if the 20,000 per city were to start begging each car on the intersection or just walk around Glorietta, Mega-mall and all the places of business and fill it to capacity without really buying anything.

The sheer numbers of the people will accomplish a really non-violent lawful assertion of their rights. But that kind of movement will need someone like Ghandi.

Posted on May 3, 2001, 8:13 AM
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A well-organized, sustainable plan will.

by Napanice (no login)

The carabao is a huge animal that can block the road and stop traffic. But alas, it does not have the smarts and is easily scared away. It has no idea how strong and menacing it can be. A few computer chips implanted in the cerebellum could spark intelligence.

Ghandi's British education is like a chip.

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 8:23 AM
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Next: OPLAN DAGDAG-BAWAS

by Napa Nice (no login)

There are at least two options for the usurper at this point considering that the rift between govt and the people has widened after the past events. Doom is just around the corner for her party at the polls. What can be expected from her remains to be seen but for sure the candidates associated with her are in danger of losing miserably.

An attempt to hype the victory and the instant recovery of the economy will be conducted via the subservient media in order to recoup the losses. To assure itself, surveys will be conducted and glowing results will once again cover the headlines. "She did the right thing, the country is back on track".

But what if the hype does not work? What if the genuine surveys show a grim picture ahead on May 14? If the SC sides with her on the rebellion declaration, we can pretty much be sure that these people are 'in the bag'. What more could be fitting than using both militant and communist forces to sow terror and chaos countrywide in the guise of 'Erap supporters turned hardcore rebels'? This is a distinct possibility if the election is not postponed. And in the middle of that confusion and disarray with the opposition locked behind bars, with the will of the people totally 'crushed', a tobacco-wielding tactician steps in to save the day.

'13-0. The people supports Gloria and the PPC!"

Napanice


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Posted on May 2, 2001, 9:30 AM
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tobacco-wielding tactician?

by wow! (no login)

who? ramos? u believed maceda then. ramos' wife attested when she was interviewed by frontpage in channel 7 that ramos had just arrived from abroad. so maybe ramos was overtly communicating with maceda while away from the whole event in manila about the plan of gma. is that why maceda press released this story? i dont get it.

Posted on May 2, 2001, 9:49 PM
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and an iron-fisted puppet.

by Napanice (no login)

Military generals use to lead troops into battle, such as Alexander the Great and Hannibal. Well someone decided that was far too costly so they invented the wireless. Now they don't have to scream their commands nor the bugle sound it, information technology has been put to service. Do you get my drift?

Napanice


Posted on May 3, 2001, 8:16 AM
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Operatives and Militants

by Napanice (no login)

There is always another version to a story, and this one suggests the infiltration of the mammoth body by agitators from the military and militant groups whose job it was to incite the crowd into action. The event took place at dawn and under the cover of darkness and lack of leadership, who can say exactly who's who among the crowd, they all looked like Pilipinos.

Napanice


Posted on May 2, 2001, 10:11 AM
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Hmmmm...it could be.

by Moonyeen (no login)

There's a lot of scenarios that we can think of. But my friend used to tell me that some of the big shots at the Justice department can bring out prisoners in the middle of the night to do the dirty job for them if they want to kill someone. My friend father's-in-law works at the justice department.

The smoke of that big tobacco is so poisonous. It really kills... Whaooooooo..



MY

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A virus has a tendency

by Napanice (no login)

to disable the host. I wouldn't be surprised if several options were already in an agenda long before the event happened. Someone must be using a wireless laptop while in flight and by that I don't mean Red.

Napanice


Posted on May 2, 2001, 10:26 AM
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It sure as hell wasn't me!

by Red Angel (no login)

That's for sure! I'm always in flight
Flights of fancy not included



Posted on May 2, 2001, 10:51 AM
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Fancy Shmancy

by Napanice (no login)

Had enough kosher lately? How's the trip? You do have a way of getting in touch before you even touch ground. Welcome home buddy!

Napanice


Posted on May 2, 2001, 11:30 AM
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Thanks.

by Red Angel (no login)

Busy as usual. Still trying to post whenever I can.
Kosher is good for you!

Posted on May 2, 2001, 2:25 PM
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I know! The stuff is good.

by Napanice (no login)

And so is matzo meal. I can't wait to hear you, SG and BoyetJr finally meet, soon I hope. Keep busy, you earned it. Hehehe.

Napanice


Posted on May 2, 2001, 2:45 PM
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Nap

by BoyetJr (no login)

Have not met SG just yet but now, Red's home, I believed. I will meet them both simultaneously (hopefully, if time warrants) when I go back in Houston sometimes. I received a wake up call just last week from a prominent physician in Houston's Hermann Memorial Hospital wanting to build an eigth-bedroom residence along Memorial Rd. He seemed attracted to what I designed/built there just recently. I'll go back there soon as the loop will be closed.

BoyetJr



Posted on May 2, 2001, 7:53 PM
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Give my regards to both of them

by Napanice (no login)

if you should be lucky enough to meet them. Hey, make time for this one you've been itching for it when Red was gone remember? This prominent physician, does he have a bachelor daughter? Find out ok?

Napanice


Posted on May 2, 2001, 9:46 PM
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Kamag-aral, they are all Filipinos

by CoeL (no login)

with different loyalties boiled down to some sort of class war; the rich and elitist versus the poor, "ignorant" and "stupid". The communist are just watching ready to exploit and strike.

This class war has divided the Filipinos into hostile camps, changing political argument into blind hate.

There must be a way to settle their differences in a "civil society". If this continuous on, one side or the other may overturn the hustings with a mob force and the road to dictatorship will be open to anybody who can persuasively promise security to all and the distribution of wealth as ably can be produce. A martial government or left leaning anarchy with their charming phrases will engulf our freedom as well as our democractic society. No one wins except the communist!

Posted on May 2, 2001, 11:45 AM
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Coel, keep the events around EDSA 3 in mind before you read this

by Napanice (no login)

then tell me how many kinds of Pilipinos we have in our country now. The don't exactly look alike, think alike, or even like each other. The vestiges of the past are still with us today and although we call ourselves free, the others may not see it that way.

I posted this in order to present the uncanny parallelism in the events that happened recently with what happened over a century ago except today, they're 'all' Filipinos.

Napanice

The Propaganda Movement was moderate, seeking greater autonomy within the Spanish Empire and a reduction of
the influence of the hated Spanish friars, who wielded extensive political and judicial powers: Marcelo del Pilar was ordered jailed by a parish priest in 1869 for questioning the collection of baptismal fees. The Spaniards, largely at the instigation of the friars, responded to the demands of the propagandists with violent repression, imprisoning or deporting many leaders. Filipinos sought more radical solutions.

On August 19, 1896 a traitor denounced the society to the Spaniards, who responded with a series of crushing raids, closing the Katipunan print shop and making hundred of arrests. Bonifacio and other leaders retreated north to Balintawak, between Manila and Bulakan, where they openly declared the insurrection.

Spanish troops marched on Bulakan, inflicting defeat after defeat on the inexperienced Katipunan forces. In November the Spanish massacred several hundred Katipuneros in San Rafael, Bulakan; in the first week of December seven young Bulakan men, led by del Pilar, volunteered for military service with a Katipunan leader named Maestrong Sebio, a revolutionary mystic who prayed aloud in battle and claimed invulnerability to bullets. Maestrong Sebio's forces attacked a Spanish garrison unsuccessfully on Dec. 28; on Jan. 1 his citadel was surrounded and razed. Del Pilar escaped; Sebio was captured, and after an abortive rescue attempt led by del Pilar, he was executed. Lightly wounded in the rescue attempt, del Pilar sought refuge in the mountains and fishponds of the Bulakan hinterlands.

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In a battle

by Red Angel (no login)

Science and technology allied with good tactics under an overall strategy will always win against superstition and fanaticism.

Not until the Katipuneros learned to use guns and adapt tactics and strategy did they begin to change the tide. Until then they had to rely on their itak, tabak and santong panalangin.

Posted on May 2, 2001, 2:32 PM
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Christian soldiers they are.

by Napanice (no login)

We saw it a century ago and we're still seeing it today. The poor still remain uneducated, untrained, and unwavering in their belief that one day their battle will be won. It is the upper class who now wield the technology and armor, the lower still has to catch up painfully and slowly.

Napanice


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The living past!

by CoeL (no login)

It is easy to forget the lessons of our past but when we face tyranny and oppression we follow the usual course of our history and repeat thesame mistake. The recent events in Manila is but a replica of our past.

Since the Spanish came up to the present we have been governed by religious groups as theocracy, by oligarchies, a minority group and after independence by democractic form of government but in this form you have to be wealthy to run for office. Yet inspite of our progress in some ways we are still under the yoke of religious groups and the oligarchies.

We have progress but have not change actually.



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The Master needs a butler

by Napanice (no login)

Once the Philippines was subjugated, everyone became spoils of war. In ancient times, that means they were either enslaved or killed. But we were somewhat lucky, the Spaniards were a religious people and initially the intent was to Christianize, to enlighten.

Well, it didn't turn out that way since distance from the crown allowed the colonists to get away with more than their just reward. I can only imagine that their power over the people at that time was absolute as long as the bullion of gold and goodies kept flowing in Spain. This is what our people went through for four centuries; subservient, ignorant, and suppressed.

It will take time but one day someone will come to lead them out of their misery.

Napanice


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ISYU 101

by Jek (no login)

Tonight's show at ISYU 101 sa Channel 2 sinasabing Anti Erap ang nagumpisa ng gulo. The group was discussing what happened in Mendiola May 1 at 3 am
so for those who have abs cbn chsnnel 2 you should have watched it.
Besides no one can guarantee that all those at Mendiola were all ProERAP.
Nakakaawa ang Pilipinas meroon tayong sinasabing legitimate daw siyang Presidente.
Agree ba kayong lahat?
seguro kung hindi nang agaw si BANSOT ng position,
walang problema ang ating bansa.




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really?

by wow! (no login)

i watched the show! ang nagsasabing anti-erap ang nag-umpisa ay ang inaanak ni erap na pastor who was there at mendiola as he claims. those who tried to stop their rank from hurling stones at the policemen would yell 'ang mambato ay anti-erap!' so when some of them were not restrained and still throw rocks, then they labeled them as anti-eraps. as simple as that. nakupo! kuha ko na ang logic ni jek! ganon lang pala yon!

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Rebellion

by Jek (no login)

If there is anyone guilty of Sedition and Rebellion
it is Gloria BANSOT Macapagal Arroyo together with those military officers who connived with her to oust Estrada
Dapat din hulihin niya si Luis Jalandoni, Joma Sison who are the Real Rebels. Sila ang tunay na REBELDE at tunay na pumapatay at nangingikil sa mga Inosenteng kababayan natin sa mga probinsiya.
Binigyan pa ng Bansot na iyan ng state Dinner sa malacanang. Kaya nakatakot na ang ating gobyerno. Magkakaroon ng pagkakataon ang mga communistang iyan na magkaroon ng position sa ating pamahalaan.

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Hi Jek

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Got any inside info as to how Gloria managed to intimidate the INK into stopping its coverage of the rally?

Posted on May 3, 2001, 1:03 AM
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Church Doctrine

by Jek (no login)

Feling,it is a church doctrine na nagsasabing
Give to Caesar what is due Caesar...
we have to submit to the government as long as the government does not stop us from worshipping God
The church did not sanction the presence of the INC members in that rally. The church did not stop the members to participate and there was a very strict order not to engage in any violence.
GMA knows the power of the INC, and she will not eeven dare to try it.
Marcos tried and he did not succeed, instead he turned around and befriended the church. Gloria was also supported by the church when she ran for Vice President.

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Prayer Rally

by Jek (no login)

There will be a Prayer Rally tpday at MacArthur Park at 5:30 PM May 3 for Pro Erap & Anti Erap.
Be there and join them at least dito sa parteng America, magkasundo ang anti at Pro.

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News columnists opinion(s) re EDSA 3.....

by BoyetJr (no login)

Power grabbing as a major disease in our country brings into an acute space of tragic problems that have their devastating injuries that social force can inflict on Filipino experience. These results from what political, economic and institutional power does to people and from how these forms of power themselves influence the responses to social problems. These are situations that usually divided among separates fields that simultaneously involve moral, legal and even religious issues. They destabilize established categories. The pain and disorders to which atrocities gives rise are these EDSA gatherings, but, yet… they are political matters. Similarly, money and ignorance are the major factor(?) for all these Edsa’s major participants, but again and yet, in the contrary, this may show another way saying that their participation is a social indicator of progress or an acquired social process. But although it was shared across high-income, jobless and low-income societies, it affected primarily those who are desperately poor and powerless. This truth is not merely a statistical correlation but a causal web in our country’s political economy. The vicious spiral of political violence causing forced division, and deep trauma to individuals, families and communities, while intensifying domestic sufferings, spins out of control across a bureaucratic landscape of legal and social welfare.

Were the three (3) Edsa’s critically explore the way our historically and culturally shaped commitments to particular versions of our social modernization construct moral quandaries and how our usual practices of casting social sympathy as “normal” obscure by that so-called greatly workings of power by a few self-centered individuals in our social life? Pursuing these destabilizing experiences as a result of Edsa 3, those columnist’s like De Quiroz, Dorilla, etc. who cast their opinions showed the permeability between the borders of moral imagination, bodily affect and social processes. They demonstrated that both the varieties of human misery and the various sides of social and political environment of these “truly a dangerous occurrences” interfuse, so that it is no longer useful to insist upon artificial boundaries that divide an unruly nation into tidy analytic chambers. I salute these columnists!

Red Angel, dumating ka na pala. How was your trip to Israel and Vatican?

BoyetJr


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The positive effect of EDSA 3

by Napanice (no login)

on these columnists, at least for the time being when memory and public interest serves it, is the awareness of the vast rift between Gloria's government and the poor caused by none other than the Supreme Court. Perhaps like the church and the govt, they made a few erroneous assumptions on the dedication of Erap's followers. This is to be expected since their close affilitiation with the elite has desensitized their senses to the plight of the poor.

Napanice


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The masa

by Feling (no login)

It's really not that complicated: Those who showed up at EDSA 3 (between 3-5 million) should not be demeaned and arbitrarily classified as ignorant. What's so difficult to understand from their point of view? They voted a man in in a free and relatively clean election; Their choice has been criticized and opposed, belittled and demeaned even before he was sworn in. Most of those who came out to protest his arrest and public humiliation believe that he was the only president who truly tried to fulfill his promise to help him. Many were saddened by the seeming veracity of those charges against him. Nevertheless they felt that the impeachment process was the constitutional way to go and preserve the rule of law--presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

Now that the facts are out regarding 'envelope 2 (nothing there) and it is confirmed (by Ms. Macapagal herself) that the plan to oust Estrada (by any means necessary) really took more than a year in the making, is it any wonder that the masses have concluded that there is one set of rules for the elite and another one for every body who is not a member of that elite? That human rights, constitutionality only protects the elite but non-applicable to every body else?

I think that what many have considered to be "for the good of the country" is really just expediency and bad for the country in the long run. The freedoms that can exist only in a democratic society reguires adherence to a system of laws that recognizes the equal protection and opportunity for all the citizens.

The Philippine system has long been skewed to benefit mainly the 'have's and and keep the "have-not's" more or less trapped in their stations. And it is going to be that way because the government is also controlled by the 'have's who certainly are not going to do anything to lessen their control.

The good of the country will not be served with the kind of precedent EDSA 2 and now Ms. Macapagalcoming up with terms like 'state of rebellion' that has no basis in law and with the visible disdain for the poor who really tried to assert their rights as citizens. To say that they are blind fanatics of Estrada, or that they were incited by the politicians in their march, is really to take away the credit that rightfully belongs to them--that of having the courage to literally put their lives on the line, without any organized food or water brigade to sustain them.

And if this government, or any government after this, do not learn the lessons of EDSA 3, I've got news for them: The masses will rise again. They already know they can do it, and who knows, next time they will succeed.

Most of the moneyed people who are behind Gloria do not care how she does it as long as she makes it possible for them to continue making their profits.



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Double Vision

by observer (no login)

Why is it that Pinoys seem to want to have the right to choose which laws to follow and which not to?

A few years back, a law was passed making the eating of dogs illegal. At a forum similar to this one, but with much more locals participating, many people voiced out their objections to the newly enacted law. "I will not follow it", one poster said, "Asocena is too delicious to stop -- even if it means breaking the law." Another claimed that dog-eating has long been a tradition is some parts of the country, and thus cannot be banned. It's funny because it was really simple -- by law having dogs for dinner is illegal, and yet it wasn't so simple for those that did not want it to be.

Then came the seatbelt law. Same thing. People refused to wear seatbelts because they've always not worn them. "Who cares if we get flung from our seats in a collision? I'm not wearing a seatbelt coz it messes up my shirt!" What about the jeepneys, probably one of the unsafest modes of transport even with a seatbelt? Seatbelts for each passenger at the back? Seatbelts for "sabits"? But still the fact remains -- to not wear a seatbelt meant you were breaking the law.

Now we have our present issue, that of the government that presently stands. Is the president really that woman that tries to talk tough? Or is it really that man languishing in a Laguna jail? The Supreme Court itself has spoken on who is the rightful president, and yet again we find those who just cannot respect that decision. "The Supreme Court is wrong!", some of us say. "It is a kangaroo court!", others agree. But again as always, the fact remains, the current president was affirmed by the highest court in the land thus making her truly and legally the president.

Let's ask ourselves -- are we honestly and truly for adherance to the law? Or are we kidding ourselves and are only really for what we believe in, the law be damned if it goes against us?


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not a viation of the LAW

by Jek (no login)

Hey guys.. It is not a violation of the Law until you are caught. Once you are caught, sorry ka na lang

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Violation not viation

by jek (no login)

wrong spelling.

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Jek

by BoyetJr (no login)

Prior of committing wrongdoing, if u know it is wrong or illegal, then you know with your conscience, you are violating a law. But in the vice versa, you are right, hehehe....

BoyetJr po

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Hey DCR, you think Easwood will beat Gloria to the draw?

by Napanice (no login)

Macapagal on martial law: 'Don't tempt me'
Posted: 6:41 AM (Manila Time) | May 02, 2001
By INQ7.net

"Huwag akong tuksuhin" ("don’t tempt me") was President Macapagal-Arroyo's response to questions on whether her declaration of a state of rebellion was a prelude to the declaration of martial law, according to DZBB morning report.

Napanice




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From an INQ7.net columnist

by RCDJr (no login)

Senate President Jovito Salonga told us in a brief phone interview some facts about this condition. The declaration of a state of rebellion is made as a response to, among others, lawless violence,
but it is definitely of lesser magnitude as martial law which he acknowledged to be masyadong mabigat. To be meaningful, declaring a state of rebellion has to be accompanied by a suspension of the
privilege of the writ of habeas corpus. This means anyone may be ordered by the President arrested with no questions asked, a condition that could last for 60 days. The state of rebellion has to be confirmed by Congress within 24 to 48 hours, but in the event
that it is not in session, such as now, Congress is authorized to convene within 24 hours even without a summons, to act on this declaration which it may choose to revoke. But legal experts opine that in view of the military ascendancy and the violent nature of
yesterday;s attacking mob, Congress may be in no mood to condemn the declaration.
Predictably, this declaration will be controversial, but perhaps there are conditions to which only the state is privy at the moment.


Sorry, Nap. Panay cut and paste ko ngayon.

