<< Previous Topic | Next Topic >>Return to Index  

AOKGB Firefly...Sir Thomas's Mount, ...Part 2......

June 26 2012 at 10:31 PM
  (Login Allan31)
HyperScale Forums
from IP address 108.82.239.219

I mentioned in my last post that SirThomas wanted rockets fitted to his aircraft, seems his idea became very popular...

[linked image]

Simm Anthea and Sir Thomas worked around the clock along with the Fairey engineers and their efforts exceeded everyone's expectations.

Calculations were done, measurements made and then the cutting began...

[linked image]

I used as much plastic from the kit as I could. I cut and swapped things around on top.

[linked image]

Then brought in the tail.

[linked image]

Moran felt the elevators would be a bit heavy on the stick so close to the CG so while the Fairey chaps cut and moved back the horizontal stabilizers, Simm relieved the elevators to clear the rudder. Everyone agreed that the wings would be fine in span but should be fixed in the extended position, eliminating the folding mechanisms and thereby eliminating even more weight.

[linked image]

Much bondo and putty to smooth things along.

[linked image]

A coat of Tamiya primer to see where we stand.

[linked image]

Another go at the wing roots with the putty and I think we're good.

[linked image]

[linked image]

I've been assured by surviving Fairey engineers that this is almost exactly as they remember it leaving.

[linked image]

Thanks,
Allan

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

Multiple Mosquito Build, 1/72: Intro Part 1 Part 1.5 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Part 5 Part 6 Part 7 Part 8 Fini

Fathers Day A6M2: Intro Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Part 5 Part 6 Finish

Airfix Stuka 1/72: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Part 5 Part 6 Part 7 Finish

Airfix Hurricane 1/72: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Part 5 Part 6 Part 7 Part 8 Finish

Airfix Orion III: Build Tutorial Finish

 
 Respond to this message   
AuthorReply

(Login gcarter17)
HyperScale Forums
124.183.163.26

Seriously silly Allan - but I love it! Great 'technical' thought

June 26 2012, 11:55 PM 

going into the design. I believe an old mate of mine, Sir Bartholemew Smith-Smythe was instrumental in the redesign of the rear horizontal surfaces.

 
 Respond to this message   


(Select Login CSMO)
HyperScale Forums
173.22.156.217

I can just picture Biggles boring holes in the sky in his Fairey Firebug.

June 27 2012, 12:22 AM 

You were born a little late. If you had been born back in the '20s you may well have had a future as a boffin in somebody's aeroplane works, designing the next "world-beater" fighter or bomber. Adios, Larry.

Field Artillery brings dignity to what otherwise might be merely a vulgar brawl.

 
 Respond to this message   

(Login MalcolmMcKay)
HyperScale Forums
202.161.26.234

Unsurprisingly resembles a Blackburn Firebrand >

June 27 2012, 1:55 AM 


 
 Respond to this message   
Adrian
(Login AdrianMF)
HyperScale Forums
212.113.209.134

Looks good!

June 27 2012, 9:05 AM 

But the rear visibility looks a bit restricted without a navigator to spot for you. I guess Sir Thomas didn't expect anything would be creeping up behind him. You could add portholes...

Regards,
Adrian

 
 Respond to this message   


(Select Login CSMO)
HyperScale Forums
173.22.156.217

Cure for rear visibility problems

June 27 2012, 9:28 AM 

Sir Thomas or his faithful minion could go down to the DIY centre for a pair of those outsize wing mirrors that you use to tow a caravan and bungee them on to his canopy sills. End of problem. Adios, Larry.

Field Artillery brings dignity to what otherwise might be merely a vulgar brawl.

 
 Respond to this message   

(Login fightersweep)
HyperScale Forums
86.150.139.176

Looks fast sitting still!

June 27 2012, 11:33 AM 

Hi Allan;

I'm liking this a lot! I'd already had similar thoughts myself, but adding a Bristol Centaurus engine instead.

Mighty fine plastic bashing there. One simply wouldn't know that such a drastic change to the airframe has occurred. Old school kit bashing at it's finest!

Regards;
Steve

 
 Respond to this message   

Dan Smith
(Login NinetyThirdLiberator)
HyperScale Forums
66.194.72.10

GREAT reading...

June 27 2012, 1:12 PM 

and modeling as usual.

Color schemes, old bean?

Regards,

Dan From Tacoma, Washington USA

 
 Respond to this message   


(Login TeddieP)
HyperScale Forums
64.4.69.110

Excellent Kit Bashing!

June 27 2012, 4:58 PM 

You still have the "eye" for design, Allan! Excellent re-engineering work here - everything looks super smooth under the primer. And you're moving pretty fast on this "fast-mover" of an aircraft! Keep it up, 'ol bean!
Best...Ted...

