Sounds more like a reference to lynch mobs than to anything to do with satan, but I can see how you make your connection, poetse. It's the typical nonsensical connections you make.
Oh come on, Potse ... It's a perfectly common reference to angry mobs. Didn't you ever watch "Frankenstein?" Remember the mob of angry villagers? What were they carrying?
But in reality, Obama never suggested that the banks could save themselves. They could and for the mopst part the did. But he said only government could save them. And what did he do?
Obviously h4e considers himself to be the Messiah.
Of course, I seek the truth. Evidence: I am not afraid to cgange my mind and admit that I was was wrong. But if you do not have the evidence or I can' fined it, I refuse to believe your lies
yep you are right potese, now just find the truth about global warming (climate change) and admit that one too. That is more the Poetsy I thought I would find in our exploration of the Bible, but you failed the last step and stubbornly clung to myth. I guess I was in error when I thought you could not learn anything.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson
We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology. - Carl Sagan
I believe that every right implies a responsibility, every opportunity an obligation; every possession, a duty. - John D. Rockefeller, Jr.
The truth about global warming has been changed into global cooling. Scientists agree that climate changes. So do children who have re4aced the age to know about such things.
But the climate has been changing for centruies. So that is nothing new. That which is new is the klie that it is man-made. Show me the truth in that onew, J2.
----The truth about global warming has been changed into global cooling. Scientists agree that climate changes. So do children who have re4aced the age to know about such things.
But the climate has been changing for centruies. So that is nothing new. That which is new is the klie that it is man-made. Show me the truth in that onew, J2.-----
First potese, global warming has not changed into global cooling that is a lie you still cling to.
Second potese it is true that climate changes, the unspoken lie that you hide in there is this----the only way climate changes is through natural causes. This is not true. Human activities are changing climate at a very rapid pace and despite and natural inclination to cool. These changes will be costly and dangerous for humans.
Now I have shown you the truth. Search it out for yourself.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson
We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology. - Carl Sagan
I believe that every right implies a responsibility, every opportunity an obligation; every possession, a duty. - John D. Rockefeller, Jr.
Climate chchanges are natural. Man-made changes are nfintesuimal. Climate changes in the last 100 years com-pared to millions of years should convince you that the data is flawed.
You're right, AJC. However when god speaks o himself, he is not working through underinglins.
No we all know tha Obama i8s not the Messiah, but he thinks he is.
Poetse, come on. A guy in a red suit with horns and a pitchfork? Do you need to up your meds, darlin'??
The Messiah thing is really getting old. It has no effect whatsoever. Maybe Rush will come up with something new soon.
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I don't care if you lick windows, take the special bus, or occasionally pee on yourself..
You hang in there sunshine, you're frigging special.
I do not think he is the Messiah. He believes he is the Messiah. Reasons as follows:
He wants to take from the rich and feed the poor.
He wants everyone to be provided health care,
He travels around the world telling everyone how great he is and that he has come to solve all of those problems that the US has caused in the past.
He tells us that government is the only entity that can solve our problems. Government could not perform those miracles if he were not in charge.
I do not bel8eve he is the Messiah because the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Obama does not fear himself, He is the Messiah sent to save the world,
No, he lacks wisdom because he wants to spend us into poverty. The Messiah woul never do that--But a pretender would.
...do YOU call President Obama the "messiah", putz? I've heard NO liberals call him by that title whatsoever. If you are a "Christian", you just blasphemed.
Gee, Janie, surely you know know the Bible better than that. There are many False Christs. If one can recognix=ze the false Christ, he/she is one of the elect. I du=id not say Obama is the Messiah. I called him the pretender.
Now we know why you are no longer a Christian--You don't understand what a Christian is.
Poor potsie, just can't let that "messiah" shit go. I never said he was, so where the fuck do you get that crap, pull it out of your ass?
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And, your source for Obama's belief, potsy....IN FACTS, not your list of what you think he believes. Give us some URLs of legitimate facts to prove your argument.
If you can't do that, you are only giving your biased OPINION.
You and AB, yep....
America, we are better than these last eight years. We are a better country than this.
Barack Obama
Acceptance Speech at Democratic Convention Aug 28th 2008
Hey, Mari, I gave you a list of what he hassaid and done. That proves thaqt he believes that he is God's gift to the universe and all that came before him were tiny specks of rotten humanity.
So you have not noticed that he condemns the US for its past sins and he has coome to lead us out of darkness into his glorious light
Either give a URL or admit that you are again turning your back on the ten commandments. Thou shall not bear false witness! Those are commandments, not suggestions! Poetse, you seem to feel lying is an ART form to be developed.
