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Rick Potvin's On or Off-topic Cryonics Cafe ...a very lightly & loosely moderated on or off-topic public discussion between cryonics members or between cryonicists & the public or the media & others. Features: Off-topic with respect to cryonics okay. Proviso: The subset of off-topics of general interest to cryonicists works best. Way off-topic topics work best in a linked personal blog. No log-in needed. Instant posting-- no approvals needed. N54 logged in users may revise their own posts. Occasional thread locking to limit excessive thread length. No IPs displayed. Anonymous posting okay but polite pseudonyms preferred. Occasionally linked to CryoNet. Good cryonics-on-topic ideas can be posted at Cryonics Observer, linked at top of every page here. EMAIL ME if there are any problems. Thanks.

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Boy Is This Place Dead VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Non E. Moose on Feb 21, 2005, 9:26 PM

The latest version of Cafe is Cryonaut 2005. - Rick Potvin on Feb 27, 2005, 3:12 AM

Even Deader than Here - Non E. Moose on Mar 16, 2005, 9:38 PM

No point. - PhilOssifur on Oct 14, 2006, 12:32 PM

Yo Rick It's Midnight Do You Know Where Your Forums Are? VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Finance Department on May 2, 2005, 9:43 PM

does't mater. - PhilOssifur on Oct 14, 2006, 12:32 PM

Interview VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - journaliste on May 24, 2005, 9:02 AM

I cannot help here. - PhilOssifur on Oct 14, 2006, 12:31 PM

CLOSURE-- Why was this forum closed for a time? VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - PhilOssifur on Oct 13, 2006, 4:59 AM

test VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - PhilOssifur on Oct 10, 2006, 7:41 PM

I'm looking for Larry Johnson's posts-- I think this is the forum he posted in-- not Round - PhilOssifur on Oct 10, 2006, 7:45 PM

Here's an interesting conversation I had with Bobby Jo - PhilOssifur on Oct 10, 2006, 7:48 PM

Here's where I introduced CryoDisc-- later called CryoTalk-- - PhilOssifur on Oct 10, 2006, 7:52 PM

Here's where somebody says Lobstercan Larry is a threat to cryonics-- the biggest. - PhilOssifur on Oct 10, 2006, 7:58 PM

Here's where Joe Waynick was participating-- so SD this is the place-- Cafe-- - PhilOssifur on Oct 10, 2006, 8:04 PM

Here's where Tanya participates. - PhilOssifur on Oct 10, 2006, 8:11 PM

Freeted.com is "under construction" but basically gone. - PhilOssifur on Oct 10, 2006, 8:14 PM

SUMMARY-- Ok my point is, SD, THIS is the place you meant. I can't find Larry yet but will - PhilOssifur on Oct 10, 2006, 8:31 PM

SD and FD do not acknowledge that this is the key forum. - PhilOssifur on Oct 13, 2006, 4:49 AM

Anger Management VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Finance Department on May 28, 2005, 10:14 PM

http://trixieteen.shawnsporn.com/ - Trixie Teen on Aug 12, 2005, 4:25 PM

Emails have been "nulled" out at ScienceCare.org VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick on May 17, 2004, 9:14 PM

No problem - Photon on May 17, 2004, 9:50 PM

Impossible. - Rick on May 17, 2004, 9:53 PM

Okay, it's still null for me... - Rick on May 17, 2004, 9:56 PM

Do they know you? - Anonymous on May 17, 2004, 10:04 PM

That's not concievable. - Rick on May 18, 2004, 5:43 AM

Emails nulled - Harry on Jan 17, 2005, 4:34 PM

I'll try that. - Rick on Jan 29, 2005, 10:24 AM

Re: Emails have been "nulled" out at ScienceCare.org - Anonymous on Apr 18, 2005, 6:20 AM

Paul Pagnato willn't stop.... VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Maniac on PAUL PUGNATO on Apr 15, 2004, 7:58 PM

Pugnatious Pugnato didn't even respond to my polite emails. - Rick on Apr 15, 2004, 8:23 PM

