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May 17 2009 at 2:54 AM

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Big Brother, Big Savings

Pay As You Drive Insurance Trades Privacy For A Discount

by Bengt Halvorson | AOL Autos

Posted: 16 May 2009

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Progressive's Pay As You Drive Device

Tim Goodwin doesn't spend much time behind the wheel of his 2004 Chevy Tahoe. Even though he only covers about 3,000 miles per year -- using it just for weekend trips -- he had, until recently, been getting no special deal on his insurance for driving so little.

Six months ago, the Springfield, Missouri property supervisor found a policy that gives him a break. So far he's saved about $48 -- or ten percent -- over six months compared to a traditional premium.

There's a catch; his insurance company, Progressive, is monitoring every move he makes behind the wheel.

Goodwin is fine with it, and says that just knowing that a small transceiver is reporting his driving behavior back to the insurance company helps him drive more carefully.

"There's this Big Brother thing, but it's good," Goodwin said. "Since I know I'm being watched, I'm on my best behavior."

Goodwin noted that he's now less likely to speed.

"You'll, in effect trade a degree of privacy for a lower rate" in such a pay-as-you-drive policy, explains Mike Barry, vice president of media relations for the Insurance Information Institute. "They know not only how many miles you drive but how and when you drive."

For now, MyRate is the only widely available pay-as-you-go auto policy -- available now in nine states (Alabama, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Jersey, and Oregon), with at least three more expected by the end of the summer. There are "tens of thousands" of drivers already enrolled, according to Progressive, and one in four existing customers of the company who've become eligible for the program have opted in.

Progressive's Pay As You Drive Device
Progressive's Pay As You Drive Device

Progressive says that MyRate may save up to 25 percent versus a traditional premium if you travel less than 10,000 miles per year, are a defensive driver, and rarely drive past midnight. What bad behaviors does the system look for? Sudden starts and stops, and driving during higher-risk times, will raise the rate -- by up to 9 percent in states where a surcharge is permitted. Progressive says that if you drive even once a week between midnight and 4 a.m. the policy probably isn't a good choice. On the flip side, smooth rural drivers who cover more than 15,000 miles a year could also save 20 percent or more.

Several other insurers, including Allstate, Unigard, and The Hartford, are testing usage-based policies; and GMAC Insurance now offers a low-mileage discount of up to 54 percent to drivers of late-model GM vehicles -- with mileage reported by the onboard OnStar communication and safety system. Another company, MileMeter, offers a system (only in Texas) through which customers pre-pay for a certain number of miles of coverage, as verified simply through the vehicle's odometer reading.

In various forms, pay-as-you-drive policies are already offered in Canada, the U.K., Japan, Israel, the Netherlands, and South Africa, but for now the wider adoption of such policies in the U.S. has been slowed by the differences between in requirements in each state.

Why So Long Coming?

Tully Lehman, a spokesman for the insurance industry in California, a state that has recently laid the framework for pay-as-you-drive policies, says that the biggest concern with surveillance-based systems like Progressive's is privacy. But there are also worries with the misinterpretation of the driving-style data.

"For instance, when the company sees hard braking," it could be driver inattention or carelessness, Lehman said. "Or, it could be a dog in the road." It also could be any number of things that have nothing to do with the driver's behavior.

Another issue is that the very vehicle you drive might not qualify you for much of a discount if it has touchy brakes or spirited acceleration; the company doesn't correct for the fact that some cars are more "responsive" than others. A Buick driver, for instance, might get more of a discount than a Mini Cooper driver simply because of the way the vehicles respond. MyRate doesn't differentiate between drivers, either.

Progressive's Pay As You Drive Device
Progressive's Pay As You Drive Device

MyRate users are able to log in and see an assessment of their driving style, along with charts and graphs and a running trip record.

While privacy advocates might already be up in arms over the data set -- which won't be shared with third parties but could be kept for up to six years -- they'll be somewhat relieved to hear that MyRate doesn't have GPS capabilities. The system knows 'when' and 'how' you drive, but not 'where.' For that, we'll leave the controversy to the GPS locators in cell phones.

Tracking exactly where users go would create serious privacy concerns, admits Steve McKay, product manager for MyRate.

"Knowing location wouldn't add a lot to the predictive value either," McKay said.

The state of California in 2006 outlawed the pricing of policies by zip code, along with several other factors.

Although the future of pay-as-you-drive plans might rest in GPS-based systems that do track where you go, it's now looking like a distant future. California has also recently adopted new regulations that set the framework for pay-as-you-go policies, but the state's insurance commissioner, Steven Poizner, is especially conscious of the privacy concerns that the technology brings.