Colossians 3:9"Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;"
Poetse, seriously, its sounding more and more like you are losing touch with reality. I cant even imagine the mindset that comes up with the things you post here about President Obama. Enjoy your "trip" around the universe. Whew.
Sure he does. ... get a grip, will you. He never said he was but you did.
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Did he tell the world that the US saved the world from Hoitler and the NAZI? Did he tell the world how many people the US feed and how they help when disaster strikes in the world?
Of course not. He told the world that the US had opressed everone in Central and South America. He sat there and listed to foreign leaders attack the US as evil.
And he releases documents from the Bush administration that shows hoe evil the US has been to torture terrorists.
So the US is evil and he is going to change the US and the world into his image.
So the Messiah arrives to redeem his people. Now tell me how you concllude that he does not think of himself as the Messiah?
Did he tell the world that the US saved the world from Hoitler and the NAZI? Did he tell the world how many people the US feed and how they help when disaster strikes in the world?
Of course not. He told the world that the US had opressed everone in Central and South America. He sat there and listed to foreign leaders attack the US as evil.
And he releases documents from the Bush administration that shows hoe evil the US has been to torture terrorists.
So the US is evil and he is going to change the US and the world into his image.
So the Messiah arrives to redeem his people. Now tell me how you concllude that he does not think of himself as the Messiah?
Poetse, seriously, its sounding more and more like you are losing touch with reality. I cant even imagine the mindset that comes up with the things you post here about President Obama. Enjoy your "trip" around the universe. Whew.
Wow! Since potsy is attributing all the reasons why he thinks Obama is similar to the messiah, then I can only conclude that --since potsy knows so much about Jesus-- then he is the one who is drawing the references.
Until you come up with some "real" facts, potsy, just give it up unless you want to continue to look very silly. I too think you are losing touch with reality.
Must be a slow day in Moonbat Cave. They're all spending a whole lot of time on Poetse's thread.
They insult his/her intelligence and beliefs, in a 53-message exchange.
Hmmm.
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You can borrow from a friend
But the Devil will give you twenty
When your friend only got ten
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Obviously my post doesn't need defending since no one tries to refute it.
Have you not heard Obama talk about the immoral US of the last eight years? Has he not come to change us from an immoral country to a moral coiuntry fashoned after his image?
I know he is not the Mesiah. But he believes he is. Listed to him.
It's not that big a deal. I'm just amused that--despite calling him/her a moron, etc.-- so many of you spend a lot of time debating with Poetse.
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You can borrow from a friend
But the Devil will give you twenty
When your friend only got ten
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Moon writes:
Wow! Since potsy is attributing all the reasons why he thinks Obama is similar to the messiah, then I can only conclude that --since potsy knows so much about Jesus-- then he is the one who is drawing the references.
Well, Moon, there were hundreds of prophecies that told what the Messiah will be like, The Jews thought He would bring about Change. They expected him to bring peace and prosperity. The expected Him to give them hope.
Now my contention is that Obama has indicated that he would bring about change and givr people hope for peace and prosperity. Those are the similar promises of the Messiah and you do not believe that Obama has made those promises and filled the American people with hope. You never listened to his speeches did you?
Until you come up with some "real" facts, potsy, just give it up unless you want to continue to look very silly. I too think you are losing touch with reality.
These are real facts, and unless you can show me they are wrong, I will say you are out of touch.
And, your source for Obama's belief, potsy....IN FACTS, not your list of what you think he believes. Give us some URLs of legitimate facts to prove your argument.
Jesus was recognized as the Messiah by the things he spoke and the miracles he performed. Grant5ed Obama has not performed miracles unless you ciunt paying for homes and buying gasoline--but you dhould listen to the things he says.
If you can't do that, you are only giving your biased OPINION.
Jesus was recognized as the Messiah by the things he spoke and the miracles he performed. Grant5ed Obama has not performed miracles unless you ciunt paying for homes and buying gasoline
I bought a home and I bought gasoline does that make me a Messiah?
If you can't do that, you are only giving your biased OPINION.
So yopu don't l;isten whe he speaks
So you mean you can't provide quotes and cite url's, just your opinionated bullshit. You're worse than a psuedo-intellectual, you're a complete pretender to any intellectual acumen.
Everywhere he goes he shows himself as the great redeemer. Noitice that he was 3 and one-half years old when all of that evil was taking placw. But he has come that we might have peace` and prosperity.
BTW yo do know that the banks and all business would fail if it weren't for the government ==not just any government because it was the Bush government that created such a mess. Now he will bring us to thge era of peace and prosperity.
