Full article from Time magazine. Yes, I know the far right claims that Time is one of those leftie rags, but I welcome anyone who claims that to point out anything in the article that is not true.
You know why I don't care about all of these stories about implosion of the Republican Party? Because power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely ... every time. It happened to the Republicans and it will happen to the Democrats. It's not all that bad. The corruption is bad, but the implosion causes them to look within, at the needs of the country and the voters, and to refocus. It's a cycle that has been going on forever and it will continue. Politics is politics and it's just not worth all the angst people get into a lather about.
Here's a great example of why one Party is no better than the other. (When you point fingers at someone, 4 others are pointing back at you.)
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40 Hill briefings on interrogations disclosed
An intelligence report sent recently to Capitol Hill shows that members of Congress were briefed 40 times since 2002 on aspects of the so-called "enhanced interrogation" program. Many have decried the techniques used in the program as torture.
The list seems to contradict the claim by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), then-minority leader and ranking member on the House intelligence committee, that she was never told at a 2002 briefing that waterboarding had been used or would been used, only that legal opinions approving of its use had been issued.
The document describes a September 24, 2002 briefing to Pelosi and then-intelligence chairman Porter Goss (R-Fla.) this way: "Briefing on EITs including use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah, background on authorities, and a description of particular EITs that had been employed.
At no point did I ever imply "one party better than the other"
The Republican party, right now, is NOT the party it used to be. The party moved way too far to the right, and thats obviously not in line with the mindset of the American public. I see it in my own family, with my life-long Republican Dad abandoning the party.
Personally I am against the one-party dominance. I think there should always be a healthy balance of input from representatives that actually represent the voices of the PEOPLE...all the people.
I agree with both Carolyn and Sable. However when you read the boards, it is frightening to see how many people view the opposite party as the enemy. I see it in other people too. People who believe all the crap that is passed around in these mass emails, just because it come from their party.
I answered a poll yesterday about "Do you think Sarah Palin has a chance as a candidate in 12?" I said yes she has a chance. The people who voted for Bush just because he was from their party are capable of voting for anyone.
I would love nothing better than to see the Republicans get the message and find a more qualified canidate next time.
The Republican party, right now, is NOT the party it used to be. The party moved way too far to the right, and thats obviously not in line with the mindset of the American public. I see it in my own family, with my life-long Republican Dad abandoning the party.
Did anybody, including Colin Powell, happen to notice that the Republican party fullfilled their wishes with the last election? Is there *any* Republican candidate more "moderate", or "centrist", or "willing to compromise" than John McCain? Has anybody bothered to ask the Republicans how that worked out for them? OTOH, the clearly acknowledged big story of the last election on the Republican side was this "far-right" moose hunting redneckette from Alaska! Who the hell electrified the party, and dominated the media more, "centrist" McCain, or "redneck" Palin?
There is a *reason* that Reagan enjoyed a *landslide* victory after four years of Carter doom and gloom. There is a *reason* that he enjoyed a *second* landslide victory after a positive, and inspirational first term. Have the "times" changed? Yes they have. Have our worries, and problems, and concerns, and issues changed? No they haven't!
With any luck, and some common sense, the tea-party contingent will grow enough to broom out all the RINOs, and restore the Republican party to a party full of Republicans. If they don't, then we are in for a multi-term dynasty of Democrat rule. Gee, I wonder if Time might be aware of that? *snort*
gus.
[edited to add:] The Democrat party was an "endangered species", having suffered two humiliating electoral defeats of two of it's biggest stars. Barack Obama was a minor-league Chicago ward-healer and organizer, with all the political capital of the mayor of my town. Then he was invited to speak at a Democrat national covention, and electrified the audience. The rest, as they say, is history. *That* is how American politics works! Hillary was a *done deal*! Remember? All Democrats are doing now is trying to create their own reality, and make it so. Imagine that... Of course they refuse to believe that such a repeat of history on the Republican side, is not only possible, but entirely probable! The key lies with the current administration, and the current Congress, just like it did when Obama's meteoric rise occured. If *they* don't perform up to expectations, just like Bush, then the electorate will seek an alternative, and that alternative could come from anywhere!
So all of this blatherpating on *both* sides is just hot air. We ain't even close yet.
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Name me the Republican who would have made a stronger showing agaist Obama than McCain did. I don't think there is one.
And if there's one thing that put the final nail in the coffin of the McCain campaign, it was when he bowed to the right wing and picked Palin as his VP candidate. He had some slight chance before that - none afterwards.
