They believe in universal health care so that the government is in control and conservatives cannot make profits on health care insurance.

And Governor Lamb says it is the duty of the old to die because they are a burden on the health care system. And of course there is a need to abort unwanted pregnancies because they would drin the parents of money. Therefore, Liberals prefer to kill many people before they get here and others when they are too old to be useful.

Now compare that with the liberal mantra that the conservatives are greedy and want to make all of that money. Damn, I think we've figured out why. Liberals are the greedy, materialist and want all of that money for themselves.

you'd best hope your health care covers an anal-cranial inversion potese.

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson

We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology. - Carl Sagan

I believe that every right implies a responsibility, every opportunity an obligation; every possession, a duty. - John D. Rockefeller, Jr.

They believe in universal health care so that the government is in control and conservatives cannot make profits on health care insurance.

OK Im sorry but this is the stupidest, most uninformed and totally without merit  statement I have ever seen on this board. I am literally speechless.

This is the explanation I got about why his posts don't make sense sometimes.

Could be that I am thinking faster than I am writing, and it leaves a lot of gaps.

Very simple for anyone to understand. When the government gets into the health care insurance, the privte companies will cease to exist.

Now, AJC, what is so hard to understand about tht? If you had paid attention to the Aetna CEO you would have known that he stated the same opinion.

Doesn't make sense to you? Well, I am not surprised.

And this last post is supposed to relate somehow to the first one.

Well, AJC, Let mne connect the dots for you.

When the government takes over the health care, the private insurance companies will go out of busines because everyone will switch to the government plan. Would you if you were an employer and could cut expenses? Of course.

Those greedy conservatives who run the private insurance companies will be out of business. Therefore, they will not be making profits. Notice the first post. Liberals object to ther conservatives making profits.

Now is that easy enough to understand.

Hey, Obama has taken over the banks and the auto industries and when they take over health care, they will also take over the insurance of health care.

Now if you can't understand the post, I will not be surprised. Liberals want the government to be in control and private saector eliminated. You should have seen that copming, but obviously you are not aware of what is going on.

I understand exactly what you meant in the second post but the first and this last drag on and somehow what you are trying to say gets buried.

J2 and Sable ho=ad no difficulty understanding it.



They believe in universal health care so that the government is in control and conservatives cannot make profits on health care insurance.

L:iberals want to have helth care for everyone so tht no private insurance company can compete with them. Therefore, conservatives who are for private enter5prise will be forced out of the market./B>

And Governor Lamb says it is the duty of the old to die because they are a burden on the health care system. And of course there is a need to abort unwanted pregnancies because they would drin the parents of money. Therefore, Liberals prefer to kill many people before they get here and others when they are too old to be useful.

The money hungry liberals want older people to du=ie as evidenced by Governor Lams's statement. they have the duty to die so that the cost of health care may be kept under control They want abortions so that the government does not have to pay out welfare to people who cannot afford children..

Now compare that with the liberal mantra that the conservatives are greedy and want to make all of that money. Damn, I think we've figured out why. Liberals are the greedy, materialist and want all of that money for themselves.

The last paragraph shows that it it is the li8berals who are greedy because they refuse competition and the government gets all of the money. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are prime examples.

Now that should be simple enough for you to understand.

Many seniors on Medicare still have private supplemental insurance and their Medicare Part D from private companies. 

How can that be????

So potese, you are a bookkeeper with pretensions of economics, right?

If I posted the link to audio of an economics professor explaining that our heathcare system uses a failed business model and that we could reduce costs by a half (but would have wait times) or by a quarter and have the same lack of wait times we have now, you would listen to the hour and give us your considered analysis, right? No off hand remark like---communist or just disappearing for a month. In the interest of informed discourse you would reply in a serious vein, right?

I have the link. I heard the show. Just let me know.

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson

We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology. - Carl Sagan

I believe that every right implies a responsibility, every opportunity an obligation; every possession, a duty. - John D. Rockefeller, Jr.

Poet when dealing with the far left keep in mind this is the DNC Kool-Aid Crowd.....they believe whatever they're told and no amount of logic or facts will change that.

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If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of progress?

Many seniors on Medicare still have private supplemental insurance and their Medicare Part D from private companies.

How can that be????

I am familiar with Medicare and supplemental insurance. And i also realize that Medicare is going bankrupt and many doctors are not accepting patients for what mediocare and their supplimental plans pay. So, while there will be private plans available, the cost will become prohibitive and insurance companies will not be able to make a profit. Therefore, the private insurance companies will go bankrupt.

It is a scam.

So potese, you are a bookkeeper with pretensions of economics, right?

If I posted the link to audio of an economics professor explaining that our heathcare system uses a failed business model and that we could reduce costs by a half (but would have wait times) or by a quarter and have the same lack of wait times we have now, you would listen to the hour and give us your considered analysis, right? \

It would be interesting to see what he says and what mathematical formuli he uses to improve the health care. Unfortunately, it has failed in every other country that it has been tried. And while things look good on paper, they sometimes fail in actual practice. But post iot and we will see what he has to say.<?B>


No off hand remark like---communist or just disappearing for a month. In the interest of informed discourse you would reply in a serious vein, right?

