it infuriates me that people automaticaly think that transgendered m2f are gay. i was looking at some of the comments on youtube transgendered videos and tthen there are shows like jerry springer that puts on the freakiest of the freaks.. just pisses me off!!
Ignorance. The US is FULL of ignorant morons.
Especially the right wing christian nut jobs.
I suppose that to be technical about it, all TG m2f start out life in a male body.
Most are attracted to men, which is NORMAL for females. But people don't see past the
outer shell. They see a male body and that's it. Case closed. To hell with what's going on inside.
The world demands that everyone conform to THEIR viewpoint of the world.
So when they see a male body they demand that you be 100% male, inside and out. Period.
NO deviation is permitted under any circumstances what so ever.
Any deviation from the defined standards is considered to be perverted and everyone screams "FAG!" (in the US fag=gay, not cigarette)
The world does not give a rat's ass about your feelings or emotions psychological well being. They demand that you think and feel inside the way THEY say you should. Yeah? Well who's f***ing died and made you GOD?
The thought police are everywhere. Everyone is a thought police secret agent. Everyone watches and looks and observes and judges you. And everyone, everyone tells you "Be this way, think this way, dress this way, live this way."
Anyway, according to these rules laid out by EVERYONE ELSE, someone in a male body that's attracted to men IS gay, period.
To hell with the fact that the person inside that body happens to be female.
How many times have people parroted that stupid old saying, Don't judge a book by it's cover? Billions of times.
Everyone says it but no one lives it. Me included. I drive around and look at peoples homes.
It's a shell with someone living in it. Right? Right. Ok. So I see a big million dollar house. What do I assume about the person living inside? Rich. Of course. Snotty? Probably. "Better than thou"? Probably. Ah, here we go, judging the person inside by looking at what the live inside of... Ok, let's drive over to my neighborhood.
Ah, there's those folks three doors over. I don't know them. But look at that yard would you! Trash all over the yard, weeds growing everywhere, looks like they mow it once a year and only when the city threatens them. Xmas lights still strung up around the house and it's July. Oh, and 27 newspapers laying in the driveway and yard, all wet and half of them run over by the car because they won't pick them up. Hmmmm... Obviously WHITE TRASH lives in that house.. Uh oh! Another judgment call based on an observation of the shell this person lives inside. No considering the possibility that the person inside might be elderly and unable to care for the outside of the place they live inside of.
The point is, the world judges everyone and everything by first impressions according to what they see at first glance.
Judgment calls are made in milliseconds, and almost always in ignorance. How can anyone possibly know what's inside just by looking at the outside? It's not possible. Just like school boys putting playboy magazines inside normal school book covers so they can sit and gawk at what's inside while everyone else sees the cover and thinks it's something else.
People are stupid and shallow. Always have been, always will be. Ignorance is dangerous. It breeds hatred and violence and it propagates more ignorance. I say stupid people should not be permitted to reproduce. Stupid people spawn stupid children.
This world cries out for more intelligence.
That SETI thing? The "Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence" thing? Yeah, I'm all for that. But really, we need to start a
"Search for TERRESTIAL Intelligence".. Ya know what I mean?
most people think that tg (m2f) wants to be with a guy and not even take into consideration any real sexual orientation. we are no different than most people. i saw a study somewhere about tg and the corelation holds up. our sexual preference follows the same pattern as "normal people".
if i wanted dick that bad, i would just keep my own. deep down inside, i don't want that.
when it comes right down to it, i will probably just grow breasts (36B that i can hide in public), do what i want in the privacy of my home and just wish that i come back as a female in my next life.
I too consider myself to be lesbian because I like women. A lot.
But in my case, I can't just be "a little female".. That just won't work for me.
If it was just about having sex it would be a lot easier to just put on a dress and go give blowjobs.
Um, no. Not gonna happen. What I do is not for anyone else. No one will ever see me without my clothes on
except me. I likely won't be having any sort of sex except alone. When I do go out into the world
it will be in plain, boring, gender neutral clothes so as to attract as little attention as possible.
I don't want anyone looking at me or being attracted to me. I just want to live alone and be me.
I have to see this all the way through to the end. It's all or nothing, do or die.
