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April 9 2007 at 12:30 PM
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According to the latest reports, a team called Jean's Beans captured the 2007 edition of the BIMFC All-Native Hockey Tournament, aka the Native Stanley Cup, held this past weekend in North Battleford. Jean's Beans beat the Prince Albert MIAs in the championship final. From what I heard the "eligibility" rule was a sham. The organizer of the winning team (and coincidently was reported as one of the tournament organizers) handed out Metis cards to its non-Aboriginal players (who are said to be players from the U of S Huskies team). This was confirmed by a non-Aboriginal player who was scratched off the Jeans Beans roster, as they already had enough players. This player ended up playing for the PA MIAs. The catch of the "eligibility" rule was the fact protests could only be for each individual player in the amount of $2,000.00 which was non-refundable and for which the protest had to be during the game. According to sources that would have meant, $24,000.00 would have to be forked over to protest 12 of Jean's Beans ineligible players. You were able to "question" a players eligibility but required $2,000.00 in cash for an actual protest. This is very impractical, unfair and simply doesn't make any sense. This brings new meaning to "winning at all costs". As well, the "first-roster-is-the-final-roster" rule was never followed throughout the tournament. I have confirmed reports that at least one team was adding players during the tournament but I wouldn't be suprised if others did so as well. Above all, this scenerio paints an ugly picture for one of the premiere hockey tournaments in all of Canada and puts into question the credibility of the organizing committee. Apparently the calibre of hockey was great, but the tournament rules and officiating is in dire need of improvement.

 
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April 10 2007, 8:46 AM 

My team finished third at the event and we felt cheated in the game against Jean's Beans. This was he last tournament that i looked forward in attending even if it was a fan. There were at least 12 Native players sitting out because of the 12 "non-native" players that were playing for Beans. The beans players were all at BP laughing it up after the tournament. I beleive that we should take the rosters to the Metis' and if the players in question don't have cards, the committe should take the title away and give it to pAMIA. We travelled 14 hours and we're looking forward to playing against other native teams and we did for the most part but when we had to face the eventual "Champions" that had numerous non-natives and as a team we were lost and it had a mental affect. I won't be going back to Battleford until they change the elegability rules and the Committee.
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November 7 2007, 7:28 AM 

are u saying the pamia's had a white person on there team i think you should suck it up and quit crying your team took third it wasn't that good

 
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November 10 2007, 4:07 PM 

Darren Delaney Was On That Team And He's A White Guy So Is Mitch Woods So I woudln't Be Talking

 
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woods?

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March 13 2008, 8:56 AM 

mitch woods is a metis one of his parents are from muskeg lake sask

 
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Re: Native Stanley Cup Comments

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April 10 2007, 9:42 AM 

Hey Kevin & Sheldon,

Too bad to hear about this tourney.

I think the idea of a $2,000 protest bond is absolutely ludicrous. There is no way that a protest bond should be higher than the actual entry fee.

It sounds like the tourney organizer is totally in a conflict of interest. How you can organize a tourney and still have a team entered is beyond me?

I've said it numerous times and I'll say it again. There is a need for a national database for Aboriginal players and an even bigger need to have these tourneys sanctioned. Poor Harley out here in PG had to concel his tourney yet again, due to many reasons, but one being rising insurance costs.

You see Hockey Canada insyres its own players. They did this after the Mel Unrah case of 1993 in which Mel Unrah sued BCAHA and Hockey Canada for quite a bit of $$$$ and then settled out of court. After that, no insurance company would insure hockey and there were over 150 companies they solicited. Eventually Hockey Canada formed its own insurance company that insures sanctioned events.

Aboriginal hockey has a long way to go towards being sanctioned, but perhaps we should really make a go of it, and then be able to run tourneys that are actually fair. Never been to Battleford, and I don't intend to in the near future after hearing about this BS!

 
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April 10 2007, 9:45 AM 

battleford tournament is just getting worse year after year, there is to much cheating going on, the poster is says "ALL NATIVE" i guess some people don't know what that means.

