A North Carolina congressman who supports an overhaul of the health care system had his life threatened, as increasingly raucous protests are greeting pro-reform lawmakers at town hall meetings across the country.

Democratic Rep. Brad Miller received the death threat in a phone call Monday, one of hundreds the congressman's office has fielded demanding town-hall meetings on the health care proposal, said his spokeswoman, LuAnn Canipe.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/08/north-carolina-lawmaker-gets-death-threat-health-reform/

.....that they can trace where that call came from and arrest the THREATENER.

I'm sure I've heard at least one person on this board brag about the fact that it is almost exclusively the moonbats who engage in such behavior.  Go figure.

Isn't violence the reich wing's answer to everything, from abortion to health care.

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So you've been missing those reports about the thugs who have been give their marching orders by the Democrats. I got one in an e-mail.

So you've been missing those reports about the thugs who have been give their marching orders by the Democrats. I got one in an e-mail.

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ok, let's see the email, plus the link.

Jim..

5 facts about the anti-reform mobs

1. These disruptions are being funded and organized by out-of-district special-interest groups and insurance companies who fear that health insurance reform could help Americans, but hurt their bottom line. A group run by the same folks who made the "Swiftboat" ads against John Kerry is compiling a list of congressional events in August to disrupt. An insurance company coalition has stationed employees in 30 states to track where local lawmakers hold town-hall meetings.

2. People are scared because they are being fed frightening lies. These crowds are being riled up by anti-reform lies being spread by industry front groups that invent smears to tarnish the President's plan and scare voters. But as the President has repeatedly said, health insurance reform will create more health care choices for the American people, not reduce them. If you like your insurance or your doctor, you can keep them, and there is no "government takeover" in any part of any plan supported by the President or Congress.

3. Their actions are getting more extreme. Texas protesters brought signs displaying a tombstone for Rep. Lloyd Doggett and using the "SS" symbol to compare President Obama's policies to Nazism. Maryland Rep. Frank Kratovil was hanged in effigy outside his district office. Rep. Tim Bishop of New York had to be escorted to his car by police after an angry few disrupted his town hall meeting -- and more examples like this come in every day. And they have gone beyond just trying to derail the President's health insurance reform plans, they are trying to "break" the President himself and ruin his Presidency.

4. Their goal is to disrupt and shut down legitimate conversation. Protesters have routinely shouted down representatives trying to engage in constructive dialogue with voters, and done everything they can to intimidate and silence regular people who just want more information. One attack group has even published a manual instructing protesters to "stand up and shout" and try to "rattle" lawmakers to prevent them from talking peacefully with their constituents.

5. Republican leadership is irresponsibly cheering on the thuggish crowds. Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner issued a statement applauding and promoting a video of the disruptions and looking forward to "a long, hot August for Democrats in Congress."

It's time to expose this charade, before it gets more dangerous. Please send these facts to everyone you know. You can also post them on your website, blog, or Facebook page.

Now, more than ever, we need to stand strong together and defend the truth.

That email supports the contention that the thugs have been given their marching orders by Democrats?

How exactly does it do that? Anything specific might be helpful?

I still want to see the links to those issues... 

thank you.

Jim..

I thought I told you that I received in in an email. It is put out by the DNC.

I thought I told you that I received in in an email. It is put out by the DNC.

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So, you are saying that you cannot provide a link?

[I wouldn't believe you if you told me the "sky was blue" ... give us a link]

Jim..

[in essence, you are a liar and a thug...  ]

Ok so you say it is from the DNC.

But how does it prove that the DNC gave the thugs disrupting the meetings their orders?

I hope......

August 8 2009, 6:38 PM

.....that they can trace where that call came from and arrest the THREATENER.

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Yes, me too.  Will you announce your shock and still call for their arrest IF the caller turns out to be an SEIU or ACORN, etc. member whose sole purpose for calling was to cause cancellation of said townhalls? 

Here's the email and a link:

http://www.democrats.org/a/2009/08/five_facts_abou.php

And, plenty of comments, too.

And, familiarize yourselves with healthcarenow.org...

http://healthcareforamericanow.org/site/fight

whose members include the following groups:

http://healthcareforamericanow.org/site/content/who_we_are/

Who supports HCAN?

Health Care for America Now and its principles for reform are supported by President Obama, Vice President Biden, and more than 190 Members of Congress. HCAN has more than 1,000 member organizations in 46 states. We are doctors, nurses, community organizations, labor unions, small business owners, faith-based groups, people of color, seniors, and childrens and womens rights groups.

For the complete list of HCAN members, view our membership list.