BytJr


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A few drops to quench a thirst

by Napanice (no login)

Even before the SC can rule on the case submitted by the opposition, the govt would still have enough time to accomplish its goal of identifying and rounding up all those involved in the 'rebellion'. Berroya may have to work a few extra hours from now on, it's not a gravy job to be an intelligence chief while someone puffs tobacco smoke at your face.

Napanice


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no contest. eastwood is a snail.

by dcr (no login)

she shoots from the lip and asks questions later.

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And Gloria is a puppet with a master behind.

by Napanice (no login)

Yes, eastwood didn't stand a chance.

Napanice

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EDSA 3 was crushed, AS GLORIA PROMISED.

by Napanice (no login)

But the manner in which she executed it is very interesting. Erap is arrested and was ordered kept in the confines of Crame, a site close to the EDSA shrine. This prompted the instant gathering of supporters at the shrine, thus creating EDSA 3. As the days passed by, it was becoming obvious that the crowd will not dissipate but instead swelled into mammoth proportions. The body is getting bigger and the head is still intact.

Something had to be done. The police files a motion to remove the head using the security and public nuisance and destruction of private property excuse. People continued to arrive from all over including those who boarded ships from the nearby islands. Then an unexplainable return of a foreign ambassador whose military expertise in psychological warfare is know far and wide, followed by the unauthorized transfer of the head to a medical facility for 'physical examination' It was a strategic move to distance the head from the body but not enough to cause alarm among the crowd at the shrine. Well and good, there was no need to panic except perhaps on the side which was pulling hair all though the night figuring out how to neutralize the threat.

Then came the news of a fizzled coup plot, followed by the now famous "I shall crush you" that rang loud and clear to the ears of the mammoth crowd. Until then, everything was peaceful except for some minor event initiated by anti-Erap terrorists burning some banners. But right after the provocative threat from the palace was made, the crowd started to move towards the source of the provocation. The leaders senators who were happy to see the crowd growing in numbers and heeding their advice to remain calm and sober lost control and were no longer in authority.

What happened next is even more interesting for while the mammoth was moving away from the shrine, things were also moving out of the medical hospital. With a military airlift as vehicle, the head was spirited away effectivel severing it from the body. There is a mystery hanging around the medical facility before the airlift, a mild stroke was reported. It's quite possible that a powerful sedative was given to the head in order to immbolize his body and his heart slowed down considerably causing the coronary attack. Extremely groggy, the head was in no condition to resist any attempt to move him.

The body rushed into the palace blindfolded, they were totally disorganized and were ill-prepared to conduct an assault, much less a long-term siege. They were impatient and hostile, the objective is at hand just beyond the gate but there was no plan to execute. Violence was resorted to, obviously the only solution to a frustrating ordeal.

Another interesting development, an unsigned document was presented to the press by the usurper. It was purportedly a statement made by the head declaring his return from leave of absence thus making him the president again. The reason for creating this document is not fully understood, but it is clear that the usurper wanted the world to know that it was from the head himself. It could be an ace in the hole, just in case the mammoth crowd could not be stopped. With the head back as president, his sudden death would immediately transfer the seat to the constituted heir which is the vice-president. The question to be asked, was the document prepared under duress or while intoxicated by a mind drug?

With violence on the streets committed by frustrated supporters, it was time to break up the unruly crowd. Maximum tolerance has expired, the law was broken. From then on, it was just a matter of police work and the crowds were dispersed, never to come back again.

There was no other time that the clockwork of events took place but after the threatening words "I will crush you" were spoken.

Napanice


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This is a superb analysis.

by Moonyeen (no login)

But my question is, is the unsigned document found at the hospital room of Erap was written by hand? or it was just a typewritten note.

In times like this...magic do happen.


MY

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Probably

by Napanice (no login)

typewritten and all it needed was a signature. It was in English, Erap may misspell the legal words just as Disierto ommitted the word 'president'. Hehehe.

Napanice


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I WILL CRUSH YOU!

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Kay mayroon mang dapat na arestuhin ay itong si Gloria at si Cardinal Sin dahil sa kanilang mga binigkas na maliwanag na naghahamon sa mga tao. Opisyal ang kanyang pagdedeklara nito, hindi siya makapagkakaila. Itong si Sin naman, siya ang nagsabing pumunta sa Mendiola ang mga anti-Erap at ipagtanggol ang Bansot.

Samantala itong mga militante naman ay mga bahag ang buntot, hindi nagsilitaw. Har har har!

KaBiT10U


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What do you expect?

by CoeL (no login)

They have a warped view of reality! Persons of that ilk would naturally resort to such threat as they know pretty well that their actions are not soft-pedaled by any law - GMA is the law and Sin is the constitution.

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"I was hoping they would act so I could crush them"

by Napanice (no login)

These were the very words she uttered to the press, now to me that's downright provoking a reaction, a hostile reaction to boot.

The grim prospect of a puppet govt manipulated by the military, church, rebel and communist group is not a pretty sight to watch.

Napanice


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Actually it is

by Feling (no login)

the church, military, leftist groups, big businessmen, media under the direction of the beloved infidel. His cunning lies in making the others believe they actually have a say in all of these.

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This is in relation

by Napanice (no login)

to the arrest of the supposed senator plotters who allegedly incited the people into storming the palace. Nothing could be further from the truth, it was Gloria who provoked the movement from EDSA to Malacanang. Even before the gathering, the news carried Erap's warning about the forthcoming rally should he be arrested. These words fell on deaf ears apparently but the fact is there is documented proof that they knew it was said. It was shrugged off, even retorted with "They're nuts!" Read the old news and you will see.

The burden must be laid upon Gloria's shoulders, her words of provocation was totally uncalled for and one whose patience is at end of the rope will not take that lightly. I think there is a valid case against her.

Napanice


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I was talking generalities but you're right on that specific point

by Feling (no login)

and in general, Gloria has to be held accountable for the decisions that she alone makes. After all, she can't very well say: "the devil made me do it." Yes, the blood will be on her hands, literally and figuratively.



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Feling....

by BoyetJr (no login)

Again, let me reiterate once more that am not anti and/or pro Erap but...

Edsa 1 nad 2 is totally different than this Edsa 3 which was a mob-ruled gatherings influenced by a few individuals who wants power to rule the poor people!

GMA's only defending her presidency. Her country. And remember, her administration is fully supported by the US and Great Britain. And as history shows, whoever US supports, it remains on top.

My opinion based on what really occurred.

BoyetJr lang po, Manang.

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Good to hear from you Boyet

by Feling (no login)

Doubtless that EDSA 3 is different: it is the first masa-based demonstration. A few individuals may have found it a convenient vehicle for their own purposes (although this is also debatable) but that does not negate the fact that the masses started it and their numbers (reluctantly acknowledged by GMA7 to be 3 million (other reports put it at 5 million) would certainly establish it as a much bigger crowd and certainly representative of the majority of the people. Of course Macapagal would hang on to her position. After plotting for over a year (her own admission) she could hardly be expected to do otherwise.

The Supreme Court itself admitted feeling pressured by the circumstances in making their rulings. Legal minds would be debating this ruling for years to come. As for me, Supreme Court and everything considered, nothing will ever change my mind, from what I have seen, heard, and understand about the constitution, that Macapagal and those who propelled her into that position are simple usurpers of the people's right to choose their leaders and to expect that the Constitution will be followed.

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Gotta go. I have a deadline to beat

by Feling (no login)

on a job.

I'll check back in later, but it's probably going to be early in the morning. Again, good to see you back here.

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Takes two to Tango

by Napanice (no login)

And Gloria is the one who is out of sync. If she just hid underneath her bed and kept quiet, she will still be partially to blame for neglect of duty and lack of responsibility to the people.

She pitted herself against Erap but I don't she expected the actual number of people supporting him to be that large. Out of touch and out of favor from the citizens who never voted her president.

Napanice


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i guess the cardinal

by dcr (no login)

has not called for the banning of clint eastwood movies in the philippines.

"go ahead, make my day". spit.

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Newt Gingrich beat Clint to it.

by Napanice (no login)

The hushed words of his mom rang loud and clear nationwide as Connie Chung held the mike of doom.

Napanice


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i guess the cardinal

by dcr (no login)

has not called for banning of clint eastwood movies in the philippines.

"go ahead, make my day". spit.

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sorry about the double post

by dcr (no login)

!

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I've been plagued with the same double posts since yesterday.

by Napanice (no login)

Someone must be drinking on the job at network54.com.

Napanice


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Well plannned attack?

by MAWI (no login)

Paanong masasabi na binalak ng husto ang pagpunta sa Malakanyang kung ang ginamit ng mga rallyista ay mga bato galing sa mga hukay sa CM Recto lamang. Kung may balak na lumaban ang mga ito, sana may dalang baril at granada ang mga ito! May dala raw na sumpak ang isang rallyista! Armas ba itong sumpak kontra armalite? Hahaha! Nakatatawa! Isang sumpak kontra isang libot' isang armalite?

Masasabing rebellion na ito dahil may isang sumpak na armas ng rallyista?

Mahiya naman kayo! Ang mga NPA, Katakot-takot ang high caliber na armas, katakot-takot ang dami ng pinatay, wala man lang kaso kontra sa kanila!

Makanguya nga ng maraming tabako at nganga para maibuga ko sa mukha ng sangkatutak na mga tupak na ito!

asar talaga! grrrr.

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Gloria

by Napanice (no login)

could never make that declaration unless the people were provoked into acting as they did. The senator leaders, specially Edgardo Angara was vehemently against marching to Malacanang because of the possible confrontation and violent consequences but it did happen. There was a disagreement between the leaders, that's for sure. Someone had a firm grip of the situation but he/she/they were overruled by the hotheads. I'd be interested in knowing exactly what transpired just before the mammoth marched to Mendiola.

Napanice


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Such word was never used to the communist

by MAWI (no login)

That was why the left leaning group made announcement to protect malakanyang, where Jaladoni dined and wined with Gloria and her cabinet, against the pro-constitution rallyist.


Unfortunately, panindak lang pala. Noong tinanggap ang hamon at lumusob ang mga pro-constitution, karipas sila ng takbo!

Sa wakas, sa military din sumandal si Bansot! Torpe talaga!



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But it worked, that's the bottom line.

by Napanice (no login)

She's only interested in keeping her seat at all cost.

Napanice


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What have they done!

by Khalifa Kemuel (no login)

With all the pathos and scenarios detailed by imaginative reporters who wants to make names for themselves, the reporting coverage has become a big circus and it all depends what newspaper you read!

Why grieve and why be upset after all life is what you bargain out of it and these guys, them reporters are just making the best out of it. But then, my god, some enterprising movie producers could make a big hit out of this episode! Somebody could be richer than the jueting lord chavit if he makes a good movie
out of the events in Manila. I wish this producer would star Estrada as the leading man and any of his mistresses would just do well as his leading lady. Maybe Aunor, what's her name again?

I would suggest strongly to GMA that she should pardon Estrada with one condition; he should remain an actor for the rest of his life or else? Then to kaput him, Sin would ban all his movies! This will tickle to death Ramos and for all you know Cory Aquino would be a die-hard fan of his this time around.

Once Estrada was that "man in the Mirror" who dropped the "Islamic Bomb" in Mindanao because he did not know very well his "Politics of Diplomacy" dealing with the Muslims. He mastered the "Politics of the Poor...." but never learned the "Politics of.....the Rich" that led to his eventual "Fall Down" and "Breach of Faith" by the "Fearful Master". His followers tried to save him to make that "Great Escape" but then his "Barbarians at the Gate" was not enough for the "Demon Lord Of Karanda", the "Palace Guard".

A sad plot indeed. A good tear jerker for the "ignorant" followers of Estrada. His followers should "Never Despair", however, because the "Doonsday Conspiracy" has just begun and by chance the "Changing of the Guards" at the halls of congress after the election may change his luck. Better luck next, Erap!



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A Star Wars version of EDSA 3?

by Napanice (no login)

You sure know how to elevate an earthly event into something that requires special effects and virtual reality. You should be in the entertainment industry yourself with that natural talent.

Yeah, better luck next time for the poor since Erap was in jail when it happened. Too bad he wasn't there to stop them and I'm sure they would have listened to him. Was this a calculated move by the govt. to remove the head from the body? I'll let you figure it out.

Napanice


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Is this a riddle?

by KK (no login)

Why let me guess.
Oh, yes, there are lots of politicians in Manila who has all body but no heads. They think better without one but of course they eat more. Expensive!

So what is the score? Back to square one, isnt it?
Seriously, there head is still there only they dont know how to use it.



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No, not at all. VR exists in the Philippines.

by Napanice (no login)

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. True, the head is still there but only as a symbol of the people's rights and aspirations. His close presence and constant guidance was needed, his supporters were less than capable of acting to win on their own.

But don't worry, it is not impossible and they have proven it to themselves already. When they realize that it was just a temporary setback and appreciate the magnitude of their accomplishment, then something else will happen.

Napanice


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wow!

by i will crush you! (no login)

that was referred to coup-plotters not to the rallyists. excuse ha! kasi lets not twist the truth. when she was asked the question, it was the coup-plotters that was in her mind. pero me impending coup talaga. from mirriams mouth came the assurance. i watch her at channel 25 and she told, 'atin na ang militar at kailangan ng bumaba ni gloria. mag-reresign na ang mga kabinete nya. so its the same scenario at edsa 2 and theres no way the shoopreme court can not legitimize the comebacking of erap. all the factors that were in edsa2 is in edsa3.' she even mentioned the number of generals that they had recruited. and the sway of honasans speech dwelt on the same innuendo. ano to psy-war.

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alin ba talaga!

by wow! (no login)

try nga muli if my handle and message title will swap places. try lang. kasi im wow! eh. di ba im wow! i lied hahahahaha

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dick M

by haha palusot! (no login)

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Let's do some untwisting then

by Napanice (no login)

The Inquirer reported back in January that Gloria made the statement "I shall crush you" and this was not even related to any coup plots, as validated by the words "There are still some groups" which would indicate that it is other than a coup plot. Read the article below.

Furthermore, the newspaper opined that the statement was directed at Erap and his 'backers'. Now, the word 'backer' covers a wide range of people, including those who stormed the palace.

She said it before and she said it again without mentioning any specific individuals or groups. That my friend is a general statement and the target is none other than Erap and his backers. That she did not elaborate on the meaning of the words is only indicative of her intention to include everything associated with her political foe.

Napanice

PDI, January 31, 2001
FIRST TV ADDRESS
Gloria warns foes: ‘I shall crush you’
By Carlito Pablo
Inquirer News Service

ALTHOUGH rumors of coup plots against her new government have died down, President Macapagal-Arroyo yesterday surprisingly warned of "evil designs" to destabilize her administration and sternly promised her enemies: "I shall crush you."

"There are still some groups plotting against our government," she told the nation in her first nationally televised address.

"The enemies of the state continue to destabilize our duly constituted government by machinations and black propaganda. Proceeds of ill-gotten wealth are being used to erode the credibility of this government and to subvert our hard-earned freedoms," Ms Macapagal said.

She did not elaborate, but the statement appeared to be a direct reference to ousted President Joseph Estrada and his backers. Government prosecutors have claimed they have compiled a paper trail proving Estrada illegally amassed billions during 31 months in power.



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Let it be known...how about this?

by Moonyeen (no login)

The great conspiracy vs Estrada, II

By Michelle Rodriguez


TUCP and KMU as odd couple

Some sectors of the labor movement decided to join management in the conspiracy. The left-leaning Kilusang Mayo Uno of Crispin Beltran unsurprisingly joined the fray. The jolt came from the centrist Trade Unions Congress of the Philippines, led by aging labor leader Democrito Mendoza, which became the KMU’s strange bed partner. The TUCP is a known beneficiary of AFL-CIO funds and some say, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) money. Mendoza’s wife has long been a member of the GSIS board of directors.

TUCP’s apostasy may be explained by its association with Rep. Ernesto Herrera, a union leader before he entered politics, who now wants to rejoin the Senate and reclaim his lost authority as chair of powerful Senate committees.

The media Mafia

Completing the cast of conspirators are some members of media, led by the Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism (PCIJ) that have their own axe to grind against Estrada and that seek to play a greater power in society than they are entitled to.

The PCIJ has never shaken off accusations that it is funded by foreign sources (the Ford Foundation) or unabashed anti-Estrada institutions (the Ayala Foundation). It did not help the Center that it maintains close association with the Ayalas through PR guru Danny Gozo.

The Philippine Daily Inquirer has achieved its size through sensational journalism, feeding on scandals similar to the Singson exposé. The Philippine Star is owned by one of the prosecutors in the impeachment case, Rep. Feliciano Belmonte Jr.

GMA-Channel 7’s puppet strings are controlled by chair-cum-CEO lawyer Felipe “Henry” Gozon and reportedly purchased in the dark of night by Manuel Pangilinan. Like its radio affiliate AM station dzBB, GMA-7 has become a strident mouthpiece of the Arroyo-led opposition.

GMA-7 executive vice president and news anchor Mike Enriquez has not tried to hide his enmity for Estrada and bias for the united opposition. His double-bladed remarks are a saksi (testimony) to his political leanings.

Pangilinan may or may not own GMA-7 but he bosses the Metro Pacific Group, the PLDT empire and the multi-billion peso Fort Bonifacio development project. He is a giant in the oust-Estrada movement.

The priests unfrock themselves

Violated wantonly in the rush to destroy Estrada was the constitutional principle of separation of Church and State. Leaders of the Catholic Church and other denominations practically unfrocked themselves to put on the civilian habiliments of partisanship. The Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines led the procession, followed by the National Council of Churches, trailed by the Jesus Is Lord Movement of Brother Ed Villanueva. Together, they ran a series of anti-Estrada ads in the papers that bannered the slogan, “Anybody but Erap.”

A startling development was the recruitment into the campaign of legal leftist organizations, including Bayan, the Kilusang Magbubukid and Gabriela. Left-leaning lions, such as former National Democratic Front spokesman Satur Ocampo, Gabriela’s Liza Maza and Sanlakas leader Popoy Lagman, former boss of the Alex Boncayao Brigade assassination squads, held high their membership cards.

So did Rafael Mariano, Teddy Casiño and Nathaniel Santiago. The social democrats and the Partido Demokratiko Sosyalista ng Pilipinas also provided warm bodies for violent demonstrations.

Final proof that the communists had fully ingratiated themselves with the United Opposition came when Jose Ma. Sison’s NDF publicly supported the takeover of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. She and leftist leaders also held a series of meetings to map out a joint program in case of a takeover.

The NDF and the other communist groups grew up mouthing the Maoist doctrine that political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. These partisans, along with activist student groups, formed the backbone of the Estrada-Resign Movement.

Makati’s money mill

The Makati millionaires again contributed their muscle to the two-year-old conspiracy. Earlier, they had sought to weaken the peso and the economy by engaging in dollar trading and currency speculation and bringing out millions of dollars outside the country.

Divided in their interests, the businessmen and the labor unions, the millionaires and the military rightists, the priests and the communists and the conniving rich and the gullible poor, are stitched together by the weave of antagonism against President Estrada and democratic institutions in the country.

They have not stopped their campaign to force Estrada to resign and step down from power. They sneer at the impeachment trial in the Senate, the legal process mandated by the Constitution for such problems as presidential removal, succession or continuity in office.

The conspirators will rejoice over a verdict of guilty, immediately take over government and prosecute the President. But they will never accept a ruling of innocence, which is a likelihood in the impeachment trial, because they claim only a crooked Senate would allow Estrada to walk away.