"I will not approve any auto insurance policy that aims to utilize GPS devices in order to obtain location data from consumers," Poizner said in a release last year.

State and federal governments also have their eye on GPS systems as a new way of figuring road tax in the future. With the projected long-term market swing away from conventional gasoline vehicles toward more efficient plug-in hybrids and electric vehicles, many state officials are worried about dwindling revenue for highways. Currently, road taxes are collected via a per-gallon gasoline tax. Just earlier this year, U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood proposed a mileage-based method for calculating road tax, and several states, including Oregon, have tested a GPS-based system that would assess road tax.

Nudges Drivers To Be Safer And Greener

Drivers might simply choose pay-as-you-drive policies to get a break on their premium. But it'll likely save them even more in the long run; because they'll probably drive their cars gentler, get better gas mileage, put less wear on their vehicles, and be less prone to getting tickets.

"Just leaving the device in your car changes your behavior," Allstate spokesman Raleigh Floyd said. Because the company is scoring the driver's actions and there are measurable rewards for good behavior. "It becomes more game-like--and the benefit is that you're a safer driver."

Even Goodwin admits that he finds restraint in his Tahoe when he wouldn't have before.

"Now when I just want to floor it, I don't," he said.

They're likely to reduce their trips as well. According to a report from the Brookings Institution, if motorists paid for their auto insurance by the mile, driving would decline by about eight percent nationwide, significantly reducing carbon-dioxide emissions and gasoline consumption, and nearly two-thirds of drivers would pay less for auto insurance.

Major environmental groups and safety advocates are also on board; the ten-percent decline in driving anticipated by the Environmental Defense Fund would not only reduce air pollution and toxic runoff but also translate to saved lives, through a 17-percent reduction in crashes.

Even Progressive agrees that a pay-as-you-drive policy won't be right for everyone. Those who value their privacy or want to drive however they please can rest assured; there will still be traditional policies for the foreseeable future, experts say.

But if you're willing to take your insurer along for the ride, you might soon have a lot of money-saving options.



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skiptig4....Dan
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Re: noooooo thank you!!!!

May 17 2009, 7:49 AM 

"Major environmental groups and safety advocates are also on board; the ten-percent decline in driving anticipated by the Environmental Defense Fund would not only reduce air pollution and toxic runoff but also translate to saved lives, through a 17-percent reduction in crashes."

This is what I fail to understand...and the fact that somehow they've tagged it along with "Major environmental groups" is puzzling..."through a 17-percent reduction in crashes."

Spin or propaganda...or is it that they now really are one in the same? Every time I see something like this I begin to think of how an option can become the law. Talking about such at work or with family or friends you'll hear the usual..."They could never make that a law!" or something to that effect! All one has to do is take a look at the history of smoking! I remember the first flight I took that had the non-smokers segregated from the smokers and thinking how that wasn't a bad idea if the non-smokers didn't want to smell smoke....and now look where that's gone! Yeah...anything is possible if it's populist....look at the president of this country!

The language of priorities is the religion of Socialism.....Aneurin Bevan

 
 


(Login j2saret)

Re: noooooo thank you!!!!

May 17 2009, 12:22 PM 

unfortunately, skippy is on the right track (no pun intended) Jim Oberstar has latched on to this sort of device to propose a mileage tax on driving to go with the gas tax.

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson

We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology. - Carl Sagan

I believe that every right implies a responsibility, every opportunity an obligation; every possession, a duty. - John D. Rockefeller, Jr.

 
 

gus.
(Login gus-mccrea)

Re: noooooo thank you!!!!

May 17 2009, 12:36 PM 

  FWIW, GM's "Onstar", and whatever the other makers call their factory-option-installed "road service" conveniences, do exactly the same thing.

gus.

 


 
 
skiptig4....Dan
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Re: noooooo thank you!!!!

May 17 2009, 3:13 PM 

Here in NC we've had to have our vehicles inspected and a inspection sticker placed in the lower left hand side of the windshield since around 68-69...and this year the sticker has just "gone away"...."Poof!"...but your vehicle still must be inspected before you can renew your tags. Now the thing about your inspection date and your tag renewal is that they might be months apart...well, that "was" the case...now your inspection has to be done the month you renew and what does that mean you ask....well, your mileage for the year will be turned in at the same time your tags are renewed via the inspection data...how ironic! By the state knowing how many miles you've driven in the last year they can then assess a tax on a per-mile basis....and another irony, the once tell-tale inspection sticker that has always been a cash cow for the state isn't important any longer--->because they'll get more money from the mileage tax and the inspection people as well as the state will still get paid for the inspection farce!...and on top of that we have to pay a yearly property tax on each vehicle to the county and IF you haven't payed your county taxes on your vehicle the STATE will not allow you to renew your tag! The mileage tax hasn't happened yet due to the fact that this is the first year of the vanishing inspection sticker and all the vehicles will have cycled through by the end of the year....next year I'm betting it will be jammed down our throats along with the other bullshit state taxes, county taxes, city taxes, and the federal taxes Obama is laying the groundwork for--->welcome to the Democrat's version of the United States!...and BTW...gas prices are rising again without George Bush and his "Rich" oil friends being the cause....wonder who's behind it this time, same people maybe? Food prices haven't gone down since the last gas price scam...but they have been downsized haven't they! There is no way in this or any other world Obama can pay for what he's spending by just raising the taxes on the "Richest" 2 to 5%...and where's the mass of the money lay....that's right, it's the middle class that will pay it, who else can? Damn!

