One gets the impression that O'Keefe could have just wandered the nation with his camera, happily gathering an impressive collection of like-minded "community organizers". Maybe he did...
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One day after two ACORN officials in Baltimore were fired for offering to help a man and woman posing as a pimp and prostitute to engage in child prostitution and a series of tax crimes, another secretly shot videotape has surfaced that shows the same couple getting similar advice from ACORN officers in Washington. more...
BTW, what's with the kids being present while moms are supposed to be on the clock? Get a frickin' babysitter, especially when you're speaking to clients about prostitution and child trafficking in the course of your business transactions. GAWD!
But, but, but....who was it last week claiming there was "absolutely NO PROOF" of any Acorn wrongdoing and that we were LYING and PROJECTING???? Oh yeah...I remember who it was....
~~life isn't about how to survive the storm but how to dance in the rain~~
But, but, but....who was it last week claiming there was "absolutely NO PROOF" of any Acorn wrongdoing and that we were LYING and PROJECTING???? Oh yeah...I remember who it was....
Well if you're talking about me, I don't believe I said anyone was "lying" or "projecting."
Nor did I say that there was absolutely no wrongdoing by any ACORN employee. What I did say is that the only crimes I have seen anything about in connection with ACORN were the phony voter registrations and in those instances ACORN is the victim since they were paying workers to sign up legitimate voters and those employees defrauded ACORN by signing up phony voters. In addition, I said there is absolutely no evidence I have ever seen or heard of that anyone ever even attempted to actually vote using a phony voter registration done through ACORN. I stand by all of that.
As far as these episodes go, clearly this is wrong and at minimum these people should be fired, as I believe they have been. But as far as I'm aware there is no evidence that ACORN instructs their employees to do this kind of thing, or that they encourage or even condone it. It may or may not be that they have insufficiently attempted to prevent such things, but surely no large organization can be expected to maintain perfect control over all their employees. Certainly the existence of such lapses is no evidence of a criminal conspiracy, as some are claiming.
BTW, what's with the kids being present while moms are supposed to be on the clock? Get a frickin' babysitter, especially when you're speaking to clients about prostitution and child trafficking in the course of your business transactions. GAWD!
Look, ACORN has appointed themselves as the stewards of the poor, the downtrodden, the dispossed, and the discriminated, as *they* define them of course.(no conservatives, no Republicans, none, zip, zero) And having both agreed with, and enabled this self-appointment, Liberals, by their very nature, award ACORN with a free pass, a *totally* free pass, including a hands-off policy by sympathetic media "watchdogs"(*snort*), and a look-the-other-way attitude by any official agencies delegated to their oversight. *Any* violator of these pacts from anywhere at all will be *immediately* branded as a *racist*, and dismissed!
Wellll.... Don't you think ACORN knows this? From top to bottom and side to side??? Clearly! Obviously! What O'Keefe caught on his camera was the *norm*, not the exception! Now you can be sure that the members and their suck-ups will draw up in furious Righteous Indignation at such a claim. What the hell else can they do? Shame on *us* for not playing along, right?
One thing I'd like to know is how many offices they tried this in. Was it just these two or were there others that tossed them out when they started talking about illegal stuff?
One thing I'd like to know is how many offices they tried this in. Was it just these two or were there others that tossed them out when they started talking about illegal stuff?
If O'Keefe doesn't offer up a certain amount of disclosure, such as the answer to your question, then that will reflect badly on him as well. I clearly have my prejudices and suspicions, as I illustrated above, but I wouldn't hold them if I wasn't willing to bet on them.
TIMES ONLINE 10/22/2008
McCain campaign paid Republican operative accused of voter fraud
Hannah Stra
John McCain paid $175,000 of campaign money to a Republican operative accused of massive voter registration fraud in several states, it has emerged.
As the McCain camp attempts to tie Barack Obama to claims of registration irregularities by the activist group ACORN, campaign finance records detailing the payment to the firm of Nathan Sproul, investigated several times for fraud, threatens to derail that argument.
The documents show that a joint committee of the McCain-Palin campaign, the Republican National Committee and the California Republican Party, made the payment to Lincoln Strategy, of which Mr Sproul is the managing partner, for the purposes of voter registration.
Mr Sproul has been investigated on numerous occasions for preventing Democrats from voting, destroying registration forms and leading efforts to get Ralph Nader on ballots to leach the Democratic vote.
In October last year, the House Judiciary Committee wrote to the Attorney General requesting answers regarding a number of allegations against Mr Sprouls firm, then known as Sproul and Associates. It referred to evidence that ahead of the 2004 national elections, the firm trained staff only to register Republican voters and destroyed any other registration cards, citing affidavits from former staff members and investigations by television news programmes.
One former worker testified that fooling people was key to the job and that canvassers were told to act as if they were non-partisan, to hide that they were working for the RNC, especially if approached by the media, according to the committees letter. It also cited reports from public libraries across the country that the firm had asked to set up voter registration tables claiming it was working on behalf of the non-partisan group America Votes, though in fact no such link existed.
The career of Mr Sproul, a former leader of the Arizona Republican Party, is littered with accusations of foul play. In Minnesota in 2004, his firm was accused of sacking workers who submitted Democratic registration forms, while other canvassers were allegedly paid bonuses for registering Bush voters. There were similar charges in Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Oregon and Nevada.
That year, Mr Sprouls firm was paid $8,359,161 by the Republican Party, according to a 2005 article in the Baltimore Chronicle, which claimed that this was far more than what had been reported to the Federal Elections Commission.
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