I decided to pluck up the courage to try a C-cup on. I found a lovely lace thing with underwire and no padding and it fitted perfectly. When I've got a bit more money, I'll get a few of those in different colours. :-)YAY!!!

I just ordered some more Bovine Ovary. I want to be a D!

Way to grow Fennel!

Just curious - have you had any negative side effects on the BO? Namely body fat moving into unwanted places.

I am on a break from all herbs right now and considering where to go from here. My program so far has given me an inch up top and about 4 inches in the rear. Not exactly the ratio I was looking for... lol.

I am looking for a low estrogen route through NBE. Has BO been that for you? I am confused by what little I can find about BO as to whether it has an estrogenic or progesteronic effect in the body.

Thanks,
waxingmoon

About body fat moving into unwanted places... No, I can't say that the BO has made me any chubbier. :-)

Bovine Ovary will only be "low estrogen" if you are on a low dose. Ovaries produce both progesterone and estrogen so the BO capsules would contain both of these hormones.

I am on the DNE brand and each capsule is 500mg of Ovary. I have no idea how much of hormones you actually get from that though. I take 3 capsules a day and have been so for some time now, not going to ramp up since I get tingles on this dose. It's hard to say if BO is low or high in estrogen though.

Yay! Lucky you!!

Careful now Fennel, next thing you know you'll end up with back problems from lugging those whoppers around!

I'm set for a few months, http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w279/Mortica_Addams/bo.jpg

Plus there's a half a bottle in the kitchen, that one is my second bottle so far.

In my case, I can say for 100% certain that fat is shifting around to new places.
Overall, my skin feels totally different. Not totally female like but darn sure not male like either.
Of course it's still early in for me. My legs are looking really, really feminine now, my thighs are getting bigger around, my arms are soft (no muscles visible) etc and my butt is getting soft, I can try to tighten my butt up but it's like totally soft and jiggly no matter how tight I try to make it. Just lie a proper female butt..
I can not "make a muscle" and cause any muscle to be visible on my body. My muscles have pretty much gone away.
The other day I had to carry a 22lb bag of dog food into my house and I felt strained doing it. I was thinking "Damn this is heavy" and by the time I got it into the kitchen I was wimping out.

Of course there's also breast development but it seems sort of slow to me. I haven't really gained any in cup size, but it seems like they are sort of filling in a little, "plumping up" if you will. Sometimes I think nothing is going on with my tits and I get discouraged but I have to stop and realize that it's not just about my tits only, there's stuff going on all over with me.

I also have never found any of those protein drinks everyone talks about. They just don't carry anything like that at the grocery stores here. I guess I'll HAVE to take a trip to Walmart. I HATE Walmart. Maybe though if I get some of that stuff it will help.

Currently I take 7 caps of BO a day. Two when I wake up, two around dinner time and three before bed.
I *think* I've felt one or two mild tingles a few times but I am not sure it wasn't just my shirt catching on a rouge hair. :(

I think I've been on the BO now for a little over a month.

I have not seen or felt any dramatic effects. I have noticed *subtle* effects and changes.
Also, when I was doing the herbals, I was having wild and radical emotional ups & downs.
Since going to the BO, emotionally, it's been a pretty flat ride, rather boring to be honest. I almost feel emotionless.

Still, despite temptation, I think I'll stick to the slow and steady path for awhile and see what happens.
While I *want to be* 100% female YESTERDAY, I know that's not possible. Besides, suddenly blossoming out overnight like a mushroom would alarm everyone around me. I have to sneak it in slowly on people over time.
I've been working on my voice and running it up the scale a little. My neighbors are starting to look at me funny now I'll bet, I holler at my dogs in a much higher voice, there's no hair left on my face (I've plucked it totally clean) and when the wind blows my shirt just right, there's a definite bit of tit showing through. So far, no one has said anything but I'm keeping a buffer zone between myself and anyone else. I make sure to stay 20-30 feet away or more so people can't really "inspect me" closely.

