I expect people to offer constructive comments about the Bonar golf swing;and, not to argue for the sake of argument. If the moderator or forum member believes that another forum member is not following these simple forum rules, please email me or the forum moderator. The two of use will make a decision about dealing with that individual.
If posts of trolls are deleted,no mention of it will be made on the forum. Also,if a forum member mentions it, that post will be removed as well.
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We do not have trolls on this forum. We have people who post,but whose posts are then deleted without mention, and other members don't mention the deleted posts either;if a member mentions the deleted messages,their posts are deleted. Please see the link in my post above.
This message has been edited by bob2aa from IP address 220.127.116.11 on Mar 22, 2007 8:18 AM
some took offence due to the lack of posting now. Sometimes you're going to have a post that nobody agrees with, I don't think it's a good idea to delete due to not agreeing. My wife doesn't always agree with me, I don't delete her. I just quit listening to her.
I agree that as long as you are civil to one another and the discussion is about golf...fine. I believe also that even if you do NOT agree with AJ and have legitamate arguements that his concept is wrong it should be allowed to be discussed.
In contrast Peter on the SA forum deletes what ever he wants in order to support his view. He says "in this country we have freedom of speach" and then deletes comments that don't side with his way of thinking. A true hypocrite.
I hope this remains a more open to civil discussion.
that when I was taking NG lessons every instructor that I took lessons from was teaching differently. One would say take the club straight back another would say bring the club immediately to the inside in the back swing and so on. I took lessons from many NG instructors so I have a good cross section to compare with.
My buddy, Denver Haddix (who teaches PGA tour member Michael Boyd), is trying to teach me to swing "out-to-in," because I've learned over the years to come too far from the inside on the downswing.
How about that
This is the third stage that AJ teaches, out to in swing while swinging the club down the target line as long as possible with a full release. First stage is slicers, second stage hookers then the third stage as previously described. Aj told me on the phone that he used to watch Jack Nicklaus hit buckets of balls in Ohio swinging out to in with a full release.
Speaking of Ohio AJ's son lives in Ohio, I'm going make it a must to go see AJ's son for a lesson this year.
There isn't one swing method or teaching method that is a cure all.
Lots of diffent swing thoughts/instruction and they ALL may be effective to some people.
It all depends on what's going on inside your head and how you think/perceive things.
Experimentation with video conformation is a true trial and error method that can find the 'Golden ticket'. Unfortunatly when people try new things it feels 'wierd' to them so they try it once or twice and then quit.They never give themselves a chance to find something new.
For example...I would take a bet that if you had Chazman attempt 4 different swing methods that he has tried and then analyzed them on video you would see little or no difference from one to another. He thinks he is performing the change but really isn't changing anything or very little. He is a good example of one who wants to 'buy' a better swing.This is the reason golf club makers keep marketing new game improvement equipment. Plop down your money and get instant results doesn't usually work in golf. It takes a little effort and sometimes takes more than one bucket of balls to get results.
" He is a good example of one who wants to 'buy' a better swing.This is the reason golf club makers keep marketing new game improvement equipment. Plop down your money and get instant results doesn't usually work in golf."
I think we are all guilty of this to some degree. We rush out to buy the latest driver to give us 10 more yards. We would probably do much better to spend the money on lessons.
Some new things really do work better than the the traditional clubs. Without a doubt,Hybrid clubs are much easier to hit than long irons. I bet 1/2 the pros probably have at least one in their bag.
If a person has constant fear of shanking wedges, the F2 wedges really are impossible to shank.
This message has been edited by bob2aa from IP address 18.104.22.168 on Mar 22, 2007 3:18 PM
Chaz is not the only one that's tried a variety of clubs and swing methods in an effort to conquer this crazy game. As far as swings, through the years I've tried CG, NG, HSS, BGG and a variety of other SA swings. In the last year, I've pretty much settled on Jim Hardy's 1Plane swing, and it is working for me. And as for golf equipment, I've bought and tried more golf clubs than I can count. I've finally realized that you can't continue to change equipment in hopes of finding the perfect set of clubs. After all this equipment effort, I've finally found a set of irons and woods that are working with the Hardy swing. So for now, I will stick with this swing and equipment and just work on improving.
Do you have Jim Hardy's new DVD instructional videos? I'm more suited for Hardy's two plane swing. Jim Hardy on his last video I received says that he doesn't agree with the two plane chip or pitch shot. He only likes the one plane short game. Although Hardy does says that there may be lies where you need a steep swing.
Made a mistake in my post. I'm using the Hardy 2plane swing, not the 1Plane. I tried the 1Plane, but it was just too much like a SA swing. I've never done well with the flatter type swings. I have not seen any of the Hardy videos. I understand that they are very good. The short game video would be a good one for me to start with.
Jim Hardy on his DVD states that he doesn't believe in the two plane chip or pitch shot only the one plane. He does say that some lies require a steep swing such as being in the rough. After viewing Jim Hardy's short game DVD I think AJ teaches an easier method which requires less practice.
I started this forum so that there would be a place for civilized discussion,argument and debate about the Bonar swing.. I didn't start it to be just like the SA forum,only at a different address. Censorship is a bad thing;Feel free to disagree with anything posted here,just keep it civil.