If I can't become 100% all the way female I can not continue to live.
Do or die. Literally.
People get confused. It's just like that. Since a lot of gay guys have this really stupid overly-feminine way to act (which is not feminine at all), people automatically think that someone who started off male and then goes female must be gay. It's the gay stereotype effect. A lot of people label women who don't bother much about femininity as dykes too.
Blu-Jay (no login)
Re: why do people think that tg are gay?
June 26 2007, 7:18 AM
That's the biggest misconception that Tg/TS, intersexed or androgynous are gay. I've read several articles about this subject because I wanted to understand why I am the way I am. Most TG/TS girls are not gay,They have no preferance for men. I've also read that some do develope an attraction for men several years down the road after SRS. Why this happens I don't know and I couldn't find a real explaination for it. I did find the occasional TG/TS psychological profiles.They said that a large number of TG/Ts girls are very intelligent,with good jobs or had good jobs eg: some lawyers,docs.,busisness people,computer programers, teachers and so on. The vast majority of people don't understand anything about TG/TS girls because this sort of thing is Taboo to many people (religous)and is not mentioned in schools to educate people about these things. You would have to take a course in psychology or major in sex ed. Even the Medical community aren't experianced enough to treat Tg/TS with the proper hormone regimens or other problems they might have. You would have to go to a doc. that specializes in TG/Ts Issues and there aren't very many of them around.
So if someone says or thinks that TG/TS are Gay, Tell them that they should Educate themselves about this issue before they open their Yaps. There's all kinds of info about this, in books,The internet and librarys.
So don't get upset over their ignorance!
Not once in my life did I ever consider myself to be "gay".. I never have been attracted to men, ever.
The thought repulses me to be honest. I simply do not like men, don't like being around them, have nothing in common with them and really just would rather they go away to another planet and leave this one for the women.
Send them all to the moon for all I care.
On another forum I frequent, several of the girls there say that they too had always been "translesbians" but they surprised themselves a few years after SRS and some got boyfriends and now are transitioning their sexual preference from women to men.
Ugh. I can't see that happening to me. But then again, you never know. Several girls suggested watching some porn and trying to put yourself into the various roles then think on that for awhile.
Ok, so I did that. There was some porn on satellite, something about lingerie which is something that I love a lot so I tuned in to it for a "test drive"... As I watched for awhile I tried to imagine being the woman in the video. And the thought came to me, "I wish I could spread my legs like that and get jack hammered like that!"... And I tried to imagine myself doing all the other stuff she was doing and I could picture myself doing so. But then I realized, hey, there's a male attached to that penis and he's likely an piece of crap and that just turned me totally off to the whole idea. I guess that's one of the reasons I'm attracted to your classic "she-male" aka non-op transsexual. They are women but they just have a different plumbing arrangement. That, I could handle.
Like I always say, "If you're female I don't care what's in your panties." Either way is fine with me. Women can have "inies" or "outies" as far as I'm concerned. But men? No thanks. I even considered a TS female to male such as Buck Angel. Nope. A man with a twat is still a man with a twat. Doesn't do anything for me.
Being trans-lesbian technically does make me "gay" in the strictest sense, but only if you consider what's INSIDE and not what's outside. Right now, it doesn't really matter anyway because I'm not going to be in any relationships so who cares what I think.
And considering that right now I'm currently occupying a mixed-gender body, I am in a state of limbo.
I'm what Kate Bornstein refers to as a "Gender Outlaw" http://www.katebornstein.com/KatePages/indexkb.htm
"i saw a study somewhere about tg and the corelation holds up. our sexual preference follows the same pattern as "normal people". "
I am confused and am not sure what a "normal pattern" means in this context. Are you saying that it would be "normal" - majority, that is - for most men who become a woman to still prefer woman sexually?
I have read that the vast majority of men who like to dress in women's underwear are heterosexual. Is this true for men who like to dress completely female also? How about men who would go further, like the men on this Forum? Most of the men who responded to this question would become a 100% lesbian. But the sample size is small - is this typical?
My perspective is that of a man who worships the female body, finds the female body infinitely sexy, and finds the male body completely boring. So of course if I were ever to become female I would become a lesbian.