 
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April 10 2007, 1:01 PM 

The Battleford Senior Tourney was a sham. I too was at the tourney and took no pleasure in watching our non-natives brothers playing against our Aboriginal Brothers. If i wanted to watch the U of A Huskies i would have went to a U Of Alberta game to watch them. I guess the only option is to have a huge tourney somewhere else with the same money and a committee that is committed to keeping our teams in line at the same time as Battleford's tourney?????Are you up for that Big Guy?? Lets start talking about it.

 
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April 10 2007, 2:14 PM 

I would love to host one here in Pg that same weekend but the prairie teams say that its too far. I'm planning on hosting one next spring at the Prince George Coliseum (like the good old days) with a Legends Divison and a Mens Open Divison
Legends Divison - $700/Entry Fee 1st Place 5,000 2nd Place 3,000 3rd Place 1,000
Mens Open - $900/Entry Fee 1st Place $15,000 2nd Place 8,000 3rd Place 5,000 4th Place 2,500

The Treasure Copve Casino, Prince George Spruce Kings, Budweiser, Roadhouse Cabaret, Several Hotel are "on-board" for the event. If you are interested please email me and I will work hard on the event from this day on!!!!!!
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October 19 2007, 11:43 AM 

you ever need help with any of the tournaments, let me know ...I can volunteer, used to work for Clyde Goodswimmer in E-town, All Native Provincials, few years in a row...
gate, merchandise, security!
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April 11 2007, 9:10 AM 

I agree, we should start another tourney. Eg. North Battleford on another wkend in April 2007 next year. Also, someone should consider sueing the NBMFC, Bd members and the organizers personally for FRUAD. ISN't this the same Metis Local that was issuing " Fake Metis Cards" in the last Metis election which resulted in Fraud charges and the Election being ruled nul.

 
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Hockey not politics

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March 26 2008, 2:08 PM 

First of all BIMFC has nothing to do with the Metis elections. We are talking about hockey here people

 
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November 7 2007, 12:16 PM 

what you people lack to relize that metis are aloud to play in that turny to

 
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NB HOCKEY TOURNAMENT

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April 1 2011, 11:27 AM 

I HAVE BEEN ATTENDING AND PLAYING AT THESE TOURNAMENT FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS. IF IT HAD CHANGE YES! PLAYERS ARE GETTING BETTER. I CONGRATULATE THE ORGANIZERS FOR THE EVENT.

WITH THE LAST FEW YEARS I HAVE SEEN A DROP IN PEOPLE ATTENDING THE EVENT. WHATS THE REASON I AM NOT SURE?

BUT WHAT I CAN TELL U IS THAT THE TOURNAMENT WAS SET UP MANY YEARS AGO TO PROMOTE ABORIGINAL HOCKEY AT ITS FINEST!!! THAT WAS THE VISION OF THE ELDERS TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER TO THIS EVENT. ESPECIALLY AT THAT TIME WHEN ABORIGINAL PEOPLE WERE BEEN DISCRIMINIZED.

BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED!! IF U ASK ME IF IT SHOULD BE AN ALL NATIVE EVENT? YES IT SHOULD BE? SIMPLY BECAUSE MANY YOUNG ABORIGINAL PLAYERS HAVE AN DISADVANGE IN GETTING THE SUPPORT THEY NEED. THIS EVENT PROMOTES ABORIGINAL HOCKEY PLAYERS FROM ALL ACROSS CANADA. MAYBE ONE DAY THIS WILL BE A NATIONAL EVENT AND BE TELEVISED ACROSS THIS GREAT COUNTRY OF OURS.

SO FOLKS KEEP ATTENDING THE EVENT! LETS KEEP THE TRADITIONAL ALIVE!!!

 
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April 10 2007, 2:39 PM 

the final was not good game at all, who wants to watch a bunch of white boys play in a all native tourney, the game before that between Beardy's and Saddle Lake was better because both teams had no white boys and it was good to see our native brothers can play the game to, although they were playing for fifth they showed alot of pride and played for the love of the game and gave us fans a good show.

