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Judicial Activism

May 27 2009 at 5:22 PM

  (Login jrooth)

Interesting:


We found that justices vary widely in their inclination to strike down Congressional laws. Justice Clarence Thomas, appointed by President George H. W. Bush, was the most inclined, voting to invalidate 65.63 percent of those laws; Justice Stephen Breyer, appointed by President Bill Clinton, was the least, voting to invalidate 28.13 percent. The tally for all the justices appears below.

Thomas 65.63%
Kennedy 64.06%
Scalia 56.25%
Rehnquist 46.88%
OConnor 46.77%
Souter 42.19%
Stevens 39.34%
Ginsburg 39.06%
Breyer 28.13%

One conclusion our data suggests is that those justices often considered more "liberal" - Justices Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, David Souter and John Paul Stevens - vote least frequently to overturn Congressional statutes, while those often labeled "conservative" vote more frequently to do so. At least by this measure (others are possible, of course), the latter group is the most activist.



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Re: Judicial Activism

May 27 2009, 5:36 PM 

the republican mantra for a long time has been: Elect Governors and Presidents because they appoint the judges. Control the courts, control the constitution. Perhaps before the end of Obama's eight years, the right wing justices assault on the 4th amendment will be stopped.

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gus.
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Re: Judicial Activism

May 27 2009, 9:49 PM 

   This is not exactly clear, so by all means, correct me if I'm wrong.  Are you saying that the SCOTUS ruling on the constitutionality of laws made by Congress is "judicial activism"?

gus.

 


 
 

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Re: Judicial Activism

May 27 2009, 9:55 PM 

This is not exactly clear, so by all means, correct me if I'm wrong.  Are you saying that the SCOTUS ruling on the constitutionality of laws made by Congress is "judicial activism"?

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Well, if you believe that laws that Congress enacts are part of the legislative process, then those who strike down those laws would be seen as "activists", yes.

Jim...


 
 


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Re: Judicial Activism

May 27 2009, 10:02 PM 

This is not exactly clear, so by all means, correct me if I'm wrong. Are you saying that the SCOTUS ruling on the constitutionality of laws made by Congress is "judicial activism"?

Well, the common description I've heard Republicans give for "judicial activism" is "legislating from the bench" or "making law instead of ruling by the letter of the law" or something of that sort. What is overturning the will of the legislative body if not "making law?"

Now mind you, I understand that all this crap about "judicial activism" the Republicans go on about is a bunch of bullshit. They love judicial activism if it's right wing activism. And they hate any liberal ruling, whether it's activism or not. "Judicial activism" as it is commonly use is really just a code phrase for "liberal."


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Re: Judicial Activism

May 27 2009, 10:08 PM 

The numbers and percentages really tell us nothing about why the laws are struck down. A strict constructionist can find more things to throw out than a liberal Justice.

For example one who is strict looks closely at the letter of the law to determine if the law fits into the construct of the constitution. When it is determined that t does not, he would say the ;law is unconstitutional.

OTOH a liberal would look at the law and determine that it is something that the Founders should have said and would have said if the conditions existing now existed then.

The activist would be the one who interprets the law in the modern light bhelieving that the constitution is a living Document and subject to change.

Numbers don't lie, but you need to discover the reason for the numjbers. And the fact is that your argument is meaningless until you know why Thomas ruled the way he did.















 
 

gus.
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Re: Judicial Activism

May 27 2009, 10:29 PM 

Well, the common description I've heard Republicans give for "judicial activism" is "legislating from the bench" or "making law instead of ruling by the letter of the law" or something of that sort. What is overturning the will of the legislative body if not "making law?"

   Ruling on the constitutionalty of existing law is their *job*!  And it's their *only* job!  There is a *huge* difference between applying the litmus of the Constitution to a given law, and ruling up or down, and *re-writing* an existing law to suit their interpretation.  In the latter case, the judges *usurp* the powers of the Congress. 

Now mind you, I understand that all this crap about "judicial activism" the Republicans go on about is a bunch of bullshit. They love judicial activism if it's right wing activism. And they hate any liberal ruling, whether it's activism or not. "Judicial activism" as it is commonly use is really just a code phrase for "liberal."

   I can see where you would think that, from your perspective.  But the reality is that by and large, Republicans(I prefer Conservatives) are *much* more strict constructionists than Liberals usually are.  And the result, of course, is therefore more examples of judicial activism.  Liberals, and their "living document" excuse, feel much more free to re-write law to suit *their* newest living document interpretations as they see them.

gus.