Just exactly what did he say that you think makes him see himself as a messiah, poetse? You're the one making the claim, now prove it. Where in that speech did he say anything that shows that he considers himself to be some godlike figure that all must worship and obey or from whom miracles will erupt? I don't see it so you're going to have to show me in the transcript of his speech just exactly what it is that he says that makes it obvious to you that he's got a god complex (and of course show the full text so that we can see it in context).
He puts himself above the past sins if the US. He projects an air that he is able to solve all of the promlems. If he were not availabe, Bush or someone else would continue the tragic mistakes. He has come to save the world
Do you not recall the chant tha he is the one? Great one to save the country.;
Now, I don't object to your having your opinion, so I would hope that you would be at least as consderate. I hve given you reasons why I thinik he consi9ders himself to be the Messiah, and it is your right to reject them. But there are many who agree with me and Louis Farakahan is one.
This is a Google search of "Obama called the Messiah" Woud you get any results i8f Obama had never been called the Messiah? Of course you wouldn't.
LOL, of course he has been called it, you do it every day, you and the rest of the dipshit rightwingers that are trying to run him down by using this false analogy.
This is a Google search of "Obama called the Messiah" Woud you get any results i8f Obama had never been called the Messiah? Of course you wouldn't
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Uh Poeste, the only reason why it showed up in google so much is because OF KEYWORDS. Someone says "Obama" and "Messiah" (which is what the rightwingers have been doing for MONTHS now...on BLOGS all ACROSS the internet) in their blog, article, post, etc and it will show up in Google's search engines.
Doofus. Look at the results, 100% are RIGHT WING BLOGS or articles calling him that.. hmmmm, thanks for shooting your ignorant self in your foot and proving US right. That WE have never ONCE called him a messiah. YOU people did. And still are.
I tried to tell Poetse this at the beginning of this post but Pots still claims Obama is the Messiah. I really think he believes it he's said it so much. Pathetic Little Poetse.
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Yes, Ron, I and many others call him Messiah every day. That's exactly the point. Some are serious and some are not. But there are the facts that I have been telling you.
Some people call him Messiah because the beli4eve he believes he is he savior. Others are not serious. But thoswe who are include Louis Farrakan.
So my point remai8ns proved since many are calloing him the Mess9iah.
I am not trying to run him down. He is doing a good job of proving that he doesn't know how to govern the country. But we know why you believe I( am trying to run him down. It is what yo0u did to Bush for eight years.
But one exampeillestrates his incompetence. Hewanted to cut spending by 100 million an increased Americore by 7 Billi8on. No thanks. I see throgh him while you believe he is doing the right thing. But you cannot decrease spending by increasing it. Simple logic
Uh Poeste, the only reason why it showed up in google so much is because OF KEYWORDS. Someone says "Obama" and "Messiah" (which is what the rightwingers have been doing for MONTHS now...on BLOGS all ACROSS the internet) in their blog, article, post, etc and it will show up in Google's search engines.
Gee, I didn't know that. I just started using the computer last week. ROTFLMAO I know there were over two million hits and some had absolutely nothing to do with Obama's being the Messiah, But I gave you credit for knowing how to research and find those that proved the point. I certainly din't expect yo to say they all claimed Obama is the Messiah,?b>
Doofus. Look at the results, 100% are RIGHT WING BLOGS or articles calling him that.. hmmmm, thanks for shooting your ignorant self in your foot and proving US right. That WE have never ONCE called him a messiah. YOU people did. And still are.
I'm glad to know that you read all 2 million hits and concluded the were all right wi8ng blogs. I'll give you an F in research because Louis Farrikan is not aRight wing blogger.
Opraha Winfrey is not right wing but what did she mean when she said he is the One.
Did it ever occur to you that Oprah meant he is the "right" one to run this country? I doubt she meant it in a religious frame. You rights will make a mt. out of a molehill if it means demeaning Obama. PATHETIC.
He IS the one. And he did win. and like it or not he is OUR president.
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Well, Jennifer, it appears that you ignore the main proof and move to Oprah. Ypou get another F in research.
Did you cceck LOuis Farrakhan's speech about Obama. Isn't it something when a Muslim says that Obama is the Messiah? Research, Jennifer. That's how you learn.
Well, Jennifer, it appears that you ignore the main proof and move to Oprah. Ypou get another F in research.
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Did you cceck LOuis Farrakhan's speech about Obama. Isn't it something when a Muslim says that Obama is the Messiah? Research, Jennifer. That's how you learn.