 
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aboriginal hockey

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April 10 2007, 11:34 PM 

l've played in this tournament for years and have enjoyed the hockey .l too was disappointed in the tournament and feel that we will lose teams if this continues.we need to keep the tradition alive in north battleford and keep playing.l like the idea of a data base for aboriginal players in canada.l'm planning to write to the bd. of directors of nb friendship centre to express my concerns.keep in touch

 
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NBIMFC Board of Directors

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April 11 2007, 6:50 AM 

Louis, maybe in your letter to the NBIMFC board of directors include the comments about the tournament in this forum by simply printing them off or cutting and pasting into your letter. Better yet maybe we should start an online complaint or petition, send it to all our contacts to add their name to the list, ask them to send it to their contacts to have them add their name to the list, once a couple hundred names are on there, then submit it to the board of directors. I think the message will be loud and clear for the board to take some action to correct any organizing flaws.

 
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May 21 2007, 2:08 PM 

Wow I can't believe you would say that! are you suggesting that our native brothers arn't as good as white players? we would be cryind to if they held a all white tourney so come on guys hold your heads up high!

 
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April 11 2007, 9:26 AM 

Hey Fellows,

Sounds like some good ideas happening. I know part of the reason PG got to be such a great place to hold a tourney and then ultimately killed that yourney, is the venue. PG charges too much for their ice time. I think they charge about $155/hr if you charge at the gate, while non-profit gets the ice for half the price.

Seeing the action for Native hockey seems to be in BC and Sask., why not split the difference and see if a team from Alberta could host? Doesn't Saddle Lake have its own rink? What about Horse Lake? You could possibly cut a deal with them and split the costs on insurance. I know even sleepy little Valemount BC, which has a ton of hotels, sells their ice for $22/hr.

Just some food for thought.

By the way Sheldon, I still have the program from that first PG tourney way back in 1985. I'd be willing to part with it for the right price

Those verbal agreements aren't worth the paper they're written on-Yogi Berra

 
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non native stanley cup

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April 11 2007, 3:16 PM 

I agree with all my native and metis bro's that the tournament was a sham and you're right that the Mr. Bean team was non-native. The player's from visiting teams were the one's that really got the shaft from the organizer's. Same with the fans, I heard the fans' displeasure and that they should voice their disapproval, most likely to local newspaper's. shame to the organizer's for their disrespect and dishonorship to the major event and of course they wouldn't care less anyway. Never know, maybe they even walked away with a huge wad of cash from the gate. wouldn't doubt it. BIMFC better really take a good look at their employee's and see if their is any pride at all with themselves.

 
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North Batleford Tourney

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April 13 2007, 4:22 PM 

I was one of many people who attend North Battleford INDIAN and METIS Friendship Center tourney last weekend. I arrived Friday night and immediately hear about "Jeans Beans" team. One of my friends was telling me how stacked this team was. I asked him what he meant by stacked. He stated he had heard they had several players from the University of Sask. hockey team. My immediated thought was one or two players. On Sunday afternoon I heard as many as six.

I've been playing in this tourney for some 30 years and every year you hear about one or two "illegal" players playing. Now to hear as many a six makes one wonder about the intergrity of the tourney or NATIVE hockey for that matter. This use to be one of the best gathering in Western Canada.

One has to wonder how 5-6 people can instantly become Metis. In a time when the Metis Nation has worked so hard to obtain hunting and fishing rights, why does one local risk there creditibility to issue these cards to Non Metis people?

At what cost must we win? who is the organizer of Jeans Beans? What is jeans Beans? How does a total unknown enter the native circle of hockey?

The N.B.I.M.F.C. should sit down and take a good hard look a what has just happened. Is it worth losing a tradition that many poeple look forward to each year? As somebody else had mentioned the crowds were down on Sunday. What could be the reason for this?

I'm playing in a tourney on Enoch First Nation this weekend and the first thing I heard was N.B.I.M.F.C. was willing to pay $10,000 to each of the 2nd to 5th place teams to be quite. This is what I call hush money. This does not stop the bleeding.

The only way this is going to stop is for the true Indian and Metis people to stand up and say this is unacceptable. I think a meeting of team reps should be had on Thursday night or first thing Friday morning.

One more thing, who has ever heard of a $2000 protest fee? How can afford this other then Jeans Beans??????

