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May 29 2009 at 8:24 PM

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Obama sure Sotomayor would restate 2001 comment

I'm sorry folks, but "personal experience" should play a part in translating the LAW...   AP  President Barack Obama announces federal appeals court judge Sonia Sotomayor, right, as his nominee for  By BEN FELLER, Associated Press Writer Ben Feller, Associated Press Writer 26 mins ago

WASHINGTON President Barack Obama on Friday personally sought to deflect criticism of Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor, who finds herself under intensifying scrutiny for saying in 2001 that a female Hispanic judge would often reach a better decision than a white male judge. "I'm sure she would have restated it," Obama flatly told NBC News, without indicating how he knew that.

The quote in question from Sotomayor has emerged as a rallying call for conservative critics who fear she will offer opinions from the bench based less on the rule of law and more on her life experience, ethnicity and gender. That issue is likely to play a central role in her Senate confirmation process.

Obama also defended his nominee, saying her message was on target even if her exact wording was not.

"I think that when she's appearing before the Senate committee, in her confirmation process, I think all this nonsense that is being spewed out will be revealed for what it is," Obama said in the broadcast interview, clearly aware of how ethnicity and gender issues are taking hold in the debate.

The president's damage control underscored how the White House is eager to stay on message as the battle to publicly define Sotomayor picks up.

Obama's top spokesman, Robert Gibbs, told reporters about Sotomayor: "I think she'd say that her word choice in 2001 was poor."

Gibbs, however, said he did not hear that from Sotomayor directly. He said he learned it from people who had talked to her, and he did not identify who those people were. Sotomayor herself has made no public statements since her nomination became official Tuesday and was not reachable for comment.

A veteran federal judge, Sotomayor is poised to be the first Hispanic, and the third woman, to serve on the Supreme Court.

She said in 2001: "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life." The remark was in the context her saying that "our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging."

Sotomayor's comments came in a lecture, titled "A Latina Judge's Voice," that she gave in 2001 at the law school of the University of California, Berkeley.

After three days of suggesting that reporters and critics should not dwell on one sentence from a speech, the White House had a different message Friday.

"If you look in the entire sweep of the essay that she wrote, what's clear is that she was simply saying that her life experiences will give her information about the struggles and hardships that people are going through, that will make her a good judge," Obama said in the broadcast interview.

Sotomayor appears headed for confirmation, needing a majority vote in a Senate, where Democrats have 59 votes. But beyond the final vote, White House officials are pushing for a smooth confirmation, not one that bogs down them or their nominee. Plus, Obama wants a strong win, not a slim one.

Obama told NBC that part of the job of a Supreme Court justice is to stand in somebody else's shoes and that Sotomayor will do that. "That breadth of experience, that knowledge of how the world works, is part of what we want for a justice who's going be effective," Obama said.

More than one line in the 2001 speech has helped drive the debate over Sotomayor's judgment.

She also said, for example: "Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see."

"My hope is that I will take the good from my experiences and extrapolate them further into areas in which I am unfamiliar," she said. "I simply do not know exactly what that difference will be in my judging. But I accept there will be some based on my gender and my Latina heritage."

At the time Sotomayor gave the speech, she was in the same job she is now, a federal appeals court judge. She said then she was reminded daily that her decisions affect people and that she owes them "complete vigilance in checking my assumptions, presumptions and perspectives."

"I willingly accept that we who judge must not deny the differences resulting from experience and heritage," she added, "but attempt, as the Supreme Court suggests, continuously to judge when those opinions, sympathies and prejudices are appropriate."

In announcing Sotomayor as his choice, Obama said he wanted a judge who would "approach decisions without any particular ideology or agenda, but rather a commitment to impartial justice." But he also called her life experience essential, saying she had an understanding of "how ordinary people live."

Next week, Sotomayor will begin face-to-face meetings with senators as the confirmation process begins to take shape.

 




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Jim
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May 29 2009, 8:33 PM 

Susan, do you really care what her judicial record actually is?  Or, are you only interested in the politics of personal destruction?

No wonder you conservatives hate context so much; every time it happens, you lose.

Jim...


 
 


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May 29 2009, 8:42 PM 

Susan, do you really care what her judicial record actually is?  Or, are you only interested in the politics of personal destruction?

No wonder you conservatives hate context so much; every time it happens, you lose.

I have read much on her "judicial record" Jim.  Your problem is wanting to control what I choose to discuss or make comments on...... 




~~life isn't about how to survive the storm but how to dance in the rain~~

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
Japanese Proverb

 
 

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May 29 2009, 8:47 PM 

I have read much on her "judicial record" Jim.  Your problem is wanting to control what I choose to discuss or make comments on...... 

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You are a laughably thoughtless conservative..  You can post whatever you want..  But, to believe that I won't denigrate your thoughtlessness, and then pretend that you really have something to say; well, that is pure idiocy.

Just like Carolyn..  my admonition to leave doesn't mean that you should, it is only because you are totally irrelevant. 

You have my personal invitation to stay.  Capice?

Jim..

[note:  just like Fossil, you don't have the intellectual guns to really engage..  so, you substitute with ad hominem homilies and post neocon bumper stickers...  I'm calling you on it.]



    
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May 29 2009, 8:59 PM 

Just like Carolyn..  my admonition to leave doesn't mean that you should, it is only because you are totally irrelevant. 

