....are adults, so they will be making that decision on their own.
Oops....just saw the question about whether we will take the vaccine ourselves. If it is the only vaccine they are giving out, I'll most likely take it. I've never had a problem with any other flu shot, and I've taken them every year since I was 18 and a freshman nursing student.
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Re: Will you or won't you? August 26 2009, 10:03 PM
Yep. I will. I'm an "at risk" person, and my wife works for a major hospital. It only makes sense.
And all the nonsense about vaccines and autism and reactions is just that, "nonsense".
I recommend it for everyone over 50 and anybody else at risk.
Jim..
No, I won't take it. My children will make their own decision about taking it.
Jim, it is still not clear if there is a connection with these vaccines and autism. The studies are still on going and you can't just sweep it away with "nonsense". The drug companies loaded that vaccine up with "therimicide" [sic] which has the common name of mercury. They put it in the vaccine to act as a preservative, thus it had a longer shelf life. That strain of vaccine was given to my grandchildren and within days they exhibited signs of behavior related to autism. My daughter asked their Dr. about it and she said everything was fine. After the 3rd series of shots my grandson was walking on his tiptoes and clapping his hands together all the time. He wouldn't look at her anymore when she called his name. Needless to say she skipped the booster shots and took them to a Dr. in Richmond who diagnosed him and his sister as having autism.. She said if my daughter had given them the booster shots it would have pushed them into full blown autism and they could have not been helped at all. They have come a long way and my daughter is now an advocate. The dirty politics of this is she found out that the vaccine that had the mercury in it was sent to the 3rd world countries to give to those kids. There is reason to be concerned when 1 in 155 babies today have some form of autism. BTW, it was Robert Kennedy, Jr. who 1st came out with the report of what these vaccines were doing to the children.
I took the flu shot one time and got deathly ill. I have never taken it since and have not had a cold much less the flu in years.
No, I won't take it. My children will make their own decision about taking it.
Jim, it is still not clear if there is a connection with these vaccines and autism. The studies are still on going and you can't just sweep it away with "nonsense". The drug companies loaded that vaccine up with "therimicide" [sic] which has the common name of mercury. They put it in the vaccine to act as a preservative, thus it had a longer shelf life. That strain of vaccine was given to my grandchildren and within days they exhibited signs of behavior related to autism. My daughter asked their Dr. about it and she said everything was fine. After the 3rd series of shots my grandson was walking on his tiptoes and clapping his hands together all the time. He wouldn't look at her anymore when she called his name. Needless to say she skipped the booster shots and took them to a Dr. in Richmond who diagnosed him and his sister as having autism.. She said if my daughter had given them the booster shots it would have pushed them into full blown autism and they could have not been helped at all. They have come a long way and my daughter is now an advocate. The dirty politics of this is she found out that the vaccine that had the mercury in it was sent to the 3rd world countries to give to those kids. There is reason to be concerned when 1 in 155 babies today have some form of autism. BTW, it was Robert Kennedy, Jr. who 1st came out with the report of what these vaccines were doing to the children.
I took the flu shot one time and got deathly ill. I have never taken it since and have not had a cold much less the flu in years.
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I rest my case. You are a flippin' idiot. The science does not support your conclusions.
If you think it does, provide us with a peer reviewed study that shows it.
We are surrounded by fucking ignorance with these people, I swear to God.
Yes I will. and my fingers are crossed that all who think like Evil Lyn will follow in her footsteps..
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I've learned that the people you care most about in life are taken from you too soon and
all the less important ones just never go away.
And the real pains in the ass are permanent.
I rest my case. You are a flippin' idiot. The science does not support your conclusions.
If you think it does, provide us with a peer reviewed study that shows it.
We are surrounded by fucking ignorance with these people, I swear to God.
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So now you are THE authority on this as well?? You never cease to amaze.
I have not decided whether I will take the shot. I am "at risk"...but I guess in theory everyone is "at risk" in some form or another. I have my quarterly appointment in September and I plan to discuss it with my doctor. I would surmise he won't call me a flippin' idiot for questioning it...but of course...he's an educated man.
