I hear that there are some people demanding a congressional investigation of ACORN and I have to wonder why? I think there should be a law enforcement investigation into ACORN, the Congress has better things it could and should be doing. Let the Justice Department appoint a special prosecutor to investigate all alleged criminal activity by ACORN and its representatives so they can sort out which of that activity is because of ACORN and which is simply some bad people within their ranks. If any criminal activity is deemed to be because of ACORN's policy then they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, but if it is deemed to be because of bad actors within their ranks then they need to be prosecuted and punished accordingly. And ACORN needs to do a thorough job of cleaning out any of the bad actors from their ranks so that they can do the job that they were created to do, help those that do not have the means to help themselves.
I think there should be a "SP" set-up to investigate ACORN...there's too much political capital at stake for an un-biased investigation by the Democrat controlled congress to be in charge. The FBI should also at the same time but separate from the SP's investigation mount their own investigation.
Running two separate investigations would insure less evidence falling through the cracks and less questions not being ask or dark corners looked into. At the same time the two criminal investigations are being conducted the IRS shoul begin a total audit of where every cent of ACORN's money has come from and has been spent on! That should clear it up once and for good...and let the cards fall where they fall!
The language of priorities is the religion of Socialism.....Aneurin Bevan
The FBI should handle the investigation.....obviously there are corrupt people in congress allowing funds to be directed to the ACORN mob.
There needs to be an independant agency handling this investigation so that the crooks in the ACORN mob are jailed and the crooks in congress that are reponsible for theft by allowing federal tax dollars to go to the ACORN mob are sent to prison....
John Conyors was told by powers that be to cool the investigation on ACORN. Bet it happens again. And you should recall the attempts to investigate Freddie Mac and Fannie
Mae.
There is a reason they want a congressional investigation. It will clear all parties of any criminal activities and the Acorn will get more and more money.
I hear that there are some people demanding a congressional investigation of ACORN and I have to wonder why? I think there should be a law enforcement investigation into ACORN, the Congress has better things it could and should be doing.
You haven't figured out WHY? If law enforcement does it, there will be MANY politicians squirming in their seats....and among them might be our illustrious leader. ha.
~~life isn't about how to survive the storm but how to dance in the rain~~
If there is multiple investigations as well as an audit that will put into place a "Fail Safe" that will keep the investigators honest. It is indeed a shame that there is so little trust in the powers-that-be that the only ones not wanting an investigation and those wanting a single faceted investigation are those with something to either lose or have something they do not want exposed!
The language of priorities is the religion of Socialism.....Aneurin Bevan
Obama's Ties To ACORN More Substantial than first believed
Rick Moran
"You've heard of Moveon.org and Code Pink - two radical leftist groups seeking to elect out and out socialists to public office and who are fierce opponents of the capitalist sysetm.
But have you heard of ACORN?
The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now is mostly a city-based group that you may know from their illegal voter registration efforts in several states during the 2004 election.
But this group also is involved in schemes to impose drastic, left wing dogma on the rest of us through political action.
Obama's connection to this group has been shadowy - some work he did back in 1995 representing an effort by the group to get the courts to force Illinois to adopt the motor voter law. But Stanley Kurtz has uncovered even more ties that Obama has to this radical group:
The extent of Obama's ties to Acorn has not been recognized. We find some important details in an article in the journal Social Policy entitled, "Case Study: Chicago - The Barack Obama Campaign," by Toni Foulkes, a Chicago Acorn leader and a member of Acorn's National Association Board. The odd thing about this article is that Foulkes is forced to protect the technically "non-partisan" status of Acorn's get-out-the-vote campaigns, even as he does everything in his power to give Acorn credit for helping its favorite son win the critical 2004 primary that secured Obama the Democratic nomination to the U.S. Senate.
Before giving us a tour of Acorn's pro-Obama but somehow "non-partisan" election activities, Foulks treats us to a brief history of Obama's ties to Acorn. While most press accounts imply that Obama just happened to be at the sort of public-interest law firm that would take Acorn's "motor voter" case, Foulkes claims that Acorn specifically sought out Obama's representation in the motor voter case, remembering Obama from the days when he worked with Talbot. And while many reports speak of Obama's post-law school role organizing "Project VOTE" in 1992, Foulkes makes it clear that this project was undertaken in direct partnership with Acorn. Foulkes then stresses Obama's yearly service as a key figure in Acorn's leadership-training seminars.
At least a few news reports have briefly mentioned Obama's role in training Acorn's leaders, but none that I know of have said what Foulkes reports next: that Obama's long service with Acorn led many members to serve as the volunteer shock troops of Obama's early political campaigns - his initial 1996 State Senate campaign, and his failed bid for Congress in 2000 (Foulkes confuses the dates of these two campaigns.) With Obama having personally helped train a new cadre of Chicago Acorn leaders, by the time of Obama's 2004 U.S. Senate campaign, Obama and Acorn were "old friends," says Foulkes.