They have threatened more violence in case of an acquittal. Beyond their dark rhetoric is a threat that they will respond to acquittal with bloodshed and anarchy all over the islands.

They have little respect for due process and the rule of law. They are deaf to the voice of the people. They hear only their selfish interests and the claims of their groups, families and circle of friends.

President Estrada, on the other hand, has promised an era of friendship and reconciliation after the trial. He has promised dramatic reforms, beginning with himself and the government. In the likelihood of an acquittal, we can look forward to three years of change, growth, prosperity and peace.

But the conspirators will not allow this to happen. They will bend heaven and hell to get their way. They will frustrate the people’s will to achieve their ambition. We should act to stop this frightful force from asserting itself in the landscape. The alternative is chaos and bloodshed on the Filipino soil.










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Oust Estrada plot bared

Business, Church group behind ‘Oplan Excelsis’

By Ninez Cacho-Olivares
Editor in Chief




A group which calls itself "Omerta," composed of representatives of business groups and Catholic Church leaders as well as representatives of celebrated personalities, came together and met formally early this month to fine tune the plan to "constitutionally" oust President Estrada under "Oplan Excelsis."

This was disclosed to the Tribune by a highly reliable source with access to two members of the group.

Present in subsequent meetings, reportedly held in the premises of the Archbishop's Palace in Mandaluyong City and a home in Forbes Park were constitutionalists as well as former officials, such as a former central bank governor, a former Commission on Elections official and a representative of a Church based group who is involved in elections.

"The plan was hatched shortly after the election of (President) Estrada," the source, who insisted on not being identified at all costs, said. "Most of them felt that if (Mr.) Estrada is made to finish his term without causing too much damage to the economy, it would be a signal to the Filipino people that showbiz people and other popular personalities becoming president would be the new trend."

There have been at least two instances when the resign-Estrada plan was put into effect, but the group realized that the time was not yet ripe as the resign movement did not fly in those two instances.

The group felt that with the exposé of Ilocos Sur Gov. Luis "Chavit" Singson, the plan should be set in operation.

The plot to unseat the Chief Executive is contained in a sheaf of papers in a brown manila envelope with the words "Oplan Excelsis" written on it.

The documents, which were copies of some scribbled notes and e-mail notes as well as some typewritten notes were shown to the Tribune, but the source did not allow the writer to have of these to be made. He claimed the group would know who the leak was.

It was also made clear by the source, a businessman close to the group, that the copy shown was still in draft form.


VARIOUS SCENARIOS
=================

Oplan Excelsis presents various scenarios under Plan A and a Plan B with Vice President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo in the picture, to give the ouster plot a constitutional flavor.

Oplan Excelsis outlines short-term, medium-term and long-term scenarios.

In the short-term scenario, the plan of action calls for a Church leader and business executive, representing the business group, to convince Arroyo to cut her ties with the President by resigning her post, using as reason, the charges made by Singson. Pressure would be built up by these groups to call for the resignation of Mr. Estrada, in support of Arroyo's succession to the presidency.

Rallies are to be utilized to step up the pressure for the President to resign.

The source pointed out that the signal for Arroyo to cut her ties with Mr. Estrada would be the issuance of the pastoral letter from the Church.

It was no coincidence that Arroyo was in Rome, for a papal visit, which was earlier arranged by Catholic prelates, the Tribune source said. Even before she left for Rome, her possible links with suspected illegal gambling lord Rodolfo Pineda were discussed and covered by the group, the source said, pointing out that Arroyo was quoted by the media as saying she had gone to Manila Archbishop Jaime Cardinal Sin to seek his counsel in standing as godmother to a child of the Pinedas.


HOW LEFT-LEANING GROUPS WILL BE HANDLED
=======================================

After Mr. Estrada resigns, the left-leaning groups will be dealt with by raising the specter of chaos and anarchy with the constant demonstrations being staged by the militant groups on their own.

"The group knows how to deal with these activists," the source said. They were used by the business and Church groups during the Marcos years and were quickly eliminated after Cory Aquino became president.

This is the reason, the source said, it was important for this group to create the semblance of a constitutional succession.

Under the short-term scenario, following constitutional provisions, upon the resignation of the President, the Vice President takes over the reins of government. As Arroyo's ascension creates a vacancy in the second highest position in the country, under constitutional rules, a vice president will be chosen by Congress from among its members, voting separately.

Article VII, Section 8 of the Constitution states: "In case of death, permanent disability, removal from office, or resignation by the President, the Vice President shall become the President to serve the unexpired term..."

Section 9 states: "Whenever there is a vacancy in the Office of the Vice President during the term for which he was elected, the President shall nominate a Vice President from among the members of the Senate and the House of Representatives who shall assume office upon confirmation by the majority vote of all the members of both houses of Congress, voting separately."

Four names were submitted for group's table disccusion on the possible candidate for the vice presidency under a snap resignation scenario: Senators Serge Osmeña III, Ramon Magsaysay Jr. and Raul Roco. A fourth, former defense chief Renato de Villa, could not be accomodated as he was not a member of Congress. His name crops up again, however, in the medium-term scenario.


ROCO DIFFICULT TO CONTROL
=========================

The source said that a unanimous vote was taken and Roco was ruled out as the constitutional successor as he was considered "a wild card" and may prove difficult for the group "to control."

The group also decided it was time for Filipinos to do away with the politicians and putting Roco in as a Vice President will not change the picture. With a non-politician as Vice President and eventually President, it will be easier to change the Filipino "culture" of electing popular political leaders and usher in Presidents coming from the business sector or Presidents who are backed by business groups and the Church.

Either Osmeña or Magsaysay as the Congress-elected vice president was acceptable to the group on the short-term.

The deal made with Arroyo, the source said, includes the acceptance of Omerta group's condition that the majority of her Cabinet members will be vetted by the group.

This condition is being made to ensure that the Omerta group will exercise control over Arroyo, as President.

Another constitutional provision was cited by the group. Section VII, Article 11 states that "when the majority of all the members of the Cabinet transmit to the President of the Senate and to the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

The snap resignation plan calls for a time frame up till mid to end November.


SEEKING U.S. SUPPORT
====================

The group has reportedly planned on seeking the support of the new American president, to apply pressure on Mr. Estrada to resign.

At the moment, it is difficult to seek US President Clinton's support for the Estrada ouster, as Mr. Estrada is said to still have the support of Mark Jimenez, who has access to both President Clinton and members of the US Congress. Mr. Clinton, moreover, cannot argue strongly for their case as he himself refused to step down from the presidency and faced an impeachment trial in the US Senate.

Part of the plan that calls for US support has a member of the group offering Jimenez a way out of his extradition case, in exchange for his support of the group's plan to secure the support of Gore, should he win the elections or the George Bush's group of Republicans, should Bush win.

It was pointed out by the source that the time frame for the resignation of Mr. Estrada was inadvertently leaked out by Singson when he told reporters that the President would be stepping down shortly after the US elections.



Jimenez and Singson are friends


RENATO DE VILLA AS V.P.
=======================

A preferred scenario not falling under the snap resignation of Oplan Excelsis has former Defense chief Renato de Villa as the Vice President under a separate plan of action.

Under the plan, with the ascension of Arroyo, de Villa takes the defense portfolio, after which, he runs for a seat in the Senate in 2001 with the support of the Church and business groups. He is then elected by a new Congress as the new Vice President, to serve the appointed term until 2004, when he runs for the presidency, backed up by the same group. This scenario has the Congress appointed Vice President resigning to run for a seat in the Senate, which leaves a new vacancy in the Office of the Vice President.

A new Congress will then have to elect among its members, voting separately, a new Vice President in the person of De Villa.


ARROYO DOES NOT FIGURE IN OMERTA'S LONG-TERM SCENARIO
=====================================================

Arroyo does not figure in the long-term scenario as both business and the Church groups are not too comfortable with her as President, since she too, is vulnerable to charges of having links with gambling lords like Pineda. Moreover, the source said that the Vice President's spouse, Mike Arroyo, may prove to be a liability during her incumbency. The source revealed that discussions among group members centered on past reports of unexplained wealth in properties acquired abroad that may crop when she is President.

It was pointed out by the source that the members of Omerta or the code of silence, worried about the left-leaning groups who not only have been demanding the resignation of Mr. Estrada but also the resignation of Arroyo.

The Omerta group, the source said, does not favor a repeat of the Estrada-resign plot under the term of Arroyo.

The group envisions Arroyo to only serve the remaining term of Mr. Estrada, but since the tem she will have served would be less than four years, she can, in 2004, run for the presidency, which would mean an Arroyo presidency for nine and a half years, a time considered by the group as too long for a President who is, moreover, not its preferred choice.

This is the reason, the source said, that De Villa must be positioned in the direct line of constitutional succession.

For this to happen, he must run for the Senate and be appointed Vice President by the new Congress in preparation for the 2004 presidential elections.


WHY RAMOS DIDN'T CHOSE DE VILLA IN '98
======================================

In the 1998 presidential election, the same Church and business groups pushed the candidacy of De Villa and worked to have former President Fidel Ramos anoint him as the Lakas standard-bearer.

Ramos, it was further disclosed by the source, could have done so, but pointedly chose Jose de Venecia instead as he was allegedly irked with the business and church groups for "embarrassing" him with the anti-Charter change rallies.

Ramos, the source said, bent over backwards to "facilitate business deals involving some members of these groups and anointing De Venecia was his way of dealing with his anger at the business men and church leaders.


DESTRUCTION OF GMA AND SINGSON
==============================

The mid-term scenario calls for a destruction of Arroyo through exposes and propaganda just before the 2004 presidential election, to pave the way for a De Villa presidency through the ballot, or barring this, a Serge Osmena presidency.

Included in the mid term plan, with the Church and business group's choice of Vice President installed, is the ordering of charges to be filed against the Ilocos Sur governor to show the public that the new government means business.


BIG BUSINESS AND THE CHURCH CONTROLS PHILIPPINE POLITICS
========================================================

With the ascension of De Villa (first choice) or Osmeña (second choice) as president of the republic, it will be big business and the Church which will exercise a powerful influence in Philippine politics.

It would have been established by the Omerta group that no Philippine president can survive the presidency without the support of business and the Church.


WHAT IF ERAP DOESN'T RESIGN?
============================

Plan B of Oplan Excelsis comes into operation should President Estrada refuse to resign. The impeachment process is speeded up by Congress as pressure is stepped up by the group and its supporters.

The idea is to ensure that the impeachment process is discredited by the anti-Estrada forces in order to effect the removal of the President, even if he is acquitted by a Senate trial, should it come to this.

After the impeachment process would have been played out, there will be continued demonstrations to pressure the President to resign.

In the event that the group fails to mobilize support for its call to get the President to resign, with or without the impeachment process played out, there is yet another scenario that calls for the President and the business groups to enter into a modus vivendi, one that has the President turning over all economic power to an existing economic group, with a few changes in membership.

All government contracts as well as all economic decisions will be arrived at solely by this economic group.

Omerta, the source said, will always have any President of the Philippines at its mercy.




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That's is a repost.

by Moonyeen (no login)

Bobo siguro talaga si Erap dahil during his presidency, he let democracy rules! He allowed those Edsa 2 to rally and chant ugly words hurled against him...

Ahhhhhhhhhh...maybe, the elites and powerful wants to rule. Pity the poor.....


MY



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An excellent observation on Edsa III by a INQ7.net columnist

by BoyetJr (no login)

Am not an anti or pro Estrada but this piece of opinion seemed took the detailed mark of events!

*** And those instigators/supporters abandoned these poor people to save their a.s.s.e.s.s from crushing?
My.. my...


Poor people power


I WAS right. It takes more than just big numbers to overthrow a
government. It takes a lot more. But I was wrong in many other
areas.
For one, I never imagined it would go as far as it did, with
Gloria's presidency escaping by the skin of the teeth. I know that
Enrile et al only had their personal interests first, the national
interest only a far second. But I didn’t know that they would push
the nation to the brink of a civil war to serve those interests. I
was wrong.
For another, I would have thought Malacañang was fortified enough to
repel any such attempt to overrun the palace. After all, only the
other night, GMA bluntly proclaimed on TV, "I wish they would do it
(referring to rumors of attacking the palace), so I could crush
them". I was wrong. As the video footages will bear, the blockades
would fall like domino tiles and the defensive phalanx would retreat
with very little resistance.
One might argue that they were probably lulled into complacency by
the withdrawal of support for the pro-Erap forces by the Iglesia ni
Kristo and El Shaddai. On the contrary, I think that this, plus the
threat of large numbers in the Labor Day mass action of the
anti-Erap forces, left the oppositionist senatoriables with no other
option but to attack now or forever lose the opportunity. I would
have thought GMA's advisers had anticipated this and beefed up the
defense of the palace. I was wrong.
Maybe it was just a lapse by the president’s security men. But then
I remember how I was caught in traffic at the EDSA-Shaw underpass
last February 25 on my way to the Shrine for the EDSA celebration.
It was understandable; EDSA was closed and all vehicles were being
rerouted to Julio Vargas St. What was not understandable was how the
President's entourage was caught in the same traffic for more than
10 minutes. I dismissed it then as part of her security team being
new to the job. I was wrong. I think there’s a serious flaw here –
one that GMA should immediately fix. After all, the security of our
nation is also at stake.
I was also wrong about the ability of our police and military to
exercise "maximum tolerance" in dealing with demonstrators. I've
always thought that it takes very little to provoke them into a
shooting rampage. But as the TV coverage would prove, they showed
extraordinary restraint under a torrent of stones and debris, with
some even inflicting serious harm within their ranks. There's no
better proof of their controlled response than the amazingly low
casualty rate in relation to the extent of civil disturbance that we
saw. President Arroyo should commend them (which she did) not just
for their loyalty to the constitution, but also for such restraint
that required heroic effort to implement.
As for the mob that composed the pro-Erap rallyists, I have somewhat
belittled their resolve to go to the limit and bring the battle to
Mendiola, convinced that most of them were paid hacks. I thought
they would scatter in all directions at the first attempt at
dispersal. After all, they could not even agree on a common cause.
And most of them probably joined the rest of the nation in gobbling
up each episode of the impeachment trial teledrama. Anyone who
followed the trial could not help but be convinced of Erap’s trial.
Or so I thought.
I was dead wrong. First, I underestimated the hatred that built up
in their hearts and minds after being bombarded for five consecutive
days of vile rhetoric at the EDSA shrine. Second, I underestimated
the demagoguery that Erap commands from his followers. True, there
were hooligans and vandals in their ranks. But there were also some
who stood their ground, and I suspect they were ready to die for
him.
The second made me think long and hard, and ask; Why? What has Erap
done for them that make them rabid fanatics, in spite of his
plundering ways? It’s hard to fathom. Because the answer is
"nothing". But then again, so had the other presidents before him –
they all did nothing for the poor. At least Erap dined with them
with his bare hands. And to them, the illusion of being one with
them is good enough. Walang iwanan makes sense now. I hope GMA
recognizes this early enough and deliver meaningful change for them.

Otherwise, the class schism will only be heightened and we may not
survive their next crack at rebellion.
I was right, though on two things. First, I was right when I said
"The masa votes people into power; but it’s the middle class that
removes them from office through people power, when necessary". It’s
not just because of their clout in shaping the nation’s economy.
It’s also because they often have justifiable cause – an important
ingredient in attracting the police and military to side to their
cause.
I was also right when I said that in the end, it’s a battle between
good and evil. I thank God for answering our prayers. Once again,
righteousness has prevailed.
Early in their struggle, some of them called their assembly "Poor
People Power", implying that this is a poor people’s upheaval that
will lead to a change of government. I think the word "poor" is an
expression of pity over their own version of "people power".
What a pity.






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'It's not over till it's over-yogi berra

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The masa had a taste of victory, shortlived as it may have been. The masa is not vanguished, Nap.
by Feling
With the widening gap that you cited in tech and by implication, money what has always been the factor, which may not be realized by the masses yet, is Numbers. With the elite busy with their gadgets and all forms of entertainment gizmos, the poor are only left with the only form of entertainment available to them--birthing. And so the gap, as you put it, widens even more, but the building disaster (which fortunately or unfortunately the Roman Catholic Church is unwilling to consider) is over population which in the eyes of the elite are of the wrong kind.

If Gloria could work an economic miracle within the next 6 months (which I doubt very much) then the wave of frustrated human beings will build up again, and again. I hope nobody reads any kind of glee on my part in stating this, because these are lamentable things and I would be happy to be wrong.



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Hey, that was a Slam Dunk!

by Napanice (no login)

You're suddenly up on top with the same post. See my reply down below with the original. My fingers are still sore from the updates.

Napanice


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Choose your weapon well.

by Napanice (no login)

Communism, Exploitation, Denial of Suffrage, or Simple Neglect.

They saw a leader in Erap, albeit ineffective, so that's the key that will unlock Pandora's Box to let Hope out.

Napanice


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You bet. But we shouldn't be discussing it on the internet

by Feling (no login)

But as you pointed out, violence only begets violence. And it's got to be moral. Something that will work like an antibiotic or anti-body.

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You're suggesting a different avenue like e-mail?

by Napanice (no login)

To the poor and underprivileged violence is the only means of getting back, this has been demonstrated not only in every third world countries but in the US as well. If a solution is to be found, this factor cannot be discounted although the kind of leadership may temper it somehow but not entirely eliminated.

Therefore, brainpower is a critical ingredient.

Napanice


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A face-to-face 1st meeting is necessary as a point of reference

by Feling (no login)

so that not everything is written anywhere for someone else to read. No technology can supplant what Someone above has already given us.

This sounds all so mysterious and intriguing, doesn't it?

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Not to worry

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Let's do the planning via e-mail. MY knows my address.

Napanice


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Miriam Santiago under Duress - The Singson Ploy

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With her brother locked away inside a grim and pitch dark cell, the govt' has found her the 'least guilty' of the parties involved in inciting the 'rebellion'. It is now her turn to be the Judas, just like that guy from the North. Joker himself uttered the right words to describe the scheme - evil genius.

Napanice

Gov’t considers Senator Santiago as ‘state witness’
Posted: 5:02 PM (Manila Time) | May 01, 2001
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MALACANANG is considering asking Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago to turn state witness and reveal the people that are behind the failed power grab, according to Justice Secretary Hernani Perez.

Earlier reports said that Santiago was on the list of those that would be arrested for instigating an attack on the presidential palace early this morning. A separate radio report said that the government later decided not to include the senator on the list in order to pave the way for her entry as a state witness.


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Twisted reporting

by MAWI (no login)

In TFC, an anchor woman made it appear that it was M Santiago who offered herself to be State witness. Later in the night, it was learned that it was Bugaw Perez who was insinuating that Santiago can be a state witness. (Luckily, Jun Santiago made it clear that Miriam have no intention of doing such and definitely she is not like others who change color from time to time -- that she is not traitor and Judas!)

ABS-CBN people (all of them) are really good in twisting statements. And, boy, in doing interview, they put words into the mouth of the interviewee.

Is there any school/institution that teaches this way of conducting interview/report?

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Catholic schools?

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Heaven, sinners and saints, and JUDAS.

Napanice


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Strategy 101 at West Point, PMA?

by Feling (no login)

duh!

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Strategy 102 says when losing a debate on issues, change the topic

by Feling (no login)

duh

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Marcos School of Thievery and Disinformation

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where feling was a graduaute

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Were you the janitor?