~~life isn't about how to survive the storm but how to dance in the rain~~
Also you pay him not tosay that you are a flipping idiot.
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I've learned that the people you care most about in life are taken from you too soon and
all the less important ones just never go away.
And the real pains in the ass are permanent.
rest my case. You are a flippin' idiot. The science does not support your conclusions.
If you think it does, provide us with a peer reviewed study that shows it.
We are surrounded by fucking ignorance with these people, I swear to God.
Just google Robert Kennedy, Jr./ vaccines, you dope. If anyone crosses you they are ignorant. Well that is the most biggoted attitude I have seen on this board. You Jim ARE a flipping bigot.
Well Eve if what you say is correct isn't it just an example of the free market forces and lack of regulations that allowed the companies to maximize profit by maximizing the shelf life of the vaccine.
Vaccinations: Deadly Immunity
"Government health agencies colluded with Big Pharma to hide the risks"
by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
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Global Research, July 23, 2009
Rollingstone.com - 2005-07-20
Global Research Editor's note
We bring to the attention of our readers this 2005 article by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. published by Rollingstone.com.
The article sheds light on the collusion between Big Parma and the US government and the dangers associated with vaccines produced by major pharmaceutical companies. This article is of particular relevance to the current debate on the H1N1 swine flu virus and plans by the WHO, The Obama Administration and Big Pharma to develop a swine flu vaccine.
The article by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. documented "the government's efforts to conceal alarming data about the dangers of vaccines."
For a review of Global Research articles on the H1NI Swine Flu Pandemic, click here.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. investigates the government cover-up of a mercury/autism scandal
In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Georgia. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session -- only private invitations to fifty-two attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly "embargoed." There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left.
The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines -- thimerosal -- appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.
Even for scientists and doctors accustomed to confronting issues of life and death, the findings were frightening. "You can play with this all you want," Dr. Bill Weil, a consultant for the American Academy of Pediatrics, told the group. The results "are statistically significant." Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician from the University of Colorado whose grandson had been born early on the morning of the meeting's first day, was even more alarmed. "My gut feeling?" he said. "Forgive this personal comment -- I do not want my grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."
But instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at Simpsonwood spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry's bottom line. "We are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits," said Dr. Robert Brent, a pediatrician at the Alfred I. duPont Hospital for Children in Delaware. "This will be a resource to our very busy plaintiff attorneys in this country." Dr. Bob Chen, head of vaccine safety for the CDC, expressed relief that "given the sensitivity of the information, we have been able to keep it out of the hands of, let's say, less responsible hands." Dr. John Clements, vaccines advisor at the World Health Organization, declared that "perhaps this study should not have been done at all." He added that "the research results have to be handled," warning that the study "will be taken by others and will be used in other ways beyond the control of this group."
In fact, the government has proved to be far more adept at handling the damage than at protecting children's health. The CDC paid the Institute of Medicine to conduct a new study to whitewash the risks of thimerosal, ordering researchers to "rule out" the chemical's link to autism. It withheld Verstraeten's findings, even though they had been slated for immediate publication, and told other scientists that his original data had been "lost" and could not be replicated. And to thwart the Freedom of Information Act, it handed its giant database of vaccine records over to a private company, declaring it off-limits to researchers. By the time Verstraeten finally published his study in 2003, he had gone to work for GlaxoSmithKline and reworked his data to bury the link between thimerosal and autism.
Vaccine manufacturers had already begun to phase thimerosal out of injections given to American infants -- but they continued to sell off their mercury-based supplies of vaccines until last year. The CDC and FDA gave them a hand, buying up the tainted vaccines for export to developing countries and allowing drug companies to continue using the preservative in some American vaccines -- including several pediatric flu shots as well as tetanus boosters routinely given to eleven-year-olds.