Name me the Republican who would have made a stronger showing agaist Obama than McCain did. I don't think there is one.
Probably not, and I doubt there is one. The next Republican president could well be some nobody community organizer in a large city somewhere. Ya think?
And if there's one thing that put the final nail in the coffin of the McCain campaign, it was when he bowed to the right wing and picked Palin as his VP candidate. He had some slight chance before that - none afterwards.
Ah perspective. I love it. Palin was the only thing that prevented a *total* blowout. McCain's age and health wasn't lost on Republicans either! Which is *precisely* why Palin so terrified the Left that they *really* let the wolf show from under the peacenik costume, and went *way* over the top in a totally hysterical attempt to destroy her. It was *completely* out of proportion for a Veep candidate, which was very telling in it's own right. Dem spooks are *still* trying to work her over in Alaska! She's young, and clearly tough enough to weather all the fangs. I suspect she'll be around for awhile.
You keep telling yourself that. I know you believe it in your own head and have no idea of the reality. Palin shot herself in the foot many times over. The dems didn't have to do a damn thing. Her incoherent blathering was of her own fault, gus.
I do not understand why the Republican party thinks anyone is "afraid" of Sarah Palin. All she did was energize a certain sector of the party, and that was very apparent by the crowds she attracted at her campaign stops. She was brought on to attract the millions of women that were upset that Hillary Clinton didnt get the Dem nod.
BIG mistake.
Because---she opened her mouth, and it went downhill from there. That winky, by golly you betcha routine was NOT attractive to the vast majority of the US. Personally I have never encountered a professional woman who behaved like her, and came across as so uninformed and loopy. Sarah Palin gave the impression of an over-enthuiastic Tupperware hostess.
You guys lost RED states, states that had gone Republican for years. And not just one or two, either. If anyone should be afraid of Sarah Palin, its the Republicans!
Here is the sack dance from Huff and puffington post
May 8 2009, 4:30 PM
Another One Bites the Dust: Joe the Plumber Is Quitting the GOP
Posted by Staff, Huffington Post at 11:12 AM on May 7, 2009.
Time Magazine is reporting - burying rather - the news that Joe the Plumber, also known as Samuel Wurzelbacher, is quitting the GOP.
Stop the presses... (even though we haven't received the press release yet). Time Magazine is reporting - burying rather - the news that Joe the Plumber, also known as Samuel Wurzelbacher, is quitting the GOP. That's big news considering Joe became the new GOP mascot during the McCain campaign and has since advised the party during conferences and in Capitol Hill briefings.
Below is the excerpt from the Time article.
Well, more elections. Big Government is never popular in theory, but the disaster aid, school lunches and prescription drugs that make up Big Government have become wildly popular in practice, especially now that so many people are hurting. Samuel Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, tells TIME he's so outraged by GOP overspending, he's quitting the party -- and he's the bull's-eye of its target audience. But he also said he wouldn't support any cuts in defense, Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid -- which, along with debt payments, would put more than two-thirds of the budget off limits. It's no coincidence that many Republicans who voted against the stimulus have claimed credit for stimulus projects in their district -- or that Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal stopped ridiculing volcano-monitoring programs after a volcano erupted in Alaska. "We can't be the antigovernment party," Snowe says. "That's not what people want."
-----What would be nice is if a strong third party- I'm thinkink of the "sensible" party-would emerge. A party whose platform is fiscally sensible and whose social policy is accepting but not elevating to pedestals. ----- A third party would get us away from either/or. If the the Democrats plan is bad, well we can go with teh Republican one. With three parties a plan would have to actually make some sense instead of just being "not the other guy's"
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson
We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology. - Carl Sagan
I believe that every right implies a responsibility, every opportunity an obligation; every possession, a duty. - John D. Rockefeller, Jr.
I recall when LBJ trounced Goldwater, the same kind of talk went on. But the Republicans came back with Reagan. And George W. Bush beat Al Gore after Clinton was supposed to have brought us peach and prosperity.
But how about that press that influences elections. Gee, Obama has gotten more press in the first 100 days that Clinton and Bush combined. That should tell you something. But what?
The press is liberal and biased. And we had two Democrats in the race and Palin was the only true conservative running. BTW, she had more executive experience than the others and those who think objectively should be able to see it. Can you spend yourself into prosperity? Any good executive would know that it can't be done.
