My daughter has had 3 good young men friends she went to high school with killed by others with a gun.... two in just the last 2 weeks! They were not gang members or wannabe's.
One was 20 when an ex-husband shot and killed him. Another one a week ago was working when he was shotand killed at 24. The third one was 25 and camping when he was shot and killed.
None of these young men even owned guns, much less carried them.
We do not, nor did they, live or work in the ghetto....it is a terrible horrific act of violence and these young men have lost their lives and we have all lost good and productive young men who had so much to contribute.
I am sorry for your daughters loss of her friends and the loss you feel with her, Beastie.
More laws will never correct the problem, proper enforcement will never fully correct the problem, unfortunately there is no way to ever make us safe from guns and the best we can do is to pray for the day when society has grown enough that guns are not peoples answer to problems.
but unfortunately , if a scumbag is willing , a butter knife is an assault weapon
it is the mind and heart that kills ,not the instrument /tool used to accomplish the task.
banning gasoline will not stop people from committing arson
and banning guns will not stop people from murder
No, laws will never prevent any crime from being committed, but getting the laws right and making sure they are enforced is what makes us a civilized society.
There is no intelligent thought at all behind statements that compare guns to butter knives.
Guns are very dangerous by their very nature . If the people who defend their right to own guns could acknowledge the need for laws to protect the innocent, we might actually get somewhere with responsible gun control.
yes , at night when nobody is watching...they leave the pawn shops unsupervised and stealthily kill in the night ........and sneak back onto the shelf before reasonable liberal people wake up and go to work at their government jobs
If the people who defend their right to own guns could acknowledge the need for laws to protect the innocent, we might actually get somewhere with responsible gun control.
the laws are already in place...
if they are not being enforced then it is a judicial problem
remember OBAMA is in charge of enforcement of the laws now
and liberals control congress...
it is all on them now...
just as it was on the liberal republicans for eight years under Bush
The ex-husband killed himself and police are looking for the shooters in the other 2.
Laws are necessary when there are so many irresponsible people who have guns and don't secure them. Then the laws need to be enforced.
and a butter knife could probably kill someone if there was enough strength behind the thrust and it hit the right spot. The risk though is significantly lower.
If someone wants to kill another, he/she will do it with poison, hammer, automobile, or whatever is available. The killing instinct is in the person--not the weapon.
Sometimes it is not a "killing instinct" just a moment of stupidity or carelessness and an innocent life is gione. Some crimes especially multiple killings in crowded places would not happen without the weapon being a gun .
I really wish those who respect gun rights would respect the need for proper laws and strong enforcement.
Whoever it was in this thread who said it is all in the hands of the dems is disregarding completely the heavy influence of the NRA or other lobbyists.
You are being so outrageously stupid that I should not be answering you, but just for fun I am going to get down to your level and ask a stupid question.
If butter knives, autos and matches can do what a gun can do, why do you need a gun? Those other things are cheaper and more readily available.
(to all other readers, I admit that is a stupid question. It is a question deserving of gillis's mindset however)
When we outlaw dogs only outlaws will have dogs! How many more have to die before dogs are outlawed!
Dog Attacks On People in the U.S. and Canada
Over 300 people have been killed by domestic dogs in the U.S. between 1979 and the late 1990s (Humane Society of the U.S., reported in Tracking and the Art of Seeing, Paul Rezendes, second edition, 1999, p. 194). This means that your family dog or your neighbor's dog is ten times more likely to kill you than a mountain lion and hundreds of time more likely than a coyote attacks.
This page lists some recent dog attacks on people to show in the same manner as for mountain lions and coyotes how common dog attacks are.
2001
26 January. Diane Whipple, 33, the lacrosse coach at St. Mary's College, was killed when her throat was punctured by a large dog as she was putting her keys in the front door of her upscale Pacific Heights San Francisco apartment at 4 p.m.
Marjorie Knoller was putting her two dogs in her apartment when Diane emerged from the elevator. Bane, a 120 pound male dog, headed down to Diane, who was 5'3" and 110 pounds, and attacked her neck while Hera, a 113 pound female, tore at her clothes. The attack continued for 5 minutes, even as Marjorie tried to pull the dogs off Diane. Bane dragged Whipple 20 feet down the hallway. The attack scene was so horrifying that the officers on the scene needed psychological counseling. Diane died at 8:55 p.m. from loss of blood from severe neck injuries, despite two hours of surgery.
Bane was killed by animal control officers and Hera was impounded. The dogs were crossbreeds between English mastiffs and Canary Island fighting dogs. The Canary Island fighting dogs were so dangerous that they were outlawed by Spain in the 1930s. Mixing such a ruthless fighter with the size of an English mastiff would be "foolhardy", according to Merry Johnson, an expert on mastiffs.
Robert Noel, Marjorie's husband, said the animals were generally gentle and showed no previous signs of aggression, with Bane even gently carrying a kitten in his month at times. However, Diane had been bitten by Bane once before, and hated that dog, along with many of her neighbors. They called Bane "Killer Dog" or "Dog of Death", and at least one neighbor worked out a schedule with Robert so that their dogs would never meet. That neighbor carried pepper spray and began wearing tennis shoes in fear of an attack by Bane.
"You never know what a dog is going to do," said Jim Avery, out for a walk in the neighborhood with his golden retriever Blackie. "I think the owners are liable for involuntary manslaughter. If I were (Whipple's) family I would sue the guy until the cows come home."