Our Steering Committee includes: ACORN, AFL-CIO, AFSCME, AFT, Americans United for Change, Campaign for Americas Future, Center for American Progress Action Fund, Campaign for Community Change, Childrens Defense Fund Action Council, Communications Workers of America, International Union, United Automobile, Aerospace & Agricultural Implement Workers of America (UAW), MoveOn.org, NAACP, National Council of La Raza, National Education Association, National Womens Law Center, SEIU, UFCW, USAction, Women's Voices, Women's Vote and Working America.

 

Here's but one of healthcarenow's blog posts:

The Guns of August: A Call to Arms for Progressives and Obama Activists

History buffs will recognize The Guns of August as Barbara Tuchman's classic history of World War I. The reference works now because August 2009 just opened with trench warfare on health care reform. Unfortunately, the right-wing mob is seeing some early superficial success. We need to enter the battlefield immediately to defend the President's top priority, providing a guarantee of good, affordable health care to all this year.  This is a call to arms for the army of activists who powered President Obama to the White House.

fringers and crazies and tea-baggers, oh my.... (not!)

So, you are saying that you cannot provide a link?

[I wouldn't believe you if you told me the "sky was blue" ... give us a link]

Jim..

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Poetse didn't provide the link, but I did yesterday, above.  Maybe you didn't see it, so I'm bumping this post hoping to get your attention, and read any comments you'd contribute regarding the DNC email, now that you know it's origination.  TIA.

Bump again for Jim.  The link has been provided, showing the DNC memo.  Comments, now that it's proven to have originated at the DNC?

Bump.

 

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A North Carolina congressman who supports an overhaul of the health care system had his life threatened, as increasingly raucous protests are greeting pro-reform lawmakers at town hall meetings across the country.

Is it any wonder???  You know this happens on both sides....in any society where people are not being LISTENED to....stop with the self-righeous indignation....gawd

~~life isn't about how to survive the storm but how to dance in the rain~~

Only dead fish go with the flow - Sarah Palin

Well, goooolllllleeee, said in my best Gomer Pyle voice.  Two days I've bumped this information Jim wanted to see and it's being ignored.  I guess the truth doesn't meet the smell test for "thoughtful discussion" when the proof was provided that the email was sent by the DNC as Poetse stated.

Thanks for the extra bump, Moniker, even though it didn't seem to help...lol. 

So, now Rep. Miller is saying this:

Greensboro, NC -- North Carolina Representative Brad Miller says he's one of hundreds of lawmakers who have received death threats over the proposed health plan.

http://www.digtriad.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=128490&catid=57

Then, why is he the only person stating there have been death threats made?  Surely, out of 535 lawmakers someone else would have spoken about it, too?  This is beginning to sound like that young woman (McCain supporter) who said an Obama supporter beat her up, which was subsequently proven false.

IF there have been death threats made, let's see the evidence, as it's most assuredly going to be available with simple investigations.  And, as I asked Jane, will there be shock when (IF) the calls/faxes were actually made and IF they are traced back to SEIU, ACORN, etc. in attempts to stop the townhalls and/or silence opposition?

 

Although Jim will likely ignore this additional information about healthcarenow, as he has ignored the link provided for the DNC email (proof) and the links to HCAN, I'm posting this newer information anyway in hopes others will take time to 'get' the connection to HCANs history and how they are in bed with the DNC and the WH:

Undercutting the Struggle for Real Reform

Health Care Now's Big Con

By HELEN REDMOND

A high-powered lobbying group is gearing up to push for what it calls health care reform--but the group has already made huge concessions to big business at the outset and endorses Barack Obama's inadequate health care plan.

The organization, Health Care for America Now (HCAN), was formed in July of this year. The group stole its name from Healthcare-Now, a national grassroots organization that supports a "single-payer" health care system modeled on Medicare, in which the government would act as the single insurer. HCAN, by contrast, backs Obama's supposedly more "realistic" approach, which preserves the central role of the private insurance companies, who have left more than 47 million people uninsured.

There have been important, if modest, steps taken to organize around single-payer by activists across the country in the past several years. HCAN threatens to derail this movement, and channel it into support for Obama.

HCAN is made up of major liberal and labor organizations. The steering committee includes four big unions--AFSCME, Service Employees International Union, United Food and Commercial Workers and the National Education Association--plus Moveon.org, the community organizing group ACORN, the National Council of La Raza and Planned Parenthood.

Each of these organizations donated $500,000 to HCAN. Atlantic Philanthropies, funded by billionaire-turned-philanthropist Chuck Feeney, kicked in $10 million to bring the total war chest to $40 million.

That cash allowed the group to kick off a multimillion-dollar national ad campaign. It hired organizers, created a flashy Web site, produced videos attacking the health insurance industry, contacted members of Congress to sign on to a statement titled "Which Side Are You On?" and created a buzz that poorly funded grassroots groups in favor of single-payer couldn't match.