The drug companies are also getting help from powerful lawmakers in Washington. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who has received $873,000 in contributions from the pharmaceutical industry, has been working to immunize vaccine makers from liability in 4,200 lawsuits that have been filed by the parents of injured children. On five separate occasions, Frist has tried to seal all of the government's vaccine-related documents -- including the Simpsonwood transcripts -- and shield Eli Lilly, the developer of thimerosal, from subpoenas. In 2002, the day after Frist quietly slipped a rider known as the "Eli Lilly Protection Act" into a homeland security bill, the company contributed $10,000 to his campaign and bought 5,000 copies of his book on bioterrorism. The measure was repealed by Congress in 2003 -- but earlier this year, Frist slipped another provision into an anti-terrorism bill that would deny compensation to children suffering from vaccine-related brain disorders. "The lawsuits are of such magnitude that they could put vaccine producers out of business and limit our capacity to deal with a biological attack by terrorists," says Dean Rosen, health policy adviser to Frist.
Even many conservatives are shocked by the government's effort to cover up the dangers of thimerosal. Rep. Dan Burton, a Republican from Indiana, oversaw a three-year investigation of thimerosal after his grandson was diagnosed with autism. "Thimerosal used as a preservative in vaccines is directly related to the autism epidemic," his House Government Reform Committee concluded in its final report. "This epidemic in all probability may have been prevented or curtailed had the FDA not been asleep at the switch regarding a lack of safety data regarding injected thimerosal, a known neurotoxin." The FDA and other public-health agencies failed to act, the committee added, out of "institutional malfeasance for self protection" and "misplaced protectionism of the pharmaceutical industry."
The story of how government health agencies colluded with Big Pharma to hide the risks of thimerosal from the public is a chilling case study of institutional arrogance, power and greed. I was drawn into the controversy only reluctantly. As an attorney and environmentalist who has spent years working on issues of mercury toxicity, I frequently met mothers of autistic children who were absolutely convinced that their kids had been injured by vaccines. Privately, I was skeptical.
I doubted that autism could be blamed on a single source, and I certainly understood the government's need to reassure parents that vaccinations are safe; the eradication of deadly childhood diseases depends on it. I tended to agree with skeptics like Rep. Henry Waxman, a Democrat from California, who criticized his colleagues on the House Government Reform Committee for leaping to conclusions about autism and vaccinations. "Why should we scare people about immunization," Waxman pointed out at one hearing, "until we know the facts?"
It was only after reading the Simpsonwood transcripts, studying the leading scientific research and talking with many of the nation's pre-eminent authorities on mercury that I became convinced that the link between thimerosal and the epidemic of childhood neurological disorders is real. Five of my own children are members of the Thimerosal Generation -- those born between 1989 and 2003 -- who received heavy doses of mercury from vaccines. "The elementary grades are overwhelmed with children who have symptoms of neurological or immune-system damage," Patti White, a school nurse, told the House Government Reform Committee in 1999. "Vaccines are supposed to be making us healthier; however, in twenty-five years of nursing I have never seen so many damaged, sick kids. Something very, very wrong is happening to our children."
More than 500,000 kids currently suffer from autism, and pediatricians diagnose more than 40,000 new cases every year. The disease was unknown until 1943, when it was identified and diagnosed among eleven children born in
To finish this article google robert kennedy jr./vaccines and you'll find it and much more on this subject. I guess Jim will say the people who contributed to this article are ignorant also.
PS to evil-lyn......years ago flu vaccines were made from weakend but live flu viruses. That is no longer true today. ALL flu vaccines today are made with killed viruses, and it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to get the flu from getting a flu shot.
Oops ment this for another thread so forget what I previously had on this thread.
As to the question, I probably will. I have in the past gotten a flu shot and later that year got very sick with the flu. It was always the case that the particular strain was not covered in the particular flu shot that I had. Of they do tell you that if you do get sick, you probably will not be as sick as you would be if you did not have the shot. In each case I was very sick, while in the years that I did not get a flu shot, like last year, I wouldn't get sick.
But this flu is a serious one, so yes, I probably will get it.
As to does the flu cause autism or other types of serious side effects, I have not given much stock on that. One of my Aunts married a cousin. She had five children from this marriage. Two are geniuses, two average and the oldest is autistic. She is not autistic because of a flu shot, she is autistic because one her parents are cousins to each other and two she was a late term birth, the oldest of the five siblings.
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No I wont be getting the vaccine. Not sure about my children one is in high risk occupation. We have four grandchildren in school, I haven't heard if they will be getting vaccinated.