I am always more serious than you are, J2.




I have the link. I heard the show. Just let me know.

did you listen carefully and critically?

There are a number of countries that have better statistical health outcome than the US at less than half the cost, Poetse.

You're right, Jo. It's always good to see what one economist says.

I am reminded of that old story of the former students of and economics profess returning for a school reunion. They laughed at him for giving the same tests year after year. But the professor just smiled and said, "The questions are always the same because the answers keep changing."

That may be why Biden and Obama have admitted their stimulus package is not working. Real economists ? We shall see.

Yes, Jan, there may be. But they don't have a Congress that refuses to read legislation before passing it.

I am not in favor of one payer method of health care from the government. But that still did not prevent me from voting for Obama.

Well, fiscon, few of =us are one-issue voters. We look at the overall program and then decide which liar to vote for or against.

They believe in universal health care so that the government is in control and conservatives cannot make profits on health care insurance.

OK Im sorry but this is the stupidest, most uninformed and totally without merit statement I have ever seen on this board. I am literally speechless.


Thanki you Sable, but I invi9te you to compare my statement with Governor Lamb's. Which one illustrates the liberal philosopy mopre nearly accurate?

Of course, governor Lamb doesn't post to this board so I have the championship.

Banks, Auto industry, energy, health care and the list goes on. But you don't see it do you, Sable?

Thanki you Sable, but I invi9te you to compare my statement with Governor Lamb's. Which one illustrates the liberal philosopy mopre nearly accurate?

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Whoever said that Lamb had anything to do with anything besides speaking his own mind?  Has any of his beliefs even been introduced into Congress?  You continually do this shit poetse, you find somebody who was a dem, and take their statements, and attribute it to all dems/liberals, what have you.  I didn't agree with governor Lamb when he said it, and I don't agree with him now.  Nor has his sentiment EVER been included in the Dem platform.

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Of course, governor Lamb doesn't post to this board so I have the championship.

Banks, Auto industry, energy, health care and the list goes on. But you don't see it do you, Sable?

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You don't have any "championship" poetse...  Except that of lamest poster on this board.  You are delusional if you think otherwise.

Jim..

Hey, Jim, when the government contributes funds to anything, thier smal;l share entitles them to call the shots. Public schools--Hey look at GM. Obam is running GM--Well his underlings. And look at the banks.

Sorry you can't see what is obvious.

And as for Lamb, those in charge make the same decisions rather than letting the doctors decide what is best for the patient. Happens in the VA all the time.

Hey, Jim, when the government contributes funds to anything, thier smal;l share entitles them to call the shots. Public schools--Hey look at GM. Obam is running GM--Well his underlings. And look at the banks.

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Is Obama running GM?  If so, tell me how.  You make these assertions, and you never prove them.  Or his "underlings"?  What the hell does that mean?  And what was the vaporous reference to "public schools"?  As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with anything in this thread.

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Sorry you can't see what is obvious.

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Of course I can.  I just don't see what is "obvious" to you.  And, I've never seen you post anything that leads me to believe that you have superior knowledge of anything.

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And as for Lamb, those in charge make the same decisions rather than letting the doctors decide what is best for the patient. Happens in the VA all the time.

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Bullshit.  My wife has been a VA RN for many years during her career, and she describes a much different scenario.  Please cite your sources on this assertion.  I think, no, I know, you are full of shit.

Jim...

As Poet has stated he thinks faster than he can write and that means there are continually gaps in his posts.

Apparently he can't help it. Hopefully, it wasn't evident in the classroom.

Hey, Jim, when the government contributes funds to anything, thier smal;l share entitles them to call the shots. Public schools--Hey look at GM. Obam is running GM--Well his underlings. And look at the banks.

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Is Obama running GM? If so, tell me how. You make these assertions, and you never prove them. Or his "underlings"? What the hell does that mean? And what was the vaporous reference to "public schools"? As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with anything in this thread.



It's a shame you don't read the headlines and listen to the news. Are you totally unaware that GM has been restructured. Really? You must be half asleep. Obama appoin ted a Car Czar. A lawyer who knows nothing about econ or autos. Check the link at the bottom. And the reference to the schools means that federal aid took the control of the schools from the local district to Washington. T^oo bad you just don't keepup.


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Sorry you can't see what is obvious.

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Of course I can. I just don't see what is "obvious" to you. And, I've never seen you post anything that leads me to believe that you have superior knowledge of anything.

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And as for Lamb, those in charge make the same decisions rather than letting the doctors decide what is best for the patient. Happens in the VA all the time.

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Bullshit. My wife has been a VA RN for many years during her career, and she describes a much different scenario. Please cite your sources on this assertion. I think, no, I know, you are full of shit.

Jim...