HCAN's national campaign manager is Richard Kirsch, a former supporter of single-payer himself. He abandoned that position in 1993 to lobby for Bill and Hillary Clinton's dead-on-arrival Health Security Act. Clinton's failed proposal would have created "regional health alliances" that preserved the private health-care industry--but Kirsch supported it anyway.

Recently, single-payer advocates got some momentum with HR 676, a bill sponsored by Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) that would create a Medicare-style national health care program. But HCAN's Kirsch opposes the effort. As he wrote in response to questions from single-payer activists:

The goal of Health Care for America Now is to build a national movement to win the implementation of health care reform that meets the principles in our Statement of Common Purpose. We believe that a properly designed single-payer bill is one way of doing that, but not the only way.

Many of the organizations that belong to HCAN support a single-payer reform and have endorsed HR 676. But in joining HCAN, they recognize that the major focus needs to be on winning quality, affordable health care for all rather than advocating for only one approach.

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IN PLACE of single-payer, HCAN claims to offer a "bold new solution" to the health care crisis--a hybrid system of three options: keep your private insurance plan, pick a new private insurance plan, or join a government-financed public plan. HCAN further calls for tougher regulation of health insurance companies to "quash greed once and for all."

In fact, there's nothing bold or new about HCAN's plan. David Himmelstein, cofounder of Physicians for a National Health Plan (PNHP), calls the HCAN proposal "a superficially attractive health reform that has a long record of failure--akin to prescribing a placebo for a serious illness when effective treatment is available."

As Rose Ann DeMoro, executive director of the California Nurses Association, wrote in an open letter to HCAN titled, "Why is Health Care for America Now Giving up on Real Reform?" "There's only one way to stop the insurance industry abuses--it's to actually stop them."

Several states have tried to implement HCAN's strategy of extending coverage while leaving private insurers in place. All such efforts have failed--in Oregon in 1989, in Tennessee, Minnesota and Vermont in 1992, and Massachusetts in 2006.

Under the Massachusetts plan, for example, the uninsured are legally mandated to purchase costly and substandard insurance policies, or lose their income tax deductions. Two years after the program began, 7 percent of the state's population remained uninsured, and 86,000 people gave up their $219 personal tax exemption. The plan was also much more expensive than anticipated, with the budget for this year increased by an additional $150 million, to $869 million.

By contrast, a national, single-payer solution would be more cost-effective and wouldn't penalize low-income people who can't afford individual insurance mandates. As DeMoro wrote, "In search of a supposedly politically viable plan, [HCAN has] surrendered in advance on the only overhaul that will actually cure the disease, a single-payer, expanded and improved Medicare-for-all reform."

To understand HCAN's logic, it's important to note that it is not a grassroots campaign, but a lobbying group, with headquarters on K Street in Washington. HCAN works with Democratic leaders in Congress as well as Obama's campaign. Its proposals closely parallel Obama's, so it's no surprise that he signed on to HCAN's statement of common purpose.

What was a surprise to single-payer activists is that John Conyers, the sponsor of the single-payer bill HR 676, signed on with HCAN. As Conyers said in a press release:

I am proud to join HCAN's broad progressive campaign to raise awareness about the need for true universal health care reform. The HCAN coalition and I are united by our belief that the current non-system of health care run by profit-hungry insurance companies is unsustainable and inhumane...

I remain firmly committed to the passage of my single-payer universal health care bill, HR 676, and believe that private insurance will never provide the kind of guaranteed affordable health care America needs. However, I agree with HCAN that a true policy debate in the Congress can only begin when there is broad consensus that the sham reform trumpeted by the industry is off the table.

Why would Conyers join forces with an organization that explicitly preserves a role for the "profit-hungry insurance companies"? Why wouldn't he try to win the organizations on the steering committee on HCAN to work for his single-payer legislation? It's because he accepts the logic of political "realism" as defined by big business and the Washington powerbrokers.

con't @  http://www.counterpunch.org/redmond10172008.html

 

 

Will you announce your shock and still call for their arrest IF the caller turns out to be an SEIU or ACORN

Will you  leave the board forever and go BACK to sue's board where you belong WHEN it doesn't turn out to be anyone from SEIU or ACORN?

inka... I don't care what you say, or ask for.  You are as stupid as Susan and Carolyn.  Good luck, but, I have no desire to respond to anything you post. 

You are an idiot. 

Jim...

You know. the sad part is Inka used to be a nice guy until he became a neocon.

Hillary's loss turned him mad....

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And the real pains in the ass are permanent.

