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which side is trying to scare america?

August 11 2009 at 9:08 AM
gillis7  (Login gillis7)

our health care system is bad?
we must change it now?

really?

MEDICINE AND HEALTH:
Heres a Second Opinion

By Scott W. Atlas

Ten reasons why Americas health care system is in better condition than you might suppose. By Scott W. Atlas.

Medical care in the United States is derided as miserable compared to health care systems in the rest of the developed world. Economists, government officials, insurers, and academics beat the drum for a far larger government role in health care. Much of the public assumes that their arguments are sound because the calls for change are so ubiquitous and the topic so complex. Before we turn to government as the solution, however, we should consider some unheralded facts about Americas health care system.

1. Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers. Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the United Kingdom and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

2. Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians. Breast cancer mortality in Canada is 9 percent higher than in the United States, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher, and colon cancer among men is about 10 percent higher.

3. Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries. Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit from statin drugs, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease, are taking them. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons, and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

4. Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians. Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate, and colon cancer:

* Nine out of ten middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to fewer than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).

* Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a Pap smear, compared to fewer than 90 percent of Canadians.

* More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a prostatespecific antigen (PSA) test, compared to fewer than one in six Canadians (16 percent).

* Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with fewer than one in twenty Canadians (5 percent).

5. Lower-income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report excellent health (11.7 percent) compared to Canadian seniors (5.8 percent). Conversely, white, young Canadian adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower-income Americans to describe their health as fair or poor.

6. Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the United Kingdom. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as longsometimes more than a yearto see a specialist, have elective surgery such as hip replacements, or get radiation treatment for cancer. All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada. In Britain, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.

7. People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and British adults say their health system needs either fundamental change or complete rebuilding.

8. Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the health care system, more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared with only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).

9. Americans have better access to important new technologies such as medical imaging than do patients in Canada or Britain. An overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identify computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decadeeven as economists and policy makers unfamiliar with actual medical practice decry these techniques as wasteful. The United States has thirty-four CT scanners per million Americans, compared to twelve in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has almost twenty-seven MRI machines per million people compared to about six per million in Canada and Britain.

10. Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations. The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other developed country. Since the mid- 1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to U.S. residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined. In only five of the past thirty-four years did a scientist living in the United States not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.

Despite serious challenges, such as escalating costs and care for the uninsured, the U.S. health care system compares favorably to those in other developed countries.

This essay appeared on the website of the National Center for Policy Analysis on March 24, 2009. An earlier version was published in the Washington Times.



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AJC
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Re: which side is trying to scare america?

August 11 2009, 10:57 AM 

The ones who keep talking about death panels?

 
 
Janie
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Yep.....

August 11 2009, 8:58 PM 

...I'll go with AJC's answer, too....especially since there are NO "death panels" whatsoever and never will be either.



 
 

Barbara
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Re: which side is trying to scare america?

August 11 2009, 9:01 PM 

Both.

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What is the essence of America? Finding and maintaining that perfect, delicate balance between freedom "to" and freedom "from." ~Marilyn vos Savant, in Parade

 
 

Moniker
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Re: which side is trying to scare america?

August 11 2009, 9:02 PM 

Yeah, both.

And Obama's allies haven't even started their $150 million dollar TV campaign yet.



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gus.
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Re: which side is trying to scare america?

August 11 2009, 11:47 PM 

And Obama's allies haven't even started their $150 million dollar TV campaign yet.

  That's going to be interesting.

1.  They are entirely too arrogant to even dream of actually addressing people's *genuine* fears about Obamacare.  So the ads will just be more of the same ol' demonization bullshit, essentially preaching to the choir, to no net effect.

2.  This movement wasn't born on TV.  It is the same internet phenomenon that raised such support for Obama in the first place.(I find that irony delicious)  So the net effect of a TV blitz that *used* to be virtually guaranteed effective, is questionable at best.

gus.

 


 
 

(Login Avalon99)

Re: which side is trying to scare america?

August 12 2009, 12:38 AM 

They are entirely too arrogant to even dream of actually addressing people's *genuine* fears about Obamacare.

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Actually, what are the "genuine" fears about the Health Care Reform Bill?..  (it ain't "Obamacare" ..  it was written by the House of Representatives)...

