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Rumors prove true

October 8 2009 at 2:05 PM

The Cat  (Login mooncat60)

Michelle Obama's Roots

In 1850, the elderly master of a South Carolina estate took pen in hand and painstakingly divided up his possessions. Among the spinning wheels, scythes, tablecloths and cattle that he bequeathed to his far-flung heirs was a 6-year-old slave girl valued soon afterward at $475.

In his will, she is described simply as the negro girl Melvinia. After his death, she was shipped to Georgia. While she was still a teenager, a white man would father her first-born son under circumstances lost in the passage of time. Melvinia Shields, the enslaved and illiterate young girl, and the unknown white man who impregnated her are the great-great-great-grandparents of Michelle Obama, the first lady.

During the presidential campaign, the family learned about one paternal great-great-grandfather, a former slave from South Carolina, but the rest of Mrs. Obamas roots remained a mystery.

The newly discovered story of Mrs. Obamas maternal ancestors for the first time fully connects the first African-American first lady to the history of slavery. The findings, uncovered by Megan Smolenyak, a genealogist, and The New York Times, substantiate what Mrs. Obama has called longstanding family rumors about a white forbear.

You can read more about this story in the New York Times at http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/us/politics/08genealogy.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1an and you can also watch a video slide show featuring Megan Smolenyak who provides a LOT more information on Roots Television at http://www.rootstelevision.com/players/player_africanroots3.php?bctid=35742160001&bclid=4865138001. The video includes details about Michelle's Native and Irish heritage, free and enslaved ancestors, 10 states that claim a piece of Michelle's past, and which relative invented a marble shooter.


 
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maw
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Re: Rumors prove true

October 8 2009, 2:09 PM 

And to think it all started in S Carolina.

I saw this story this morning on MSNBC. Very interesting.

$475.....That was my address as a kid.



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webpm
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Well then....

October 8 2009, 3:04 PM 

Well, then both the President and First lady have to be very thankful for slavery.....otherwise, her ancestors probably would have never had the opportunity to come to the US as a slave.....Michelle would have been born and probably stayed in Africa.....

 
 

maw
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Re: Rumors prove true

October 8 2009, 3:21 PM 

Figures Web that would be your reply...

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webpm
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maw....

October 8 2009, 3:22 PM 

well, that is a fact you cannot dispute.....

 
 
sandeelady
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Re: Rumors prove true

October 8 2009, 3:52 PM 

No one should be grateful for slavery.  You have to really be incredibly close minded and totally bigotted to ever suggest such a thing.

 
 


(Login jrooth)

Re: Rumors prove true

October 8 2009, 3:54 PM 

Well, then both the President and First lady have to be very thankful for slavery...

You're disgusting.


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webpm
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Jan.....

October 8 2009, 4:32 PM 

I never said Slavery was a good thing, it is just part of the worlds history.....I merely pointed out a fact.....the US did not create slavery and it was only in place in the US a fairly short time compared to other parts of the world.  In fact, we had a war to stop it!

 
 

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Re: Rumors prove true

October 8 2009, 4:36 PM 

Well, then both the President and First lady have to be very thankful for slavery.....otherwise, her ancestors probably would have never had the opportunity to come to the US as a slave.....Michelle would have been born and probably stayed in Africa.....

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This is exactly what you said.  First of all anything you are assuming is probably true could not be a fact.

Second of all you are saying "better off" . Yes you were saying slavery was a good thing, better than if there had been no slaves brought to America.

 

As you were told..........disgusting.


 
 


(Login jrooth)

Re: Rumors prove true

October 8 2009, 4:38 PM 

Spin all you want, web ... the fact is you said they should be grateful for slavery. That's like saying a person who is the product of a violent rape should be grateful for rapists - after all she wouldn't have been born but for a rapist, right?


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webpm
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no sandeelady....

October 8 2009, 4:42 PM 

it was the circumstances of history that lead the two of them to ultimately meet!  Without those circumstances they would have never met and she would not be the First Lady!

 
 
sandeelady
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Re: Rumors prove true

October 8 2009, 4:45 PM 

Thats all ridiculous speculation.  How would you know if they would have met if her ancestors had come to this country post slavery?

 
 

Maw
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Re: Rumors prove true

October 8 2009, 4:48 PM 

Web has the "Barbara Bush" mentality. "So many of them are better off"...

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And the real pains in the ass are permanent.



 
 


(Login jrooth)

Re: Rumors prove true

October 8 2009, 4:54 PM 

it was the circumstances of history that lead the two of them to ultimately meet! Without those circumstances they would have never met and she would not be the First Lady!

Yeah ... just like my hypothetical girl who is the product of a violent rape, and therefore by your reasoning should be grateful for rapists. Or perhaps a couple who met in a Nazi concentration camp, and therefore ought to be grateful for the Nazi campaign to exterminate Jews by your reasoning ...

As I said - you're disgusting.


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webpm
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Jan, you are not getting it....

October 8 2009, 4:59 PM 

I never said slavery was a good thing, and equating a rape is stupid and no comparison......

 
 


(Login jrooth)

Re: Rumors prove true

October 8 2009, 5:08 PM 

I never said slavery was a good thing, ...

You said they should be grateful for it.


... and equating a rape is stupid and no comparison.....

Why? It's just "the circumstances of history" that lead to my hypothetical girl being born. If the Obamas "should be grateful" for the institution of slavery which set up the "circumstances of history" that lead to their meeting, then by the exact same reasoning that girl should be grateful for rapists, since a violent rape of her mother set up the "circumstances of history" which caused her to exist.

It's an exact parallel, webpm.