Bottom line, is BO working for me? Um, well, I guess so. I haven't had any big breast gains since going to it but overall I believe that it's basically feminizing me overall. I'll stick with it and see, I've laid in a supply to carry me a few months.
We shall see.


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Bovine Ovary is real estrogen and progesterone, so it will give you the overall body effect I guess. But it is a steady but slow process, not a rollercoaster ride as it is with herbs, where you grow and stall, cleanse, re-start, grow again and stall etc... Herbs were giving me migraines. I feel a lot better on BO.

Thank you Fennel, it's reassuring to hear your input on this which I value greatly.

Also, I just want to clarify one thing so no one get's confused or upset.

My voice is NOT changing because of anything I'm taking. Not at all, never will. Sadly.

It is changing because I'm working on developing a female voice through practice.
I have been doing a LOT of research into this subject and I found lots of info.
I also just ordered a set of discs that were written by TS women for TS women that help
you develop your voice into something that works and passes.
Survival Kit: Voice Pack --> http://www.genderlife.com/shop/transsexual_voice_feminization_video/ts_voice.htm

I have heard several before and after audio clips and it's amazing what one can do when one knows HOW to do it.

I also will likely have surgery somewhere along between now and then to help me, it's called
"Thyrohyoid elevation surgery" (that is the correct spelling) where they basically raise your voice box about an inch up your neck.
It's safe because they don't touch your vocal cords and it's not as traumatic a surgery.
Recovery is rapid and results are really very surprising.
Cost is not bad either. Around $5,000.
Here's a small page where a doc talks about it, http://www.voicedoctor.net/surgery/th.html
There's another procedure that can be done at the same time that adjusts some muscles in the voice box area, again without touching the vocal cords. These procedures seem to be pretty safe and low risk and the benefits seem to be great.
When I win the lotto, you can count on me having these done too.
Until then though, I'll have to depend on the voice training. Too bad hormones can't fix this.
Transmales get a deeper voice from their hormones. No fair!



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congrats! i'm jealous...lol

yay, well done Fennel, you must be so happy:)

I have grown another inch since last month. I now measure 39 inches around my bust. YIPPEEEE!!!!!! Still a 36C in UK and US measurements but a 80D in european standard, which is used where I live. C fits well though. Thank you Bovine Ovary!

Ooooooooooo! I am soooooo jealous!

Congratulations!!


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Hey Fennel, Congrats and well done! Will growth stay if you go off BO or is it something you will continue to take at a lower dosage when you have reached you goal?

I think I will take a low dose for maintenance for a month or so after I am done. Don't think one has to do that with BO though since it is estrogen but who knows. I will anyway.

Fennel, where do you get the bovine from?

I get it from DNE vitamins.

Hi Fennel, is it this:
http://dnevitamins.com/item.asp?PID=199

That's the stuff.. ( . )( . )


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Oh MY!Moonstruck, I just couldnt stop laughing at your June 24th post describing your body changes.Im NOT laughing at you Im laughing with you because,I have been thinking the same things about myself.
I keep stopping and looking at my body because its different every few days,and when I notice things like you do I just laugh,ITS SO hilarious that Im changing so quick.AND I LOVE IT!
I keep thinking,>Im really looking like a girl<,its like I keep getting surprised that its actually happening so well.
Ive always had a feminine body structure,bones and musculature but couldnt keep the fat on my body.I naturally tend to accumulate fat in the typical female areas.Its just hard to keep it on.
These characteristics are due to myself being intersexed.Im like a cross up of male and female;sex organs are like something from both sides,I dont know exactly what all internally I have going on,but from what I know of male bodies,I dont think that its standard equipment.
My heart/soul and mind are female.I know you know what Im talking about.
The part about carrying stuff,HAHA!OH GEEZ! Thats me.I never was very strong anyway.
Dont get me started on my butt and hips.(they're getting quite nice-hee)
Anyway,Ive been wanting to try the BO.Ive been on herbals for only a month,and now I want to, ehem.."expand" into some glandulars.Im just doing some research on them to see what else I need to do to prepare for taking them.
If anyone wants to talk about stuff,just "ring" me up,I have some questions for yall also,about your changes.