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Why should anyone care what Louis Farrakhan has to say? I've paid no attention to him for my entire life. Are you signing on to the "Randall Terry" theory of guilt by association?
No one gives a damn what Farrakan said, more of you rightwingers have listened to it than anyone else I'll bet. It doesn't make any more difference that a Muslim said it than if you say it, poetse. You sure haven't proven he has a god complex nor have you proven that a significant number of Americans do. You're welcome to whatever you want to believe but that doesn't make it true.
Yes, Ron, I have proved it. You just refuse to accept the evidence.
He has violated the Constitution by giving money to the banks. He has taken over GM but that made no difference because the are going bankrupt. Her dictates the terms of private business whe he u=is not given that authority.
He has a budget that will run into the trillions and the B=Den=mocrats feared Bush was going to bankrupt the the country. He has appointed tax cheats and is running a corrupt adninistration.
The Demovcrats wanted to tax AIG employees at 90 percent because the shouldn't have bonuses when the business is fai8ling. The claim rule of la=w but refuse to honor contracts.
And now the want to prosecute the previou=s administration for crimes of torture that were leagal during the Bush administration, but not while Obama is in the White House. Does that sound like rule of law? Of course not. People are not prosecuted for crimes before the law was passed.
But it is obvious that thoset third world dictators do prosecute the previuous administrations.
That souns as thpough he governs l8ike a community organizer than a president.
Obviously anyone whose word is law must be God or at least he has a god complex.
The followers always define the leader. They either respect him or they don't. If the don't, they do not follow.
You do understand why those trained in boot camp are given different leaders when the go into combat. And sometimes leaders are shot by their own troops.
Tell me, Ron, why truth proves hate? Are we to follow a man who wants to bankrupt the country?
Have we w=ever had an admi8ni8stration to prosecute the previous administration.
Have we ever voided legal contracts and called it the rule of the law. Can a contract v=be voided by a third party just becauser the third party deems that a business that does not n=make a profit should not ppay a bonus. But did not tha group pay Freddie Mac an Fannie Mae bonuses even though the lost money.
And tell me why one administration should prosecute the previous administration simply because the disagree on the definition of torture. Let me tell you. That is hate.
And do you know any men of reason who spend far more than the ta=ke in. Of fcourse not. Men of reason live within their means.
Gee, Ron, Simple reasoning shows how you refuse to see the facts.
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The secretary of the Treasury is a tax cheat, But Congress confirmed him. Now that is ciorruption that everone can see. How can you trust som4eone who did not pay his taxes. I ask you, Ron, because you think that corruption ids hatred. You should hate the corruption, but you close your eyes to it.
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The followers always define the leader. They either respect him or they don't. If the don't, they do not follow.
You do understand why those trained in boot camp are given different leaders when the go into combat. And sometimes leaders are shot by their own troops.
So I would say followers do define their leader.
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Would that assessment work in reverse? the "followers" of your leaders are defined by their "followers"?
The followers of any leader support him/her because they agree. No matter what the cause is,it falls apart without a leader. Therefore, the followers select the leader and follow huim to accomplish their purpose.
If the leader does not accomplish the objectives, the followers try to find another leader. Therefore, a better leader is found or the ones who dislike the leader quit following.
Example: You and Bush. You were for him in the beginning, but you quit following him.
The followers of any leader support him/her because they agree. No matter what the cause is,it falls apart without a leader. Therefore, the followers select the leader and follow huim to accomplish their purpose.
If the leader does not accomplish the objectives, the followers try to find another leader. Therefore, a better leader is found or the ones who dislike the leader quit following.
Example: You and Bush. You were for him in the beginning, but you quit following him.
What I deduct from this is that Bush is twice more likely an incarnation of Satan than Obama is the messiah. God has a penchant for sampling the culinary exploits of a cannibal. And while not as universally true, shit does indeed taste similar to a Hershey's Kiss. And while not a hot topic, Poetse definitely is an idiot because, hey, people are talking about it.
And tell me why one administration should prosecute the previous administration simply because the disagree on the definition of torture. Let me tell you. That is hate.
It was always about hate with you guys and Bush. Criticize Bush? You HATE him. Always with the hate. So can I conclude you hate Obama?
NO, Poetse. Its not from hate, its because laws were broken, the US does and is not supposed to TORTURE. Some may agree with that, others may not, but it is what it is. IMO waterboarding is torture.
Personally, I think we should leave it alone and move on. I see no reason to subject the country to another circus like the Clinton fiasco. We need to focus on the future, learn from the mistakes and keep on moving forward.