Irrelevant is a relevent term.  Look around you Jim.  You have rowed your boat to the middle of the lake...if you sink, no one will notice.

You have my personal invitation to stay.  Capice?

Oh, I will leave when I choose to.  I happen to like the new management. 




~~life isn't about how to survive the storm but how to dance in the rain~~

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
Japanese Proverb

 
 

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May 29 2009, 9:24 PM 

Oh, I will leave when I choose to.  I happen to like the new management. 

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Will you also stay when you choose to?  Or, is your participation so precious, that we cannot do without it?

Jim...


 
 


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May 29 2009, 9:35 PM 

Will you also stay when you choose to?  Or, is your participation so precious, that we cannot do without it?

Yeah, that's the ticket...pffft. 

Interesting though...sometimes what one rhetorically posts is very telling.




~~life isn't about how to survive the storm but how to dance in the rain~~

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
Japanese Proverb

 
 

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May 29 2009, 11:11 PM 

Interesting though...sometimes what one rhetorically posts is very telling.

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Actually, I am asking you to stick around. 

What? You want somebody to beg?

Jim...


 
 
AJC
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May 30 2009, 12:12 AM 

Alito says it during confirmation hearings. She makes the comment as part of an essay and it is taken out of context.

Alito was supported by the same gang that is trying to get her run out of town on a rail.

The the more these wingnuts follow Rush, Newt, and Anne the further they are moving from having any importance.




 
 

gus.
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May 30 2009, 12:23 AM 

Susan, do you really care what her judicial record actually is?  Or, are you only interested in the politics of personal destruction?

  Did the Dems care what Thomas' judicial record was?  Wasn't it you who brought up pubes on a Coke can?  Clean your own frigging house, ace, *then* your silly froth about Conservatives *might* have a shred of relevance.  Myself, I don't want a racist/racial activist on the damned Supreme Court, I don't care what their record is.

gus.

 


 
 
Jim
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May 30 2009, 1:15 AM 

Did the Dems care what Thomas' judicial record was?  Wasn't it you who brought up pubes on a Coke can? 

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Listen dipshit...  I'm the one who said the dems were stupid for NOT looking at Thomas's judicial record, and they were doubly stupid for going to the "pubes on a coke can" ...  keep up, or get off your horse and go to the barn.

Jim...


 
 

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May 30 2009, 10:40 AM 

It should always be looking at judicial records and qualifications. But ideology is too important to the liberals to have strict constructionists on the Court.,

The reason is obvious. they could never get their agenda legislated; therefore, the pack the court and become activists to accomplish their goals.

 
 


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May 30 2009, 11:03 AM 

"If you look in the entire sweep of the essay that she wrote, what's clear is that she was simply saying that her life experiences will give her information about the struggles and hardships that people are going through, that will make her a good judge," Obama said in the broadcast interview.


Exactly.

A question far all those criticizing this comment: Have you actually read the whole speech?


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gus.
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May 30 2009, 11:19 AM 

A question far all those criticizing this comment: Have you actually read the whole speech?

   Yeah I know, anybody and everybody who ever gets caught with their fly unzipped immediately starts screaming "context!".  None of which, of course, explains here active membership in La Raza.  And if you think they are a Mexican rotary club, check out a few of their mission statements.  Can you imagine if Roberts or Alito had been linked with the PNAC?

gus.

 


 
 


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May 30 2009, 2:02 PM 

A question far all those criticizing this comment: Have you actually read the whole speech?

Yes Jan, I HAVE...and I still ~gasp~ disagree with some of her opinions (and surprise, I agree with many of them)...You simply can't ascribe to the notion everyone does not agree with you.   Sooo....you ask, "have your read it"??  Meaning that because I or someone else have a different opinion it must be because we either didn't read it, or we didn't "get" it.  You are so so so so.....full of yourself. 

I don't care if she grew up on the back streets of Chicago, or in with the zip code 90201....she is there to apply the LAW, not see it from one side or another.  I don't care what she brings with her.  She will be deciding cases that she may know nothing about...not all SCOTUS cases are about "the little guy".  There are big guys there also. 




~~life isn't about how to survive the storm but how to dance in the rain~~

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
Japanese Proverb

 
 


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May 30 2009, 2:31 PM 

Interesting though...sometimes what one rhetorically posts is very telling.

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Actually, I am asking you to stick around. 

What? You want somebody to beg?

Jim, that statement had nothing to do with me.  It was about you.  Nuance is so totally lost on you.

I haven't said anything about going anywhere..... 




~~life isn't about how to survive the storm but how to dance in the rain~~

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
Japanese Proverb

 
 

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May 30 2009, 6:04 PM 


"If you look in the entire sweep of the essay that she wrote, what's clear is that she was simply saying that her life experiences will give her information about the struggles and hardships that people are going through, that will make her a good judge," Obama said in the broadcast interview.


Gee, one wonders why liberls diodn't consider that in the lives of other nominees? And what difference does that make? Does it mean that a person who has to struggle has the right to stel fr5om his neighbor just because his neighbor has more?

Can a rich man not understand why people stel and why there are laws against it? That logic can be applied to every other law. But stealing from th=e rich to help the poor is not r4eally justice is it?

Obama is not the genius you think he is. heis still that mann in the empty suit.

You need a sense of rightenousness to be a judge--You don't need empathy.

 
 
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