You know. the sad part is Inka used to be a nice guy until he became a neocon.

   I'll give you due credit there, Maw.  You've never been nice...

gus.

 

Ahhhhh gee Gus. And I've always considered YOU a sweetheart.....

 

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I've learned that the people you care most about in life are taken from you too soon and
all the less important ones just never go away.
And the real pains in the ass are permanent.

inka... I don't care what you say, or ask for.  You are as stupid as Susan and Carolyn.  Good luck, but, I have no desire to respond to anything you post. 

You are an idiot. 

Jim...

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Fine, Jim.  Don't respond.  Call me stupid.  Call me an idiot.  It's what you do best when you've no answers, are provided facts, or when backed into a corner or proven wrong.  What these things do not do, is hold up to any claims you've made about a desire for "thoughtful discussions" or your apparent feigned hunger for "facts".

You asked for the link to Poetse's claim that the action items were a directive from the DNC.  I provided it.  I called it to your attention.  You're ignoring the factual information that was provided in response to your inquiry.  You're also ignoring other pertinent information that's been provided for heatlhcarenow, and it's intimate agenda/relationship with the Obama administration and their membership list/activities.  And, you're also, along with most other dems/libs, ignoring major, impactive issues in general now, things that, before, would have had you speaking up, and often.  You've curled yourself into a very comfy and seemingly newly acquired fetal political position on any issue other than Sarah Palin, your former "foxy" Annie Oakley.

I said to you before that your three-year-rule hasn't worked well.  You made that mistake with Bush and Palin.  And, it seems you're now going to sit back, or lie in your fetal position, for three years of Obama.  YOU are being the idiot since you haven't learned from your previous two 'three-year-rule' mistakes.

 

Sure	August 14 2009, 5:12 PM

Will you announce your shock and still call for their arrest IF the caller turns out to be an SEIU or ACORN Will you  leave the board forever and go BACK to sue's board where you belong WHEN it doesn't turn out to be anyone from SEIU or ACORN?

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Jane, I'm sure you'll take the time to follow this story and then report back to the board once the investigation is done.  I'll make my decision then.

LOL...I've read some of your posts over at MyWay.  Why don't you go there, instead, as it is a better fit.  Your years of thousands of childish posts, largely insults, is boring and is not what can be considered "thoughtful discussion".  But, it gets you through your day, releasing all those years of Nurse Ratched pent-up anger, and I'm sure Bul and the dogs are glad for that!

 

You know. the sad part is Inka used to be a nice guy until he became a neocon.

Hillary's loss turned him mad....

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Maw, I'm not a neocon and Hillary's loss didn't turn me mad.  I'm not mad, in any sense of the word.  Quit LYING.  And, please don't be sad and cry for me Argentina.  Political analysis isn't your forte.  Especially since your political insight is largely gathered from the As Seen On TV political giants who appear on or host The View, Oprah, Dr. Phil, etc..

I said to you before that your three-year-rule hasn't worked well.  You made that mistake with Bush and Palin.  And, it seems you're now going to sit back, or lie in your fetal position, for three years of Obama.  YOU are being the idiot since you haven't learned from your previous two 'three-year-rule' mistakes.

   Jim doesn't care for defense at all.  His beloved professorial pronouncements from on high are by nature primarily offensive(in both meanings of the word).  During the Bush years, he was happy to "shallow pretender" himself to the heavens, swinging his sword of Liberal Indignation with a mighty visage of himself in the mirror.  He appears to be not quite so enthusiastic about *defending* the bumbling laughable efforts of the morons in *his* White House, *his* Congress, and *his* party.  I can't say as I blame him, nobody ever said he was stupid.

  So he contents himself with offensive professorial pronouncements from on high about the *posters*, instead of the issues or the players.  In his imperial delusion, he thinks these to be somehow an equivalent of his perceived glory-days, maintaining and extending his grand image of himself.  Nothing anyone here could possibly do is going to change that.

gus.

 

 

 

Maw, I'm not a neocon and Hillary's loss didn't turn me mad.  I'm not mad, in any sense of the word.  Quit LYING.  And, please don't be sad and cry for me Argentina.  Political analysis isn't your forte.  Especially since your political insight is largely gathered from the As Seen On TV political giants who appear on or host The View, Oprah, Dr. Phil, etc..

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Maybe you're right about polotical analysis not being my forte. But it's not yours either.

I do watch the View. Don't watch Oprah and never watch Dr. Phil, etc...

Now whose your new hero, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, glenn Beck or Oreilly?

You seem to be in their camps now.

TOUCHE'

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I've learned that the people you care most about in life are taken from you too soon and
all the less important ones just never go away.
And the real pains in the ass are permanent.