 
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Re: North Batleford Tourney

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October 2 2007, 11:00 AM 

Maybe a new committe can approch the Casino, City of Battleford, Hotel owners and create a new tournament and if any profits are made, they can be donated to some Native organization that will monitor and pay for diadvantaged kid's hockey registration.

 
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Native Stanley Cup Comments

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October 4 2007, 10:34 AM 

Well I made the choice to send the comments posted on this page (in regards to the Native Stanley Cup)to the Board of Directors for Battlefords Indian Metis Friendship Centre, maybe they may make some improvements on the "player eligibility" and "protest fee" rules, only time will tell...

 
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Rumour verified

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October 19 2007, 10:36 PM 

I heard a rumour the last couple of weeks that the tournament organizers of the BIMFC All-Native Hockey Tournament were being sued in regards to the tournament player eligibility rules. Today the rumour was verified. That's all I'll say, I agreed not to disclose any names. Apparently some team coaches and managers got together and were all in favour of this action.

 
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Re: Rumour verified

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October 24 2007, 10:22 AM 

I think that someone should take take over the tournament, all the BMFC does is take in all of the gate money and sponsorship money which the tournament produces. Do they have a youth hockey program in place? The always have someone different running the tournament as well and the same mistakes are made with different coordinators. Please someone step-up, Maybe Sheldon Wutnee should take over as hosts of the tournament, he's a hockey guy and has some "pull" in Sask' politics.

 
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October 29 2007, 9:15 AM 

I know that the rink is booked for Edmonton(River Cree)and some of the better teams from Saskatchewan are having thoughts of attending the tournament instead of Battleford. If this happens teh Battleford tournament is done!

 
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Re: North Batleford Tourney

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November 7 2007, 7:13 AM 

anyone could afford the protest fee if they didnt pay there players so much like prince goerge did and there team wasnt that good i was very happy how the north battleford turny went

 
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November 7 2007, 8:54 AM 

You must be on the committee! LOL

 
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Paying Players

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November 7 2007, 2:25 PM 

There's no one getting rich playing this game unless your playing in the NHL. The protest fee that was at this tournament is way out of wack, the Jean's Beans team must have had an inside on the tournament committe because they knew that they would be using Native guys. If we knew they were accepting Ceral Box Metis cards we could have blew everyone out the water!

 
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Re: Paying Players

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November 8 2007, 8:59 AM 

Saddl Lake must have spent a ****-load, I know Shawn(turnstile) Breaker and Dallas Jackson ask for $ up front(they never win it for the team) and Mirasty must have cost something as well.

 
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Re: Paying Players

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November 20 2007, 7:07 AM 

mirasity cost 1500 that is why teams like sattle lake and princegoerge are crying so much they spent all this money on players and didnt win it suck it up boys

 
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Re: Paying Players

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November 20 2007, 9:39 AM 

If Prince George and Saddle Lake didn't attend the tournament there would have been other teams that would have paid the players. Tell me one team that didn't pay anybody! The Saskatchewan teams never leave their province so i guess we will never see how they stack up against teams from Alberta, Manitoba, Ontario and even BC.
Jean's Beans and the committee (both the same) are a joke, I know several teams aren't going back.

 
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Re: Paying Players

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November 20 2007, 10:05 AM 

I say that Teams from outta province should just BOYCOTT BATTLEFORD TOURNIE, somebody needs to start one at the River Cree Casino.

 
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Alberta Tournament

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November 21 2007, 4:34 PM 

There's a group looking into hosting a tournament the same time as Battleford and between an Oil company and the River Cree Casino would sponsor the event. I hope things will transpire and we can put J.Kennedy and her committe out of buisness.

 
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Re: Paying Players

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November 27 2007, 11:58 AM 

ill take my tean to any of your turnys we will spank you just like we did in north battleford

 
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Jeans Beans

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November 27 2007, 12:19 PM 

Will the other tournaments accept the "Ceral Box" Metis' cards?

 
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Re: Jeans Beans

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November 27 2007, 4:18 PM 

Jeans Beans come to Kamloops we will kick your ass!!!

