Actually, I expect they're all going to pretend real hard that they didn't hear this:

Question: So is sending this signal that we're not going to use these kind of techniques anymore, what kind of impact does this have on people who do us harm in the field that you operate in?

Gen. Petraeus: Well, actually what I would ask is, "Does that not take away from our enemies a tool which again have beaten us around the head and shoulders in the court of public opinion?" When we have taken steps that have violated the Geneva Conventions we rightly have been criticized, so as we move forward I think it's important to again live our values, to live the agreements that we have made in the international justice arena and to practice those.

When we on the left raised exactly these points over the past several years, we were excoriated by the right. So will we see the same treatment for Gen. Petraeus?

Are you talking about the same man that the left called General Betrayus? Why should you believe anything the traitor says?

The left is the one who called him a liar before he ever opened his mouth. And now you want to tell the right that that man is saying something =important only because it agrees with your opinion.

Says a lot about you lefties. It says no one should believe you because you tell lioes.

First of all, Poetse, "the left" as a whole didn't do that. One organization did one ad which called him that. I never did, so you can't reasonably hold me to account for that characterization.

Second, why do you demand such consistency from "the left" but completely excuse yourself and your fellow-travelers on the right from any kind of consistency? There were weeks and weeks of right-wing firestorm about that one MoveOn.org ad, and pretty much universal agreement among not only the Republican right-wingers but the entire political establishment that Petraeus was above questioning. So how about acknowledging and agreeing with what he said here? How about admitting that those of us on "the left" who have been saying exactly this for years were right?

  Well good grief...  I suppose a *very* high-profile general in the US army is going to say:  "Well, I think torture is pretty cool, and it sure has come in handy!".

   Sometimes I just have to wonder... well, not really.  During WWII, German troops did all they could do that was humanly possible to make their way to the US lines west of Berlin, rather than be taken prisoner by the Russians advancing from the east.  I wonder why that is?  What if they had had some memo from the Russian army stating "we don't torture", and they knew they could depend on it?  Ya think that might have had an impact on their plans?  Just like the gun-control issue, the Left does an amazing job of completely ignoring common sense human nature in pursuit of their agenda.

gus.

 

First of all, Poetse, "the left" as a whole didn't do that. One organization did one ad which called him that. I never did, so you can't reasonably hold me to account for that characterization.

The left as a whole fought the war effort of G W Bush. Move On was a part of that effort. Their ad would have been perfectly acceptable except it was too ridiculous. But it was generally the same line of thinking conducted by the Democrats. they were against the war and any success that Bush might have had. Winning the election was their purpose.


Second, why do you demand such consistency from "the left" but completely excuse yourself and your fellow-travelers on the right from any kind of consistency?

I command consistency in every action unless something significant occurs or is revealed that causes a reasoning man to change is mind.


There were weeks and weeks of right-wing firestorm about that one MoveOn.org ad, and pretty much universal agreement among not only the Republican right-wingers but the entire political establishment that Petraeus was above questioning.

I would hope sop because it would have really been an act of treason for the General to Betrayus. So why shouldn't everyone oppose the ad.


So how about acknowledging and agreeing with what he said here? How about admitting that those of us on "the left" who have been saying exactly this for years were right?

Of course he is right in what he said. Our8r media--such as Move on and others are the reason we are beaten on the head and shoulders. If it were not for the media, such things would not be published to make America look like terrorists. But recall, the lies the media printed. And why they printed those. Korans being flushed down the toilet and Dan Rther's famous speech, and on and on with deceit.

Wait until they hear what former Vietnam war company commander, former commandant of the Marine Corps, former NATO commander and former Little boy Bush national security ambassador (also current Obama national security advisor) Gen Jones had to say last week He said that Obama's strategy, tactics and presidential style are keeping America safer than the Bush Chaney approach did. Listen here

U.S. National Security Advisor discusses threats facing the nation
Broadcast: Midday, 05/29/2009, 12:00 p.m.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/05/29/midday2/


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National Security Advisor and retired Marine general James Jones dicusses threats facing the nation in his first U.S. address as security chief.

General Jones spoke this week at an event hosted by the Atlantic Council of the United States in Washington, D.C.

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