White House Withdraws Call for Students to 'Help' Obama
Obama's plan to inspire the nation's schoolchildren with a video address next week erupted into controversy.
FOXNews.com
Thursday, September 03, 2009
The Obama administration is rethinking its course recommendations for students ahead of President Obama's address to the the nation's schoolchildren next week, rewriting its suggestions to teachers for student assignments on how to "help the president,"
The Washington Times reported Thursday that presidential aides acknowledged they helped the U.S. Education Department write the suggested assignments, which stirred criticism by many who say Obama is trying to indoctrinate the education system.
White House aides said the language was supposed to be a inspirational, pro-education message to America's youths, but its unintended consequences were evident.
Among the activities initially suggested for pre-K to 6th grade students was to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."
Another assignment for students after hearing the speech was to discuss what "the president wants us to do."
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September 3 2009, 10:31 AM
'Help' him with what? Getting the health care bill passed. I get so sick and tired of politicans of any stripe using children for their political agenda.
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September 3 2009, 10:36 AM
In my opinion what they meant was to help Obama with improving education. I think they wanted the kids to write about working hard, helping their classmates, and commiting themselves to learning.
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September 3 2009, 10:43 AM
That lesson plan is like a universal lesson plan that could be applied to almost any speaker. How can we help the firefighter? How can we help the policeman? How can we help the president?
Typical responses from children would be we can help him by obeying laws and working hard at school and being kind to our neighbors.
It is not something that was written to elicit children to help him pass a health care bill.
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeez I really don't believe any retraction is necessary.
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September 3 2009, 10:55 AM
The Washington Times reported Thursday that presidential aides acknowledged they helped the U.S. Education Department write the suggested assignments,...
If the lesson plan was as generic as Sandee claims, then why would this have been in any way necessary? Are we to assume that these presidential aids are just nice unbiased folks with no agenda, and a burning desire to educate the children? Do you want a means-test for this whole idea? Imagine the unbound hell that would have erupted on the Left, had Bush had the same idea.
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September 3 2009, 11:07 AM
sandeelady:
"That lesson plan is like a universal lesson plan that could be applied to almost any speaker. How can we help the firefighter? How can we help the policeman? How can we help the president?
Typical responses from children would be we can help him by obeying laws and working hard at school and being kind to our neighbors.
It is not something that was written to elicit children to help him pass a health care bill.
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeez I really don't believe any retraction is necessary."
Sandee, yeah they do that on kids shows. Not on a natiional tv channel beamed in at all the schools. Can you prove it's not something written to elicit children to help him pass a health care bill. I don't believe you can and therefore you don't know what you are talking about. At least what I said is more believeable because it has been used so many times. One recent example is at that townhall meeting where the mother and child were found to be supporters of Obama and had their picture made with him, but acting like they were just joe q public concerned about not having health insurance. Like I said I'm tired of them using children to elicit sympathy for their agenda. No retraction necessary.
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September 3 2009, 11:09 AM
Bush went into schools frequently. Not on a tv monitor, he went in person and who knows what the hell he said and who cares. He read to children. I never heard anyone make a stink and reviewing the books before he read them. I'm sure he made comments about being good kids and obeying the teachers and working hard etc and who gives a flyingfrapsickle about all that.
I totally admit to be as critical of Bush as it is possible to be, but I have absolutely no fear that when he went in to schools his purpose was to indoctrinate children with poltical ideas.
This whole indoctrination bit is just pure crap!!!
Re: White House withdraws call for students to 'help' Obama
September 3 2009, 11:27 AM
Bush went into schools frequently. Not on a tv monitor, he went in person and who knows what the hell he said and who cares. He read to children. I never heard anyone make a stink and reviewing the books before he read them. I'm sure he made comments about being good kids and obeying the teachers and working hard etc and who gives a flyingfrapsickle about all that.
Of course he did. So did Clinton, so did every other president. They also went to veteran's hospitals, and charity functions, and all kinds of other ceremonies. It's what presidents do. Which is *exactly* why there is such suspicion over why Obama isn't content to do pretty much the same thing.
They have the lessons plan suggested to schools and anyone can read it. I've read it and didn't see a thing about healthcare being mentioned.
That's because you are sane, piglet and evilyn is not. Someone as paranoid as evilyn quite obviously is can't even listen to logic much less understand it.
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Re: White House withdraws call for students to 'help' Obama
September 3 2009, 2:21 PM
Of course he did. So did Clinton, so did every other president. They also went to veteran's hospitals, and charity functions, and all kinds of other ceremonies. It's what presidents do. Which is exactly why there is such suspicion over why Obama isn't content to do pretty much the same thing.
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Re: White House withdraws call for students to 'help' Obama
September 3 2009, 2:46 PM
Obama to "indoctrinate" kids on "socialist agenda?" Not so, says PolitiFact
Sep 3, 2009
PoliticFact.com took Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer to task for his recent comments that President Obama's speech to students Tuesday will "indoctrinate America's children to his socialist agenda."
PoliticFact, the St. Petersburg Times' Pulitzer Prize-winning spin-checker, took a closer look at the claim, Obama's speech and accompanying lesson plans, and at past presidents' interactions with secondary students.
Its Truth-o-Meter said Greer's "pants" are "on fire."
The message is likely as harmless as it inititally seemed, it said:
We reviewed the study materials but didn't see any mention of controversial issues, let alone any attempt to indoctrinate students in socialism...
In ruling on Greer's statement, we wondered whether we should give him latitude for legitimate commentary on Obama's speech. But he crossed a line when he said that Obama intended to discuss "plans for government-run health care, banks, and automobile companies" and other policy matters not germane to education. That is factually incorrect, and the party could not offer any support for the statement. For raising the specter of socialist ideology and indoctrination, the party takes its claim to an additional, absurd level. We rate the Republican Party of Florida's statement Pants on Fire!
Past presidents, including both Bushes, have intefaced with students giving similar messages, and Democrats weren't exactly innocent with their spin, either, PolitiFact found.
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September 4 2009, 11:30 AM
If I recall right, God also talked to Bush. And now Michelle Bachman is waiting for the word.
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Re: White House withdraws call for students to 'help' Obama
September 6 2009, 2:35 PM
What is exactly that you are waiting for ? You assumed wrong here Evelyn. All you had to do was read the lesson plans that have been posted over an over again. The plan was avaliable! It said nothing at all about healthcare in the lesson plan. My SIL just showed me yesterday how she will use this lesson plan for her 5th grade students. It has nothing at all in it about healthcare.
Geesh do some have little faith in how they raised there children? They think so little of them and themselves that they will be brainwashed by a speech? Use this as an oppurtunity to talk about what was said. You may be shocked to actually learn something about how children react to this.
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September 6 2009, 2:59 PM
That lesson plan is like a universal lesson plan that could be applied to almost any speaker. How can we help the firefighter? How can we help the policeman? How can we help the president?
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why not start by helping ones self?
when no citizen requires the payment from his neighbor's account to pay for his own life ............
then we will have accomplished something
self reliance is better than community assistance...because when the individuals do not rely on their neighbor for basic subsistence....
then the community can thrive and the volunteerism will spill forth from the success of each unit as surplus overflows
until then the welfare brood mares will be forever a burden on their own neighbor's successful endeavors
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