I've meet Paul before... - Maniac on Apr 15, 2004, 8:39 PM

But in my view, Alcor News "is" critical. - Rick on Apr 15, 2004, 8:59 PM

Interesting - Observer on Feb 21, 2005, 12:38 PM

Chicago Cryoenthusist VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Dirty Cricket on Dec 22, 2004, 8:03 PM

so what happened to the rest of your forums? VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - bull goose looney on Oct 4, 2004, 12:20 PM

Mark Plus convinced of Peak Oil hoax despite lots of evidence against it. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick on Sep 5, 2004, 10:33 PM

IP identifiers now on-- recent poster of scat messages will be banned. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [BLOCKING IP] on Sep 5, 2004, 5:41 AM

Scat porn posts appeared coincidentally with Group of 6 posts on EO - Rick on Sep 5, 2004, 5:45 AM

Arizona Exerpt VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Anonymous on Sep 4, 2004, 2:15 PM

Alcor's dismissal of request for DoG by nephews denied by Arizona Court VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - TWrelated on Sep 3, 2004, 1:48 PM

Thanks for that update. - Rick on Sep 3, 2004, 3:13 PM

Re: Thanks for that update. - Sam on Sep 3, 2004, 6:24 PM

you wish - Nada on Sep 4, 2004, 1:29 AM

Judge rules Alcor must prove Ted Williams wanted his head frozen - Anonymous on Sep 3, 2004, 8:27 PM

Paul & Kitty announce they want to be paid for their advice. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [WAKFER] on Aug 29, 2004, 4:41 PM

They were always supposed to be paid... - Jonathan Hinek on Sep 1, 2004, 5:37 AM

They ought to have a�free teaser board and then ask for payment to go further. - Rick on Sep 1, 2004, 6:28 PM

What did one frozen head say to the other frozen head? VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Anonymous on Aug 26, 2004, 10:26 AM

What did one vitrified head say to the other vitrified head? - Jonathan Hinek on Sep 1, 2004, 5:48 AM

Ha ha. What did the vitrified head say to the frozen head? - Rick on Sep 1, 2004, 6:24 PM

My off-topic ideas, here, will attempt to stay confined to generally acceptable off-topic VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [OFF-TOPIC: acceptable] on Aug 30, 2004, 6:41 AM

Because we're not neccessarily confined to cryonics here, I'll rename this area Cryonaut C - Rick on Aug 30, 2004, 6:45 AM

Cryonet is more off-topic, thought to be of interest to cryonicists, than on-topic. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [CRYONET] on Aug 30, 2004, 6:37 AM

Someone on Extropy is ridiculing the idea of the middle class. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [MIDDLE CLASS] on Aug 28, 2004, 7:26 AM

Natasha is directing attention to Fukuyama's labelling TH as most dangerous idea. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [FUKUYAMA on TRANSHUMANISM] on Aug 27, 2004, 10:31 AM

Punta Gorda Florida death count analysis begins here. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick on Aug 20, 2004, 10:10 PM

The number missing is critical. - Rick on Aug 21, 2004, 1:20 PM

Large death toll successfully covered up, in my view. - Rick on Aug 27, 2004, 10:11 AM

Here's a study that shows that people derive pleasure from revenge (punishing norm violato VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [REVENGE HARD-WIRED] on Aug 27, 2004, 10:03 AM

Put a minus sign in front of Mark Plus's peak oil arguments. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [MARK PLUS'S PEAK OIL HOAX] on Aug 26, 2004, 5:21 PM

Re: Put a minus sign in front of Mark Plus's peak oil arguments. - Anonymous on Aug 26, 2004, 5:30 PM

I don't think he'll visit EO or here on the oil matter because... - Rick on Aug 26, 2004, 5:40 PM

rickbot -LaRouche - texas cryo on Aug 27, 2004, 5:20 AM

No, you can't say that. - Rick on Aug 27, 2004, 7:30 AM

Kubler Ross herself just experience death: Her stages of grief didn't include cryonics. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [KUBLER ROSS] on Aug 26, 2004, 4:27 PM

