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we'll see if diplomacy (appeasement) works with this group

May 20 2009 at 6:25 PM
gillis7  (Login gillis7)


Iran tests missile with range that can hit Israel


TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Iran test-fired a missile capable of striking Israel, U.S. Mideast bases and Europe on Wednesdaya show of strength touted by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as he battles for re-election next month against more moderate opponents.

The U.S. responded by saying Iran must choose between destabilizing the Middle East or accepting the dialogue offered by President Barack Obama. The U.S. leader threatened earlier this week that Iran could face further international sanctions if it does not respond positively by year-end to U.S. attempts to open negotiations on its nuclear program.

Israel said the test appeared to be Iran's response to a positive meeting on Monday between Obama and new Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

U.S. officials confirmed the launch and Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said in Washington that Iran is at a crossroads and must choose its course.

"They can either continue on this path of continued destabilization in the region or they can decide that they want to pursue relationships with the counties in the region and the United States that are more normalized," said Whitman. "Our concerns are obviously based on nuclear ambitions and the implications that long- and medium-range missiles have with respect to that," he added.

Alex Vatanka, a senior Middle East analyst at Jane's Information Group, said the test "does not change the strategic equation" in the region because Iran has had the ballistic missile capability to hit Israel and much of the Middle East for more than a decade with its Shahab missiles.

It was likely intended to send a message to the Obama administration that Iran cannot be bullied into talks and also to show the country's strength in hopes that would boost Ahmadinejad's popularity among voters in the June 12 election, Vatanka said.

Iran says its missile program is merely for defense and its space program is for scientific and surveillance purposes. It maintains that its nuclear program is for civilian energy uses only.

Tehran said the solid-fuel Sajjil-2 surface-to-surface missile has a range of about 1,200 miles. It is a new version of the Sajjil missile, which the country said it successfully tested late last year and has a similar range. Many analysts said the launch of the solid-fuel Sajjil was significant because such missiles are more accurate than liquid fuel missiles of similar range, such as Iran's Shahab-3.

"Defense Minister (Mostafa Mohammad Najjar) has informed me that the Sajjil-2 missile, which has very advanced technology, was launched from Semnan and it landed precisely on the target," state radio quoted Ahmadinejad as saying. He did not name any targets for the missile when he spoke during a visit to the city of Semnan, 125 miles east of the capital Tehran, where Iran's space program is centered.

Italy said its foreign minister, Franco Frattini, canceled a planned trip to Iran on Wednesday because Ahmadinejad wanted to meet in Semnan rather than in Tehran.

Najjar said the Sajjil-2 differs from the Sajjil missile because it "is equipped with a new navigation system as well as precise and sophisticated sensors," according to Iran's official news agency.

Sajjil means "baked clay." It is a reference to a story in the Quran, Islam's holy book, in which birds sent by God drive off an enemy army attacking the holy city of Mecca by pelting them with stones of baked clay.

Two U.S. officials confirmed the missile launch, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record.

"It appears the test was a success," one official said. "It appears they launched a medium-range missile."

After the test, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton warned that if Iran manages to produce nuclear weapons, it would "spark an arms race" in the Middle East.

Iran's nuclear and missile programs have alarmed Israel. Prime Minister Netanyahu pressed Obama to step up pressure on Tehran when the two met in Washington on Monday.

Moshe Arens, a former Israeli defense minister who trained in the U.S. as an aerospace engineer, said Wednesday's test was apparently part of Iran's broader quest to develop more advanced missiles and nuclear capability.

"They're increasing their abilities to launch rockets of longer and longer range that go beyond Israel and into Europe and eventually will carry nuclear weapons," he said. "They're troublemakers and you have to deal with troublemakers."

Ahmadinejad has repeatedly called for Israel's elimination, and the Jewish state has not ruled out a military strike to deal with the Iranian nuclear threat. The Israeli government has been skeptical of U.S. overtures to Iran, which have received a mixed response from Ahmadinejad.

Many Western experts have expressed skepticism about Iran's professed military achievements, saying the country provides no transparency to verify its claims. Most believe Iran does not yet have the technology to produce nuclear weapons, including warheads for long-range missiles.

The U.S. released an intelligence report about 18 months ago that said Iran abandoned a secret nuclear weapons program in 2003 under international pressure and has not restarted it.

Israel and several other countries have disputed the finding. But many in the West at least agree that Iran is seeking to develop the capability to develop weapons at some point. A group of U.S. and Russian scientists said in a report issued Tuesday that Iran could produce a simple nuclear device in one to three years and a nuclear warhead in another five years after that.

The study published by the nonpartisan EastWest Institute also said Iran is making advances in rocket technology and could develop a ballistic missile capable of firing a 2,200-pound nuclear warhead up to 1,200 miles "in perhaps six to eight years."

After the testing of the Sajjil in November, a senior U.S. military official said Washington believed Iran was testing the first stage of what would be a two-stage rocket. Multiple stages allow long-range missiles to use less fuel.