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or the rat scavenging through the trash?

Napanice



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yes the janitor in that school can be bigtime

by Anonymous (no login)

ask imelda.

from a shanty town beauty pageant queen to the wife/owner/partner of the school of thievery and disinformation.

some famous graduates:
enrile
erap (did not graduate)
jinggoy
binay
santiago
maceda




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So you're the rat.

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No wonder you talk that way, fleas for breakfast?

Napanice


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care for some?

by Anonymous (no login)

sprinled with ground ipis......hmmmmm yum ! yum! and cruchy too!!! fine source of protein!

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Keep eating.

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You are what you eat.




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Obviously the student has outdone the teacher

by Feling (no login)

with 15 years of added intensive training. So why is Marcos out and dead; Enrile's in jail and he's still very much alive and calling the shots?

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And in all these, not one word of comfort from the Church

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If there is one sure thing that alienates the flock, it is the blatant demonstration of a conflict of interest between their godly duties and their obvious prejudice.

Napanice


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It's been quite obvious for almost half a millennium where their sympathies lie

by Feling (no login)

It's never been with the poor and down-trodden except occasional lip service when it suits their own selfish agenda. As the French would say, 'the more things change, the more they stay the same.' But it things do have to get worse before they get better and they will. And the fat lady hasn't sung yet.

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Different strokes for differen folks

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The fact that the Philippines, Mexico, Cuba and other The fact that Spanish dominated countries are pretty much in the same boat should tell us something about the way they were treated. European civilization was far more advanced when the Age of Discovery began and so the Church has already been transformed by the monarchs and the Pope into a mix of religion and politics. Therefore, by the time they arrived at their discoveries, the friars were no longer the pure messengers of God but a combination of preacher-politician who catered to the authorities but provided menial services to the peasants. Such was the case when the Noli and Fili were written and it is no wonder that priests and nuns are what they are today.

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In addition

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After Spain's colonies in South America successfully won their independence, most of the exploitative colonials who realized they couldn't cut it back in the more civilized mother Spain, relocated to the Philippines. Which is why, by Rizal's time, the abuse against the Indios was at its worse. Unfortunately for our people, these colonial masters were our only models for government leaders. I guess this is why we see so many instances where, when a Filipino feels he or she has risen in social or economic status, it is part of the acoutrements of the new-found status to have subordinates they exploit just like what they have heard or seen. Sad.

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A Contaminating Virus.

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Which has turned into a cancer in mestastic stage. It used to be concentrated only at the seat of government but has now spread into the remote areas. Here's another factor to consider when reforms are contemplated.

Napanice


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But how come you are not asleep yet?

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I've got an excuse at least--I'm rendering a video project and I've got to wait for the computer to finish its job before I could retire for the morning. But it's nice to have your company.

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I feel asleep on the keyboard!

by Napanice (no login)

It was slumberland next after my last reply and I wasn't even conscious when I hammered the last characters away. Did I do that? Hehehe.

Truth is, I was on pins and needles almost all day and several cups of coffee can attest to that. The recent events back home shook me to the roof of my head and for a few brief moment there was euphoria indeed. But sobriety sat in when I remembered someone saying how Ramos will kill EDSA 3 and the fact that a serious blunder was committed when the coup secret was revealed in public thus alerting the govt. Like I said, the aces were dropping too fast for comfort.

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Better catch up on your sleep then and no more coffee

by Feling (no login)

'the fat lady ain't singing yet.'

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And you?

by Napanice (no login)

I left you last night and you're still here? Those are comforting words of hope but time is of the essence, the factories will start humming again, the engines of vehicles will start purring, and the holiday will finally end. Labor Day is over, and true labor begins. The poor has to think now where the daily bread will come from, how his family will survive the day if he fails to go to work. Maybe the alleged 500 pesos was meant to tide him over but that's a measly 10 bucks for 6 days to live on. At 50 pesos per meal, that's only comes to 10 meals or 5 days for one person if you drink water for breakfast.

Maybe the fat lady will catch a cold or something, laryngitis perhaps, and lose her voice for a while.

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A Cure for EDSA 3

by Napanice (no login)

After the declaration, there will be a restriction. Only anti-Erap demonstrators will be allowed to assemble so that they can continue campaigning for the Political Power Coalition party. Nice move.

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'Rebellion’ declaration raises alarm

THE DECLARATION of "state of rebellion" in Metro Manila has alarmed oppositionists, lawyers, human rights groups and even pro-administration legislators who expressed fears that martial law could not be far away.

Armed Forces spokesperson Brig. Gen. Edilberto Adan said that the the freedom to assemble and hold demonstrations might be restricted, but presidential spokesperson Rigoberto Tiglao promised that there would be no suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, imposition of a curfew or a clamp down on the press.


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This is getting complicated

by Napanice (no login)

There must be a justification for this declaration, was there an undeniable attempt to rebel or was it just a demand similar to EDSA 2 where they asked for a resignation? If violence is a factor, then what about a riot, does that constitute rebellion as well? Was there an army leading the crowd to say that an armed conflict was imminent? The coup attempt fizzled out essentially taking the military out of the picture. Can one be construed a rebel just for throwing a piece of rock? This word 'rebellion' was applied to the communists, therefore there is no need for this declaration since the country is in that state even before EDSA 3 took place.

In addition, the NDF has just finished negotiating with the government. Was there a similar negotiation that took place officially that clearly showed the intent to rebel? I remember Erap's government negotiating with Gloria's reps and there were demands and concessions from both sides which to me construed as negotiating with a rebellious group.

Someone had better clarify this because I did not see any signs of rebellion take place, the papers called the crowd 'unruly' but never 'rebelling'. There is an insinuation here that since rebellion is taking place, therefore the government can proceed with several steps necessary to quell it, possibly with the intention of removing the rights of the individual to assemble and express their dissent against the government.

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Signs of worse things yet to come. Saddening, Nap

by Feling (no login)

They have consistently defined things just to suit their ends. The only rule that is in effect is 'anything goes to hold on to the usurped powers' that rightfully belong to the people.

I think this was the stink you smelled a few posts down--the reason for that announcement of the alleged Estrada letter. Your alarm sensors were right on mark.

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My nose knows I guess.

by Napanice (no login)

With Ramos' experience in these matters, there is no better qualified tactician to lead the other side. I just saw a PDI update that addresses this very issue, the IBP is asking the government to reconsider the declaration of rebellion since the people's actions, i.e. throwing rocks, did not constitute an armed uprising. Well, so much for Gloria's knowledge in the matter although I'm sure he was coached into it.

There may be an irresistible temptation in the part of both the executive and the military to grab absolute power at this point by creating the series of declarations and justifications leading to it. I have doubts about it though, it could cause more trouble than it's worth at this point in time. Maybe later on when Estrada is out of the way. One this is for sure, there is a strong partnership between the two now.

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You're right on the partnership. Now Gloria knows for sure she needs him

by Feling (no login)

and he is pleased as punch to oblige. But I meant to say also that the Church is not God. At this point in time, they are distinctly apart--at least not the just and loving God we've come to believe in.

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Point taken

by Napanice (no login)

Well, for one this could mean a nice, heftly reward for the military once again for a job well done. What really worries me are those generals and senators who will bear the brunt of retaliation once the dust settles. Senator Pimentel has already expressed concern over the arrest of Honasan and Enrile because of the possible backlash from the people.

We're not totally brainwashed by the church, but I've seen a lot of people who cannot tell the difference between God and them for the simple fact that they claim to be descended from God himself. They've learned something from the Caesars of Rome and Mount Olympus.

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Events seem to accelerate in this age of technology

by Feling (no login)

You have a point as to the ability of many to distinguish between God and the church when it no longer adheres to the values it preaches. These same numbers would also conclude that it was the prayers of Cardinal Sin and his nuns that got answered.

But this coalition with its built in self-destruct mechanism will unravel soon enough as the various segments realize that some are getting more equal than others in terms of decision making.

Even now, declaring a 'state of rebellion' is ringing the alarm bells in many minds. I'm familiar with a state of emergency, but this rebellion thing is new to me. By substituting 'rebellion' for martial law, they skirted the strict rules on its declaration which requires consultation with Congress.

Sadly, there's not much we could do out here except vent our frustration in fora like this and our own individual prayers for the good of our country and people.

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The healing process goes texting

by Napanice (no login)

With every advance, a retreat. Relatively speaking although the poor may be dragged along in the techno craze, the progress pales in comparison to the well heeled who is not only computer literate but also loaded with the latest gadgetry. The gap widens every day as more and more information is gathered by the privileged few.

Funny how a guy like Torquemada can get away with murder in order to 'save' a sinner's soul. In the case of EDSA 3, the elitists will be more than happy to patronize Gloria's decisions because she's one of them. The dissention will come from the moderates like Pimentel but overall the direction will take a course plotted by the same brains of EDSA 2.

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The masa is not vanguished, Nap.

by Feling (no login)

With the widening gap that you cited in tech and by implication, money what has always been the factor, which may not be realized by the masses yet, is Numbers. With the elite busy with their gadgets and all forms of entertainment gizmos, the poor are only left with the only form of entertainment available to them--birthing. And so the gap, as you put it, widens even more, but the building disaster (which fortunately or unfortunately the Roman Catholic Church is unwilling to consider) is over population which in the eyes of the elite are of the wrong kind.

If Gloria could work an economic miracle within the next 6 months (which I doubt very much) then the wave of frustrated human beings will build up again, and again. I hope nobody reads any kind of glee on my part in stating this, because these are lamentable things and I would be happy to be wrong.

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The Economic Equalizer

by Napanice (no login)

Of course they're not vanquished, merely suppressed and relegated to the lower echelons of society. Someone said 'There shall be no leaders where there are no followers' and the application of that here is there will be no rich if there are no poor. It happens everytime a corrupt leader drains the coffers, the country is set back accordingly. Someone gets enriched while many suffers. The cycle has been going on for years as reflected by the current exchange rate which then translates to the buying power and cost of living for each and every individual.

With the kind of leadership now installed, population growth will remain uncontrolled. The numbers game may put the masses ahead but wait, overseas jobs will be plentiful when the world economy picks up once more. So like the flowers of spring and the nesting of birds, the birthrate may need to be synchronized with the world economic cycle?

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Birds come home to roost, remember.

by Feling (no login)

or the salmon to spawn right back where they were born. Our native bangus behaves much the same way as the salmon with one significant quality: bangus doesn't die after spawning unlike the salmon. Perhaps there's a message somewhere.

One of these days, maybe the overseas Filipinos will just not send as much money home.

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They always leave the nest behind.

by Napanice (no login)

I'm just amazed by the lack of will among the OFW's, here's the government piling up one charge after another against political enemies and getting record responses from the courts. There are militant groups petitioning for late registration of young voters that get immediate attention by Congress for a special session. Where in the world are the leaders who profess to represent the overseas groups?

The idea of cutting off the dollar flow into the country is just not feasible, the primary goal of the remitters is to feed their families. Therefore, there is tunnel vision here since the benefit gained by the elites out of the billions annually is not even appreciated by the concerned parties. When consciousness of this fact sets in, then things may change in the form of an organized demand with dire consequences if not met. The red carpet treatment at Christmas time is meant to numb that consciousness by the way.

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The Cobra Strikes

by Napanice (no login)

If there is one lesson that the poor must learn from yesterday's events, it is the fact that a peaceful rally can sometimes be more effective than a violent one. Gandhi took on the British empire single-handed with throwing a single piece of rock at the troops. The leaders, Santiago, Enrile, Honasan, and Sotto, specially the first two who are very articulate and vocal, failed to impress this upon the people. They were not convinced that numbers alone was power enough to get the desired results.

The govt. has now taken advantage and magnified the impact of violence and death through their media lackeys for the world to see. This legitimizes the corresponding retaliation against the supposed 'seditious' leaders and their military cohorts who are also in hot waters because of a discovered coup plot.

We should also learn from that Indian Snake Charmer. The Cobra is a deadly snake but he is smarter. He uses his hands to distract the snakes attention and he's always aware of the snake's eyes, where it is focused on. While he is within striking distance, he is always prepared to evade the snake's lunge.

Ghandi, an Indian hero, must have learned a few tricks from it.

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without throwing

by Napanice (no login)

Lapses of memory from caffeine is not a good sign.

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Eat a lot of fruits....

by Moonyeen (no login)

To counter that caffeine in your system...

Hello..good morning. It seems that your keyboard were busy since yesterday. The venom of that cobra is so powerful. It seems that the demonization teams are so fast to talk on tv...hurling insults once again to these poor people...

Well, dapat nasa isang bandila ang lahat ng mga Pilipino no matter what they stand for....






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Filipino laban sa kapuwa Filipino.

by Moonyeen (no login)

Hanggang saan hahantong ang ganitong kalagayan ng ating mga kababayan?




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request to MY

by MAWI (no login)

I remember asking you to paste the famous face that may need a dose of motrin, and to teach me how to do it. You granted the first request. Thanks for that. How about the second request? Pakiusap... (I do have Adobe 5.5)

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Kamag-aral, I'll buy your line

by CoeL (no login)

At the onset I made it clear that I do not admire Estrada. But should they impeach him, I butted, that he
should be remove in accordance with the constitution by availing him the due process of law. If ever some of my post tend to favor him - it was simply because he was denied the basic justice which all Filipinos should be accorded - a day in court.

Our constitution shapes our country, the people and what we are as individuals. When GMA, the rich, the elitist, the church and the powerful betrayed our constitution in their pseudo-sophistication and greed, they have not articulated and formulated a substitute for it - simply because our individual rights can not be substituted for anything.

As we all know there is not substitute for our existing constitution! Our rights are based on the Devine Law - and, such shall be respected out of respect for His authority and because of this our government is based on consent. Such consent must be respected by all and not only the downtrodden and the poor. This simple logic, which from the view of the powerless and poor, is what protects them from oppression - and what gives them the courage to express their convictions when they demand that their rights and dignity be respected. There is no substitute for such demand. This is the very essence and reason why they are marching down the streets demanding their votes for Estrada be counted and respected.

In my previous post I have discussed what to expect as events starts to unfold in Manila. All are predictable like nature as governed by the law of physics.

When a thermoset resin is ablated, a complex mixture of gases forms - a char residue builds up. To understand the overall behaviour of this material one must know the reaction of pyrolysis gas and their rate of formation. As all reactions are functions of temperature - then, all reactions are predictable!
So it politics Filipino style and much more that of treaherous and corrupt individuals!

All what we have to do is wait and study in contrast the person of GMA and Estrada as events become worst and hopefully for the better! No president in our history is so well love than Estrada. The demonstration has shown this. Close to Estrada comes Magsayasay

Now, Did I say something worthwhile, Kamag-aral?
Let me go back to work now. I am just earning a living. I am not earning money. I will talk to you sometime but I will keep on reading all your post and those of Feling, Moonyeen, Pareng Jek, Boyet and Mawi.
Not because we share a common ground but rather it gives me pleaure to read all your post.

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My line leads to the Coffe Machine, Kamag-aral.

by Napanice (no login)

Bottom line, Democracy is Rule by the People. Yes, you have just expounded on the very explicit meaning of the ideology embraced by our country. It is alive and well in the USA, thank God, and we have seen in demonstrated once more during the last election and impeachment trial. There were dissenting parties for sure, but nary a single rally calling for a resignation or an overturn of the court's decision.

The rift between the current government and the people is rooted only in one cause and this is the loss of the democratic principle, the people must choose the leader that will represent them.

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Time to go back to school...

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...the Integrated Bar of the Philippines (IBP) and Mabini, a group of human rights lawyers, expressed dismay over Malacañang’s move.

Rep. Joker Arroyo (Makati) and Senate President Aquilino Pimentel also balked at what, they warned, could lead to violations of civil liberties.

Warning

A Mabini statement said: “Now, suddenly, we have new political detainees, the new rebels, maybe without names, faces, leaders and causes. But their human rights are (also) sacred.”

“We are not certain who set up poor (presidential spokesman Rigoberto) Tiglao to inflict the quaint concept of “state of rebellion,” which can only frighten us, let alone foreign tourists and investors. He obviously cannot explain it because no lawyer can. It is an animal that cannot be found in any legal zoo.”

Re-electionist Sen. Franklin Drilon admitted that the declaration of a state of rebellion is not found in the law books.

“What we have is just a recognition of a state of rebellion. But this is not a legal proposition. It has no legal consequences like, for example, the state of emergency where the government can take over public utility or like the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus where you can do without the warrant of arrest for a certain period of time,” the senator pointed out.

“The declaration of a state of rebellion does not involve a suspension of the political rights of the people, as against Martial Law. So if you’re going to arrest anyone, you should first charge him in court even if there is a declared state of rebellion,” he reminded administration officials.


...But the IBP called on the Arroyo government to immediately reconsider its declaration of a state of rebellion in Metro Manila.

A statement of the group, signed by national president Arthur Lim, claimed “there is no rebellion taking place, only a state of lawless violence, and perhaps sedition.”

The IBP pointed out that rebellion is a “public uprising and the taking up of arms against the government, for the purpose of removing from the allegiance to said government or its laws, the Philippine territory or any part thereof, or any body of land, naval or other armed forces, or to deprive the Chief Executive or Congress, wholly or partially, of any of their powers or prerogatives.”

“The IBP cannot help but condemn this declaration of a state of rebellion in Manila since it is obviously a prelude to, and justification for, a declaration of martial law or a suspension of the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus in Metro Manila to justify the warrantless arrest and rounding up of senators,” the statement added.
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Bugaw Perez is really determined to crush the opposition -- BY ALL MEANS!



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Not Perez - The Evil Genius

by Napanice (no login)

Although Joker Arroyo used the term for the plotters of EDSA 3, it is more appropriately applied to the one person who was closely associated with the martial law of the past.

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kakalugin ko muna ang mga utak ng mga pro-Erap bago matulog!

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SENATORS Juan Ponce Enrile, Miriam Defensor-Santiago, and Gregorio Honasan have all denied issuing remarks that incited supporters of the jailed ex-president Joseph Estrada to march towards Malacañang.

In a press conference at the Club Filipino, the senators have issued separate statements denying provoking the pro-Estrada crowd at EDSA to overthrow the Macapagal-Arroyo government. They said they were available for investigation and would not leave the country.

In a separate interview over television, Estrada son JV Ejercito also denied encouraging the Estrada supporters to storm Malacanang and said he even tried to block them from proceeding.

The three senators, together with former PNP chief Panfilo Lacson, Estrada sons JV Ejercito and Jude Estrada, have been placed under a hold-departure list by the government.

EXCUSES! EXCUSES! EXCUSES!!

One thing that your idol Erap Estrada didn't learn from the great Plunderer Ferdinand "jerky" Edralin Marcos....When you steal, make it big but make sure the military are under your payroll. In Estada's case bumilib masyado kay Lacson kaya ang inalagaan n'ya ay kakaunti - PAOCTF!!

goodnight dreamers!!

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You back off, stupid moron.

by Moonyeen (no login)

Paano mo naman kakalugin ang ulo ng mga mang-aagaw ng puwesto ng may puwesto na tulad ni Gloria. Isang taon din siyan nakipagsabwatan para masunod lang niya ang minimithi niyang umupo bilang presidente. Kahit anong gawin niya ngayon, majority of the Filipino people despise her.


Sige, matulog ka na nga baka pinguten pa kita. Hmp!

