Posted: 12:15 pm EDT April 3, 2009Updated: 12:43 pm EDT April 3, 2009
BINGHAMTON, N.Y. -- At least four people were shot and several people taken hostage Friday at an immigration services center in Binghamton, N.Y., according to police and news reports.
At least 41 hostages were in the building of the American Civic Association, The Binghamton Press & Sun Bulletin reported. Nearby apartments were being evacuated. Binghamton High School is under a lock-down. The school is a block and a half away from the site.
The condition of those shot wasn't immediately clear. A spokeswoman at Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital in Binghamton confirmed that a student from Binghamton University was being treated at the emergency room. Spokeswoman Linda Miller said she didn't know the nature of the injuries.
I haven't seen any video. Is there blood in the streets? Otherwise, what's your point? BTW, mayors, and reporters for that matter, seldom know their own butts from a firearm.
I will never, never understand why people believe that any gun laws could prevent wackos and criminals from using them for carnage.
Because in speaking out, they win the Outrage Award, a form of coolness not unlike a lapel ribbon. It simply means that they are a more sensitive, caring, and compassionate person than the rest of us. I think it's a self-esteem/quality-of-life thing, or a lack therof.
Lets say someone uses gasoline as a weapon....walks into a school or a place of business or anywhere else and pours gasoline over people and then sets them on fire! Or propane! Or fertilizer and diesel fuel placed into a truck and parked outside a chosen building or site...sound familiar?
Or someone takes a bomb into a place, a bus, a crowded plaza, a school, a government office, a mall, a church and blows themselves and everyone else into small pieces...sounds familiar doesn't it! Guns aren't the problem... people are the problem and nuts and zealots will find a way to kill if that's what they have on their demented minds...there are 6000+ gun laws on the books already! The problem is that there's too many PC idiots making laws that allow nuts and repeat offenders freedom and by having that freedom the ability to kill!
The language of priorities is the religion of Socialism.....Aneurin Bevan
Because in speaking out, they win the Outrage Award, a form of coolness not unlike a lapel ribbon. It simply means that they are a more sensitive, caring, and compassionate person than the rest of us. I think it's a self-esteem/quality-of-life thing, or a lack therof.
Well, as most of you know, I'm more in tune with Carolyn on this issue. I do agree that it is not at all the fault of "guns", but rather the use of them by deranged people that causes the "outrage".
My criticism goes deeper, and that is, that a society that expects to stop violence by killing people (via military pre-emption and capital punishment) is absolutely fooling itself. In other words, guns are inanimate objects, designed to kill, that are used for the unlawful purposes. It is the mindset we teach our young that graduates this shit into carnage. "Guns" have nothing to do with it.
Sociologically and psycholically, it probably also has something to do with population density as well. But, that is a different story.
Other than that, gus seems to be on a "coolness" kick for the past few months...another rendition of the "moonbat" phase he went through a couple of years ago. Don't worry folks, he'll come up with another cool term soon.
It simply means that they are a more sensitive, caring, and compassionate person than the rest of us.
Actually, I think he hit the nail on the head with that statement.
Gus' writing style is unique and to be appreciated whether you agree with his POV's, or not. I would put money on a bet that his posts are some of the most read ... by regular posters and lurkers alike.
Actually, I think he hit the nail on the head with that statement.
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And, it's possible that he is right (and so are we).
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Gus' writing style is unique and to be appreciated whether you agree with his POV's, or not. I would put money on a bet that his posts are some of the most read ... by regular posters and lurkers alike.
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It's not a bit unique, it is copied almost in whole cloth from a website that is now closed. Help me out here gus... you know the one that I mean. Where they could stretch any easy answer from 100 words to 2000 words easily.. and, had more vile descriptions for any "liberal" than anyplace I've ever seen.
My criticism goes deeper, and that is, that a society that expects to stop violence by killing people (via military pre-emption and capital punishment) is absolutely fooling itself. In other words, guns are inanimate objects, designed to kill, that are used for the unlawful purposes. It is the mindset we teach our young that graduates this shit into carnage. "Guns" have nothing to do with it.
Pfttt... Which is older in the human experience, guns, or carnage? One would think that carnage being birthed virtually along with the species, that we would have had ample time to breed it out before George Bush, don't you think? I wonder why we haven't? Of course, people who subscribe to moral relatavism, leaving them no foundation from which to observe the human condition, quite understandably have no grasp whatsoever of the concept of pure, consumate evil. An evil that transcends every social construct that has had to deal with it since we emerged from the soup. That's *way* too deep. Better to blame George Bush *chortle*.
Other than that, gus seems to be on a "coolness" kick for the past few months...another rendition of the "moonbat" phase he went through a couple of years ago. Don't worry folks, he'll come up with another cool term soon.
