Cocoa butter is one of the most popular massage creams when it comes to natural breast enlargement (NBE) and it has been said that this particular plant fat can promote growth and development of breast tissue. Many users have experienced a plumping effect and a heavier feel to breasts after continous use of cocoa butter for breast massage.

It has been a common belief that vitamin E can make the plumpness from cocoa butter massage stay permanently, but neither vitamin E nor cocoa butter really soak in to the dermis layer of the skin. They can help smooth out the top, dead skin layer and form a protective film, but not affect the underlying epidermical layers, and even less so, the dermis and beyond.

The majority of those who use cocoa butter for plumping the breasts report that they lose their plumpness if they stop using the cocoa butter.That strongly suggests that the results in terms of plumpness achieved from cocoa butter massage are nothing but water retention due to the large
fat molecules preventing water from evaporating through the pores, in combination with the effects of the massage itself.

What cocoa butter does effectively, is work as an emollient, to soften the top layers dead skin cells and seal the skins moisture in, which is good if the skin is dry and lack moisture. However, It can't penetrate through the skin, into the actual breast tissue and deposit fat there, as some tend to believe. That is biologically impossible.

Molecules moving from the environment into and through intact skin must first penetrate the stratum corneum and any material on its surface. They must then penetrate the viable epidermis, the papillary dermis, and the capillary walls into the blood stream or lymph channels. This can simply not be done with the molecular size of cocoa butter.


Note:
This text is NOT saying that massage is ineffective for NBE. Just that cocoa butter cannot make breasts larger.

so i use the brava. what can help me keep the swelling as long as possible like the vitamin e is said to?

Diana;
Since the swelling is happening UNDER the skin, inside the breasts, there is nothing you can apply on the outside to maintain the swelling other than (perhaps) heat.

To try to keep the swelling in any way could possibly lead to an inflammation inside the breast since the vacuum treatment already puts a bit of a strain on the inside tissue as it is.

Be kind to your boobs! They look great by the way. I've seen the pics!

thanks.. i try to stay out of bras as much as possible... and keep it clean and moisturized whenever possible..

Fennel Fairy, how dare you say that cocoa butter does nothing to increase breast size! How dare you!

I know of millions of men and women who have used this technique and at least all of them got massive results!

My own uncle used it twice a week for two weeks. He was flat as a board and now he's a 48JJJ!

How very dare you!!!

Shut it you twinky twat!

Cocoa butter will tirn your chest measurement into a value on the negative scale. I hereby sentence you to be a -38AAAAAAAAAAAA cup. *evil grin*

I have used it on my genitalia and now have a third leg. I have had to learn how to walk all over and the overwhelming smell of the cocoa butter is becoming noticeable. When erect I don't need a chair. Third shoes are hard to come by but knitted caps offers some comfort. A leather Yamaka sewn on the tip of the hat works. Should I continue use or stop? I just don't know? Taking Viagara is right out!

:-O Fennel Farty, you used the T-word! How rude!

Anyway, I've just done a breast massage with cocoa butter. Not only did my norks grow to an 84ZZZ but I now have 14 extra fingers, three more heads and a small Russian doll on my left ear... called Alf.

Don't forget to mention the giant DALEK on your left foot. It wasn't there yesterday.

You mean Dave? Yeah, he was. He's just a bit shy for a Dalek. Tends to hide out in my trouser socks when there's people around.

okay so now that you two have of smiling so bad that my cheeks hurt and my husband is gonna wonder why i look so goofy. That was crazy. you two are nuts. rotflmao. geez.

Ok I can't resist.....do you think if I soaked myself in a bathtub full of cocoa butter I could make a clone of myself? Haha!

No, but it might do something to your skin...
Hey - Perhaps that's what Michael Jackson did?

I don't know what he did, but the man's poor face looks like it's about to slide right off of his skull. On a side note, I used my old boobie cocoa butter (which I no longer use on my boobies!) on a horrible sunburn that I got on my face a few weeks back and it helped tons. I didn't peel at all. I don't see much use for it beyond how nice it makes the top of your skin feel!

I've been using it on my face and lips because they are so dry and flaky and it seems soothing, but I've always had my doubts about the creams for breast growth. I have used progesterone cream in the past and KNOW that stuff works. Now when I say I know it works I am not saying I know it works for breast enlargement because I feel the verdict is still out on that theory, but I know the progesterone in the cream penetrates the skin and enters the blood stream, because I have seen and felt the effects on myself. I currently am trying BO because herbs did not help me and so far I am feeling more energetic and my libido is better. Of course it is only day 8.
By the way, I have seen some web sites that really recommend the BO for males as an effective breast enlarger.

I think the progesterone cream I am using is balancing out everything I am taking. I use it everyday and they feel better than if I don't use it. My breasts suck the stuff right up too so I know it is penetrating. I am presently taking Dong Quai, Milk Thistle, Fenuggreek, soy isoflavones.

There is a new bunch of people now on the main "girly" forum who are preaching the gospel of Cocoa Butter. I won't argue with these women, I have learnt from my last mistake where I was attacked by a horde of hormonally imbalanced cocoa worshippers, became an outcast and fled to this particular forum area.

It doesn't matter how many medically proven facts you use. Dermatology is an area where a lot of research has been made and only very very small molecules can pass through our skin. But no - Science is simply lost on these women, with a few exceptions.

"I know you say the CB molecules are huge but I WANT to believe that they can penetrate my skin!!! And I will jump up and down in anger like a mad four year old until you agree with me! I massaged with CB and my tits got plumper"

...Yeah that's because the rough massage itself caused tissue to swell temporarily duh! And if you abuse your breasts with rough massage on a daily basis they will stay swollen. Let me prove this by smashing your nose hard every day for a month...