The language of priorities is the religion of Socialism.....Aneurin Bevan


    
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Jennifer
(Premier Login AquarianPath)

Re: noooooo thank you!!!!

May 17 2009, 6:56 PM 

I'm with you all. This is just an invasion in privacy. No thank to Onstar. No thank you to Brinks. No thank you to any of that crap!!!

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(Login roby2000)

Re: noooooo thank you!!!!

May 18 2009, 11:01 AM 

It is an invasion of privacy to a point, Jen.  But I think we are not going to be able to do anything about it. I have a NYC Metrocard that automatically refills when the balance is low.  The little snag is that, every two months, I get a statement telling me when, where and what route I took during the last 60 days.  This data is also readable on line forever.  This is probably what Orwell predicted and it is only 20 years late.  There is no real concern on my part since I am not a person who travels around doing harm to others and the benefits of technology outweighs this inconvenience, IMHO.  But, I do find it a little disturbingly weird that they spend money even gathering and storing this stuff.   It is one of the penalties we suffer, along with the benefits of living in the hyper-technological 21st century.  Sigh!

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gus.
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Re: noooooo thank you!!!!

May 18 2009, 4:58 PM 

It is an invasion of privacy to a point, Jen.  But I think we are not going to be able to do anything about it. I have a NYC Metrocard that automatically refills when the balance is low.  The little snag is that, every two months, I get a statement telling me when, where and what route I took during the last 60 days.  This data is also readable on line forever.  This is probably what Orwell predicted and it is only 20 years late.  There is no real concern on my part since I am not a person who travels around doing harm to others and the benefits of technology outweighs this inconvenience, IMHO.  But, I do find it a little disturbingly weird that they spend money even gathering and storing this stuff.   It is one of the penalties we suffer, along with the benefits of living in the hyper-technological 21st century.  Sigh!

   Wow, sport!  A whole paragraph!  And holy crap, not a *single* profanity!(gasp!)  I knew you had it in you!(no pun)  All it took was a little motivation.  Glad to help, I'm just that kind of guy.  Your thinking is a little squirrely, but hey, one thing at a time, no problemo.  Gotta run, buh-bye! *chortle*

gus.

 

 

 


 
 


(Login MissSable)

Re: noooooo thank you!!!!

May 18 2009, 5:31 PM 

NY/NJ EZ Pass sends me a statement every month, online, detailing what tolls and bridges are charged to me. Last month, my son took my car up to NJ and went with some friends to a Yankee game. I asked him who was driving to game and he told me one of this friends. I said good, I really dont want you to take my car into the Bronx because the miles are getting racked up. Please just leave it at your friends house and give it a break. No problem, he says.

So the EZ Pass statement comes in. There, on the date of the game, are these entries.

Garden State Parkway, North

NJ Turnpike

George Washington Bridge

Busted.


 
 
Janie
(Login pphhrogg)

Interesting

May 18 2009, 8:46 PM 

We have Progressive Insurance for our cars (actually, a car, a truck, and a motorcycle), and we don't use the truck nearly as often as we use the car.  I'm going to have to look into this deal.

 

 





 
 

roby2000
(Login roby2000)

Re: noooooo thank you!!!!

May 19 2009, 11:00 AM 

Poor gussie mae, you just can't stay away from me can you?  I was waiting with breath that was abated, to see when you would attack me personally again.  You can't help it.  I've seen desperate lonely people who can only exist in a vaccuum of total internet anonymity, mainly because nobody cares whether you live or die.  When someone ignores your ignorant pomposity, you just have to respond.  Are you getting bored sitting here 24/7?  Get a life, they are great.   And talking about squirrelly, lick my nuts. 

Poor social cripple.  *Pffft, snort, chortle, fart!*

Now come on, show me how you are going to make me pay the fiddler.   I'll be back later maybe.  I got stuff to do.  With other human beings.

 



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