Well, this is one of those things that befuddles the world.
Every "expert" will have some point of view on the matter.
But in the end, f*** em and what they say or think. You know?
Here's this thing. I occupy a male body. Well, it appears to be male at first glance but that's changing.
Anyway, if you go by the plumbing arrangement only, legally, I'm still male.
And I prefer females. That would in a technical sense make me heterosexual.
But, that all flies out the window when one goes beyond outward appearances and delves into the inner being.
Inside, I'm female. That's what my brain tells me. And going by that, since I like females, that makes me a lesbian.
Another thing that really sets off the TILT lights. I recognize that there is more than just male & female, that there are many variations of the two and several in between. I recognize that there are people that are BOTH genders simultaneously and
exhibit physical characteristics of both sexes. The world typically refers to them as "shemales" which is nothing more than a pre-op transsexual. Some girls choose to remain non-op and keep their birth plumbing. Fine with me. I don't have any problem at all with that. I still consider them to be female. Everything about them is female except that one private thing that no one knows.
I'm also attracted to these women too. Hey, they're women as far as I'm concerned. But the rest of the world does not see them that way, not at all. Some right wing, bible thumping, nut job would call me a homosexual for that. Whatever. I call them dangerous and a blight on the face of mankind. (The bible thumping nut jobs that is)..
It's a no win situation that depends on POINT OF VIEW... Your point of view will ALWAYS differ from my point of view.
Also, about crossdressing. There's a lot of MEN that enjoy wearing women's clothes. Some do it just because they like to. Some do it for sexual thrills. MOST of them are totally 100% heterosexual, they just enjoy something that right wing, bible thumping, nut jobs consider taboo and the ultimate sin. The right wing, bible thumping, nut jobs call these men homosexuals but they are nothing of the sort. That's because the right wing, bible thumping, nut jobs are just ignorant dipsticks living in the very, very distant past.
In my case, I don't consider myself a crossdresser. First off, I rarely wear women's clothes. I actually outgrew that. When I was a teen, I got off to it but still, there was much more to it than that. But now, I mostly wear gender neutral clothes. I wear jeans and sneakers and a T-shirt that any woman could just as easily wear. Just plain and simple earth tones. Nothing outlandish, nothing that stands out. Just gender neutral. Even after I've fully transitioned to 100% female (after SRS) I'll still wear the same type clothes because I don't like standing out or being noticed. I don't want to attract attention.
At best, someone may look at me and think, "Geez, that's one ugly bitch!" and I'll be fine with that because they will see me as female but won't have any desire to approach me. Stay the hell away please. Make up? I doubt I'll do much of that either.
It's a pain in the ass and it's messy. Plus, I sweat like a pig and it would be all over my shirt in five minutes.
So I'll just be a plain Jane.
Anyway, as to me wearing women's clothes, I don't consider that to be crossdressing because in *my* mind, I'm female.
Time has proven that out along with deep introspection, reflection and a battery of gender identity tests.
What the world sees though is something very different. And I have to play up to their expectations if I am to survive long enough to reach my goals. Because the head sitting on these shoulders appears to be mostly male, I have to play that role.
It pains me deeply but it's what I must do for now. I will have FFS to correct that problem and after that, I can really begin to tip the scales in my favor, people should begin to see me as female in appearance and they will expect me to speak, behave, dress the part. Fine with me. That's what I want. I don't want to be a freak show, I don't want to be seen as "some guy in drag"...
I would rather put a bullet in my head than live that way. For me, it's 100% female or nothing at all. Do or Die.
Last year I tried to fool myself and I had told myself I could live with being just a little female. Ha! Right.
I can't fight it. I've tried and it's pretty much destroyed me. So I now move forward with what must be.
As an intersexed/TG,my preferences are that Im attracted to both sexes.
I have always considered myself Bi,but I am attracted to men because i also have a desire for being pregnant and having kiddos.I have a complicated heart/mind/body thang......
I have felt like this about pregnancy since I was little.I know its weird.
Its really crushing all the time to know that I cant ever have children like I want to do,because of the crappy deal that I got in this lifetime.