Not surprisingly it turns out that Reverend Jeremiah Wright and Father Michael Pfleger - two radical clergy closely associated with Obama - have extensive ties to ACORN . Their views fit nicely within the ACORN anti-capitalist agenda that they have been pushing for years.
More evidence, if any were needed, that Obama's past associations have defined him as a politician and that the more radicals that turn up in his background, the more we must question just what his beliefs truly are.
I would like to know where Poetse gets his information from... Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck? And where is it that they get their information from? Poetse often makes these kinds of statements without giving any kind of a source for where his information originates and very rarely does anything to verify that veracity of the statements. He wants to question me on whether I verify information but he sure does not like to be questioned about whether he verifies a damned thing. He is the worst source of information that there is on this board.
(edited to correct incompleted spelling... I missed adding "ed" to the word questioned)
This message has been edited by indisgeyes on Sep 13, 2009 8:00 AM
I agree. This is more of a judicial matter, not a legislative matter.
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I really don't care who investigates them, but it needs to happen, screw the "powers that be". And, imo, ACORN should be exempted from any funding of our taxpayer $ and not be considered for any future grants or government involvement of any kind until such an investigation is complete.
I really don't care who investigates them, but it needs to happen, screw the "powers that be". And, imo, ACORN should be exempted from any funding of our taxpayer $ and not be considered for any future grants or government involvement of any kind until such an investigation is complete.
I do care who investigates them. It is a waste of time for the Congress, it is likely to be incomplete if it is the Congress, and it is likely not to accomplish a damned thing if it is the Congress.
I agree that they do not need amy more government funding until a complete CRIMINAL investigation is completed and anyone involved in criminal acts within the organization have been dealt with. That goes for every organization that receives government funding, not just this one that has been singled out for Political motivations by the rightwing. Every single one of them, including those supported by the right.
I agree that they do not need amy more government funding until a complete CRIMINAL investigation is completed and anyone involved in criminal acts within the organization have been dealt with. That goes for every organization that receives government funding, not just this one that has been singled out for Political motivations by the rightwing. Every single one of them, including those supported by the right.
I would like to know where Poetse gets his information from... Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck? And where is it that they get their information from? Poetse often makes these kinds of statements without giving any kind of a source for where his information originates and very rarely does anything to verify that veracity of the statements. He wants to question me on whether I verify information but he sure does not like to be questioned about whether he verifies a damned thing. He is the worst source of information that there is on this board.
(edited to correct incompleted spelling... I missed adding "ed" to the word questioned)
You did that once before, and I gave you several liberal sources. A simple Google search will reveal what Conyers wanted to do. then he changed his mind. The link is to the Washington Times, but there are other sources that reported it. BTW, would you expect liberals to give you accurate news.
So did you just pull that up or was it the source of your information in the first place? My point was that you make statements without giving a source for the information, Poetse, that is unless you are confronted over it and then you talk about google. Anyone can google, that doesn't reveal your original source or how it was presented.
I really don't give a shit what you call me, Poetse, I am done with your games.
Sure would be nice to find out who those "powers that be" are, wouldn't it? I'm sure we can both agree on that one. If it is Obama I'll be glad to denounce him over it. I do believe though that any investigation should be through a Special Prosecutor and not through Congress.
So did you just pull that up or was it the source of your information in the first place? My point was that you make statements without giving a source for the information, Poetse, that is unless you are confronted over it and then you talk about google. Anyone can google, that doesn't reveal your original source or how it was presented.
Well, there were several sources that had this article. WSJ was one as well as NewsMax and several others, I originally found it with a simple Google searc about ACORN, but I knew you would accept some sources; therefore, I found the Washington Times. There are enough sources to verify that it is true.
I really don't give a shit what you call me, Poetse, I am done with your games.
So you call it a game when I post something and then verify it with a source. Gee, I thought that was the purpose of rel debate. Mayb, it isn't your style. And I don't really call you anything. I soimply seek the truth about the various postings. And if you can't verify your posts, then I am suspicious of you. But that is what you do, isn't it?
Sure would be nice to find out who those "powers that be" are, wouldn't it? I'm sure we can both agree on that one. If it is Obama I'll be glad to denounce him over it. I do believe though that any investigation should be through a Special Prosecutor and not through Congress.
I will agree with that. A cover-up is just unforgivable.
I do care who investigates them. It is a waste of time for the Congress, it is likely to be incomplete if it is the Congress, and it is likely not to accomplish a damned thing if it is the Congress.
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I'm wondering if congress doesn't want an investigation because it might reveal some of their shady and perhaps illegal activities/involvement with ACORN. Would a criminal investigation get that deep? I'm thinking, no, they'll just go after the little guys/gals, call it a day and not get so deep as to investigate "their own". JMO
Here is a link to a house oversight committee document which might be of some interest. It "raises the need for a criminal investigation":
The only problem I have with the report, Inka, is that it comes from Issa who is as partisan as you can get. That is not to say that I do not believe any investigation should go on, because I do think they should be investigated. I think that it needs to be a Special Prosecutor without any partisan ties, someone who will go after criminal activity no matter where it comes from.