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Don't Mind him MY. He's not really going to sleep . . . he couldn't

by Feling (no login)

because he might just get nightmares from all those breaking news and who knows, he might wake up to a much different world tomorrow. Those EDSA 3's have already won. Imagine! leaderless, money-less, weaponless and they stood the country on its head. Power to the People!

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BRUHA, tamaan ka sana ng sumpak

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Magsama na kayo ng magnanakaw sa kangkungan. GAGA!

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daboy, bumalik ka na sa PPU!

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idiot!

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Bumalik sana sa iyo yung SUMPAK...

by Moonyeen (no login)

Sa iyong mukha. YUng nagke-curse daw ay sa kanya tatama yung curse niya.



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Magsayaw sumpak ka na lang kaya...gaya ng ginagawa ng mga macho dancers...

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ngayon, gagamitan na kita ng beto-beto para makalog ang utak mo!.

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IKAW BA AT SI FELING ANG NAGPADALA NG TIKET NILA? BWAAAAHAAHHAAAHHAAA


Hold departure order vs 9 Erap allies

A hold departure order has been issued against nine known allies of jailed ex-president Estrada, who is now detained on charges of economic plunder.

Among those included in the hold departure list issued by the Department of Justice are reelectionist Senators Juan Ponce Enrile and Gregorio Honasan, former ambassador to the United States Ernesto Maceda, former Philippine National Police chief Panfilo Lacson, Senior Supt. Cesar Mancao of the defunct Presidential Anti-Organized Crime Task Force and rally leaders Dado Peleroso and Ronald Lumbao of the People's Movement Against Poverty.

Immigration authorities earlier issued an alert on Estrada's supporters attempting to flee the country shortly after the Arroyo administration declared a "state of rebellion" around noon Tuesday.

'KITA MO 'DI KASAMA 'YUNG PABORITO MO NA SI MIRRIAM. PANO UMAREGLO 'YUNG KAPATID NA HENERAL AT INGINUSO NA ANG MGA LIDER!


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Sabi ko na sa 'yo MY hindi pa matutulog 'yan

by Feling (no login)

buti naman at nang makabasa ng mga updates. Hindi ko kayang magpadala ng ticket kahit kanino dahil mahirap lang ako. But if I could afford, I'll charter a plane for Ms. Arroyo because it seems she might be the one who will need it soon. Of course I know she can afford to fly back on her own to her apt. complex in San Francisco anytime.

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Hold departure order?

by MAWI (no login)

Ilang beses sila nag-issue ng ganyan para kay Erap? Bakit sila mag-iissue e wala naman balak ang mga tao na umalis?

Iyang pakana na ganyan ay ibig lang nilang palabasin na takot sina Erap, et al.

Tutuong makamandag ang gobierno ni Bansot dahil sa nagsamasama ang kamandag nina Cory, Ramos, Sin, Perez, Lina, Joker, et al, pero hindi sila takot! Sina Erap at ang kanyang mga kasama ay Makabayan!

By this time, tulog ka na siguro. Iyang hilik mo ay hilik ng binabangungot! Hoy, Gising parang hindi ka matuloyan!!!!

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Some things to waken to

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Tuesday May 01, 2001
7: 51 p.m.

The police have arrested three more suspects in the Mendiola area, and have recovered a live bullet from one of them, according to radio station dzBB.

Even though they had already arrested the suspects, the police were seen beating up the suspects, with some using their truncheons.

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7: 41 p.m.

The Philippine National Police (PNP) has issued a letter of instruction for the Matang Lawin anti-crime campaign. Under the directive, the Special Action Forces, PNP Intelligence Group, Criminal Investigation Detection Group, Traffic Management Group and other PNP units will intensify the anti-crime campaign in Metro Manila.

As part of the campaign, the PNP will deploy aggressive checkpoints and other police operations. A PNP official explains in an interview with radio station dzBB that the police will implement mobile checkpoints throughout Metro Manila. He assures that the rights of motorists would be respected.

The directive also orders the creation of special action groups to monitor sensitive areas and protect identified target personalities.

The intensified campaign will result in increased joint police-military presence in Metro Manila than the normal Commission on Elections requirements for the deployment of security during the May 14 elections.

The PNP will also continue implementing the 11 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew inside Camp Crame, the national police headquarters.

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7: 33 p.m.

Philippine Army commanding Gen. Jaime de los Santos confirms that pro-Estrada forces still have plans to storm the Edsa Shrine, where People Power 2 forces are conducting a prayer raly and Labor Day celebrations.

De Los Santos is the ground commander of the estimated 2, 000 combined Philippine National Police and Armed Forces of the Philippines personnel deployed near the Edsa Shrine. He says that they are confident that the pro-Estrada forces will not succeed in any attempt to disrupt the Edsa Shrine festivities, particularly since their leaders have been arrested.

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7: 23 p.m.

Legarda going to the Quiapo area is now open to vehicular traffic, as well as Recto.

Authorities are still conducting mopping-up operations in the corner of Morayta and Recto. Morayata remains closed to traffic.

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7: 01 p.m.

More than 77 suspects have been arrested and detained at Camp Crame, according to a live TV report in GMA-7’s Saksi news program. Authorities allegedly caught the suspects in the act during the series of confrontations between pro-Estrada demonstrators and government troops.

Authorities have recovered knives, a .38 caliber gun, metal pipes and other weapons from the suspects. The authorities have also conducted drug tests, with 7 suspects already testing positive for shabu and one for marijuana.

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6: 34 p.m.

Sen. Juan Ponce Enrile, Chief Supt. Victor Batac and Col. Dionisio Valeroso remain in the custody of Philippine National Police (PNP) intelligence chief Reynaldo Berroya, according to radio reports. The three, who have been arrested for sedition charges, were supposed to be turned over to the PNP Criminal Investigation and Detection Group.

The Intelligence Group is still awaiting further orders to turn over the three. The PNP is also investigating reports that former PNP chief Panfilo Lacson, who has also been ordered arrested, is in Hong Kong.

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6: 22 p.m.

Ms Macapagal addresses all Filipinos in other countries and foreign nations that have monitored the situation, saying that her government is firmly in control. She adds that declaring a state of rebellion was not a hard decision for her to make.

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6: 20 p.m.

Ms Macapagal assures the public that her government is firmly in control and that there is no need to panic. She stresses that the military and police are solidly behind the government and are working together to maintain peace and order.

She, however, adds that the public should not become complacent, saying that if they receive reports of groups gathering, they should immediately inform the authorities.

She adds that they would post on TV the faces of those who assaulted the Palace, so that the public may know who they are. Ms Macapagal also asks the public to give information on the people who have been ordered arrested.

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6: 18 p.m.

Ms Macapagal says she does not know if Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago will turn witness, saying that the process of completing the evidence against the alleged conspirators.

She also stresses that she would give financial assistance to those who were killed and wounded from both sides.

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6: 16 p.m.

Asked to comment on speculations that the state of rebellion might frighten away investors, Ms Macapagal says that it would have been worse if she had not made a declaration and the pro-Estrada forces had overrun Malacañang and killed her.

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6: 15 p.m.

Ms Macapagal says that more arrests will follow, including people in government and out of it. Since she is the only one who can declare a state of rebellion, she says she will monitor events and say if the state of rebellion is over.

She says that the state of rebellion has only been declared in Metro Manila.

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6: 12 p.m.

Ms Macapagal explains that the declaration of a state of rebellion is merely a recognition that acts of rebellion are taking place, in order for arrests to be made. Asked to comment on allegations that the declaration was unconstitutional, Ms Macapagal reads from a copy of constitution, stating that the President as commander-in-chief may call on military forces if the country is under attack by external forces or rebels.

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6: 10 p.m.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo explains that a curfew will not be enforced and that martial law has not been declared, in an interview with GMA-7’s Saksi TV news program.

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6: 05 p.m.

Presidential spokesperson Rigoberto Tiglao has confirmed that the government has declared a state of rebellion in the entire Philippines and not just Metro Manila, according to radio station dzBB.

Tiglao was quoted as saying that the increased military presence will initially be felt in Metro Manila.

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6: 04 p.m.

Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) Chief of Staff Diomedio Villanueva is now conducting a troop inspection of the military forces in Malacañang.

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6: 00 p.m.

Government forces have cleared Recto of the so-called Estrada sympathizers, who have fled in different directions, according to radio station dzBB.

The authorities are also questioning civilians, releasing them once it is proven that they are not part of the mob that has engaged in wanton destruction.

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5: 56 p.m.

SWAT teams are using tear gas against rowdy youths claiming to be Estrada symphatizers along Recto and Avenida. The so-called Estrada supporters were throwing Molotov cocktails or makeshift firebombs while retreating to Divisoria, Avenida and different alleys in the Recto area.

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5: 53 p.m.

A state of rebellion has been declared not only in the National Capital Region, but also in the entire country, according to unconfirmed reports from radio station dzBB.

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5: 49 p.m.

Asked to comment on the alleged document left behind at the Veterans Memorial Medical Center, Sen. Vicente Sotto III says it is possible this was an old document drafted months ago. Authorities claim to have recovered today the draft of a statement proclaiming that President Joseph Estrada was now returning from his “leave of absence” and reassuming the presidency.

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5: 47 p.m.

Sen. Vicente Sotto III says that as early as the second day of the pro-Estrada rallies at the Edsa Shrine, the demonstrators were already calling for a march to Malacañang. Denying that he and other opposition senators incited the crowd, Sotto says in telephone interview with GMA News that the only reason he went to the Edsa Shrine was to ask the police not to disperse the crowd.

He claims that whenever people were calling for an attack on the Palace, the opposition senators would ask the crowd not to march to Malacañang.

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5: 43 p.m.

Western Police District operatives have arrested in the Recto area a “boyish-looking” woman who was caught carrying a bottle filled with acid in her bag.

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5: 40 p.m.

Agriculture Secretary Leonardo Montemayor says that the declaration of a state of rebellion in the National Capital Region would have a positive effect on the agricultural sector. He says in an interview with radio station dzBB has already taken steps to ensure improved agricultural production in the second half of 2001.

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5: 25 p.m.

Three mobile units from the Western Police District are now chasing after Estrada sympathizers in Recto. The Estrada sympathizers have been setting fire to vehicles along Recto using Molotov cocktails or makeshift bombs.

The perpetrators, mostly youths, have also hurled rocks and broken the windows of San Sebastian College, banks and other establishments along Recto.

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5: 22 p.m.

Local Government Secretary Jose Lina says that it is still prudent for people living near the Malacañang area to remain home. He, however, says in a TV interview that the situation has been normalized at the Edsa Shrine and that people can rest assured that peace and order would be maintained.

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5: 21 p.m.

Thousands of people are still converging at the Edsa Shrine, where People Power 2 forces are conducting a prayer rally and Labor Day celebrations.

Vehicles are using alternate routes as the northbound lane is blocked.

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5: 17 p.m.

Pro-Estrada demonstrators are now burning an L-300 van at the corner of Recto and Morayta Avenue. Though numbering less than 100, the Estrada supporters remain defiant. Some of the demonstrators have threatened members of the media, saying that they would also burn the vehicles of the media, according to radio station dzBB.

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5: 11 p.m.

Former Defense Secretary Fortunato Abat expresses his support for the declaration of a state of rebellion.

Abat says that this is not a prelude to martial law, in an interview with radio station dzBB.

Asked how long a state of rebellion will remain in the National Capital Region, Abat explains that, as far as he understands, the President has 48 hours. After this, she will have to appear before Congress to explain why she declared a state of rebellion. A special session of Congress will have to be called, he explains.

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5: 07 p.m.

Government troops have placed checkpoints along both sides of Ramon Magsaysay Boulevard. The government has stationed military vehicles near Ramon Magsaysay Boulevard.

Pro-Estrada forces had retreated toward Ramon Magsaysay after being dispersed, with some hurling rocks and pillboxes against the government troops.

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5: 04 p.m.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo is now in the Nagtahan area, shaking hands with the government troops and thanking them for defending Malacañang.

Ms Macapagal thanks the soldiers for saving her life and the life of the republic, when asked to give a message by radio station dzBB.

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4: 55 p.m.

Chief Supt. Victor Batac and Col. Dionisio Valeroso, the two police generals now under the custody of Philippine National Police (PNP) intelligence chief Reynaldo Berroya, deny that they were part of the conspiracy to overthrow the Macapagal government.

Batac and Valeroso deny that they were part of an elite team of former PNP chief Panfilo Lacson tasked to plot the overthrow of the government, according to a TV report. They say that their former ties with the rightist RAM group might have led the government to suspect them.

Berroya says that the two will be turned over to the PNP Criminal Investigation and Detection Group.

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4: 50 p.m.

Narciso Santiago says that his wife was never present during the supposed meetings of conspirators against the Macapagal administration. He adds that the senator is not a “traitor” who will abandon her colleagues.

In a telephone interview with a TV station, Narciso Santiago says that Sen. Defensor-Santiago is now asleep at their home.

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4: 49 p.m.

Former Local Government Undersecretary Narciso Santiago says that reports that his wife, Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago, might turn state witness are fabrications and mere attempts to discredit her.

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4: 44 p.m.

Former Local Government Secretary Ronaldo Puno, who is in Sta. Rosa, Laguna, says that deposed President Joseph Estrada is in good condition. He says in a television interview that Estrada has been monitoring today’s events and was saddened by the violence.

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4: 41 p.m.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo walks from Centro Escolar University to La Consolacion in the Mendiola area to thank the government troops that defended Malacañang.

The President, guarded by the Presidential Security Group, also shakes hands with bystanders and members of the media.

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4: 38 p.m.

The government might consider making opposition Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago a state witness. Santiago was one of the opposition senators that the government has ordered arrested for sedition charges. She might turn state witness, however, if she testifies against those who plotted the downfall of the Macapagal administration.

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4: 34 p.m.

Sen. Juan Ponce Enrile explains that he did not incite the pro-Estrada crowd to sedition.

Asked to explain his speeches at the Edsa Shrine protests, Enrile explains that politicians tend to resort to hyperbole when they make speeches.

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4: 33 p.m.

Sen. Juan Ponce Enrile has already been brought to Camp Crame. Enrile, a staunch ally of former President Joseph Estrada, has been arrested for allegedly inciting the pro-Estrada forces to sedition.

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4: 27 p.m.

Justice Secretary Hernando Perez says that the declaration of a state of rebellion does not mean the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, in a press conference in Malacañang. He says that the declaration is an “act of self-defense” on the part of the government.

Perez says there is enough evidence to warrant the arrest of Senators Juan Ponce Enrile, Gregorio Honasan and Miriam Defensor-Santiago, as well as other opposition leaders such as former Philippine National Police chief Panfilo Lacson and former ambassador to the US Ernesto Maceda.

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4: 18 p.m.

Sin is now praying to the Blessed Virgin Mary, whom he says is the mother of the Filipino people and the Queen of Peace.

Sin asks the Blessed Virgin to forgive those who have desecrated her shrine and to remove hate and vindictiveness from the hearts of the people. He thanks her for helping the Filipino people overcome this crisis.

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4: 15 p.m.

Sin calls on the crowd to pray for peace. He says that in this Mass, they would pray for peace, enlightenment and sobriety.

“We do not hold these sins against the poor,” Sin says. He says that they do not hold anything against the poor and that they understand the sufferings of the poor.

Sin calls on the government to address the needs of the poor. Sin, however, says that those who have manipulated the poor should be punished, and that the “wrath of God” will be upon them.

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4: 12 p.m.

Manila Archbishop Jaime Cardinal Sin is now delivering the homily at the Edsa Shrine Mass.

He says that the forces of democracy have recovered the Edsa Shrine. He says that profanity and untoward acts have desecrated this holy ground.

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4: 08 p.m.

Six fire trucks have been stationed along Mendiola.

Concerned citizens are distributing food to the government troops, according to radio station dzBB.

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4: 07 p.m.

Manila Archbishop Jaime Cardinal Sin is set to deliver the homily at the Mass being held at the Edsa Shrine.

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4: 05 p.m.

The joint forces of the, Philippine National Police, Philippine Navy and Philippine Army are continuing to chase after the pro-Estrada demonstrators that have retreated to Ramon Magsaysay Boulevard in Sta. Mesa.

Pro-Estrada youths have hurled rocks and pillboxes at the government forces. The government troops have already caught and arrested two men in Ramon Magsaysay..

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4: 02 p.m.

The Integrated Bar of the Philippines asks the government to reconsider its decision to declare a "state of rebellion."

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4: 01 p.m.

Pro-Estrada demonstrators have regrouped at the corner of Quezon Boulevard and Claro M. Recto near Mendiola. Anti-riot police are continuing to monitor the situation.

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3: 52 p.m.

Philippine National Police intelligence chief Senior Supt. Reynaldo Berroya has already arrived at the residence of opposition Sen. Juan Ponce Enrile, according to radio station dzBB. Berroya is arresting Enrile for alleged acts inciting to sedition.

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3: 50 p.m.

Roberto Pagdanganan, former Bulacan governor, expresses support for President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo’s decision to declare a state of rebellion. Pagdanganan, who is running for senator under the administration’s People Power Coalition, stresses in a radio interview that this is not a declaration of martial law.

He says that the President’s decision to declare a state of rebellion was warranted by the circumstances. He says it would have been worse to do nothing.

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3: 45 p.m.

Another pillbox has exploded in the vicinity of the Ramon Magsaysay flyover in the Nagtahan area.

The Marines are continuing to sweep the area to disperse the pro-Estrada forces. Philippine Army soldiers in full battle gear are augmenting the joint forces of the Marines and Philippine National Police.

The pro-Estrada forces have now retreated to the foot of Ramon Magsaysay bridge. Some pro-Estrada demonstrators are continuing to hurl rocks and pillboxes.

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3: 38 p.m.

The People Power 2 forces that have reclaimed the Edsa Shrine have removed the pro-Estrada flags from the Shrine and flyovers. Cause-oriented groups, including Couples for Christ, Gomburza, Akbayan, Bayan Muna, and Kompil II, have gathered tens of thousands of pro-democracy supporters. The anti-Estrada forces are now praying the rosary.

The Philippine National Police and Armed Forces of the Philippines have deployed additional personnel to maintain peace and order.

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3:14 p.m.

Estrada supporters have converged and taunted members of the Philippine National Police SWAT team near the corner of CM Recto and Quezon Blvd in Manila. The PNP forces are attempting to disperse the crowd.

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3:10 p.m.

PNP Intelligence chief Senior Supt. Reynaldo Berroya is on his way to arrest Sen. Juan Ponce Enrile at his residence over charges of sedition when he allegedly instigated through speeches at the pro-Estrada rallies the former president's supporters to rebel against the government.

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3:02 p.m.

Tens of thousands of People Power 2 proponents are massing around the Edsa Shrine to hold a prayer vigil. They have reclaimed the shrine after the Estrada supporters left the area when government announced a "state of rebellion" to quell an uprising against the government instigated by the pro-Estrada camp.

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2:50 p.m.

Militant group Akbayan has supported the declaration of the Macapagal-Arroyo for a "state of rebellion" to restore order in Manila in the wake of ongoing clashes between pro-Estrada rallyists and elements of the military-police Civil Disturbance Unit.

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2:29 p.m.

Elements of the civil disturbance unit of the Armed Forces started its aggressive dispersal of Estrada supporters camped at the Nagtahan Bridge. The troops started firing gunshots from their automatic weapons to take out the Estrada supporters from the area.

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2:25 p.m.