Name Calling on EO not nice, Rick VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - DrDave on Aug 26, 2004, 10:43 AM

Okay, thanks for the tip. I'll take it back. - Rick on Aug 26, 2004, 2:51 PM

What to cryonics people eat for breakfast? VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Anonymous on Aug 26, 2004, 10:24 AM

From here to forever. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [SHORT STORY] on Aug 26, 2004, 10:12 AM

The key to good off topic topics is that the off topic still has to be of interest to... VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [OFF TOPIC] on Aug 25, 2004, 4:39 PM

If the off-topic topic is not of generally agreed interest to the on-topic audience... - Rick on Aug 25, 2004, 4:43 PM

Gene doping seems to be hitting the news lately, with Olympics. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick on Aug 25, 2004, 4:34 PM

Time mag has cover story about living to 100. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick on Aug 25, 2004, 4:31 PM

What are the main general news sources that cryonicists use? VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [NEWS] on Aug 21, 2004, 6:18 AM

The ultimate off-topic forum is a personal blog. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [BLOGS] on Aug 21, 2004, 5:45 AM

I'll be checking messages here more often than EO VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick on Aug 20, 2004, 5:30 PM

I'll try to review some policies in this thread. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [POLICIES] on Aug 10, 2004, 8:22 PM

No log-in and no approval needed-- so instant posting and very loose control. - Rick on Aug 10, 2004, 8:26 PM

reply - Anonymous on Aug 15, 2004, 8:22 AM

There is no solution really. - Rick on Aug 15, 2004, 8:42 AM

C. Cafe Up AgaiN???!!!!! - Anonymous on Aug 15, 2004, 12:42 PM

Yup. - Rick on Aug 15, 2004, 4:42 PM

disabled individuals? - Brian on Aug 15, 2004, 8:20 AM

As increasingly we become masters of the universe, revival of a million cryanauts will... - Rick on Aug 15, 2004, 8:35 AM

Re: As increasingly we become masters of the universe, revival of a million cryanauts will... - Brian on Aug 15, 2004, 9:03 AM

It may very well turn out that most people reject cryonics due to afterlife beliefs - Rick on Aug 15, 2004, 11:47 AM

Re: It may very well turn out that most people reject cryonics due to afterlife beliefs - Brian on Aug 15, 2004, 4:20 PM

Re: It may very well turn out that most people reject cryonics due to afterlife beliefs - Brian on Aug 16, 2004, 7:37 PM

Who will return - Photon on Aug 17, 2004, 8:18 PM

Re: Who will return - Brian on Aug 17, 2004, 11:02 PM

Re: Who will return - Brian on Aug 17, 2004, 11:03 PM

There's something to be said for instant posting rather than approval-needed VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [INSTANT POSTING] on Aug 15, 2004, 7:13 AM

Glad to hear it, Rick. - Jonathan Hinek on Aug 16, 2004, 3:52 PM

I have my own Cryonics Observer to "control" - Rick on Aug 16, 2004, 8:15 PM

We can construct survey modules-- but what is a good survey question? VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [SURVEYS] on Aug 15, 2004, 7:16 AM

Re: We can construct survey modules-- but what is a good survey question? - Brian on Aug 15, 2004, 9:08 AM

A survey question has to be of the form... - Rick on Aug 15, 2004, 11:41 AM

Re: A survey question has to be of the form... - Brian on Aug 15, 2004, 4:28 PM

Okay then what are the possible pre-selected answers going to be? - Rick on Aug 15, 2004, 4:35 PM

survey - Anonymous on Aug 16, 2004, 5:10 PM

Re: Okay then what are the possible pre-selected answers going to be? - Brian on Aug 16, 2004, 5:12 PM

Is it just me, or am I sensing a cold wind blowing from the Cryonics mag dept. at Alcor? VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [ALCOR: Cryonics magazine] on Aug 15, 2004, 8:04 AM

Brian, this forum began as off-topic, but ended up more on-topic than Cryonet. So... VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [INTERVIEW BRIAN] on Aug 15, 2004, 6:56 AM