I will unsubscribe to coolness just as soon as the Left does. Since it drives their lives, I'm afraid you're in for a disappointment. Tribal socio-metaphysics has been at the core of the Left since the Hippies.(see: "Kumbaya") And since something so shallow is more than ample to serve people so shallow, it's a nice fit. It's why they so much prefer to assemble into groups, light candles and sway, and be moved to tears, than to sit face to face, and debate the actual issues. This board is as classic an example as can be cited.
Tribal socio-metaphysics has been at the core of the Left since the Hippies
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Please define "tribal socio-metaphysics" and how that defines anybody, or for that matter, how it defines me. You're full of vocabulary and shit gus... you say this stuff, and I'm sure you mean it, but, it is not my reality, it is only yours. You don't get to define anyone but yourself.
Please define "tribal socio-metaphysics" and how that defines anybody, or for that matter, how it defines me. You're full of vocabulary and shit gus... you say this stuff, and I'm sure you mean it, but, it is not my reality, it is only yours. You don't get to define anyone but yourself.
I think phrog could do a much better job. He isn't ignorant, just terminally tribal. I'm sorry, but we don't each of us get to have our *own* realities. We can think we do all we want, but it's just a matter of time, and of course, cognitive ability. So hiding there is not exactly a ringing endorsement for intellectual acumen, just a friendly reminder.
I think phrog could do a much better job. He isn't ignorant, just terminally tribal. I'm sorry, but we don't each of us get to have our *own* realities.
And, you think that phrog's and my "tribal socio-metaphysical mindset" is the same? If yes, why? If not, why bring it up?
But, of course we have our own "realities" .. You have yours. I have mine. And no law of the universe lets us apply it to each other by fiat. You just think yours is correct, and so do I. Well, buckwheat, you don't have the authority, or the acumen, to decide that for both of us. You decide it for you. End of story.
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We can think we do all we want, but it's just a matter of time, and of course, cognitive ability. So hiding there is not exactly a ringing endorsement for intellectual acumen, just a friendly reminder.
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"Hiding" where? WTF are you talking about? When somebody tries to go detailed with you, you go global, when somebody tries to go global with you, you dive into minutae.
I think phrog could do a much better job. He isn't ignorant, just terminally tribal. I'm sorry, but we don't each of us get to have our *own* realities.
And, you think that phrog's and my "tribal socio-metaphysical mindset" is the same? If yes, why? If not, why bring it up?
They are very similar, as a function of your Leftist ideologies. Spots on a leopard, as it were, though no two leopards are identical.
But, of course we have our own "realities" .. You have yours. I have mine. And no law of the universe lets us apply it to each other by fiat. You just think yours is correct, and so do I. Well, buckwheat, you don't have the authority, or the acumen, to decide that for both of us. You decide it for you. End of story.
Nonsense. The *real* reality dictates far more similarities among us than we are empowered to dictate differences. And I can apply any number of laws of the universe to permanently and radically alter your reality, by fiat.(and vice versa) "Authority" is an abstract concept that has nothing to do with it. We may go to the moon, and inspire one another to many other awesome endeavors. But our butts still stink if we don't wash them. *That* is reality. Somewhere between those extremes is a happy medium for each of us, but to deny either extreme is to fool no-one but yourself, and your smelly butt.
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We can think we do all we want, but it's just a matter of time, and of course, cognitive ability. So hiding there is not exactly a ringing endorsement for intellectual acumen, just a friendly reminder.
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"Hiding" where? WTF are you talking about? When somebody tries to go detailed with you, you go global, when somebody tries to go global with you, you dive into minutae.
Hiding behind *your* reality, as if it were somehow seperate, let alone in any way superior. I'm comfy with either global, or minute, try to keep up.
Well, if I'm hiding behind my reality, aren't you doing the same thing? If not. How is your take on "reality" more valid than mine?
Because I not only acknowledge the template that is "out there", I literally steer my course by it. And I hold no fancifull illusions of being any kind of "master" of it. Doing so is a function of ego, one of the most rudimentary traps of the human condition.
Because I not only acknowledge the template that is "out there", I literally steer my course by it.
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Please describe the "template" that is out there. Instead of your vague assertions, I want some detail here. since you are so sure, it shouldn't be a problem.
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And I hold no fancifull illusions of being any kind of "master" of it. Doing so is a function of ego, one of the most rudimentary traps of the human condition.
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Of course you are a "master" of it; you know better than anyone else, right?
Because I not only acknowledge the template that is "out there", I literally steer my course by it.
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Please describe the "template" that is out there. Instead of your vague assertions, I want some detail here. since you are so sure, it shouldn't be a problem.