Around 30 Estrada supporters have been arrested by the Philippine National Police over the wave of violence that marred Manila due to the dispersal of pro-Estrada rallyists near the Malacanang area.

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2:23 p.m.

Former Ambassador Ernesto Maceda has volunteered to surrender this afternoon after the Department of Justice ordered his arrest over charges he incited Estrada supporters to rebel against the government. Maceda is set to ask the legal basis of his arrest.

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2:13 p.m.

Estrada supporters are on their way to Liwasang Bonifacio to initiate a confrontation with militant groups Kilusang Mayo Uno, Bagong Alyansang Makabayan, Gabriela, and Bayan Muna, who are holding mass actions in the area. The militant groups were reported to have retreated back and plan to join a prayer rally at the EDSA shrine later today.

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2:12 p.m.

Estrada supporters have reportedly burned a Philippine Red Cross vehicle near the Nagtahan bridge in a continuing clash with authorities

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2:09 p.m.

Arrests on other Estrada allies, such as Sen. Gregorio Honasan and former Ambassador Ernesto Maceda, would be done today, according to television reports.

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12:30 p.m.

The Department of Justice is set to produce a warrant, as part of the powers vested upon the government under a state of rebellion, to arrest Senators Juan Ponce Enrile and Miriam Defensor-Santiago for inciting Estrada supporters to rebel against the government

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12:03 p.m.

Macapagal announces a state of rebellion around Metro Manila allowing the government to use force in quelling the ongoing street demonstrations.

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11:34 a.m.

The United States released a statement affirming its support for the Macapagal-Arroyo government

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11:23 a.m.

Anti-Estrada forces, mostly members of militant groups have arrived along Mendiola Street and are converging near Gate 7 of Malacanang Palace.

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11:19 a.m.

Several other property have been destroyed, including a Kia Pride parked along C.M. Recto Ave.

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11:00 a.m.
ABS-CBN clarifies the vehicle burned is not theirs but a construction vehicle parked along Legarda Street.

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10:50 a.m.


Rallyists burn a vehicle owned by broadcast network ABS-CBN.

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10:30 a.m.

The dispersal of rallyists starts. Estrada supporters fight back by throwing rocks at the dispersal unit. An INQUIRER photographer, Jess Yuson, and a GMA-7 reporter Jiggy Manicad were hurt in the melee.

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8:40 a.m.

Ms Macapagal said Estrada signed a document "ending his leave of absence" and regain power.

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8:37 a.m.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo read a statement on air condemning all politicians allied to jailed ex-president Joseph Estrada for instigating the march to Malacanang. She hinted filing sedition charges against them.

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7:35 a.m.

Twenty Estrada supporters were arrested and detained at the Western Police District headquarters and are now undergoing interrogation.

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7:29 a.m.

Some Estrada supporters are seen leaving through the Arlegui gate as the crowd thins. Radio reporters, however, cannot determine if the rallyists are going home for good or will be back again.

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7:27 a.m.

Some Estrada supporters are now sitting on the gutter and even engaging in conversation with the soldiers. The tension has eased, according to radio reports.

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7:06 a.m.

Presidential spokesperson Rigoberto Tiglao said in a telephone interview with GMA-7 that there were police reports that some of the pro-Estrada rallyists were drunk or high on shabu.

While Tiglao wishes no more harm to any of the protesters, he opined that some of the rallyists who stormed the palace were the real “hardcore loyalists,” and that some of them were even “goons.”

He said that Malacañang is monitoring the situation and that they are on top of it, although this occurrence is far from normal.

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7:00 a.m.

Water cannons fail to dampen the spirits of the Estrada supporters who continue to lay siege on Malacañang. Tear gas and warning shots temporarily drive them away, but they flock around the gates of the palace again a bit later.

An ambulance is seen going toward Gate 7 as reports of some injured Estrada supporters circulate.

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6:55 a.m.

GMA-7 reports that former president Estrada and his son and co-accused Jinggoy are now detained at Fort Sto. Domingo in Sta. Rosa, Laguna. The two were airlifted via helicopter at around 6 a.m. from the Veterans Memorial Medical Center in Quezon City.

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6:53 a.m.

A 21-year-old male is arrested by the Western Police District for taking with him a shield used by the crowd dispersal unit.

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6:45 a.m.

Sen. Vicente Sotto III, interviewed by CNN, says that the march of the people toward the palace was triggered in part by insults which Estrada supporters at Edsa receive from “the media and rich people.”

Sotto also maintained that a person should be considered innocent until proven guilty, and that this is the guiding principle behind the Edsa rally since the protesters believe Estrada was jailed without being given a chance to prove his innocence.

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6:38 a.m.

Gunshots and tear gas are still being fired at the Estrada supporters at Mendiola. The angry mob retreats, regroups and then goes back to the gate.

They say they won't leave until president Macapagal steps down from office.

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6:29 a.m.

Presidential chief of staff Renato Corona goes on air again via telephone interview. He identified the persons being considered to be charged with sedition as Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago, Ernesto Maceda and Juan Ponce-Enrile.

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6:14 a.m.

Sen. Aquilino Pimentel is being interviewed via telephone on TV. He says it is now up to Estrada, that he should appeal to the people to stay calm and allow the processes of the law to take their course.

He says the voice of Estrada should calm the people. Even if he is brought to Fort Sto. Domingo in Sta. Rosa, Laguna, Pimentel says his message could be videotaped.

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6:03 a.m.

Most of the soldiers at Veterans Memorial Medical Center are now leaving.

Earlier, Estrada and his son and co-accused Jinggoy Estrada, were flown out via helicopter to Sta. Rosa, Laguna, about 50 kilometers south of Manila.

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6:00 a.m.

One policeman is confirmed dead, hit squarely on the chest by a sumpak or homemade shotgun fired by an Estrada supporter.

A sumpak is made of a piece of lead pipe, rubber and nails.

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5:57 a.m.

GMA-7 reports that former president Estrada has already been airlifted to Fort Sto. Domingo in Sta. Rosa, Laguna.

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5:53 a.m.

Estrada counsels Andres Narvasa and Cleofe Verzola are now at the Veterans Memorial Medical Center where Estrada is being held. Earlier, lawyer Rene Saguisag went to see the ousted president, and he is still at the hospital with Estrada.

Rumors of Estrada’s transfer to Sta. Rosa are still in the air, but so far only false alarms have occurred.

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5:50 a.m.

Lawyer Crispin Remulla says that the Puwersa ng Masa is now meeting and that they have been appealing for sobriety since last night, but their appeal to the crowd fell on deaf ears.

He added that only former president Estrada could pacify the crowd and that the rallyists need to see him and hear from him in person.

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5:41 a.m.

Presidential chief of staff Renato Corona says that a message, to be delivered by president Macapagal later, in essence will state that the government is still intact and that the police were merely forced to defend themselves when the Estrada supporters broke through the barricade.

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5:40 a.m.

Tear gas is again employed and the rallyists move back from Gate 7.

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5:33 a.m.

The Estrada supporters are now knocking on the gates of Malacañang. They are occupying the entire Mendiola bridge already.

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5:31 a.m.

The Estrada marchers move toward Gate 7 anew.

Again, the PSG fire warning shots.

The marchers still advance.

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5:30 a.m.

TV reports indicate that Estrada counsel Rene Saguisag had arrived at the Veterans Memorial Medical Center to see the former president.

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5:25 a.m.

Chief of staff Renato Corona is again interviewed on TV.

He says that about two hours ago, a policeman had died because of the clash with the Estrada supporters, while another fatality is still being verified. He adds that scores more have been injured because they were stoned while trying to disperse the crowd.

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5:19 a.m.

The rest of the pro-Estrada marchers on Mendiola bridge are moving toward Gate 7 to join the 100 or so others who were left in front of St. Jude church with the PNP and the PSG.

Warning shots are again fired, and the Estrada supporters retreat anew.

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5:15 a.m.

In a radio interview, JV Ejercito, son of Estrada with mistress Guia Gomez, called on the pro-Erap marchers to exercise calm. He says he had been trying to dissuade the crowd from marching toward Malacañang, but he was unsuccessful.

Ejercito says he does not know what the crowd at Malacañang will do now.

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5:00 a.m.

Chief of staff Renato Corona is being interviewed via telephone from Malacañang. He says president Macapagal is preparing a statement and that there is nothing to fear because the government has the situation under control.

In the background while Corona is being interviewed, sporadic gunshots could be heard. Corona stresses that these are all just warning shots.

He also clarifies that the Estrada supporters were not able to storm Malacañang, although a handful were able to climb over the fences but eventually led outside.

Corona adds that they will study if any sedition charges could be filed against certain people.

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4:55 a.m.

Busloads of police are reported to have arrived at Nagtahan from the barricade which the pro-Estrada marchers broke through earlier at Sta. Mesa.

Most of the Estrada supporters are reportedly sitting on the island resting while the crowd dispersal units continue to regroup.

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4:48 a.m.

At the Veteran’s Memorial Hospital, two tanks were reportedly pulled out to augment the units at Malacañang. White PNP vehicles reportedly left the hospital earlier, but radio reports indicate that former president Estrada is still within the hospital’s premises.

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4:45 a.m.

About 50 PSG people are in front of Gate 7 of Malacañang talking to about 200 Estrada supporters, according to TV reports.

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4:40 a.m.

A PNP officer is reportedly talking to the Pro-Estrada forces in what appears to be a temporary standoff, according to radio reports. A PSG officer is reportedly asking the Estrada supporters to sit down on the ground while they are talking.

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4:33 a.m.

Radio reports say no one is seen lying on the ground after the gunshots, and that the shots were fired upward. Nevertheless, the shots made Estrada supporters back off, some hiding beneath trucks.

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4:30 a.m.

More than 500 anti-riot police are reportedly on Mendiola bridge as the crowd tones down a bit after the gunshots. Radio reports say that some Erap supporters are asking the others to wait for their leaders.

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4:29 a.m.

Erap supporters are now at Gate 7, the gate fronting Mendiola, near St. Jude Church. The rest of the pro-Estrada marchers are at the foot of Mendiola bridge.

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4:26 a.m.

Pro-Estrada forces are backing up toward St. Jude. Members of the Philippine army are moving forward, gunshots are everywhere, but a radio reporter says they are all fired upward.

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4:22 a.m.

Pro-Estrada forces continue their march despite the gunshots.

Anti-Erap forces are now nowhere to be seen.

Two armored personal carriers can now be seen, accompanied by two 6x6 vehicles to bolster the others. Army personnel in full battle gear can be seen.

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4:20 a.m.

Gunshots are being fired. A radio reporter likens the explosions to New Year.

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4:17 a.m.

More marine forces and AFP with high-caliber weapons are reported moving forward to meet the crowd.

The bulk of pro-Estrada marchers are now on Don Chino Roces bridge.

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4:15 a.m.

As the crowd thickens, six 6x6 trucks are seen, more Air Force people are seen and the blocking forces start to regroup.

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4:13 a.m.

Another fallen crowd dispersal unit member is shown on the ground, with a mob surrounding him. He is engulfed by the crowd, arms raised to protect his head.

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4:09 a.m.

Some grocery stores are reported to have been looted.

A member of the crowd dispersal unit is shown on TV being stoned, runs back to safety, but falls down on the ground and remains there for several seconds until a compatriot picks him up.

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4:07 a.m.

Inside the gates of Malacañang, members of the Philippine Air Force and Philippine Army with high-caliber weapons can be seen.

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4:02 a.m.

A dump truck, other vehicles and more Estrada supporters are forcing their way toward the gate.

Radio reports say gunfire can now be heard, and some pro-Estrada supporters are retreating.

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3:59 a.m.

Radio reports say that a multitude of Erap supporters are moving toward the checkpoint of the PSG, overwhelming the PSG and barbed wires.

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3:55 a.m.

The PNP barricade on J.P. Laurel has been broken by the pro-Estrada marchers. Fire trucks are rendered useless. Rallyists, mostly male, are seen going toward Malacañang.

More tear gas bombs are exploding.

Radio reporters describe the scene as anarchy, and that police are backing up.

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3:49 a.m.

Radio reporters say they hear explosions accompanied by thick smoke.

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3:40 a.m.

At the Nagtahan flyover, at the corner of Nagtahan and J.P. Laurel, another blockade greets the pro-Estrada marchers.

Pro-Erap forces are seen on Nagtahan, armed with rocks and truncheons they wrested from the PNP.

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3:35 a.m.

The People Power 2 forces are being transferred from Mendiola to another area as requested by the Presidential Security Group in order for them to secure the area.

About 700 people are still on Mendiola, across the foot of Mendiola bridge behind the barricade.

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3:30 a.m.

Water cannons are reportedly bombarding the pro-Estrada forces on Sta. Mesa bridge on Ramon Magsaysay Boulevard. Radio reports indicate that despite the water cannons, the Erap supporters are still marching forward. A radio reporter says even the PNP are now retreating because of the sheer volume of people moving toward them.

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3:26 a.m.

Truckloads of crowd dispersal units, five six-by-six trucks, are seen arriving on Sta. Mesa bridge. Tear gas is still in the air, people are reportedly walking around with eyes stung.

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3:24 a.m.

Near Stop-and-Shop on Ramon Magsaysay Boulevard, residents and onlookers are reportedly affected by the eye-stinging tear gas. People are reportedly walking around the street and seeking shelter at Stop-and-Shop with handkerchiefs covering their eyes.

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3:21 a.m.

“Handa kaming mamatay!” cries an Estrada supporter over a microphone after enduring tear gas from PNP.

Radio reports indicate that water cannons are being readied against the onslaught of Estrada supporters at the corner of V. Mapa in San Juan and Ramon Magsaysay Boulevard.

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3:15 a.m.

Erap supporters have broken through a PNP blockade on Ortigas Avenue. Using a dump truck as a battering ram, the supporters were able to make their way through the blockade despite tear gas sprays.

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3:09 a.m.

A group of Estrada supporters are reportedly making their way on A. Luna in San Juan near SM Centerpoint headed toward Nagtahan.

Another group of Estrada supporters is on Ortigas Avenue. Radio reports indicate that it is not clear at the moment who is heading the throng of people marching toward Malacañang.

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3:07 a.m.

TV reports indicate that should pro-Estrada rallyists at the Edsa shrine march toward Malacañang via Legarda or Claro M. Recto, they will be met by a contingent from the Philippine National Police.

3:02 a.m.

Anti-Estrada forces are holding their ground at Mendiola as reports of a first wave of Estrada supporters marching toward Malacañang reach them.

Police are stationed around the historic Mendiola bridge, while the People Power 2 forces are arm-in-arm in prayer. Ave Maria lingers in the air.

Earlier, JV Ejercito, son of ousted leader Joseph Estrada, said that he tried to dissuade the pro-Erap forces from marching toward Malacañang but now, he says, he can no longer hold the people back.














































































































































































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"STATE OF REBELLION": THAT'S CODE FOR MARTIAL LAW

by dick M (no login)

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Darn right.

by Feling (no login)

Sinabi ko naman sa 'yo noon DickM na pag-lumabas si Bush, tanggal si Erap.

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may sinabi ka bang ganyan?

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???

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Itanong mo pa kay MY

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...

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What rebellion

by Napanice (no login)

First it was a misguided crowd and now it's rebellion? There must be a given set of conditions, events, and actions in order to warrant a declaration of this state because it can lead to the loss of individual rights to assemble and express their dissent against the government. The latest events hardly resemble a rebellion at all, where were the arms, where were the organized para-military troops?

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This is getting complicated

by Napanice (no login)

There must be a justification for this declaration, was there an undeniable attempt to rebel or was it just a demand similar to EDSA 2 where they asked for a resignation? If violence is a factor, then what about a riot, does that constitute rebellion as well? Was there an army leading the crowd to say that an armed conflict was imminent? The coup attempt fizzled out essentially taking the military out of the picture. Can one be construed a rebel just for throwing a piece of rock? This word 'rebellion' was applied to the communists, therefore there is no need for this declaration since the country is in that state even before EDSA 3 took place.

In addition, the NDF has just finished negotiating with the government. Was there a similar negotiation that took place officially that clearly showed the intent to rebel? I remember Erap's government negotiating with Gloria's reps and there were demands and concessions from both sides which to me construed as negotiating with a rebellious group.

Someone had better clarify this because I did not see any signs of rebellion take place, the papers called the crowd 'unruly' but never 'rebelling'. There is an insinuation here that since rebellion is taking place, therefore the government can proceed with several steps necessary to quell it, possibly with the intention of removing the rights of the individual to assemble and express their dissent against the government.

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Sorry for the duplicate posts.

by Napanice (no login)

The original post disappeared from my screen then after I composed another one, these two showed up. Funny!

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While you are euphoric

by Garfield-Moonace (no login)

watching the 16-17 year olds storming Gate 7 with stones
I cry for the families of the hapless victims..the policemen...

I do not know what kind of people can be jubilant for this kind of freedom of expression...

I cannot find the right word....

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Sabi ni Gloria "I will crush you!"

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Hindi naman niya dapat iniutos doon sa mga pulis na humalang sa labas, alam na niyang darating ang mga taong galit. Siya ang dapat sisihin diyan sa nangyari dahil parang itinulak niya yung mga pulis sa dumarating na sasakyan.

Hindi pa rin yata natatandaan ng mga tao noong bago umalis si Erap sa Malakanyang, ang sabi niya'y 'Aalis ako dito dahil ayaw kong may masaktan, hindi dahil sa ako'y nagbibitiw sa aking tungkulin bilang pangulo.'

Marami pa sigurong itutulak na tao itong si Gloria para lamang manatili siya doon, malambot siguro ang kutson sa kama niya at mas malapad pa. Sarap na sarap siguro siyang magtatalon. Yipee! Hehehe.

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EDSA 2 had never been violent

by Garfield-Moonace (no login)

They police their ranks...

You do not see young people hurling rocks, carrying knives and throwing trash to the people...

There is a lot of difference and you also know that...

I pity these wayward youth...Because of poverty and corrupt government, they become part of the society's
ills.



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People at EDSA 2 never faced machineguns and tear gas

by Feling (no login)

but the record shows that violence against Estrada was theatened. It was only his voluntary departure from Malacanang that prevented bloodshed. This time, any drop of blood that's spilled will be on the hands of Ms. Arroyo and those who put her there in total disregard of the constitution.

Ironic that it is the so-called uneducated masa that understands the value of the rule of law.

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Were there troublemakers in EDSA 2 ?

by Garfield-Moonace (no login)

They pray, they sing but not this kind of display of emotion...and if this is the kind you like...
then I cannot change you...but I am not that type...





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Ha, ha, ha, ha.

by Feling (no login)

You see the trouble the country is having now? That's all from EDSA 2 that according to Ms. Arroyo really started in 2000.

Did you forget all those obscenities against Estrada and those who dared support him at the time? Some were even gleefully posted in that forum you frequented and shared the laughter with? How quickly people forget the dirty tricks employed that were even more hurtful than actual rocks because they were meant to hurt the spirit more than the body.

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Alam mo naman pala e, gagawin mo pa akong Pare.

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Malaki nga ang pagkakaiba kaya't huwag mong asahan na gagawin nila ang ginawa doon sa EDSA 2. Iyan ang gusto ko dito sa mga statistics ng gobyerno, matapos na gawin ay nagiging statistics na rin doon sa cabinet. Nariyan na ang poverty level, ang crime rate, ang drug addicts, ang unemployment, atbp pero politika ang unang pinaguukulan ng pansin.