The launch came just weeks before the vote that could influence Iran's response to the U.S. outreach. Two of the three candidates approved by Iran's constitutional watchdog to run in the June election are reformists who favor improving ties with the West.

The hard-line president has been criticized by his opponents and others for antagonizing the U.S. and mismanaging the country's faltering economy. On Wednesday, the constitutional watchdog approved three candidates to challenge Ahmadinejad, setting up a showdown between reformists and hard-liners.

 
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(Login jrooth)

Re: we'll see if diplomacy (appeasement) works with this group

May 20 2009, 6:48 PM 

Diplomacy does not equal appeasement.


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Re: we'll see if diplomacy (appeasement) works with this group

May 20 2009, 6:56 PM 

Diplomacy does not equal appeasement.

Unfortunately, Jan, to some anything short of  bombs and war equals appeasement.   They're not any further evolved than the ones they want to do away with.


 
 


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Re: we'll see if diplomacy (appeasement) works with this group

May 20 2009, 7:00 PM 

Diplomacy does not equal appeasement.

For non-thinkers, it does.


 
 

cjgrill
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Re: we'll see if diplomacy (appeasement) works with this group

May 20 2009, 8:30 PM 

Every country that wants nukes will get nukes. Nukes = power and every government that wants them will get them. The United States of America needs to work on a top notch nuclear defense.... as if our Nations very survival depends on it, because it does. All of the crying pissing moaning and groaning about the issue will do nothing to stop all countries that want nukes from getting them. The best we can hope for is that the people/countries who would want to use them as an act of aggression will screw up and nuke themselves before they can nuke others.

The following is a list of states/countires that have admitted the possession of nuclear weapons

USA, Russia, UK, France, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea.

 Isreal will neither confirm nor deny possession of nukes.

Other known nuclear powers; Iran, Syria.

Under NATO nuclear weapons sharing, the United States has provided nuclear weapons for Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey to deploy and store. This involves pilots and other staff of the "non-nuclear" NATO states practicing handling and delivering the U.S. nuclear bombs, and adapting non-U.S. warplanes to deliver U.S. nuclear bombs.

 

 


 
 
Janie
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Not quite true, cj....

May 20 2009, 8:59 PM 

Isreal will neither confirm nor deny possession of nukes.

http://crooksandliars.com/2006/12/13/olmert-admits-israel-has-nukessort-of

And the USA has confirmed that Israel has PLENTY of nukes.....

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/israel_has_nukes_177.html





 
 

(Login gillis7)

if ever a bully needed dressing down.........

May 21 2009, 7:56 AM 

Diplomacy does not equal appeasement.


when this group shakes its nuclear fist at you and has declared its intention (for decades to destroy you and everything you stand for......
anything that allows continued buildup of arms capability is appeasement...and to them shows weakness


they are the funding of many of the IEDs that kill Americans in Iraq
go talk to the man who wants America and Israel destroyed (openly and loudly)
talk to the thug with his fist swinging in your direction


 
 


(Login jrooth)

Re: we'll see if diplomacy (appeasement) works with this group

May 21 2009, 8:49 AM 

when this group shakes its nuclear fist at you and has declared its intention (for decades to destroy you and everything you stand for......

Heh ... Nikita Khrushchev 1960: "We will bury you."

Didn't stop us from talking to the Soviets.


anything that allows continued buildup of arms capability is appeasement...and to them shows weakness

So you imagine that not talking to them will prevent buildup of arms capability? Really?


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(Login gillis7)

uh....Jan

May 21 2009, 9:13 AM 

Heh ... Nikita Khrushchev 1960: "We will bury you."

Didn't stop us from talking to the Soviets.


"We will bury you."....

the speech was about burying us from the inside incremental socialism, not military attack,
he was right ....the grave digger is in office now


military attack threats?
that's Iran....Idle?...
see Iraq.....they already kill our soldiers through training and funding.....


i think we should let (encourage) Israel protect itself fully

 
 

(Login gillis7)

Re: we'll see if diplomacy (appeasement) works with this group

May 21 2009, 9:15 AM 

So you imagine that not talking to them will prevent buildup of arms capability?



not talking to them?

no ...let's give them a seat on the human rights commission at the UN

hell let's get them into NATO

 
 

(Login gillis7)

talk?

May 21 2009, 9:22 AM 

by being "not Islam".....you are the enemy of Islam

 
 


(Login jrooth)

Re: we'll see if diplomacy (appeasement) works with this group

May 21 2009, 9:23 AM 

Come on, Gillis ... the Soviets were building up a huge nuclear arsenal as well as mechanized infantry capable of over-running Europe in a week. They were sponsoring hostile client states all over the world (Cuban Missile Crisis ring any bells? How about Vietnam?)




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gillis7
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nam?

May 21 2009, 11:31 PM 

jan are you saying we were justified in going to Vietnam?

 
 


(Login jrooth)

Re: we'll see if diplomacy (appeasement) works with this group

May 22 2009, 9:04 AM 

jan are you saying we were justified in going to Vietnam?

Huh? Where did you get that from? This was about conducting diplomacy with adversaries who threaten us militarily.


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