 
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November 27 2007, 5:01 PM 

I hope Jeans Beans comes to Kamloops but i haven't seen Saskatchewan teams outside of Saskatchewan in years since Dog Lake or Meadow Lake in the 90's.

 
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Re: Jeans Beans

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November 28 2007, 7:02 AM 

when is kamloops turny we will come there and show every one and if we lose we wont cry like the rest of you guys

 
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Fat chance

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November 28 2007, 12:35 PM 

Come on Jeans Beans, do you even know where Kamloops is? Sask teams never leave and for good reason. I don't ever recall a Sask team winning anything outside of Sask. By the way Jan 11-13/07 is the Kamloops Tournament, so i guess if you guy's have any balls like you say you do, we'll see you there. Don't worry when and if you do come to B.C, it's ok when you leave with your tail's between your legs, because that's what rat's look like.

 
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November 29 2007, 6:15 AM 

I hear Don Burnsticks Redskins might be going to Kamloops, if they do it should be a good Tourney

 
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Re: Fat chance

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November 29 2007, 11:48 PM 

Yes it is confirmed The Redskins will be attending the Kamloops Tournament, Don Burnstick will be doing a show Sat Jan 12 2008 in Kamloops

 
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Thought of the Day

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December 26 2007, 11:07 AM 

Here's my thought of the day:
I read with interest the statement, "Yes it is confirmed The Redskins will be attending the Kamloops Tournament, Don Burnstick will be doing a show Sat Jan 12 2008 in Kamloops" then the next post reads that he cancelled his show and took his Redskins team out of the tournament. As any tournament organizer knows, the only time any team is 'guaranteed' to come and play is when the entry fee is paid in advance, in part or full. There are a few guys running teams who, when they say they'll show for a tournament, they do, and they are good for their word, some make verbal commitments but back out in the end and they have a list of reasons why things didn't work out, others you have to just have to take with a grain of salt! In any event, it looks like a good line-up of teams intending on going to Kamloops from whats being listed. I wish them all the success in hosting their annual tournament.







 
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Re: Fat chance

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December 25 2007, 6:57 PM 

he cancelled his show and tournament team from entering I guess he is afraid to get beat in BC

 
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November 29 2007, 7:15 AM 

are you saying kamloops turney is over if not who is the contact person we will come

 
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Pros and Cons

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November 29 2007, 9:36 AM 

I just found this site and it has some great information and if the site is used properly it could be a great tool grow the game of Native hockey. I will post some of the reasons why Native hockey won't get bigger and then I will post some ideas how we could make the game get better in my view only.

Negatives

- The players don't show any or have any ties with one team (We basically have 2 or 3 all-star teams at each tournament).
- Players use this as a tool to get away from the real world and the weekends are usually a "drunken orgies".
- Teams should spend $ on uniforms that match and not players.
- There is never any advertising to promote the tournaments (almost underground).
- No programs at the events with players names in them.
- More of the tournament finals should be played over the internet.
- No teams have their own websites.

Positives

- Great games and all the teams and players that attend play at 110%
- The game is the last true game of hockey the way its supposed to be played which allows "battles".
- There is usually great Community support for their teams and most games there is alot of fans.

 
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Contact

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November 29 2007, 9:54 AM 

Kamloops: Jim Grant (250) 372-8022 or [email protected] Time will tell if jeans beans makes it 's way over to kamloops. Don't get lost in those big hills that we call mountains. Oh by the way any white team i put together will eat your team alive. I know for a fact that your best doesn't even come close to my best, so any tournament, anytime you name it. Kamloops is a start. Really can't see you guys making it past the mountains, so i guess you'll have to wait unitl later in the spring for the schooling. By the way, win alot more tournaments first, not just 1 before you start lipping off cause i sick and tired of listening to wannabes that will never be.

 
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Kamloops Tourney

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November 29 2007, 6:39 PM 

Kamloops Falcons Hockey Club website: http://kamloopsfalcons.ourprofile.net It is all Native. Status Card and Registered metis card.Jan 11-13 2008 If they get more teams the prize money will go up.