Personally, I think we should leave it alone and move on. I see no reason to subject the country to another circus like the Clinton fiasco. We need to focus on the future, learn from the mistakes and keep on moving forward.
I disagree, sable, for the simple reason we should not call ourselves a nation of laws if we do not enforce our laws and we should not claim a moral high ground unless we ensure that our leaders maintain that higher ground.
You lost confidence in him because you believed he was leading the country in the wrong direction. Those who continued following him believed he was taking the right actions to accomplish the things t=hat the desired. Therefore, the followers define the leader.
If the leader has no followers, he is not leading anyone.
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What I deduct from this is that Bush is twice more likely an incarnation of Satan than Obama is the messiah. God has a penchant for sampling the culinary exploits of a cannibal. And while not as universally true, shit does indeed taste similar to a Hershey's Kiss. And while not a hot topic, Poetse definitely is an idiot because, hey, people are talking about it.
How's that for research? Do I get an A?
Why should you get an A? You are completely off topic because we are discussing Obama as the Messiah and is being called the Messiah by his own followers and not the right wing only.
You have not addressed that subject at all. Therefore I will give you F i9n research and an A in creativity.
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Thanks, I needed that. I'm outta here, this is turning into Comedy Central. LMFAO!
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NO, Poetse. Its not from hate, its because laws were broken, the US does and is not supposed to TORTURE. Some may agree with that, others may not, but it is what it is. IMO waterboarding is torture.
No Sable laws were not broken. In order for a law to be a lawe, Congress must pass it. And it must be tested before the USSC to determine that it is Constitutional.
Now your logic is that the policy of one administration can prosecute the previous administration when there is disagreement. But a law can be broken only when it is a law. Therefore whatever was in force at that time is the law.
The USSC has rerversed its decisions on occasion. Both decisions were the law at that time. Therefor, the Obama administration is breaking laws in prosecution of the former administration.
I*n fact if you notice, there was no such law tested by the USSC. Therefore, the Obaba administration is prosecuting agroup of lawyers for having the wrong opinion.
Is that the rule of law? No, it is the Community organizer at work.
Does the President write law? Do his advisors write law? Does the President or his advisors get to interpret the law? Your conclusions are false, poetse, because the Bush administration tried to usurp the power of Congress and the USSC for themselves, which is unConstitutional and against the law.
Research is done on the internet as well as in libraries. Books sitting on the shelf next to each other may contradict each other. A lot of that contradiction isdue to political bias.
Therefore, one must find the truthcy critical thinnkink. That means that logical reason must be used and arguments examined in order to determine the validity of each argument.
I have presented arguments in this thread, but I see no one usi8ng evidence to refute them.
1. Obama requested and the Congress approved a Secretary of theTreasury who had not paid his taxes.
2. Democrats complained abput the Billion dollar deficit of the Bush administration aned beliieve the trillion dollar deficit is the right thig to do.
3. Obama goes around the world praisin himself and the change he will bring to the US.
4. The Democrats pay bonuses tofreddie Mac and Fannie Mae while denying bonuses to Aig. Aig had contracts that the Den=mocrats voided, and you claim that is rule of law.
There is a lot more evidenve, but you are not interested in evidence. You would either refute my arguments or you would present some of your own to show obama is the One.
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Does the President write law?
Did you not read that I wrote that Congress writes the law?,/b>
Do his advisors write law?
So you didn't read my post
Does the President or his advisors get to interpret the law?
good questions that I havs answered in my previous post,/b>
Your conclusions are false, poetse, because the Bush administration tried to usurp the power of Congress and the USSC for themselves, which is unConstitutional and against the law.
The president was given powers to act without the consent of Congress. That is nothing new. World War ll is the last time Congress declared war.
And we are specifically talking about torture. Has torture been defin4ed and written into law and tested by the U=SS+C, When was that done. Before the Bush ad=ministration? No. Therefore whatever the Bush adminisration determined as legal torture was legal. But as usual, those who are the followers of the Most Mertciful Obama want to prosecute those in the Bush administratiuon for having a wrong legal opinion.
Now follow this. There is no correct legal opinion until it is taken before the USSC. And wonder of all wonders even that opinion can be reversed. Therefor there can be no wrong le4gal opinion until it i8s tried.
But the rule of law requires that one pay taxes. The rule of law means performing the terms of legal contracts. The rule of law means government stay out of the pri8vate sector of business.
But if you want to prosecute Bush, you must prosecute Obasma for bnot following the rule of law.
My points are stated in a specific manner. You have not listed one point. BTW Bogus research is better than no research. Bogus researce proves its point unless i8t is refuted,
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