 

 


 
 
gillis7
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Re: Judicial Activism

May 27 2009, 10:38 PM 

What is overturning the will of the legislative body if not "making law?"


making law is interpreting the constitution to fit an ideology that does not fall under the original intent of the document that defines our society

is the supreme court there to make law ?...or to interpret the law that is already made....(230 years ago)

the will of the legislative body must comply with the law (the constitution ) which defines them and the law...when it does not comply with the law (the constitution)

it is not law............that is why the supreme court is there


the will of the legislative body must comply with the law as they legislate

the will of the court must comply with the law as they interpret what the law is...not write new law

 
 

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Re: Judicial Activism

May 27 2009, 10:42 PM 

making law is interpreting the constitution to fit an ideology that does not fall under the original intent of the document that defines our society
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That is true.

And you violate it daily. [and, I bet that makes you hopping mad]

Jim...


 
 

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Re: Judicial Activism

May 27 2009, 11:05 PM 

That is true.

And you violate it daily. [and, I bet that makes you hopping mad]

Jim...
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tell me how

 
 

(Login Avalon99)

Re: Judicial Activism

May 28 2009, 1:32 AM 

tell me how

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By the manner in which you rail against everything that has happened in the nation since the Constitutional Convention of 1789.  You want a confederation... it ain't gonna happen buckwheat.

Jim..


 
 


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Re: Judicial Activism

May 28 2009, 1:34 AM 

By the manner in which you rail against everything that has happened in the nation since the Constitutional Convention of 1789.  You want a confederation... it ain't gonna happen buckwheat.

Stupid answer. Buckwheat.




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Re: Judicial Activism

May 28 2009, 1:39 AM 

Stupid answer. Buckwheat.

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How so, Alfalfa?

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Re: Judicial Activism

May 28 2009, 8:05 AM 

Ruling on the constitutionalty of existing law is their job! And it's their only job!

No kidding, buckwheat. But according to you guys if one doesn't do that with a radical right-wing predisposition, it's evil "judicial activism."


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gus.
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Re: Judicial Activism

May 28 2009, 12:04 PM 

Ruling on the constitutionalty of existing law is their job! And it's their only job!

No kidding, buckwheat. But according to you guys if one doesn't do that with a radical right-wing predisposition, it's evil "judicial activism."

   Not the girls I run with.  Strict constructionism is exactly that, with no wiggle room for agendas for either side, party, or whatever.  The history of rulings on the 2nd is a pretty good example.

gus.

 


 
 

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Re: Judicial Activism

May 28 2009, 7:06 PM 

No kidding, buckwheat. But according to you guys if one doesn't do that with a radical right-wing predisposition, it's evil "judicial activism."


Can there be anything more judicially active that saying the Consti9tution guarantees the right to same-sex marriage? The strict constructionists would say that is the 10 Amendment and i9s left up to the states.
The activists would read the right to marry is granted by the constitution and it asllows you to wed your dog if you like.

 
 


(Login j2saret)

Re: Judicial Activism

May 28 2009, 7:11 PM 

gosh potese, I would love to read a post, article, letter, piece, pamphlet or any such thing by an activist who is trying to say it is constitutional to wed your dog. Put up or admit that you continue as either liar or total idiot. Don't post something by some rightwing raving lunatic that thinks he is a pastor. Post the actual words of a proven activist.


Liar Liar, potese is still a liar.

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Moniker
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Re: Judicial Activism

May 28 2009, 7:16 PM 

The reason for those numbers is pretty clear.

The SCOTUS has to clean up all the crappy laws passed by liberal lawmakers.

It would be interesting to see if those numbers correlate with citizen-inspired work such as state-wide ballot initiatives and amendments to state and local constitutions.



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Re: Judicial Activism

May 28 2009, 9:03 PM 

gosh golly gee wiz, how many Republican presidents had the opportunity to veto those crappy laws? I expect the republicans have passed more than their far share of bullshit laws.

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson

We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology. - Carl Sagan

I believe that every right implies a responsibility, every opportunity an obligation; every possession, a duty. - John D. Rockefeller, Jr.

 
 

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Re: Judicial Activism

May 28 2009, 9:05 PM 

The SCOTUS has to clean up all the crappy laws passed by liberal lawmakers.

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Care to list even 5 of them Moniker?  With context and cites.

Thank you.

Jim..


 
 
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