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Ian Brown to support LG at Finsbury park

October 24 2017 at 10:00 AM
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Re: Ian Brown to support LG at Finsbury park

October 24 2017, 2:15 PM 

Squire and mani will be there too. Reni has declined involvement sad.gif

 
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Re: Ian Brown to support LG at Finsbury park

October 25 2017, 11:51 AM 

Can you write up some of Ians new lyrics please, we really had a good laugh reading the Roses ones 😂😂

 
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Re: Ian Brown to support LG at Finsbury park

October 25 2017, 12:35 PM 

the lyrics which were leaked and mocked contributed to the lack of new material being released. You will not have to wait too long for the official release, and you will get a right good laugh, the lyrics are hilarious!

 
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Re: Ian Brown to support LG at Finsbury park

October 25 2017, 8:15 PM 

Of course! haha

 
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Re: Ian Brown to support LG at Finsbury park

October 27 2017, 1:16 PM 

There is two stages!

Main headliners: Liam Gallagher, Ian Brown, Richard Ashcroft
Second stage main acts: Kyle Falconer, Jake Bugg, black grape
Others... bootleg beatles, blossoms, vryll society

 
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Re: Ian Brown to support LG at Finsbury park

October 27 2017, 11:09 PM 

I'd be really disappointed if Ian Brown was on this gig - not that I'd be going anyhow but just nah..bet he is though. Also, solo I really hope he doesn't play any Roses tunes - quite looking forward to hearing fresh music from him beyond that.

 
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Re: Ian Brown to support LG at Finsbury park

October 28 2017, 10:53 PM 

Why disapointed? Would be Awesome to have ian there (í got tickets!) Makes a lot of sense for him to do it if asked as Liam is massive and some of his fans may become fans of ian too. I am expecting quality support for this, was expensive for a ticket.

 
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Re: Ian Brown to support LG at Finsbury park

October 29 2017, 12:29 AM 

PS I agree abput the Roses songs being absent from the setlist. Including BT unless he can get Squire on stage to play his solo, that would be more than acceptable happy.gif

 
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Re: Ian Brown to support LG at Finsbury park

October 30 2017, 3:29 AM 

be great if it was all the best of all of them...just imagine that
https://youtu.be/255IPCEg2PA

 
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Re: Ian Brown to support LG at Finsbury park

October 30 2017, 7:33 AM 

If you think it'd be amazing for the Stone Roses to support LG then fair play to you 😂😂


 
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Re: Ian Brown to support LG at Finsbury park

November 10 2017, 6:56 AM 

What do Roses fans make of the Morrissey and Vice Vera

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Re: Ian Brown to support LG at Finsbury park

November 10 2017, 6:59 AM 

Im off to see him next year
for the first time


 
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Re: Ian Brown to support LG at Finsbury park

November 10 2017, 4:17 PM 

I was into The Smiths at the time and I still like them now. I started secondary school in 1982 and finished in 1987, meaning The Smiths were more or less perfect for me - all that adolescent angst and what have you. Johnny Marr was ace, but I liked Moz just as much.

I like Viva Hate and a couple of the singles after that, but by that point I'd stumbled upon The Roses, whose ethos was pretty much the opposite of The Smiths. It was like being allowed to enjoy yourself without having to check your brain in at the door.

Johnny Marr with other bands never really grabbed me, apart from the first two Electronic singles. Solo either.

Johnny Marr seems like a decent chap, but who knows? His book was boring. Morrissey seems like a total dickhead. His book was boring in a different way to Marr's. I didn't bother with his novel.

That's me, I don't know if there's much love for The Smiths in general from The Roses' fans or not. In my younger days, when I was in bands, I knew a drummer who was into The Smiths, but that was it. The band I was in for the longest, the rest of them hated The Smiths, a couple were into The Roses. My limited experience was that not many musicians liked The Smiths, which I found odd because Johnny Marr's shit hot. Probably not noodly enough for most guitar players, who tend to show off a bit and like a lot of distortion, I suppose. Maybe that's partly why I love The Roses' first album and can't be arsed with the second at all.


    
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Re: Ian Brown to support LG at Finsbury park

November 10 2017, 4:44 PM 

can't stand anything about the smiths. the image, the sound everything is a turn off. they were apparently an exciting live band, but their recorded output is miserable and 80's sounding. morrissey has just a horrible monotonous vocal delivery and and is one of the most overrated lyricists ever - and marr is a vastly overrated guitarist too. smiths fandom is like a cult from what i can see.

 
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November 10 2017, 6:27 PM 

The 80s thing? Definitely.

On the other hand, it's a double edged sword in some ways. I don't know if you were around in the 80s because the nostalgic view that the media puts out of certain eras tends to be fairly selective.

(The early 90s view of the 1970s was all about disco fashion being allowed back into TopMan and TopShop and Spangles. By the late 90s, people were holding up Public Information films and the grim, miserable reality being shoved in kids' faces - Watership Down, The Water Babies, stuff like that that parents now complain about upsetting their kids if it's on telly now.) What I'm saying is that nostalgia tends to have an agenda.

Take the early 1980s view of the 1960s. The late sixties were pretty much dismissed as "hippy shit". I remember a popular question to ask pop stars was, "Would you wear flares if they came back?" And everyone said "No,". Hence The Roses' flares being a really big deal at the time. I recall wearing a pair of chocolate brown elephant cord parallels in town one afternoon, crossing the road and some kids in a car who were stopped at the crossing shouting, "That kid's got fucking flares on!" Not aggressively, or mocking, so much as being totally astonished that such a thing happening in front of them. It was a really big deal. I know it sounds daft, but England (at least) was a very different place then.