I am attracted to women,but I had finally realized awhile back that its mostly because I deeply desired to be one.
I feel like Im supposed to be female.
I have a mixed up hormonal setup from birth,so Im sure that has something to do with why Im attracted to guys too.
It just makes me cry sometimes,because I feel like Im so screwed up.
My best preference choice would be someone like me,that is sort of androgynous/feminine and wanting to be more female.As much as possible without butchering my body up too much.
I would like to get some facial reconstruction and that throat surgery sounds like a good thing. I keep changing my mind about the castration thing,I want to...then I dont want to. The odd thing is I really like my penis.My gonads are small anyway,so I really dont know why I need them.I guess to keep my ability to use my penis I guess.And there are some other health issues about having them,as far as thyroid problems.
Lots of girls keep their "outie" plumbing.
I'm lucky enough to have a satellite channel that plays a lot of tranny porn, aka "she-male" porn.
I've seen some gorgeous gals on there. Some of them are just soooo fine, oh dear......
Some of them are not, I've seen plenty of girls that had botched up boob jobs and or
some that just barely pass. I've seen some with no tits, flat as a board with the only female
attributes being hairless body and a pretty face (oh and long hair).. To the them on the street you
would think they were just another pretty girl but with no clothes on they actually don't look very female anymore. Maybe they are just starting their journey and haven't been on moans long enough yet to grow tits.
Still, despite what's in the panties (or not) isn't all that important if you feel you are a woman and you live your life as a woman. How many people see you naked per day? Not many I would bet. People see *the rest of you* and according to what they see is how they categorize you.
Whatever the case, the point I'm trying to make is, there's no law that says you have to have anything lopped off, you can keep what you were born with and still be a woman. Some people are perfectly comfortable being female with male plumbing and a lot of them revel in it. Hey, good for them! I'm glad that they are can be happy with their bodies and that life is balanced for them. One thing to consider though, and this is pretty much universal, without having SRS, all of your ID cards, birth certificate, DL, bank accounts, passport, etc. will say "MALE" on them... Can you live with that? Being a woman and having to go around flashing ID that says MALE and that has a MALE NAME on it? Gods forbid you ever get picked up by the police for anything and taken to jail with that M on your ID. You'll be thrown to the dogs and that's a horror you don't even want to think about.
The thing is, you have to decide what's right for YOU, not the rest of the world because it's YOU that has to live with and in the body you're in, not anyone else.
Ok, I confess.. I'm a total, flaming gay-ass lesbian tranny.
I totally got off like nothing else today to hot chik pix.
I'm naughty. Spank me. Several times.
Back in the seventies, when I had this secret thing about wanting to be female I had doubts about my sexuality. Back then we didn't have all the info. we have now. Eg: internet, forums where you could talk and learn about these things. So my desire to be female made me think I might of been gay. Now I know that isn't the case because I've always had fulfilling relationships with biological females,Physically and mentally.
I do think and believe that I could have a relationship with a trans girl,pre op or post op. I know what they are or were, so that raises the old question again. Am I? or is it because they are more female that,that would make it more acceptable to me?
Boy Im screwed up! If I became female and were attracted to females, that would make me lesbian. That's also gay.
The meaning of GAY- Webster's dictionary:
1.Homosexual
2.having or showing a lively mood; merry
3.Bright or showy:gay colors
4.a homosexual person, esp. a male
There it is. Hehehe, we're gay, no matter how you look at it.
That's pretty much where I stand on it all.
I ****LOVE**** women. A lot. All day long, every day. I soooo deeply envy them in every way.
I love watching girl on girl porn because I like to imagine myself as one of them.
I would totally love to do lesbian sex, as a full female with a bio female. Equal. Female on female.
And with any luck one day I will.
I also am attracted to transsexual pre-op women. I watch "tranny porn" and I like it, a lot.
Just as much as I like bio women, I like tranny women. Big deal.
If a transswoman is happy with her penis and lives as a woman and chooses to keep her original plumbing, so what? The only place that matters is in the bedroom with her partner.
I'm not talking about drag queens or CD/TV sissies or any of that stuff. I'm talking about people that have fully transitioned to female except that they choose not to have the surgery and live with their penis.