Arizona Republic is pushing to unseal Alcor's records. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [LAWSUITS] on Jul 17, 2004, 7:57 AM

Yes, it is a legal lawsuit - Anonymous on Jul 17, 2004, 11:32 AM

Who does the AZ Republic think they are? - Rick on Jul 17, 2004, 4:52 PM

Freedom of the Press - Anonymous on Jul 18, 2004, 8:18 AM

Freedom of the Press? - anonymous on Jul 18, 2004, 10:17 AM

public records - anon on Jul 19, 2004, 4:22 AM

private records - anonymous on Jul 19, 2004, 11:11 AM

Privacy of anything? - Rick on Jul 20, 2004, 6:09 AM

No exaggeration - anonymous on Jul 20, 2004, 11:00 AM

overstating the issue - anon on Jul 21, 2004, 9:03 AM

No overstatement - anonymous on Jul 22, 2004, 9:19 AM

Ted Williams doesn't count as a famous cryonaut because... VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [SQUANDERED POTENTIAL] on Jul 20, 2004, 6:18 AM

Walt Disney expressed more interest in cryonics, publicly, than Ted Williams. - Rick on Jul 20, 2004, 10:47 AM

Playboy party at the Creekside lodge? VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Troy Powers on Jul 19, 2004, 12:43 AM

Introduce yourself Troy, and what's your position on Ted Williams? - Rick on Jul 19, 2004, 11:26 AM

Hey, bro, what you wanted to know about me - Troy Powers on Jul 19, 2004, 2:50 PM

That's funny stuff. - Rick on Jul 19, 2004, 4:26 PM

ha ha - Texas Cryo on Jul 20, 2004, 6:11 AM

Playboy party - anonymous on Jul 19, 2004, 11:33 AM

Looking for updates from on Alcor on Ted Williams? VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [ALCOR NEWS] on Jul 19, 2004, 9:08 PM

Incredibly, Dr. Lemler is quoted talking about Ted & publicity VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [LEMLER] on Jul 10, 2004, 6:52 PM

Lemler - Anonymous on Jul 17, 2004, 12:41 PM

Please don't post naked links-- say something. - Rick on Jul 17, 2004, 4:57 PM

Rick... - Anonymous on Jul 17, 2004, 6:11 PM

Thanks... - Rick on Jul 18, 2004, 12:39 AM

Why are you accepting this so-called quote... - Jonathan Hinek on Jul 19, 2004, 2:40 PM

I don't know... - Rick on Jul 19, 2004, 4:30 PM

Society for Universal Immortalism VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Tripper McCarthy [TRIPPER'S COMMENT ON TW] on Jul 14, 2004, 9:14 PM

Gee, that's real nice Tripper but what is your comment on... - Rick on Jul 14, 2004, 10:11 PM

Sorry Rick - Tripper McCarthy on Jul 15, 2004, 1:33 PM

Okay, that's nice too-- but what is your position on Ted? - Rick on Jul 15, 2004, 2:08 PM

No comment from Tripper on Ted. - Rick on Jul 16, 2004, 5:12 AM

Get a life Rick - Anonymous on Jul 16, 2004, 7:04 PM

Dumb stupid rambling little me. - Rick on Jul 16, 2004, 10:25 PM

Second answer: Try to stay on topic. - Rick on Jul 17, 2004, 7:09 AM

Third answer: Get a name, anonymous. - Rick on Jul 17, 2004, 4:54 PM

Are the details of the TW preservertion the business of cryonicists-- or not? VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [BUSINESS] on Jul 11, 2004, 7:17 PM

America - anon on Jul 12, 2004, 3:45 PM

Freedom of Speech - Anonymous on Jul 12, 2004, 5:22 PM

I wrote a song about Ted - Rick on Jul 12, 2004, 7:50 PM

please upload your song to the net - texas cryo on Jul 15, 2004, 5:45 PM

Webtv - Rick on Jul 16, 2004, 5:02 AM

Just for fun - TWrelated on Jul 16, 2004, 8:53 AM

Great! - Rick on Jul 16, 2004, 11:15 AM

Is TW's estate & executor of estate a permanent entity now? Or does it dissolve sometime? VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [ESTATE] on Jul 16, 2004, 7:26 AM