The late fifties - early sixties were very much in vogue in the early 80s. Even in terms of The Beatles, the early mop top stuff was played on the radio and the telly, but there was - as far as I could ascertain at the time - a general perception that they went all weird after about 'Help!'. Girl groups were seen as being alright, too. I'm talking about the relative mainstream here. (The American Paisley Underground thing did spawn a few more psychedelically influenced bands in the mid 80s - XTC doing The Dukes of Stratosphear, for starters. Probably Sgt Pepper coming out on cd in 1987 for the first time saw a big shift towards a reappraisal of psychedelia in the mainstream).

The Cathy Come Home, black and white kitchen sink misery thing saw a big revival in the early - mid 80s - which was the start of The Smiths. Was the misery provided by Thatcher? To a fairly large extent, yes. Cathy Come Home, Saturday Night, Sunday Morning and the Shelagh Delaney stuff had been a big thing and people wanted it fixed. By the 80s, it was very much a situation which a lot of people experienced, tragically, given Ken Loach and the rest holding up a mirror to the country, showing what happened to young people in poverty a couple of decades earlier.

To be honest, black and white was a big thing in general - have a look at a lot of pop videos from the 1980s - that overexposed monochrome look was everywhere. Every Breath You Take by The Police; Wonderful Life by Black and about a million more.

Also, you could get James Dean t shirts in Debenhams, t shirts with old Russian graphics on them were quite popular. This is what normal people bought. It wasn't an underground thing you had to look around for. Lots of black and white stuff was still on telly. The 80s TV wasn't all about Noel Edmonds and Swap Shop, mainly it was repeats on the telly. I watched exactly the same kids programmes as my Mam and Dad had gone to the pictures to see when they were kids. Flash Gordon serials, Harold Lloyd, Charlie Chaplin, Laurel and Hardy. That was the holiday telly. That and Elvis films. There was new telly, but not a lot of it.

What I'm getting at was that The Smiths - to an extent - hit a lot of notes that rang in harmony with the zeitgeist of the time.

I think Johnny Marr left not entirely because he was sick of Moz (although I think that'd be good enough reason by itself) I think he saw that the landscape was changing and the late sixties were being revived as the decade wore on.

I did love Moz, but psychedelic he ain't. The Smiths could hardly have continued without being entirely anachronistic.

Even The Roses caught the arse end of the shit 80s sound. Chorus pedals on the guitars put your music firmly in a certain era - From about the time of The Police up to about The Roses, taking in plenty of goth.

Crappy as The Seahorses were, at least Squire used a Leslie speaker instead of a chorus pedal.

The Smiths following is a bit of a cult. Moz's voice puts a lot of people off and I can dig that. He's also been a total dickwad for years and years. Marr's not done anything I've particularly enjoyed since the early 90s. Nothing to get excited about, anyway. But The Smiths represent something very specific and The Roses don't. Maybe that's good or maybe it's bad.

If you meet some angsty youths of any era, The Smiths are likely to appeal. A bit like Catcher In The Rye. Fucking ace when you're a teenager, not so much when you're older. The Roses aren't mired in teenage angst and probably have a bit more universal appeal, in terms of not having such rough edges as Moz's voice and lyrics.

The Smiths were monochrome - look at the sleeves. The Roses were technicolour - the sleeves are a bit of an obvious contrast to The Smiths, aren't they?

Colour seems better in general, but some things are best in monochrome.

I like both, personally.


    
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Marr

November 10 2017, 7:06 PM 

Is an awesome guitarist and anyone who thinks otherwise has shit ears. Morrissey is a quirky character and all but he feels like he’s in the wrong band with his poncey schtick. A better singer they’d have been much better.

 
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Re: Marr

November 10 2017, 7:21 PM 

I'm with you on Marr - and Moz, to an extent. I think they might have been more universal with someone else, but that's not really what they were about.

I know he's a total nobhead and his voice puts people off, but I think The Smiths are all about the disenfranchised, the lonely and the melancholic - including Marr's playing. There's plenty of melancholy in the guitar playing. My Dad would occasionally stick his head round my bedroom door and say, "Bloody hell, are you listening to this bloody dirge again?" He was under the impression that I played one song continually and I didn't. It was mainly The Smiths, though.

I saw them live once - it was mental. Maybe it was because I was young and didn't have much experience at gigs, but maybe not. I've not been to a gig since that was as fanatically received as that since, though. Not even The Roses.

That Moz is now a dick doesn't colour my enjoyment of The Smiths though.

I wouldn't go and see them if they reformed, either.

 
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Re: Marr

November 10 2017, 10:12 PM 




I really like the Smiths upto and including Meat Is Murder, i like the over earnest twangy bass runs and Morrissey’s funny way with words, the Kirk Brandon quiffs and white socks. The drumming was a bit like my arse, especially on the Hatful compilation. After this era, apart from a few singles, they seemed to try a bit too hard and for me it all got a bit boring.

I don’t think Morrissey is a full shilling and Marr seems happy enough meeting his own heroes. Morrissey has done some ace solo singles.

 
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Re: Marr

November 11 2017, 11:18 AM 

The Smiths are legendary.

Moz solo was great when he had that rockabilly band backing him up. Now he's very hit and miss with more misses lately.

Marr has done some great stuff with other bands - THE THE, Modest Mouse, etc... Not keen on his solo stuff but he does pretty good when he;s doing Smiths tunes live.

 
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