Isn't it strange how an attempt to help, and save people a lot of time waste on a useless method, can be so upsetting to some? Blasphemy! Thou shall not criticise cocoa butter or Edgar Cayce. Personally, I think any facts that will prevent someone from doing something useless are a good thing, and will help them look elsewhere for something that DOES work.

Women.... :-(

It is not useless, they'll have very nice smelling, swollen boobies :)

Everything I post on "that" part of the boards are taken with negativity and I get hostile replies whatever I write, even though I'm not being offensive to anybody. All I do is trying to be constructive and eliminate misleading methods that might fight the purpose of NBE. The only person over there that gets away with logical arguments is Moon. Good luck to her. She's got brains that girl. Oh well... I've always been a ****ing outcast anyway. Tough ****.

Last night I posted in a thread about fennel seeds, that I suspect that measuring the potency of our daily intake by "milligrams of estrogenic herbs" can be misleading since different herbs have different strenght. 2000 mg of fennel can't possibly equal 2000 mg of red clover, so the entire theory of a maximum daily intake of 5000 mg of estrogenic herbs in total doesn't seem to make sense.

Somehow somebody found my post offensive and I got a load of abuse for it. I once decided to not bother posting on "that" forum and I went back on it. That was a mistake. I won't make the same one again. I will not bother any further. Thank god for THIS place! Any ideas of mine that I have posted here in the past have been met with positivity. The only way to go forward is to question old models, find the faults and improve them. Not to stick by them religiously.

Thanks for letting me vent!
Fennel

I think that Hopeful88 has now apologised to you for being touchy regarding your helpful message.

I think we are glad to have you here, fennel. People are funny, hang with your friends :)

Yes I'll stay here. I fit in much better with this mixed bunch of people ranging from bio men to transgender women than with just bio women. The vibes are different here, and more accepting towards other ideas than what the "norm" states. Thank goddess for that!

Yep. Some monogendered people can very easily have tunnel vision. Some. Not all.

:-)

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fennelfairy I said I was sorry and I so did not give you "hell" for making a comment. You said you felt attacked? Well I felt attacked for offering my advice in the first place. But look after you explained I instantly said sorry, I am not just some newbie looking to cause trouble or preach, I have been posting on these forums since October and everyone knows that I am always so polite.

I hope you will accept my apology and not go on being afraid of the main board, or bashing me on other parts of this website. I spend hours on this site trying to answer so many people's questions so for you to feel this upset over my comment is hard to understand for me.

I'm sorry... and I wish you had just replied to me where this all started instead of making everyone on this board not like me now too. *sigh* anyways, i'll let you be...

good luck everyone with your goals

Apology accepted. But facts remain - people always get me wrong over there and take whatever I post as criticism. It might be the way I express myself or something, because I am a very straight forward person. Whatever it is, I had better stay here where I feel I belong. The main board just isn't for me. Too much PMS.

And I never meant to upset you.
Good luck to you too :-)

Okay, thanks and good luck to you too!

Hi Fennelfairy,
I do hope you still keep posting on the main forum. I didn't interpret your post as criticizing any particular person, just a theory. My question to you is, is there more benefit in taking fennel seeds whole rather than grinding them?

Grinding them would probably be better if you grind them yourself, at home, if you want to make tea out of them. Then I believe you get more of the phytoestrogens into the tea than if you use whole seeds or ready made powder.

Already ground seeds that has been on a shop shelf for six months might not be so potent because stuff kind of evaporates then. A shell preserves the stuff inside the seed better than if it is all crushed up to powder.

If you eat the fennel au naturel, seeds are easier to get down you than powder and your digestive system will get the phyto's out no matter if you grind or eat whole.

I always used whole seeds both for tea and for eating. For me, a teaspoon and a half of fennel and one full teaspoon of fenugreek seems to be the ideal dose daily. Then I had plenty of pains and tingles. For tea I used half a decilitre of fennel with a tablespoon or more of fenugreek seeds and I let it brew for a LONG time, preferably until it got cold. The major part of my breastrgrowth was acheived this way.

That's a good point about the shelf life of grounded seeds. I agree. I actually have been grinding my own seeds for a couple of months now, just because I found them at a local store. It's interesting how you got good results from such little doses (compared to most). My mother was taking fenugreek tea for almost a month and "complained" to me about her boobs getting bigger. She wasn't doing it for BE, it was more for her blood sugar. I stopped the teas because it was more time consuming. I guess I'll make more of an effort to keep it up. Thanks.

AHHHHHRRRRGHHHHHH!!!!

Okay, thanks, I feel much better now.

The cocoa butter and vitamin E thing is just really getting to me. It is like a virus that comes over the main forum. It has to run its course and then hopefully it will be gone again.

Currently someone is being very 'helpful' and suggesting that everyone add vitamin E to their cocoa butter massages to keep the results permanent...

I too am refraining from pointing out the flaw in their cunning plan. I figure at least it won't cause them harm, even if it does not actually do what they believe it will do.

Thanks for letting me vent. I knew you all would understand.

waxingmoon

P.S. -Fennel - I do miss your insight on the main forum, but I totally understand your greater comfort in this section.

JB Regina's Happy Hubby is the latest member to be henpecked and bullied off the "other" forum area. Man those ladies are hostile...

http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/thread/1212677743/last-1212746712/Off+Topic+-+Creepy+User

Wahaika (who is a great source of information) has been attacked there a few times too. Seems like any man, or any person who looks into facts and science for answers rather than dowsing, rumours and psychics will make themselves rather unpopular if they post their views over there... it is amazing how many women are prepared to believe anything because "someone posted it somewhere" with no source for the info at all.