KaBiT10U



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gar, nung jan. 20... lumusob yung mga militanteng grupo...

by dick M (no login)

sa malacanang para patalsikin si erap BY FORCE AND VIOLENCE kung hindi siya willing mag-step down before 12 pm...

buti na lang after some delays ay bumamba na rin si erap sa pwesto niya kundi the commie militant groups would have cause serious violence...

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However did you read any euphoria in my post, Garfield? Projecting yourself?

by Feling (no login)

Pity, someone wrote, is the most immoral thing because the source of pity is assuming a position of superiority to the recipient of the pity. These seemingly poverty stricken people are to be admired, not pitied because they, with whatever meager means they might have, can still afford to fight for what they believe in. Strange that these object of your pity are the ones who seem to understand and appreciate democratic principles and basic human rights.

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Why respond?

by Garfield-Moonace (no login)

Hurt by the truth ?

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Not the truth Garfield . . . by such blatant misrepresentation on your part.

by Feling (no login)

and because I recall all the rabidly anti-Estrada posts I read that bore your name at nother forum.

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I have not changed

by Garfield-Moonace (no login)

I was for freedom of expression so I encourage people to join EDSA...

I was for freedom for expression but not hecklers like the mob in Mendiola...

I condemn the leaders who instigated them and leave them by themselves...

Tell me where is JV, where is Enrile, where are the
leaders ? Wala sila pag patayan na....
NASAAN SILA? at NASAAN KA ?

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I can see you haven't.

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. . .

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and oh yeah! I'm right in this

by Feling (no login)

posting just like you.

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ganyan rin ang ginawa ni cory diba nung edsa 1..

by dick M (no login)

biglang nawala...

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Still hurting for the insults from the other

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forum...

I never was a part of it...If ever I posted something that is different from your views it was never directed to you.

Yeen and Dick and I are poles apart in views but I do not take it against them if they post something that I do not believe in...and vice-versa...



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No Garfield, I don't take insults from anyone

by Feling (no login)

And I know you never directed anything at me. But You did write quite a few of your opinions which I took note of and also the ones that you agreed with. So, to the extent that you say you haven't changed, then I wouldn't be so far off when I conclude that these opinions you posted and agreed with pretty much reflect how you feel about quite a few things.

I am glad to hear you express your concern for the poor. But I know how it is to be poor when you don't even know where your next meal will be or not having any money to see the doctor. If you know how it is to be poor, you dare not talk down at them or even insinuate that they have better things to do than fight for their rights as human beings and demand that they be taken seriously by their leaders.

They have heard Arroyo say, 'by whatever means necessesary . . ' so there you go.

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I am sorry if I posted which hurt

by Garfield-Moonace (no login)

some of you.

It has never been my character to hurt people's feelings..

I have never trusted my suppressed anger towards events that sometimes it is too late that I can write words hurting people...

Again, I am sorry and good bye for now...


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Hey...please stay...

by Moonyeen (no login)

Ano ba naman yan....wala sanang personalan ang debatehan natin dito.

You know when I was at the update during the heat of PP2, those forumers there asked me to back out and I did because I respect their feelings....

When emotions are too high...parang ibon yan na gustong pumayagpag.....


Ngek!


MY

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Thanks Yeen,

by Garfield-Moonace (no login)

the reason why I did not post in PHNO for a long time
because I do not want to lose your friendship, Dick and Kabit ( I know you)...I know we will have differences in opinion which could lead to misundestanding...but Dick invited me back..

magpapalamig lang ako...

kakain nga halo-halo....

meow...



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Puwede mo pa rin akong kausapin oy!

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Hehehe, balat elepante ako hindi agad napipikon. Subukan pa mu!

KaBiT10U


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what happened, gar?

by dick M (no login)

hindi ko kasi namomonitor ang nangyayari sa phno kanina eh...

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oh.. nabasa ko na...

by dick M (no login)

well, sana naman wag ka nang mawala dito...

cool down muna kayo...



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In times of war, love will prevail....then compassion.

by Moonyeen (no login)

Panay na raw ang pitik ng puso ni KBT10U. Nag-appear na kasi ni Magandang Binibino. Tibok..Tibok..tibok..tibok..inlababo naman ...yahooooooooooooooooooooooo...

Well, in every war, we cannot avoid casualties. Although some of us do not condone the idea of violence but the emotion right now is too high especially to those poor whom they called dirt, smelly, uneducated and hirelings. Pag karalangan na ng isang mahirap ang nilaspatangan ng mga well-informed people at mayayaman, asahan mong may umaapoy, naglalagablab, dumadaloy na galit sa mga taong nasaktan....

Kahit mahirap lang sila, may ipinaglalaban na karalangan naman.

Mga batang ang armas lang ay mga bato at pamalo. Iisa lang ang dapat sisihin diyan, mga politikong parang asong ulol na rin at ang mga paring nakadamit itim......




MY

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Kinikilig ka na yata diyan a?

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Hindi tuloy ako makapag isip sa aking isinusulat dito. Hindi pa ako magsasalita pero ako'y nagugulat sa ipinakikitang katapangan ng ating mga kababayan. Siguro sila'y napasubo na, kahiyaan na ika. O baka naman lalo silang nagalit dahil sa pagkawala ni Erap at pagtatangkang basagin ang kanilang grupo upang manghina at patuluying mapaalis.

Ipagpatuloy mo ang pagka-Kupido pren. Gusto ko yan! Har har har!

KaBiT10U


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Super kilig talaga pero pabugos-bugso rin ang damdamin ko rito...

by Moonyeen (no login)

Sa init at pabugso-bugso nating damdamin ngayon ay talagang iisa lang ang patutunguhan. Lungkot o kaligayahan. Sana dalangin ko na matupad na ng ating mga kababayan ang kanilang pangarap sa buhay. Ang mabigyan sila ng karapatan, karalangan at kaginhawahan na nagmumula sa ating gobierno. Sana tigilan na rin ng Arroyo government sa pagkiling ng mga tulisan. Sila ang matagal ng salot sa bansa.

MY

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Ganyan talaga buhay ng mahirap

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Kung walang tutulong ay mananatili na lamang sila sa kanyang kinalalagyan. Kahit na anong pangako, pagkamay at pagngiti kung hindi naman nila makakain ay ganon pa rin, gutom at nakatunganga. Hindi naman nila mabangga ang mayayaman sapagka't wala sa kanilang panig ang batas, wala silang panalo. Hindi rin naman nila mabangga ang gobyerno sapagka't wala silang boses, hindi sila importante. Kaya't kung dumarating ang ganitong pagkakataon, kung may nakikita silang liwanag, pilit nilang ginagampanan ang nararapat na gawin, ang suportahan at ipaglaban ang gustong tumulong sa kanila.

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Nagalit ang mga tao sa pagtatangka na basagin sila.

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Estrada supporters turn violent, destroy public property
Posted: 10:38 AM (Manila Time) | May 01, 2001
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SUPPORTERS of ousted president Joseph Estrada have turned violent and destroyed public property along Mendiola Street as they moved back due to an ongoing dispersal operation by the military and police.

They overturned and burned a police vehicle near the Don Chino Roces bridge. They likewise destroyed makeshift walls along the street while throwing rocks at media practitioners covering the event.

GMA-7 reporter Jiggy Manicad and INQUIRER photographer Jess Yuson were injured after being hit by rocks on the head.



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Nakoww...parang mga Lakers fan pala ang mga yan...

by Moonyeen (no login)

Nanununog ng mga police cars pero din kayang Shaq diyan na babayaran ang mga sinira ng mga Lakers fan...


Umaapoy at runaragasa pa rin ang kanilang damdamin. Hala biraaaaaaaaaa......

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Nagsimula na ang pagbasag ng militar sa EDSA 3

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Dahil sa pagkawala ni Erap at hindi pagtulong ng militar, ang EDSA 3 ay parang nanghina sa kabila nang sila'y halos nasa dulo na ng kanilang landas. Ang natitirang mga pinuno ay kulang sa kaalaman at abilidad upang balakin at ipagpatuloy ang pakikibaka sa pamahalaan. Kung sila'y mapapaalis, parang naghalong bula lamang ang kanilang napasimulan at sila'y magiging katawa tawa sa mata ng mga elitista.

Subali't hindi ibig sabihin nito na natalo na ang masa, may darating pang eleksyon. Ang simbolo ni Erap ay dapat nilang itanim sa isip, ang ginawa ni Gloria sa araw na ito ay dapat nilang ikimkim sa kanilang mga puso upang lagi nilang makilala ang klase ng pagkatao niya. Hindi magtatagal aarestuhin ang mga taong naging pinuno ng EDSA 3 at sila'y mabibilang na rin sa mga aakusahan ng gobyerno katulad ni Erap at ng kanyang anak. Hindi pa man, marami nang maipapakulong itong si GMA samantalang malami ring makakalayang rebelde dahil sa pagkakasundo niya sa mga komunista.

Wala na si Erap at ang kanilang mga pinuno, ano naman kaya ang nasa kalooban at puso ng mga tao ngayon? Sila ba'y susuko na lamang o ipagpapatuloy ang kanilang protesta at gagamitin pa rin ang kanilang dami upang magapi ang mga sandatahang lakas ng gobyerno? Masakit tanggapin subalit ang kahinaan ng mga mahihirap ang nagiging kalaban nila. Makahanap kaya sila ng ibang paraan? Diyos lamang ang nakakaalam.

KaBiT10U

Villanueva orders military to disperse pro-Estrada crowd
Posted: 9:47 AM (Manila Time) | May 01, 2001
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ARMED Forces chief-of-staff Diomedio Villanueva has ordered for a complete dispersal of supporters of jailed former president Joseph Estrada in the Mendiola area.

Villanueva ordered contingents of the civil disturbance unit of the AFP to disperse the pro-Estrada crowd not later than 12 NN today. Rallyists who would not disperse will be apprehended, he said.

Several armed personnel carriers and hundreds of government troops are already stationed in front of the Malacañang gates and along Mendiola Street to enforce the order.



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What an ugly world this is

by Garfield-Moonace (no login)

Estrada loyalits willing to die for their idol...

JV asking his goons to punch anybody looking mestisa/mestiso..Have we become this uncivil ?



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Are those all your reasons for prouncing judgment on the entire planet?

by Feling (no login)

good grief!

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When you see the youth

by Garfield-Moonace (no login)

fighting for something they do not know even fully understand and seeing the faces of the policemen who try not to hurt them..yes...I am affected...

They are fighting for people who are in the comfort of their homes in exclusive villages....

not for the poor...

If you do not have children, you will not feel it...but if you have one or more...you will pity this youth who are misguided....by people with selfish motives...

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Where do you get off saying that these people do not understand

by Feling (no login)

the implications of what they are involved in? Have you acquired the gift of reading minds from watching images on TV? Many of those who were involved in EDSA 2 may not have fully comprehended the full implications of their actions then, in view of the events unfolding now which seems to have been underestimated to say the least or totally unexpected.

On the contrary, one could make a case for saying that the masses now realize it was a mistake for them not to have made a stronger stand then because they fell victim to the misinformation.

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We will not have meeting of minds

by Garfield-Moonace (no login)

I am not for violence at any form especially if the youth are involved...

It does not take one to be an Einstein not to know the difference between youth with idealism and youth who are just doing their thing for the fun of it...




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Definitely especially because I also detest hipocrisy

by Feling (no login)

I believe that idealism has no age boundaries and it is admirable to see it especially with the young people. I would always prefer non-violence to violence but do know that some things like liberty are worth fighting for and dying for. Peace at the price of liberty is just another name for slavery.

Unfortunate that the people like Cardinal Sin, Ramos, Cory and those at EDSA 2 should be the ones to take action that they know will result in violence.

I hope that when you get an opportunity to do so, you would speak your views to the ABB and those types of leaders.

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Masakit nga yan

by KaBiT10U (no login)

lalo na kung makikita natin ang mga batang lalaboy laboy sa lansangan araw araw at namamalimos doon sa mga nakasakay sa magagarang kotse na panay ang buga ng usok.

Araw araw ay may namamatay, mahirap man o mayaman. Kaya lang, hindi na makuhang tumanda ng mahirap dahil sa walang makain napipilitang magnakaw. Eto na ang pulis, nangangati ang daliri sa gatilyo ng baril.

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Masakit nga yan

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habang ang mga pulitikong ipinagtatanggol ay nagpalipat lipat sa kanilang mga mansion..habang sila ay napapaligiran ng kanilang bodyguards na suwelduhan ng mga taong nagbabayad ng buwis...

Naisip kaya ito ni JV habang siya ay halos di malibot ang kanilang mansion sa laki...

Tapos ang ipapain niya ay ang mga buhay ng mahihirap...

hindi ako masaya...

Life is unfair but who says it is ?

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Nagturo ka na naman

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Para bang ang sakit ng bayan ay ngayon lang nagsimula, hindi tama yan. Dapat nating kilalanin na ang namuno noong una ay nagkaroon din ng parte na mas malaki pa sa sumunod sa kanila. Hindi nagsimula sa 50 to 1 ang palitan ng piso kaya't diyan mo makikita ang dahilan kung bakit nasa ganitong katayuan ang bayan ngayon.

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EXTRA! EXTRA!

by Feling (no login)

8:40 a.m.

Ms Macapagal said Estrada signed a document "ending his leave of absence" and regain power.

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8:37 a.m.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo read a statement on air condemning all politicians allied to jailed ex-president Joseph Estrada for instigating the march to Malacanang. She hinted filing sedition charges against them.

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7:35 a.m.

Twenty Estrada supporters were arrested and detained at the Western Police District headquarters and are now undergoing interrogation.



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Who's got the Estrada document? His lawyers?

by Feling (no login)

I suppose this is his official way of saying to Macapagal: 'Step aside, I'm coming back!'

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But why would Macapagal make that announcement?

by Napanice (no login)

This is highly irregular since Estrada is able and coherent enough, I assume, to declare that himself. Was he coerced into signing a document by the police while in prison? What is the political implication here, that Macapagal will revert back to the role of VP now? Something stinks!

Napanice


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Just my take on it

by Feling (no login)

Remember that Estrada's lawyers went to see him earlier--Saguisag et al. Remember too that Estrada's defense has always been that he is only on leave, something he officially communicated to Congress, per the Constitution. This I believe is just being consistent with his position, as a foundation for legal arguments.

As to why Macapagal would say that on the air is something else. Just like no one understands why she had to disclose on national media that she co-plotted the ouster of Estrada a full year before EDSA 2. Something she didn't mull over as usual.

Had Estrada recorded an appeal to his followers to desist--that would have been obviously coerced.

However, you could be right. I am simply reacting to the obvious. Maybe this is another one of Fidel's ploys. Maybe they will make this as an excuse to do something else.

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If any

by Napanice (no login)

the game is far from over, the standoff between the people and the military continues and worse, the govt now plans to disperse the crowds at both EDSA and Malacanang. Although it's not that easy, there will be some who will actually leave and not return thus causing a dwindling of the crowd size, a dangerous trend if it continues.

The appropriate time for Erap to reclaim the palace is after Gloria steps down, not before. And here's the big catch, if his return to the presidency becomes official by his declaration and signature, the rule of ascendancy suddenly applies per the constitution.

And what are the valid reasons for replacing the president? You know the answers and one or more of them could be in the making.

Napanice


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Yup!

by Feling (no login)

the final option: vacancy resulting from the death of the occupant. Certainly but that still leaves the People and economic uncertainty. If Estrada dies for any reason, it would be similar to Ninoy Aquino's death which is only going to be the beginning of the end for someone.

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Nowhere near Ninoy

by Napanice (no login)

since he was not even in the chain of political power at that time. In this case, the Constitution stands and the people become powerless to demand any redress. As for the causes of demise, we know how easy it was to coverup Dacer's alleged murder. I pity the poor soul who has to come up and confess to it.

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I take it back

by Napanice (no login)

I almost forgot that we are Filipinos! Highly emotional and impatient. Of course the people will never accept Gloria's presidency no matter what. Will they revolt against her? Maybe, if the military finally come to their senses and take their side.

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As reported by CNN

by Feling (no login)

Estrada supporters attack palace

Estrada supporters have been protesting for six days

May 1, 2001
Web posted at: 7:47 HKT (0747 GMT)

MANILA, Philippines -- Two policemen have been killed as thousands of supporters of jailed former Filipino President Joseph Estrada marched on the presidential palace.

Presidential chief of staff Renato Corona told local radio that dozens more police had been injured as a crowd of up to 20,000 people attempted to storm the palace.

Estrada was forced from office in January and arrested on corruption charges last week -- since when his supporters have been demanding his release.

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Corona said it appeared one of the policemen had been killed by a dart fired from a slingshot.

Police fired shots and tear gas canisters at the crowd, who began marching after midnight Monday from a site of six days of protest nine miles from the presidential palace.

The protest came hours after an unsuccessful attempt by Estrada's supporters to grab power.

Estrada was arrested last Wednesday on charges of economic plunder. He denies any wrongdoing and was due in court for arraignment on June 27.

The crowd, including several separate groups of Estrada supporters, marched on the palace from several directions.

CNN producer Cathy Quiano said the situation was very tense, but added President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo had issued orders to security forces to exercise "maximum tolerance."

Several miles from the palace the crowd broke through an outer line of police by using a dump truck, the Associated Press news agency said.

Several marchers picked up shields dropped by fleeing officers and carried them.

Gunshots later rang out from a second line of officers, and again when the crowds reached the palace and tried to force their way into the fenced compound.

Several protesters tried to scale the palace gates, but were driven away, local radio said.

A military aide told the Reuters news agency that Arroyo was meeting Cabinet ministers inside the palace.

Arroyo, who took over from Estrada in January, earlier said the attempt on Sunday by Estrada's supporters to grab power had failed due to lack of support.

"Last night there was going to be a power grab but it fizzled out," Arroyo told a news conference.

She said she had rejected requests for talks from key supporters of Estrada.

"Everyone must understand that if one steps beyond the limits of lawful conduct, the government will have no recourse but to take all measures necessary to safeguard the public interest," Arroyo said.

"We are equally determined to use reasonable force to protect the national interests and the security of the state."

Estrada's son Jose "Jinggoy" is also charged with economic plunder, which is a capital offence in the Philippines.

Estrada's supporters have staged non-stop protests since he was arrested.

After spending time in a jail cell, Estrada has been undergoing medical tests at a hospital.

Some 500 Arroyo supporters earlier linked arms and sang a hymn during a candlelight prayer vigil near the palace before they were moved behind the riot police.

There was also the possibility of unrest later on Tuesday, when Labour Day rallies could put more than a million people on the streets.

Arroyo has vowed to permit peaceful protest and crack down hard on efforts to destabilise her government.



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The aces are dropping fast.

by Napanice (no login)

First the coup fizzles, then Estrada is spirited away. Then the threat of sedition against the leaders like Enrile and Honasan. With most of the head chopped off, there's only one thing left - the heart.

Napanice


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The heart is what's important

by Feling (no login)

Those so-called aces were johnny-come-lately's for their own reasons. The People are the real power.

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Two hearts

by Napanice (no login)

have stopped beating already. I cannot help but see more of them suffer the same fate, the pain is just excrutiating. This must be part of being born as a nation of conscientious citizens, the awareness that freedom, justice, and liberty come at a high price.