 
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full of beans

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January 2 2012, 12:09 PM 

jeans beans can't make kamloops
their players are still in school and can't get away till spring break
you know they can't compete without the university METIS

 
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December 5 2007, 8:11 AM 

sheldon i talked with jim and we are entered see you there

 
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December 13 2007, 6:36 PM 

its funny how sheldon cries about the so called white players on the jeans beans hockey team id like to state some facts 1st of all there were no metis cards provided or shown nor were the players requested to show a metis or status card 2nd this guy sheldon thats doing all the crying actually contacted me about bringing my money and these so called 6 white players to his team my good friend roach played with them and put us in touch after much consideration i had to decline 3rd the white player darren delainey that went to play for P.A.M.I.A was let go for that reason exactly non status nor metis its funny when someone who said he had a team that would crush any team there came and requested the services of my sponsors and players so sheldon before you make any more stupid comments tell all the people the real story your just a cry bag dude you got beat get over it and for the persons who wrot that the white player went to the PA team and they felt cheated and should strip my team for having so called white players and give first place to the PA team your an idiot you just contridicted the whole point you dumb @$$ but all in all we one you lost maybe next year you could find your self some ssponsors that like dealing with cry babie loosers not the team you the players on your team were exellent your a looser get over your self thanks for the comments about our team we must have been a good team we beat the so called unbeatable big guy lake and yes i pay players just like everyone else obvioiusly i pay better fro all you haters keep on hating while i create champions

 
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Jay= Jason Chikita

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December 13 2007, 9:20 PM 

Nobody wanted to protest the fact that Jean's Beans had all the white guys because Jason and his puppets would have ccepted the cards that were issued the week prior. Mr Chikita, Jean and Jackie can have their 4 team tournament this year. NOBODY IS GOING BACK TO BATTLEFORD !

 
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December 15 2007, 5:07 AM 

People will go back to battleford! They are ,making up a commtitee for the tournament, that has honest and reasonable people that have good hockey backrounds.

 
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Re: Jay= Jason Chikita

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December 23 2007, 12:08 PM 

if jay was not speaking the truth why would u guys band him off this forum
to bad u guys cry so much about getting beat thats sad

 
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Another thought of the day

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December 26 2007, 11:56 AM 

Anyone who has gone through and read the rules in the souvenir program at the BIMFC tournament would have found the loop holes (which of course are subject to interpretation), but fans wouldn't have known the actual rules and any loop holes until they actually walked into the Civic Centre, bought the program and began reading. More importantly though is that the only ones who usually get a look at the rules in advance are the teams (via the sponsor, coach or manager) that enter. When teams pay their entry fee, they'll often ask for the rules then. Since BIMFC requires the entry fee a week early, this gives teams a week to plot their strategy to work into the loopholes. Obviously the comments on this site speak for themselves but at some point we have to move on despite the differences in thoughts and opinions and hope things are worked on for the next time. So if there is anything for the tournament committee (and for any tournament for that matter) to learn from the last tournament's fiasco is to communicate with the fans, players, coaches and managers. For the duration of the tournament, ask questions on how to improve the event for the following year, ask what people liked or disliked, ask for opinions or thoughts on the rules, maybe do a one-page survey, put up a suggestion box in the lobby and dressing rooms. (Put up $100 cash or so for people who participate in the survey or suggestion box. Put their name in a draw and the winner walks away with cash for 5 minutes of their time doing a survey or making a comment for the suggestion box. That just might be the best cash you will spend during the tournament) Just some thoughts I wanted pass along....Anyone else out there have any meaningful or practical ideas to share?

 
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$10,000

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March 26 2008, 2:14 PM 

is this true Sheldon? You finished third. Must have been a big pay off for you $10,000.00 plus $5,000.00 for third. BIG, BIG pay off. Stop crying now already.

 
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$10,000

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March 26 2008, 2:15 PM 

is this true Sheldon? You finished third. Must have been a big pay off for you $10,000.00 plus $5,000.00 for third. BIG, BIG pay off. Stop crying now already.