Ignoring the unseen penis which they usually tuck and can easily pass even wearing a bikini, everything else about them is female. Some of them run around flaunting the fact that they are trannies, most do not. Most of them you would never have a clue, even if you saw them on the beach in a teeny bikini.
I would have no problem at all dating a TS girl. Wouldn't bother me, as long as she lives her life as a woman and blends in like any other woman.
Would I have sex with her? You bet I would. And I would love it, every steamy bit of it.
Recently, and I guess this is one of the things about hormones, my mind has begun to open up to new thought patterns that previously I fought to ignore all my life. A lot of the post op girls suggest that you watch several genres of porn for a while and try to honestly think about whether you could be in those roles.
Ok, so that sounded like good advice. And I did just that. And a strange thing happened.
I was craving c*ck. I was lusting for it and it got me hot and bothered. I wanted to crawl into the screen and push those bitches aside and get me some. I was HUNGRY for it.. Wow!
The weird thing is, I hate men. Really. I don't like men at all. I don't like anything about them, I don't like to be around them, don't like to listen to them, don't like anything they like, I find their hairy bodies to be vulgar and disgusting and their behavior to be loathsome. And the way men treat women, oh don't get me started on that! But, they have the c*ck. Mmmmm... I would like to bl*w some and get banged good and hard after I have my surgery but I'm having trouble with the man part of the penis. Like I said before, a man can ruin a perfectly good penis just by being attached to it. I guess that's why I like transwomen, you get the penis without the man.
There's one very rare type of woman that's so perfect, so wonderful that I would do anything to be her lover. A true hermaphrodite. I've seen some hermaphrodites that were just sooo beautiful that you couldn't believe it, I mean they were gorgeous. And they had both a perfect female kitty and a perfect penis and both were totally functional. Their bodies were gorgeous, pure female and nothing less. But they were blessed with fully functioning sex organs of both genders. Oh. My. Gawd. What I wouldn't give....
It's a shame that everyone isn't a hermaphrodite. The world would be a perfectly balanced place.
No hate, no envy, no male or female, just beautiful people that can love anyone without hangups.
You could make your own babies, you could f**k yourself for real! Just imagine!
Sigh... But, back to reality.. The world is what it is and we have to make the best out of what we have.
I'm now working on expanding my options, trying to let loose of my old thougth processes and boundaries and I'm learning to think and see and feel in new ways that were closed off to me before.
Estrogen is a mind altering drug. Really. It's opened my mind up and I feel a little of my burdens are now maybe a little lighter now. I guess it's because I'm beginning to accept that yes, I'm really female and because of that acceptance of fact that I'm allowing my mind to explore new things and experience new emotions.
Sometimes this is scary, but that's beginning to lessen as I progress. Confidence is a new experience for me too. I never had any before and now it's trying to sneak it's way into my life. Estrogen is also for some reason causing me to lose some of my inhibitions lately. That and a little help from a good friend.. :)
Damn. What can I say? Estrogen. If I had only been born with the right body..
If I had only gone on the moans 25 years ago..
I can see where this is taking me. Estrogen is taking me down the path of freedom.
It's freeing my body and it's freeing my soul. I f**king love it!
Mind altering drug!!!HAHA! I was always attracted both ways.
I just denied myself for a long time like through HS.
Ive always been emotional also. Its just now I seem to be moreso.....Like a hair trigger on my weeping when I hear sad news about little kids or just sad things in general about people.
Ive never been masculine in thought or action,or body of course.
Ive always thought feminine, I just thought it was normal,no one tried to teach me anything else.Im glad my parents were so "teach by example",they didnt try to micromanage my personality and all.
I know I dont act like a guy does,but no one seems to care.
Anyway,we were talking in my androgyne tribe on Tribes about how we can change our preferences depending on who were dealing with at the time.
Like,if we happen to get attracted to a guy then our brains shift into that mode and same for a woman our minds sort of shift into that mode to be open to communicating with whichever gender it is.
Although,for quite awhile Ive been in my wanting guy mode.
I actually have cycles monthly where I get really horny and want to seek sex with a guy. I dont know,thats just the way I am.