Jim...


 
 

gus.
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Re: which side is trying to scare america?

August 12 2009, 1:02 AM 

Actually, what are the "genuine" fears about the Health Care Reform Bill?..  (it ain't "Obamacare" ..  it was written by the House of Representatives)...

1. A comprehensive, and well-founded over-riding fear of trusting the federal govt. with that much of our lives, and that much of our economy, ergo: that much of our nation.

2. A total disbelief in Obama's fatherly assurances of a continued, and viable public-option, and a well-founded anger at his hypocrisy/flip-flop on a single-payer system.

3. A healthy skepticism/total disbelief on the sales-pitch over the costs.  How much really?  No new taxes?  pffttt...  Self-sustaining? pffttt...  Medicare overhaul?  pffttt...  That list goes on for awhile.

4. Suspicion, well-founded, created over the over-hyped, and totally fabricated urgency that was pushed hard by Obama, and failed.  *Nobody* buys a car that way!

5.  Public outcry over the dawning realization that not only did few congresscritters intend to even read the House bill before voting for it, but that they didn't care, and that *nobody*, including Obama, was well prepared enough to answer even the simplest and most general questions!  *This* is what led to the initial "mob" actions on the part of town hall attendees.

That's a general start.  The details could take pages.

gus.

 

 


 
 

(Login Avalon99)

Re: which side is trying to scare america?

August 12 2009, 1:08 AM 

in other words, it is all about your abiding distrust of the government.  It does not have anything to do with rational or reasonable thought or analysis.

As long as you adopt that crap, you won't get any quarter from me.  As usual, you are just plumb full of shit.

Jim...


 
 

gus.
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Re: which side is trying to scare america?

August 12 2009, 1:17 AM 

in other words, it is all about your abiding distrust of the government.  It does not have anything to do with rational or reasonable thought or analysis.

As long as you adopt that crap, you won't get any quarter from me.  As usual, you are just plumb full of shit.

 

   I'm perfectly happy to let your comments stand.  I couldn't have a better ally in making my points, nor could I refute you any better than you are doing yourself.  You're your own worst enemy, emperor, don't bother with any clothes, it's far too late, and I've long since quit caring.  I *hardly* need any of your "quarter" at this juncture. *chortle*

gus.

 

 


 
 

(Login Avalon99)

Re: which side is trying to scare america?

August 12 2009, 1:20 AM 

 I'm perfectly happy to let your comments stand.  I couldn't have a better ally in making my points, nor could I refute you any better than you are doing yourself.  You're your own worst enemy, emperor, don't bother with any clothes, it's far too late, and I've long since quit caring.  I *hardly* need any of your "quarter" at this juncture. *chortle*

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Fair enough.  It works both ways.  And, give up on the puerile "chortle" shit... or don't. 

Jim...


 
 

gus.
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Re: which side is trying to scare america?

August 12 2009, 1:42 AM 

Fair enough.  It works both ways.

   In your fucking dreams.  I gave you *five* real-world, good-faith answers to your goddam question.  Not *my* thoughts, but the thoughts of those you pretended to seek answers to as "genuine fears".  So what do I get in return for my effort?  Just more of your pitiful desperate attempts to make it all about me, because in your imperial nakedness, you think that's the end-all be-all gist of it.  The worst thing that can happen to a thinker/writer, is to become a sad parody of themself in better days.  Congratulations, your're there...

gus.

 

 

 


 
 

inka_d
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Re: which side is trying to scare america?

August 12 2009, 9:26 AM 

Yeah, both.

And Obama's allies haven't even started their $150 million dollar TV campaign yet.

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I'll go along with you and Barb, but only to a point.  I've seen angry people on both sides, but the vid of the SEIU goons has better staying power as to who is the scariest.

But, Tauzin's campaign has already started from what I understand.  He cut a deal with Obama to save the pharm industry $80BILLION in one of those private meetings that Obama promised to televise so we the people would have a seat at the table.  And, Tauzin, I think, is responsible for the Harry and Louise ads that are, and have been, running in my area.  They'll probably go through that $150M almost as fast as the Cash for Clunkers $1B....and that $150M doesn't include all the other lobbying $$$ being thrown at the WH.




 
 
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