 
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Not to fair

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December 30 2007, 12:50 PM 

I am a Cree from sask,Uranium City.I read the complaints about the tourny in Batlford,I think it is unfair to the Native that sat on the bench!while the no-native played in their hockey tourny.Furtheremore,I would like to see some actions talking place regarding this matter.I am looking forward to AN ALL NATIVE TOUNY in furture.Please let me Know what you think about this letter.

 
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Not to fair

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December 30 2007, 12:50 PM 

I am a Cree from sask,Uranium City.I read the complaints about the tourny in Batlford,I think it is unfair to the Native that sat on the bench!while the no-native played in their hockey tourny.Furtheremore,I would like to see some actions talking place regarding this matter.I am looking forward to AN ALL NATIVE TOUNY in furture.Please let me Know what you think about this letter.

 
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Not to fair

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December 30 2007, 12:51 PM 

I am a Cree from sask,Uranium City.I read the complaints about the tourny in Batlford,I think it is unfair to the Native that sat on the bench!while the no-native played in their hockey tourny.Furtheremore,I would like to see some actions talking place regarding this matter.I am looking forward to AN ALL NATIVE TOUNY in furture.Please let me Know what you think about this letter.

 
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Re: Not to fair

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December 30 2007, 9:42 PM 

I think that we as natives should be able to compete against any white team. Sounds to me that the theory is that white players are so superhuman that us native players can't put together a team to beat them. Just need a hard working native team that plays together rather then playing for themselves or money.

 
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I agree

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December 31 2007, 3:45 AM 

I agree we had an native team in the BC Amateur Sr..AA we were based out of Kamloops and went to our league final and lost 6-4 to Trail Smokeaters in the final game the winner advanced to the coy cup and Trail ended up winning the Coy Cup that year. We not only competed but we were the only native team at that time. A few lucky breaks here and there we would have gone to the Coy Cup, but we prove we could compete and had a successful year. That year we also beat the local Cariboo university college team too!! So a few white players , they are not superhuman LOL!! ye so it is a good topic though!

 
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Not to fair!

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January 3 2008, 12:23 PM 

I was not talking about any theory?But what I am saying is that the team with the white players were from the UofS a high calibre hockey thay are not an average.In addition you are right we as Native can play hockey with an others out there.BUT this tuorney wes not an all-star game it was a one-sided game.

 
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Not to fair!

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January 3 2008, 12:25 PM 

I was not talking about any theory?But what I am saying is that the team with the white players were from the UofS a high calibre hockey thay are not an average.In addition you are right we as Native can play hockey with an others out there.BUT this tuorney wes not an all-star game it was a one-sided game.

 
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Not Fair

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January 7 2008, 9:16 AM 

I agree, I think that if a tournament is advertised as a All Native Tournament than it should be for all Natives, if you want to see what an all Native team can do against some white teams than host a tournament advertising as an open tournament where anyone can play. But yeah it's unfair if a team brings white guys to an All Native tournament and sits there native players what's the point in entering the tournament if your going to sit your Native Brothers.

 
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Winning at all Costs: Hockey & Politics

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January 7 2008, 11:36 AM 

"Winning at all costs" trumps everything, especially when it comes to the BIMFC's Native Stanley Cup, where the big cash payout and status of winning what is (or was, to some) the most prestigous tournament in Native hockey, which are the key factors in doing everything one can do to put a winner on the ice. That's all good and fair, the problem lies in the defining "Native" and providing proper documentation to prove so, specifically with the assigning of Metis cards. The fact that a number of people (at least 13 Metis leaders and election officials) were criminally involved or have appeared in court (with fraud related charges such as conspiracy to commit forgery and uttering forged documents) in the provincial Metis election here in Saskatchewan says alot about the availability and credibility of Metis cards. Although this was an election issue, it goes to show that people at various levels in the Metis community were prepared to cheat or bend the rules, despite the rules in place. I'm sure the true Metis people with legitimate ID are pissed off that this fiasco was allowed to go on in the first place. I don't mean to offend any Metis people out there or paint them with the same brush, but the it remains that there are some people who are doing an injustice to the Metis name and community, including handing out "new" Metis cards to hockey players prior to tournaments. Maybe BIMFC could learn from David Hamilton, chief electoral officer for the June 2007 Saskatchewan Metis elections, who implemented a more rigid system by requiring every Metis voter to register in advance under a new act passed by the Metis Nation. What this goes to shows is when you put some obstacles to prove your citizenship, you don't get any problems after the fact. Now you can address the "Native" identity issue before **** hits the fan in the next tournament!