We will borrow money from other countries or print our own money until the dollar is worthless. Is that what you call a good presidential administration?
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Haahhaaahhhaaa! Clearing my throat! It's not about "PARTY"...it's about "US"! this country and our children's and grand children's future! IF....you cannot see the Marxist road you have allowed this band of idiots to take then I cannot condemn you for being a fool...but IF you are playing partisan politics and refusing to acknowledge the truth after you've seen it...then just what does that make you? Wake-up people...THIS IS really happening to this country! and a revolution will follow...Wake-up and realize it for what it is before it's too late!!!
The language of priorities is the religion of Socialism.....Aneurin Bevan
"President Obama does NOT deserve your disrespect. Nuff said."
Well...then please tell us allllll...just exactly what he has done to deserve our RESPECT? Please come to the "exact" point without the usual deluge of leftist bullshit!....Have at it---->
The language of priorities is the religion of Socialism.....Aneurin Bevan
Skippy and Potsy post exactly, almost word for word, what I hear on the Fox network at night. It is a riot.
Potsy is STILL talking about Palins "executive experience", something even the campaign dropped after realizing it wasnt going to fly.
Carolyn I must say I was rather surprised to see your little bowing character. I would never consider bowing to an elected official. I know you guys call Obama the Messiah but jeez. He's not. No, really. He's not.
Sable Writes:
Skippy and Potsy post exactly, almost word for word, what I hear on the Fox network at night. It is a riot.
Well, it could be that wisdom is not always a shared item. Two people can come up with the same ideas even though they live miles apart. In that event, they have assessed the evidence and reached the same conclusions.
Potsy is STILL talking about Palins "executive experience", something even the campaign dropped after realizing it wasnt going to fly.
Even though they dropped it, executive experience counts. For example it is the CEO who keeps the business going. And the CEO is well aware that you cannot continue to borrow money and become rich. That is what happens to companoies that go bankrupt. Their debts exceed their assets more than two to one and their creditors force them into bankruptcy.
Now, it is not my fault that Obam and those around hime haven't learned that you cannot borrow until you become rich. they look at those who bought homes and went into foreclosure. They look at those who have maxed out their credit cards and file bankruptcy because they are too far in debt. They buy cars and can't pay for them.
Obama solved the GM crisis by forcing the banks to lose money on their bonds. Those bonds represents 401Ka for people who were investing in them to retire, Then he turned over 55 percent of the stock(ownership) to th union and about 45 percent to the government.
Pardon me for suggesting that those people know nothing about running a business. But it is exactly what Lenin did in Russia. He took the businesses and farms and turned them over to people who knew nothing about making business and farms work.
Now, tell me I'm brainwashed by Fox News. I have been studing and teaching business for over fifty years. I don't need Fox, Or Obama to tell me what the country needs. I can think for myself, and that is what Americans should begin doing. Obama is doing the wrong thing. He haws no executiver experience.
He is a liberal who believes that throwing money at a problem will solve it.
So, Sable, if you had business experience, you would know that getting enough money to make the business run is far harder than tax and spend.
Yeah, of course. You'd moon us if it went the other direction. You ain't too obvious Carolyn.
Let's give it time. The DJIA is up about 700 points since GWB left office: I guess that is just random monetary/economic flow?
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Yet, earlier you were claim the intellectual high road for your side. We've been through this sooooo many times. The POTUS has very little to do with the rise and fall of the stock market. GW doesn't get credit for it having climbed and then falled during his tenure and Obama won't either.
Let's give it time. The DJIA is up about 700 points since GWB left office: I guess that is just random monetary/economic flow?
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Yet, earlier you were claim the intellectual high road for your side. We've been through this sooooo many times. The POTUS has very little to do with the rise and fall of the stock market. GW doesn't get credit for it having climbed and then falled during his tenure and Obama won't either.
When one has no set compass headings to guide themselves by they are then free to adopt whatever background color they happen to find best suits their purpose of the moment. Jim os one of the best(worst?) examples of this. He will happily play roby in one post, and then Professor Spalding in the next, never noticing the grinding inconsistancies in his myopic pursuit of pedantic ego-fluffing.
Can't argue the content so you attack the person.......typical gus. Very typical.
umm... When one is not busily cutting & pasting other people's thoughts, the content *is* the person! You *are* what you write, at least in the context of non-fiction. Sometimes it's hard to tell fiction from non-fiction in Jim's case, I'll agree.
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