Well there you go. One opinion like Lamb's. Do you recall Building 18/ Walter Reed? Well? would you admit it? And there are vets who do not get the treatment they need because they are given the run-a-round by bureaucrats. Your wife wouldn't know about that because she deals with those patients who are admitted.




http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21348.html

As Poet has stated he thinks faster than he can write and that means there are continually gaps in his posts.

Apparently he can't help it. Hopefully, it wasn't evident in the classroom.


Well, you do appear to be the only one that doesn't know what's going on.
Trid=ed to help you, but I think you are intentionally falliung behind.

Well, you do appear to be the only one that doesn't know what's going on.
Trid=ed to help you, but I think you are intentionally falliung behind.

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What actually gives you superior, and/or a priori knowledge?

Jim..

Poet,

As I said early, more often than not you ramble and your posts are unclear. And your reason was that you think faster than you can write.

If your communication skills have always been this poor it is difficult to conceive of you being very effective as an instructor.

I have observed that you avoid the subject of debate in preference to attacking me and my ability to communicate. You are a very good communicator because I don't have to ask why you avoided the subject and attacked me.

If I recall correctly, that is what Ann Copulter said was typical of liberals.

You do understnd that don't you?

And Jim, only your arrogance causes you to debate in such a stupid manner.

Edited to add:
At least I hope it's your arrogance. I know you are shallow, but I don't really think you're stupid.

You don't like liberals or at least you don't like what you think they believe. Not much to debate about a like or dislike.

You don't like liberals or at least you don't like what you think they believe. Not much to debate about a like or dislike.

Well, AJC, Liking a person has nothing to do with a debate. You can use reason in de4bates even if you don't like the person.

And we always challenge the things we believe. It doesn't matter if we like or dislike the belief. The belief is valid when it is based on both experience and past events that permit us to reason through the present circumstances to reach a better position.

For example, have you every borrowed enough money that you became prosperous?

If you can do that, Obama is doing the right thing. If you cannot do that, Obama is doing the worng think. It has nothing to do with likes or dislikes. It has to do with reason and liking or disliking the policy. It either takes us to where we want to go or it takes us farther from our destination.

Borrowing money if leveraged properly can result in a positive return, can't it?

Borrowing money if leveraged properly can result in a positive return, can't it?


True. However,if you recall some companies went bankrupt because they were over leveraged. Therefore, one needs to look at the potential income and the amount of debt that the company can afford. Generally a 2:1 current ration is good for most companies. A 1:1 long-term ratio is generally safe for most companies. But over leveraging gets companies into difficulty.

Notice that when the creditors own more of the company than Stock holders own, the creditors will quit investing in that company and force bankruptcy. Exactly what happened to GM and they got screwed by the Obama Administration.

Edited to add: Have you noticed that many foreign countries are not buying our debt? Know why? Well, they are afraid they will not get paid on their investments. Just as the GM bondholders got the shaft, the foreign investors fear the US can't pay it's bills. They realize that the taxpayers can't afford an Obamanation.

So you can borrow your way to prosperity.

No, AJC, you cannot do that. If you could there would be no foreclosures, no credit card debt defaults. You cannot borrow your way to prospoerity.

That is why Obama's program will fail. Bidden has already said the stimulus is not working. And Obama knows it as well.

But, people who are wise can use leverage to get ahead. But no one is accusing any liberals of being wise. And I see more evidence of that on this board constantly. Liberals are living in a dream world that is going to come crashing down.

Borrowing money if leveraged properly can result in a positive return, can't it?


True. However,if you recall some companies went bankrupt because they were over leveraged

You need to make up your mind. A positive return is a profit. And ir you can borrown funds, invest them at more than the cost of the funds, you will be borrowing your way to prosperity.

You need to make up your mind. A positive return is a profit.


A positive return is a profit but you are dealing with investments rather than leveraged assets.



And ir you can borrown funds, invest them at more than the cost of the funds, you will be borrowing your way to prosperity.

Exactly, and I have done that very thing. But, it is not possible to do it consistently. I borrowed money pon my insurance policy, and invested it in a CD. The insurance policy ws paying 2% while the CD paid 6. I was making 4% excluding taxes.

However, there are not many investments that will allow you to do that. If there is rampant inflation you can make that kind of investment. But notice, that you are talking about investments. In what is the government investing?

They are not investing in some bond that will pay a six percent interest. they are investing in public works. Now that money will go out into the various communities and be spent, However, it will not create any jobs other than public works--And these will cause the government to go into deep4er debt--deficits-- and they will have to borrow more money from China or other foreign countries or investors to have the money to pay for those works.

Then when it comes time to pay those debts. the government will raise tases on people who are overburdebned with taxes to pay those debts.

Again, it is wisdom that is lacking.

A business making similar investments would build another factory, or another branch office, or merge with anlother company. They wouyld keep the borrowed money at a reasonable lkevel so that the new buildinds and facilities could be paid for with the profits from sales.

Now compaqre that with you borrowing from something you own to invest at a higher rate.