Pretty simple. Gravity, for example. God knows there are moonbats with enough arrogance to try and deny it. Psych 101 pointy-heads, asking "If a tree falls in a forest...?". Planetary "stewards", *chortle*. Moral relatavism is bad enough, but to carry it on into Sir Issac, as an example, is sheer folly. And of course I think the senses can be fooled, only a fool wouldn't. But the arrogant assumption that this proves then that our "reality" is contained within them is most often held by pecksniffs unwilling to then drop a rock on their foot as proof.
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And I hold no fancifull illusions of being any kind of "master" of it. Doing so is a function of ego, one of the most rudimentary traps of the human condition.
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Of course you are a "master" of it; you know better than anyone else, right?
Not in the least. I know better than to drop the rock on my foot, which indeed would make me a "master" in some circles. But reality is only the chart by which we sail. The course we take is entirely up to us, and I am a journeyman seaman at best.
Gus' writing style is unique and to be appreciated whether you agree with his POV's, or not. I would put money on a bet that his posts are some of the most read ... by regular posters and lurkers alike.
I think he is a pompous ass, and so biased to the right that I hardly ever read his diatribes.
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Gus' writing style is unique and to be appreciated whether you agree with his POV's, or not. I would put money on a bet that his posts are some of the most read ... by regular posters and lurkers alike.
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It's not a bit unique, it is copied almost in whole cloth from a website that is now closed. Help me out here gus... you know the one that I mean. Where they could stretch any easy answer from 100 words to 2000 words easily.. and, had more vile descriptions for any "liberal" than anyplace I've ever seen.
I missed this post somehow last night. Sorry, Jim, but I'm drawing a blank, and no, I'm not being coy or evasive. The only forums I participate in are this one, Susan's, and a couple of "gun boards". I don't read any others, only news sites, and a few blogs. And I'm not about to apologize for having a vocabulary. I grew up among, and around school teachers, and vocabulary was a matter of osmosis, and subsequent survival. Quite the contrary to your assumption, I find overly verbose writers both tedious, and tiresome. Not quite so much however, as those who's idea of a literary stretch is to add a few more "LOL"s to their "LOLOL"s. So while I don't consider myself quite the offender that you do, questionable motives and all, I am hardly crushed by the notion of erring on the side of verbosity.
I posted this thread for only one reason. That was to point out a violent gun crime to those who like Gus have taken a "there is still no blood in the streets " attitude. Sometimes I don't think those people read the news. The incidence of such crimes is becoming much more frequent.
I do not know if any changes in laws would have prevented this one. I still don't know enough about the background of the shooter or how he obtained his guns to even guess at such a thing.
I do know that I respect the law and I refuse to throw up my hands and say that since there will always be those who disobey the law, then why have laws?
"Do not tell me that we cannot have sensible gun laws and still respect the second admendment. Do not tell me that it can't be done" Barack Obama
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"And the song that I am singing is a prayer for nonbelievers
Come and join us stand together, we will find a better way" ..........John Denver
I do not know if any changes in laws would have prevented this one. I still don't know enough about the background of the shooter or how he obtained his guns to even guess at such a thing.
The Binghamton Chief of Police reported in a news conference that the shooter has had a state issued permit to own guns since the 90s, and that the two handguns he used in the shooting were both listed on his permit. Sounds like a letter-of-the-law law-abiding citizen to me. What more would you ask in the way of "gun laws"?
I do know that I respect the law and I refuse to throw up my hands and say that since there will always be those who disobey the law, then why have laws?
"Murder" has been against some law, in some fashion, for most of our history. Yet murders continue to be committed. Has anybody thrown up their hands, and advocated the abolishment of murder laws? If *every single soul* "respected the law", then we wouldn't need any!!!
"Do not tell me that we cannot have sensible gun laws and still respect the second admendment. Do not tell me that it can't be done" Barack Obama
Obama, to begin with, doesn't know his ass from center field on the subject of guns, or "sensible gun laws". He has *zero* bona-fides to give *any* indication of any study to the contrary. He is a politician, politicking. Shame on you for citing him. Having dispensed with that, we have thousands of "sensible gun laws" on the books already. New York state has hundreds more than most other states. The Binghamton shooter appears to have followed even the stringent gun laws of New York to the letter! So explain to me how even *more* "sensible gun laws" would have prevented his crime?
I think phrog could do a much better job. He isn't ignorant, just terminally tribal.
You don't "know" bulphrog NEARLY as well as you "think" you do, li'l gussie. In fact, you don't "know" him at all, and your guesses (and that's ALL they are) about him are almost all 100% incorrect. He isn't in the least bit "ignorant"....having studied constantly during his life, and having actually LIVED, too, instead of just existing in one of the most godforsaken parts TexASS as you have done. However, he isn't very "tribal" at all.
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. -Albert Einstein
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
This message has been edited by pphhroggie on Apr 4, 2009 2:12 PM
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