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The Cat
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Re: Rumors prove true

October 8 2009, 5:09 PM 

 Thankful for slavery?  Gimme me a break.  You could spin it another way (since you are spinning).  If it wasn't for slavery, perhaps, they would have been all white.

It is a wise man who knows his father.  I have taught Basic American Genealogy for many years in my past and am constantly amazed as what people discover in their personal history.  Just as many blacks find some white roots,  it can also be said that some whites just as easily have a black branch in their own tree.


 
 
BG
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Re: Rumors prove true

October 8 2009, 6:03 PM 

Maybe some of Barck's ancestors owned some of Michelle's ancestors.

As for Michelle being the first descendant of slaves we can't be too sure.

White Slavery in America

The topic of this story is a sensitive one yet one of great importance. White slavery in America was real. There are many documents that verify the bondage, kidnapping and transporting of Brits to the Colonies as slaves. The importance of this story will help those who cannot find a ship passenger list on their ancestor. This story may not pertain to all who came to America that are not listed on ship passenger lists.

The Journal of Negro History #52 pp.251-273 states, The sources of racial thought in Colonial America pertaining to slave trade worked both directions with white merchandise as well as black.

Thomas Burton recorded in his Parliament Diary 1656-1659 vol. 4 pp. 253-274 a debate in the English Parliament focusing on the selling of British whites into slavery in the New World. The debate refers to whites as slaves whose enslavement threatened the liberties of all Englishmen.

The British government had realized as early as the 1640s how beneficial white slave labor was to the profiting colonial plantations. Slavery was instituted as early as 1627 in the British West Indies. The Calendar of State Papers, Colonial Series of 1701 records 25000 slaves in Barbados in which 21700 were white slaves.

George Downing wrote a letter to the honorable John Winthrop Colonial Governor of Massachusetts in 1645, planters who want to make a fortune in the West Indies must procure white slave labor out of England if they wanted to succeed. Lewis Cecil Grays History of Agriculture in the Southern United States to 1860 vol.1 pp 316, 318 records Sir George Sandys 1618 plan for Virginia, referring to bound whites assigned to the treasurers office. To belong to said office forever. The service of whites bound to Berkeley Hundred was deemed perpetual.

The Quoke Walker case in Massachusetts 1773 ruled that; slavery contrary to the state Constitution was applied equally to Blacks and Whites in Massachusetts.

Statutes at Large of Virginia, vol. 1 pp. 174, 198, 200, 243 & 306 did not discriminate Negroes in bondage from Whites in Bondage.

Marcellus Rivers and Oxenbridge Foyle, Englands Slaves 1659 consists of a statement smuggled out of the New World and published in London referring to whites in bondage who did not think of themselves as indentured servants but as Englands Slaves and Englands merchandise.

Colonial Office, Public Records Office, London 1667, no. 170 records that even Blacks referred to the White forced laborers in the colonies as white slaves. Pages 343 through 346 of Historical Sketch of the Persecutions Suffered by the Catholics of Ireland by; Patrick F. Moran refers to the transportation of the Irish to the colonies as the slave-trade.

Ulrich B. Phillips, Life and Labor in the Old South explain that white enslavement was crucial to the development of the Negro slave system. The system set up for the white slaves governed, organized and controlled the system for the black slaves. Black slaves were late comers fitted into a system already developed. Pp 25-26. John Pory declared in 1619, white slaves are our principle wealth.

The above quotations from various authors are just the tip of the iceberg on the white slave trade of the Americas. People from the British Isles were kidnapped, put in chains and crammed into ships that transported hundreds of them at a time. Their destination was Virginia Boston, New York, Barbados and the West Indies. The white slaves were treated the same or worse than the black slave. The white slave did not fetch a good price at the auction blocks. Bridenbaugh wrote in his accounting on page 118, having paid a bigger price for the Negro, the planters treated the black better than they did their Christian white servant. Even the Negroes recognized this and did not hesitate to show their contempt for those white men who, they could see, were worse off than themselves.

Governments have allowed this part of American and British history to be swallowed up. The contemptible black slavery has taken a grip on people associated with American History. Yet, no one will tell of these accountings that are well established on to the middle 1800s.

Slavery is not something to be proud of but it is a fact that happened to every country, kingdom and empire that has been on this earth. Each of us needs to search our hearts and find the answer to stop racial hatred. One place to begin; realize that the black race was not the only race in the last 400 years that was in bondage.


 
 

cjgrill
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Re: Rumors prove true

October 8 2009, 8:20 PM 

Why? It's just "the circumstances of history" that lead to my hypothetical girl being born. If the Obamas "should be grateful" for the institution of slavery which set up the "circumstances of history" that lead to their meeting, then by the exact same reasoning that girl should be grateful for rapists, since a violent rape of her mother set up the "circumstances of history" which caused her to exist.

It's an exact parallel, webpm.

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And with this I agree, exact parallel.


 
 

Mari
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Re: Rumors prove true

October 8 2009, 9:29 PM 

 

Honestly people, webby just gave us another look into the mentality of many folks.



America, we are better than these last eight years. We are a better country than this.

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Jim
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Re: Rumors prove true

October 8 2009, 9:31 PM 

it was the circumstances of history that lead the two of them to ultimately meet!  Without those circumstances they would have never met and she would not be the First Lady!

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As if that could be the premier attainment of anyone's life. 

I would guess if you would ask Michelle Obama if she had the power to turn back the clock of time, and give up being First Lady, and as a result, could slavery be undone, she would say "yes".

You are a despicable human being web.  No getting around it.

Jim...


 
 
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