Current Builds:

Firefly Makeover Pt1

RCAF Trimotor Pt. 1

Postwar RCAF Pt. 1; Postwar RCAF Pt. 2; Postwar RCAF Pt. 3; Postwar RCAF Pt. 4


Tall Tales:
Kanal Kampf: A Spitfire Story
Cold War Incident
The Lucky Mig

Previous WIP Builds:
Mad About Migs; Matilda Makeover; The Big Spit Finish; Me109 Finish; Vickers Tank Finish; Connies Finish


 
 Respond to this message   


(Login fredcoulson)
HyperScale Forums
203.26.11.97

Great looking build....

June 27 2012, 6:31 PM 

and imagination into the engineering aspects, you have put a lot of lateral thinking into it.

The length of that nose certainly blocks forward vision on the ground, you would need an erk on each wing to give you ground directions.

With the shortened rear fuselage, would you need a higher tail wheel to maintain a slightly less steep angle of the wings and fuselage on the ground?

Its great to see

Fred

 
 Respond to this message   

(Login jkiker)
HyperScale Forums
174.96.16.121

A suggestion, if you please...

June 27 2012, 10:22 PM 

Hi Allan,

I must agree with your mates, this is a fascinating project you have going. Having looked at the Firebrand picture, if it's not to late I might suggest you consider adding a clear fixed section of canopy to your build, rather like the Firebrand or even the Spitfire; it would give the Boss a bit more rearward visibility and I think it might add a bit more balance to the re-design. Submitted for your consideration...

Cheers, Jim

 
 Respond to this message   

(Login jkiker)
HyperScale Forums
174.96.16.121

Ooh! Ooh! Mr Cotter?!

June 28 2012, 3:22 PM 

Hi Allan,

Hope you will not mind another idea. Someone mentioned potential impacts to handling do to the shortened fuselage; nice move to push the horizontal tails back. In the meantime, one way to offset the loss of moment arm for the vertical tail and rudder would be to add contra-rotating props, say from a Spitfire; which might look pretty cool as well.

My two quatloos, Jim

 
 Respond to this message   

(Login cavigi)
HyperScale Forums
188.219.173.210

well done, Outstanding look but

June 28 2012, 7:55 AM 

I am skeptical about shortening the fuselage. Does not it up set the weight balance too much? and how about yaw stability? should not be the finn in the need of being enlarged?

Great looking shape though, let's see she at the flying tests
Cheers
Luigi

 
 Respond to this message   

(Login nonID)
HyperScale Forums
81.108.216.228

The rear fuselage looks about right to me Allan...

June 28 2012, 6:47 PM 

...my understanding is that there was a mooted future development of installing a very early incarnation of the Peason-Molesworth Elektronik Brane (patents pending) in the Navigator's seat to help out with some of the in flight calculations for navigation etc, although the first real bench tests of this apparatus didn't take place until c. 1954....chiz. This much space would certainly have been required for the very early mark 1 version.

Outline design sketch shown below for illustration purposes only....but please don't rely on the dimesions as these are estimates only, worked out without reference to the latest available logarithms at the time.....





[linked image]

Apparently this would have been available earlier, for say 1948, but for the impact of Grimes on the development.

Fantastic looking model by the way, I wish I had thought of it, and I'm sure you are having lots of fun with it.

Hope that helps,

Cheers,

Eddie

 
 Respond to this message   
Current Topic - AOKGB Firefly...Sir Thomas's Mount, ...Part 2......
  << Previous Topic | Next Topic >>Return to Index  


HyperScale's Group Build Guidelines

The objective of this Group Build is to encourage as many modellers as possible to build their kits and share their progress via words and photos on this Forum.

You are welcome to post general construction tips or relevant reference information and photos to this Forum too.

This Group Build will feature Airfix, Frog and Matchbox kits.

  1. Build as many kits as you like

  2. Conversions, aftermarket and scratchbuilding are all permitted.

  3. Any markings are acceptable.

  4. Document your progress and do a write-up on your build - where did you have trouble, what improvements did you make, what markings did you choose and why? It would be GREAT if everyone would do a writeup and submit it to HyperScale as a Feature Article.
     

Posting or replying to messages on The Group Build Forum requires visitors to register. If you have not already registered on one of HyperScale's other Forums, you will need to:

  1. First register with Network 54, the Forum provider.Click here to register with Network 54.

  2. Then, you can sign up for HyperScale's forums. Click here to sign up for HyperScale's forums.

Your user name and password will give you full posting privileges to all of HyperScale Forums.

 

free counters