My understanding - TWrelated on Jul 16, 2004, 8:31 AM

I wonder if the estate execs think Ted could someday be reanimated? - Rick on Jul 16, 2004, 8:54 AM

I just read an article about the Steinbeck estate - TWrelated on Jul 16, 2004, 9:53 AM

If Ted's head was vitrified, was it also stored at intermediate (optimal) temp? VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [INTERMEDIATE TEMP STORAGE] on Jul 16, 2004, 8:23 AM

Fascinating - TWrelated on Jul 16, 2004, 8:37 AM

Yes, it's spelled that way-- they other way is... - Rick on Jul 16, 2004, 8:45 AM

How good is Ted's "informed consent" when JH had "power of attourney"? VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [INFORMED CONSENT] on Jul 15, 2004, 6:35 AM

My understanding - TWrelated on Jul 15, 2004, 7:50 AM

This is an interesting relevent point. - Rick on Jul 15, 2004, 9:44 AM

Power of Attorney is irrelevant - Anonymous on Jul 15, 2004, 3:37 PM

That's a key item then. - Rick on Jul 16, 2004, 5:11 AM

Montville writes that the neuroseparation was a mistake. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [MISTAKEN NEUROSEPARATION] on Jul 10, 2004, 7:09 PM

mistake it was - anon on Jul 12, 2004, 4:11 PM

CYA-- it took me 5 seconds to get that. - Rick on Jul 12, 2004, 7:57 PM

CYA - anon on Jul 13, 2004, 8:18 PM

The birth of another urban legend? - anonymous on Jul 13, 2004, 12:48 PM

Tedious HA - Anonymous on Jul 13, 2004, 11:47 PM

Health Care Cost Savings - anonymous on Jul 14, 2004, 8:55 AM

Re: Health Care Cost Savings - Anonymous on Jul 14, 2004, 9:47 AM

Friendly Advice - Anonymous on Jul 14, 2004, 10:02 AM

Just a comment on the link - TWrelated on Jul 14, 2004, 8:36 PM

Finishing what has been started - Anonymous on Jul 14, 2004, 11:23 PM

This is the kind of reasoning that makes cryonicists look bad. - Rick on Jul 15, 2004, 6:24 AM

Withholding vs. Withdrawing care - Anonymous on Jul 15, 2004, 11:11 AM

You say it "of course it matters" whether Ted wanted preservation or not. - Rick on Jul 15, 2004, 5:56 PM

Yes, it could be any of those reasons - TWrelated on Jul 15, 2004, 7:55 AM

I think I might be the only cryonicist who "gets it". - Rick on Jul 15, 2004, 9:37 AM

One last statement before recess - TWrelated on Jul 15, 2004, 12:08 PM

I'm sure there is a DoG and that Alcor is stuck... - Rick on Jul 15, 2004, 2:13 PM

Other than showing - TWrelated on Jul 15, 2004, 3:03 PM

Why estate would sue - anonymous on Jul 15, 2004, 3:22 PM

Thanks - TWrelated on Jul 15, 2004, 3:30 PM

Justice - anonymous on Jul 15, 2004, 3:58 PM

Answers - Anonymous on Jul 15, 2004, 7:51 PM

Why would the estate defend the preservation? - Rick on Jul 15, 2004, 7:48 PM

The estate - TWrelated on Jul 15, 2004, 8:22 PM

Isn't the job of executor... - Rick on Jul 16, 2004, 5:00 AM

TW represents the single biggest marketing disaster in cryonics history. VIEW ENTIRE THREAD-- easier to read. - Rick [MARKETING DISASTER] on Jul 11, 2004, 8:48 PM

Testimonials from those now in the dewars should be important. - Rick on Jul 12, 2004, 12:42 PM

Post-preservation messages should be written by good cryonicists. - Rick on Jul 15, 2004, 6:31 AM

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