 
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I got a better Idea

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January 7 2008, 7:23 PM 

Why don't they just allow status card players, they are true Descendents of our native ancestry, that would solve the problem. It would be a "Native" Tournament.

 
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sounds good

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January 8 2008, 10:44 AM 

Hey Jim that's the best thing I've read in this site so far "Status Cards Only".

 
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Re: sounds good

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January 26 2008, 10:58 AM 

I played in a lot of tuorneys over the past 15 years and Not once I said to anther Native do you have a status card.I do not have a status card but I am Cree native and proud to be a Native with out status card and you that wrote"status card only" is a Racis Prick.

 
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Jim Grant
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not racist

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January 27 2008, 11:00 PM 

well if you are native you should have status card, it is not being racist, I am native and have a status card, I will and have have backed my native brothers and sisters since i have been born, it has nothing to do with being racist, either you have a staus card or you don,t, plain and simple, nothing hard about that bro!! you shouldn't bring that crap up on this forum. it is about Indian tournaments and the problems with keeping it that way.

 
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right on Native Bro

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January 28 2008, 2:56 PM 

Hey Jim, you sound better and better every time I read your comments on this site. I don't see anything racist about asking for Status Cards only the only one who can say it's racist is if you don't have a Status Card and than you can eat your heart out ha ha. Skate hard all my Native Bros.

 
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Re: Winning at all Costs: Hockey & Politics

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January 14 2008, 3:52 PM 

i voted in the last election in july it was ajoke anyone could of voted al;l they had two do was self declaire there metis statis so if thaT WAS THE CASE ANY WHITE OR NATIVE PERSON CAN BE METIS AN DIF DAVID HAMILTON THOUGHT OF THAT HE SHOULD HANG HIS HEAD IN SHAME

 
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nevermind battleford

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February 27 2008, 12:07 PM 

Never mind battleford for now, and think about March what other great tournaments are coming up. I Know..... Saddle Lake has one coming up March 7th weekend for more info call Larry or Louis @ 780.726-2828

thanks for reading

 
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Not only white boys can play hockey

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March 26 2008, 2:03 PM 

I think all you guys need to do is to stop talking about the Battleford tourny and Jeans Beans. You people are only giving Jeans Beans swelled heads thinking that they are very good and unbeatable just because they might and i mean might have had(but i doubt it) white boys on the team. Only white boys are good hockey players. I doubt that. Lets all stop crying and get on the ice and play hard. Play with heart not an empty wallet.

See you all the Battleford tourny

 
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Re: Not to fair

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April 22 2008, 2:50 PM 

sounds awesome b.c warrior,best thing i read all day

 
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white players

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November 1 2008, 4:52 PM 

in the 9o's we played against the best white teams provincials or tournaments and most of the time we won. white players are not unbeatable! stop complaining and do something like beating them.

joe,boone louis,deno,jay,currie,brad,billy,randy,dean , donevan,ruben,sean ,sheldon,and a bunch of other great hockey players we won tournaments all over canada.

 
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Fair Play

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January 17 2012, 12:48 AM 

A few years back lots of Saskatchewan teams entered in this tournament and it was fun, lots of fans came to cheer for their teams. Lately all we see is stacked teams so our local teams dont bother entering any more cause they dont have a chance in winning. This tourmament is dying and nobody is doing anything to bring back the teams. This is an easy fix, extremely simple but nobody wants to do anything to solve the problem. I suggest that each player has to play for their own community with a limit of two or three imports. All these imports names would have to be submitted at the time of team entry so we can verify their eligability (status or metis). So people quit fighting and lets work together and fix this little problem...............Battleford Metis Board it's time to make changes and save this tournament.

 
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battleford tourney

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April 5 2011, 9:32 AM 

what were the results this year and what teams entered?

 
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