Napanice


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gma needs to declare martial law.

by dcr (no login)

as in the past, the role of the military needs to be defined, and more so now. declaring martial law will do that, as well as end the current strife. what is uncertain , in the cooled down landscape, is what prevails? but we need to reach that stage fast before our infrastructure is destroyed. if it is the current gma government, an estrada government or a military junta, so be it, but let it be clear where we need to go next. one destination we do not want to be at is anarchy - and this seems to be where this leaderless throng is heading for.



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Martial Law will lead to anarchy at this time.

by Feling (no login)

Anarchy is probably the only way to have responsible leaders. Our leaders today need to understand that irresponsibility or lack of concern for the majority of the people will lead to this sorry state of affairs. Martial Law? the country's been down that road before.

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The clock is ticking

by Napanice (no login)

The goal as I've read it more than once is not to sow anarchy but to restore the trampled framework of our government, democracy, and the constitution.

Napanice


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Untitled

by PW (no login)

Our freedom is the product of countless episodes. Though we enjoy it right now, but no one event has marked its victory because of so many good deeds were lost and evil has been retained.
And to make it more clear...the liberty of man will here after be closely linked with the hunger of another unless words comes out from the depth of truth. So, let it be done...

Hi Nap!

PW

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Hi PW! What brings you back, nice to see you here.

by Napanice (no login)

Blood, sweat and tears and countless lives make up what we call freedom and to take it for granted only means there will be a time for reckoning when someone tries to take it away.

How are you doing, long time no see. I still remember the good old days when we were constantly exchanging jokes and meaningful words. Stick around please.

Napanice



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O ayan na lumabas na siya, hinahanap mo kasi siya sa akin.

by Paks (no login)

Malapit na namang makumpleto ang grupo. Pro teka, nasaan ba si Red Angel at Coel? Para silang naglahong bula.

Oy, pa "wink", "wink" pa siya a. Hmmmmppp...baka naman sabihin mo na napuwing ka lang, ha!ha!ha!ha!

Hindi na po ako makikialam, pangako iyan.

Paks lang po.


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Paks! Did you mastermind this reunion of veterans?

by Napanice (no login)

Yes, I must admit that I asked you where she was. Old familiar and friendly faces are hard to forget. Let's see, does that mean you will also be here more than once a year? Hehehe.

Hopefully, there will be cause for a celebration in the name of democracy for our country.

KaBiT10U


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Anong mastermind, hindi, oy, asungotmind kamo.

by Paks (no login)

I'll try my very best to post more often. Sabi ko nga sa iyo na kailangan kong magtrabaho para may pambayad ng utang.

Yes, celebration is in order.

Paks


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How about an honest-to-goodness-powow on Dec 30?

by Feling (no login)

here in L.A.

Posted on Apr 30, 2001, 3:16 PM
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Ate, I like the idea but....

by Paks (no login)

I'm going back to the Phils right after Christmas. Pero okay iyang naisip mo.

Can you be the chairperson for this worthwhile event??

Paks


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Malabo ang paningin ko, Worldwide ba kamo?

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Baka dumating ang Mammoth Crowd sa bahay ni Feling, sige ka. Har har har!

KaBiT10U

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Grrrrrr!! UUWI AKO!

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Para kamayan si Gloria? Hehehe. Pero magkikita pa rin tayo, pangako ko yan.

KaBiT10U


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HOY PAKS!!!

by PW (no login)

Di ko mapigilang di lumabas! Naantig ang aking damdamin sa nangyayari sa atin. Ang puso ko ay nadoon sa mga taong nasa Edsa ngayon. I'll give my full support to them. sana walang maraming dugong dadaloy.

Musta na ang buhay mayaman hahahaha! penge ng pambili ng candy! PW

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Naanting ang iyong damdamin at ang puso mo ay nakanino????

by Paks (no login)

Ha!ha!ha!ha!ha! Sana walang maraming luhang dadaloy???

Buhay mayaman, sino ako??? Ikaw naman talaga ito nga hirap na hirap sa paghahanap buhay, paghahanap patay na yata itong ginagawa ko e. Pambili ng candy? Hindi mo na kailangan ng candy dahil masyado ka ng sweet, kahit tanungin mo si Nap. ha!haaha!ha

Sige na, taman na nga ang aking pakikialam sa inyo baka mabulyawan pa ako.

Paks

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HOY!

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Hindi ka pa nakakabayad sa iba mong utang, gagawa ka na naman ng panibago. Har har har!

Sige lang, gusto ko yan dre.

KaBiT10U


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I am here, Paks

by CoeL (no login)

only I am busy earning a living. I took off a couple of days. Besides NAP, KABiT, Feling and Moonyeen have covered very thoroughly by their comments and analysis all issues regarding what is happening in Manila. There is this guy too, MAWI.

Now that PW is back NAP will be busy. Keep on going Kamag-aral!

Sometimes it is nicer to be just a bystander and let the world go by. Have you seen Pareng JeK?

I am going home! Good night.

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Not so fast, Kamag-aral.

by Napanice (no login)

Your contributions have been lean and mean lately, understandable under the hectic pressure of work. These are special times, milestones in fact, for our country so may I request your special presence here in increasing frequencies than normal? Just kidding, I know you'll accept.

Napanice


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The clock is ticking

by Napanice (no login)

The goal as I've read it more than once is not to sow anarchy but to restore the trampled framework of our government, democracy, and the constitution.

Napanice


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Violence is the prize

by MAWI (no login)

for ignoring the constitution.

Unfortunately, it is the poor and the inocent who will suffer most. Thanks to the Makati rich, to Jaime Sin, Ramos, cory and the like.

May God forgive us all!!!!

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Will Sin display a sense of MORAL ASCENDANCY at this time?

by Napanice (no login)

By talking some sense into someone's head? He started the snowball effect, and it is now a monster staring at his face. Why can't he show himself now, being the accepted leader of his flock and do something religious for a change?

Napanice


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I think that Sin et al, are having to redefine a lot of things.

by Feling (no login)

I'm sorry that he had to find out this way, how little influence he really had on the majority of the flock.

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Surely the Vatican has not missed a beat

by Napanice (no login)

The news of the recent event should be eye-opener to the Holy See, it confirms the reason for the dwindling faithful attending mass. Ironically, Sin may have to beg for contributions from the devil himself to meet the quota for Rome.

Napanice


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He has said he would accept money from the devil himself

by Feling (no login)

as reported during EDSA 2. He has been quiet for a couple of days now. I wonder if the Vatican finally spelled it out for him. He didn't seem to quite get it when his diocese was split up into five even when it was reported that it was the Vatican's way of clipping his wings. Unless he has some other way of making up for the financial shortfall from all those disaffected parishioners, he better learn to stay out of politics.

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Granted that Edsa 3 is a success... then what is next... Edsa 4????

by Paks (no login)

When do we say, enoung is enough. Will the country be liken to a restless sea??? Wherein the "tides of distruction" keeps pounding its shores???

Did Edsa-I set a very bad presedence to the Filipino people? Is EDSA becoming to be the ticket to unseat individuals in the government whose ideology and principles are not to their liking or is it perhaps a quick way to resolve political issues???

Aba e wala ng katapusan ire, baka umabot pa ng EDSA-100.

Paks


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Madali lang 'yan Paks--Palitan ang pangalan

by Feling (no login)

Ilipat ang seat of government sa Subic Bay and maybe have leaders who will have the awareness of what happens when you don't do anything to alleviate the plight of the masses. Give them the opportunity to get up to the middle class. Maybe if the religious leaders resume preaching love for one another instead of partisan politics.

But I'm afraid this will happen over and over again for as long as the lessons have not been learned.

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Hello Ate Feling!!! Good to see you again!!

by Paks (no login)

Ano ang ipapalit nating pangalan sa Edsa??? Middle class is almost non-existence in our country. You are either very rich or very poor, kumakain ng litson or kumakain ng daing, wala ng kumakain ng gulay.

Kailan matututo ang sambayanang Pilipino???

Paks


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Hail! Hail! The Gang's (almost) all here!

by Feling (no login)

Good to see you around too. Perhaps after these sad events, the people (I mean the majority of the people) would start thinking in earnest as to what can be done for the country. Only when the majority feel that they have a real vested interest in making things better for everyone will we see some improvement. We'll have to wait until after the dust settles.

Si Yenyeen ang gawin mong chairperson. She has the knack of bugging people to do things. She certainly got me posting again.

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What a rush!

by Napanice (no login)

And this is literally what's going on at the gates of Malacanang, people banging ang trying to tear it down. Gloria is under siege right now, still holding on to her chair or maybe the bedpost. It's only a matter of time, the people are very patient since the can smell victory at hand.

Napanice


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Better place than EDSA

by MAWI (no login)

Walang mangyayari doon. Puro talumpati at palakpakan. Dito sa Mendiola, abot ang leeg ni Gloria!

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Yeah, they can start EDSA 4 there now.

by Napanice (no login)

I think Joker Arroyo wouldn't mind taking a shot at Malacanang, or even Nani Perez. Disierto? Nah!

Singson, he's the man and the hero at EDSA 2. He's next in line.

Napanice


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As Estrada himself said 'EDSA 2 was a bad precedent'

by Napanice (no login)

Because it justifies replacing any elected official through the so-called 'mob rule'. In fact the other side is now using 'mob' to describe the PP 3.

The leaders themselves must put an end to this crazy ideas, otherwise we may have to create a special annual 'MOB WEEK' event just for this purpose.

Napanice


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Ito ang resulta ng mga panakot ng mga militanteng alipores ni Gloria

by MAWI (no login)

Mayayabang sila masyado. Akala nila, sila lang ang matapang. Hala, bira!!!!

Habang hindi pa naituturok yong pamatay na karayom kay Erap, sugod naaaaaa!!!

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ADDL UPDATE

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7:00 a.m.

Water cannons fail to dampen the spirits of the Estrada supporters who continue to lay siege on Malacañang. Tear gas and warning shots temporarily drive them away, but they flock around the gates of the palace again a bit later.

An ambulance is seen going toward Gate 7 as reports of some injured pro-Estrada circulate.

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6:55 a.m.

GMA-7 reports that former president Estrada and his son and co-accused Jinggoy are now detained at Fort Sto. Domingo in Sta. Rosa, Laguna. The two were airlifted via helicopter at around 6 a.m. from the Veterans Memorial Medical Center in Quezon City.



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Nothing will dampen their fighting spirit now.

by Napanice (no login)

The whole country is at a standstill, GMA cannot afford to continue another day knowing that the peso will be hammered so terribly that even MBC will shudder at the thought of an extended stalemate.

Napanice


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Water cannon is far from being a solution

by MAWI (no login)

It will just temporarily stop the people from advancing. Payatas people are used to work rain or shine....

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It's better than a hot bullet

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I'll take a dump of nice cool water any day. Hey, is this the same yellow water they collected at the EDSA shrine?

Napanice


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If nothing else, EDSA 3 proves EDSA2 was not representative of THE PEOPLE

by Feling (no login)

duh!

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Make that two

by Napanice (no login)

duh! duh!

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TIME FOR GLORIA'S DECISION - THE SITUATION IS EXTREMELY VOLATILE

by Napanice (no login)

The mammoth crowd will not be denied their wish, signs of violence will make the situation worse unless GMA abdicates.

Napanice


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Estrada airlifted to Sta. Rosa-GMA 7 reports

by Feling (no login)

Thanks for that site for updates. It shouldn't take long to see how the masa will react to this.

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Knock, knock. Who's there?

by Napanice (no login)

Still out of touch with reality, I presume. Everything looks normal from the outside and business is on as usual. A typical ploy to hide the reeking mess about to knock at the gates. Is a woman more prone to violence than a man? Your call.

Napanice


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I think, Yes.

by Feling (no login)

They just get the menfolk to do it for them.

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Yuk!

by Napanice (no login)

Then the AFP should recruit more females in their ranks. The US is doing it, maybe for the same reason you mentioned.

Napanice


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For the Philippines

by Feling (no login)

Putting women's lives on the line might be an alternative population control measure except of course if their defensive policy becomes: 'make love not war.'

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A level playing field

by Napanice (no login)

That's the problem with the famous 'Love thy enemy' phrase from the church, not all enemies will return the favor. When women join the military ranks, this concept will be totally wiped out since the doctrine of protecting the country at all costs is the top priority there. War is inevitable sometimes and the US and even Israel has proven that they can be just as good or even better than their male comrades.

This will also raise the level of women in Philippine society since most troopers are recruited from the lower class citizens. Country first, then babies next.

Napanice


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I do too

by PW (Login nap)

but  it remains to be seen because those men in uniform don't always demonstrate that the answer of a bad command is a good one especially if the result is fatal to society. hello Feling, glad to see you!!! Your comment is always worth reading.

PW



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Mistakes will be made

by Napanice (no login)

So you're for violence too? Hehehe, just joking. I guess we will see this violent streak proven in Gloria soon. Life is full of mistakes, and when a mistake is committed that harms society as a whole, then the payment is very dear indeed since everyone is affected, not just the person who committed it.

Napanice


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Glad to see you again! See how much you've been missed?

by Feling (no login)

Part of me wants to be at Mendiola Bridge right now, but most of me have to contend with realities of staying put.

Hope you don't absent yourself again for too long.

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Practice your baseball pitch from now on

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Expertise in throwing a curb ball may come in handy one of these days.

Napanice


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In times of civil war, passionate love still arise...

by Moonyeen (no login)

Between Napanice and Prettywoman. Bowowowowowow...prettynice huh!

Ano na ang nangyayari. Damit....daming trabaho dito sa opis.


MY

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Nag-Kupido ka na naman. Hak hak hak!

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Patamaan mo na lang ng palaso mo Gloria para ma inlove siya sa mga mahihirap oy!

KaBiT10U


Posted on Apr 30, 2001, 3:50 PM
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hahaha! mabuti pa!

by PW (Login nap)

matagal na akong natamaan Yeen oy! si Gloria na naman, matigas pa sa bato ang puso! ngek! PW



Posted on Apr 30, 2001, 4:04 PM
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Hahaha! Ang suwerte naman nung tao Magandang Binibini

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Inggit na talaga ako, sana'y ibaling mo sa akin ang iyong tingin kahit na pasulyap lamang. Nakangiti ako ngayon dito baka akala mo.

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Posted on Apr 30, 2001, 4:08 PM
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Di ba...

by PW (Login nap)

sa iyo naman iyon  mula mula pahh...hu..hu..uhu..uhhh..forgive me, medyo dumadaloy na ang luha...hehehe..hindi yata nagkamali si Paks.

Pustahan tayo, tatawag iyon dito hehehe...kriiiiiinggg!!!!

 

so, rea---lly nakangiti ka pala ha? hmmm..i wonder



Posted on Apr 30, 2001, 4:19 PM
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Hindi na biro yan ha?

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Baka pati ako'y madala sa tamis ng iyong mga salita. Sus, medyo malambot pa naman itong puso ko. Hehehe.

Nakangiti oy! Masayang masaya at parang walang problema sa buhay.

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Posted on Apr 30, 2001, 4:44 PM
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Balik sa Mendiola, uy!!

by MAWI (no login)

Bago kayo mapunta sa Luneta! Hintayin naman ninyong dumilin ng kunti para mas romantic... hehehe

Posted on Apr 30, 2001, 4:20 PM
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Saan? Hehehe

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Mukhang naligaw na nga kami ng Magandang Binibini. Iyan ang hirap sa pagibig, bulag daw at hindi makita ang pupuntahan. Hak hak hak!

Sige balik, pero bibili muna ako ng balut! Sarap!

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Posted on Apr 30, 2001, 4:49 PM
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Nakidnap si Erap...

by MAWI (no login)

Estrada moved to
Sta Rosa, Laguna
Posted: 6:01 AM (Manila Time) | May 01, 2001
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FALLEN president Joseph Estrada has been brought to his new detention center in the Special Action Forces training center in Sta. Rosa, Laguna.

Radio and television reports, quoting Estrada lawyers and witnesses, said that Estrada has been moved out of the Veterans Memorial Medical Center in Quezon City where he had been staying for a medical check-up.

Estrada was reportedly airlifted from the hospital shortly before the ex-president’s supporters occupied Mendiola Bridge and clashed with the police and the military forces guarding the palace.



Posted on Apr 30, 2001, 3:56 PM
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Galing talaga ni Psy-War!

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Kito mo, sukat na sukat ng militar ang paglipat sa kanya. Habang busy ang mammoth sa Mendiola, doon naman nila biglang itinakas ang tao. Pero kung inaasahan nilang may pagbabagong mangyayari sa Malakanyang, e wala silang mapapala. Hindi na parte si Erap sa mga susunod na magaganap ngayon, maaring pagkatapos na lamang.

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Posted on Apr 30, 2001, 4:06 PM
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Pakunwari pa sila

by MAWI (no login)

na idadaan sa korte kung saan ikukulong itong si Erap.

Noong ginawa nila yong kulongan na iyon sa Sta Rosa, para ano sana kung hindi kay Erap? Bakit ngayong lang sila gumawa ng ganoon kulongan?

Switik talaga ang mga ito. Dapat sila talagang mapaalis sa Malakanyang! Sana nga ay magtatagumpay ang mga mahihirap at doon ikukulong si Tabako!

Posted on Apr 30, 2001, 4:16 PM
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Si Gloria at si Tabako

by PW (Login nap)

sa loob ng selda  o di kaya ibartolena na!!!! dapat lang..maiitim ang mga puso!!anak nila ay siguradong demonyang lima ang sungay!

PW



Posted on Apr 30, 2001, 4:23 PM
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Pasamahin silang tatlo doon sa mansion ni Sin. Hehehe.

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Araw araw silang magrorosaryo sa harap ng camera ng ABS-CBN at Inquirer.

KaBiT10U


Posted on Apr 30, 2001, 4:47 PM
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Napagod yata si Kabit na mag-update... Heto:

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One policeman dead,
scores injured in clashes
Posted: 6:19 AM (Manila Time) | May 01, 2001
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ONE POLICEMAN was confirmed dead while scores were injured following the move by supporters of former president Joseph Estrada to march towards Malacañang Palace.

Presidential chief of staff Renato Corona said they were also verifying a report that another policeman was injured or had died after clashes between the anti-riot police and the Estrada loyalists.

A radio report also said that at least two people were hit with gunfire as the military defended Malacañang from the mob which was threatening to overrun the palace gates.



Posted on Apr 30, 2001, 3:54 PM
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Kaibigang Mawi, Ito na nga ba ang lubos kong ikinatatakot...

by Paks (no login)

ang pagdaloy ng dugo ng ating kapuwa Pilipino.

Napakalungkot pagmasdan ang unti-unting paglalaho ng espirito ng Edsa-I. Isang napakalaking hakbang ang nangyari noon sa Edsa-I patungo sa pagtatatag ng demokrasya. Pero mukhang nawalang parang bula ang mga magagandang bagay na ipinaglaban ng Edsa-I.

Mas dadanak yata ng mas maraming dugo ngayon kesa sa Edsa-I. Huwag sanang magka-totoo ang aking sapantaha.

Gaya ng tanong ni Ate Feling: Kailan kaya matututo ang mga Pilipino???

Paks


Posted on Apr 30, 2001, 4:19 PM
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Pudpod na ang daliri ko! Kayo naman oy! Har har har!

by KaBiT10U (no login)

Hilong hilo na nga ako kanina pa sa kaka-update e, ang lakas pa nang lagabog ng puso ko dahil para bang kitang kita ko ang mga pangyayari, parang naroon na rin ako habang binabasa ko ang balita. Sus!

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