If the owners knew that the dogs had a propensity to fight or attack, they could be charged with involuntary manslaughter, according to Fred Gardner, spokesman for District Attorney Terence Hallinan.
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How many must die before those damn vending machines are outlawed!
Are Vending Machines Deadlier than Sharks?
Wednesday June 29, 2005
Are vending machines deadlier than sharks?Vending machines kill, sharks don't, according to a July 4, 2003 Reuters headline. The article quotes an L.A. lifeguard who asserts that in spite of the ubiquitous fear of shark attacks in this country, 'more people are killed in the United States each year by vending machines,' which smacks of an urban legend but probably isn't.
I say "probably isn't" because statistics relating to vending machine deaths aren't as easy to come by as data on shark attack fatalities, so it's difficult to draw a direct comparison. But if we look at 1995, for example the most recent year for which I was able to find an accounting of deaths due to vending machine tipovers two people died as a result of being crushed by falling soda machines in the U.S., as compared to zero shark-related deaths in the same twelve-month period.
Moreover, according to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission there were 37 known vending machine fatalities between 1978 and 1995, for an average of 2.18 deaths per year. Over the past decade there were a total of six recorded shark attack fatalities in the U.S., for an average of .6 deaths per year. Ergo, barring a drastic reduction in the frequency of vending machine accidents since 1995, vending machines are indeed more deadly than sharks by a factor of almost four.
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Those bears are killing people and are totally out of control! We need bear control now! Since the bears are different colors the killings have to be considered hate crimes! We need bear control now!
List of fatal bear attacks in North America
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This is a list of known fatal bear attacks that occurred in North America by decade in reverse chronological order. In this list three species of bear are recognized: the Brown Bear (Ursus arctos), the American Black Bear (Ursus americanus) and the Polar Bear (Ursus maritimus). For purposes of this list, Brown Bear includes the Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), the Kodiak Bear and the Mexican Brown Bear. Between 1900 and 2003 there were about 52 recorded deaths due to black bears, 50 due to brown bears and 5 due to polar bears. The most recent data is the most reliable and complete, but does not necessarily include all fatal attacks that have occurred in North America. Prior to recent decades bear attacks were not well documented, particularly those which took place in isolated regions. As a result there were more attacks and fatalities than have been recorded as shown here, particularly in Canada and Alaska.
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By RUSS BYNUM, APposted: 7 HOURS 45 MINUTES AGOcomments: 685filed under: Crime News, National NewsPRINT|E-MAILMOREText SizeAAABRUNSWICK, Ga. (Aug. 31) - The frantic caller told authorities he had just come home to find several family members beaten to death and another barely breathing, according to a 911 call released Monday following the weekend attack at a mobile home park in southeastern Georgia."My whole family is dead!" screamed Guy Heinze Jr., 22. "It looks like they've been beaten. I don't know what to do, man."
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PRINT|E-MAILMOREText SizeAAAANADARKO, Okla. (Aug. 26) - Authorities warned pastors in a town where a preacher was brutally killed inside her own church that they should take precautions at their buildings, even as police refused to say exactly what happened.District Attorney Bret Burns, who described the killing as "horrific," held a closed-door session with about two dozen pastors, along with members of law enforcement. Several pastors who were there said authorities did not discuss any facts of the case.Authorities warned clergy in Anadarko, Okla., to be vigilant Wednesday, days after a Pentecostal pastor was found brutally slain in her own church. An autopsy determined Carol Daniels died of "multiple sharp force injuries" but police have not released further details. "This is the most horrific crime scene I've ever witnessed," District Attorney Bret Burns said.(Note: 'The Most Horrific Crime Scene'Carol Daniels was found slain inside the Christ Holy Sanctified Church in Anadarko, Okla. She was pastor of the small Pentecostal church. "I've prosecuted over 50 murders," District Attorney Bret Burns said Tuesday. "This is the most horrific crime scene I've ever witnessed." An autopsy determined Daniels died of "multiple sharp force injuries," but investigators would not elaborate."We talked about security issues within their churches and their congregations," Burns said. "We asked them to remain vigilant and be aware of their surroundings and their church locations."He did not say why the meeting was held just with pastors rather than the community at large, or what kind of a threat the clergy might face.The body of 61-year-old Carol Daniels was found Sunday in the Christ Holy Sanctified Church in Anadarko. A preliminary autopsy found she died of "multiple sharp force injuries," but law enforcement declined to elaborate and have been tight-lipped about details of the crime or a possible motive.
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(Note: 'The Most Horrific Crime Scene'Carol Daniels was found slain inside the Christ Holy Sanctified Church in Anadarko, Okla. She was pastor of the small Pentecostal church. "I've prosecuted over 50 murders," District Attorney Bret Burns said Tuesday. "This is the most horrific crime scene I've ever witnessed." An autopsy determined Daniels died of "multiple sharp force injuries," but investigators would not elaborate."We talked about security issues within their churches and their congregations," Burns said. "We asked them to remain vigilant and be aware of their surroundings and their church locations."He did not say why the meeting was held just with pastors rather than the community at large, or what kind of a threat the clergy might face.The body of 61-year-old Carol Daniels was found Sunday in the Christ Holy Sanctified Church in Anadarko. A preliminary autopsy found she died of "multiple sharp force injuries," but law enforcement declined to elaborate and have been tight-lipped about details of the crime or a possible motive.