Will America listen and demand what is constitutional or will they go for the hand outs. On Boortz talk show this a.m. a man called in to complain about jobs going overseas and he kept saying our jobs and Boortz reminded him they weren't OUR jobs, the jobs were the owners. We have so many in this country that have been brain-washed into the notion every thing belongs to them and isn't that what the Russians thought that finally led to their their revolution. Is that where this country is headed?
Brief · Monday, October 26, 2009
The Foundation:
"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever." --John Adams
You can either support Democrat health care or the Constitution ... but not both.
"At the heart of the American idea is the deep distrust and suspicion the founders of our nation had for government, distrust and suspicion not shared as much by today's Americans. Some of the founders' distrust is seen in our Constitution's language such as Congress shall not: abridge, infringe, deny, disparage, violate and deny. If the founders did not believe Congress would abuse our God-given rights, they would not have provided those protections. After all, one would not expect to find a Bill of Rights in Heaven; it would be an affront to God. Other founder distrust for government is found in the Constitution's separation of powers, checks and balances and the several anti-majoritarian provisions such as the Electoral College and the requirement that three-quarters of state legislatures ratify changes in the Constitution. The three branches of our federal government are no longer bound by the Constitution as the framers envisioned and what is worse is American ignorance and acceptance of such rogue behavior. Look at the current debate over government involvement in health, business bailouts and stimulus packages. The debate centers around questions as whether such involvement is a good idea or a bad idea and whether one program is more costly than another. Those questions are entirely irrelevant to what should be debated, namely: Is such government involvement in our lives permissible under the U.S. Constitution? That question is not part of the debate. The American people, along with our elected representatives, whether they're Republicans or Democrats, care less about what is and what is not permissible under our Constitution. They think Congress has the right to do anything upon which they can secure a majority vote, whether they have the constitutional or moral authority to do so or not." --George Mason economics professor Walter E. Williams
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
October 26 2009, 5:15 PM
Will America listen and demand what is constitutional or will they go for the hand outs.
People like you didn't give a f*ck about this issue when a republican was POTUS. Now you act all indignant and shocked that this is happening. Piss Off!
This message has been edited by cjgrill on Oct 26, 2009 5:18 PM
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
October 26 2009, 5:41 PM
Actually, Congress can authorize a public option for health care using the general Welfare clause and there isn't a damned thing the naysayers can do about it but whine.
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
October 26 2009, 5:54 PM
Actually, Congress can authorize a public option for health care using the general Welfare clause and there isn't a damned thing the naysayers can do about it but whine.
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they can also authorize euthanasia for anyone over 65 with that clause
doesn't make it right ********
and the people can use the tenth amendment to take all of it down
as it is not specifically given to the government as a constitutional power
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
October 26 2009, 7:26 PM
cjgrill
(Login cjgrill) Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both October 26 2009, 5:15 PM
Will America listen and demand what is constitutional or will they go for the hand outs.
People like you didn't give a f*ck about this issue when a republican was POTUS. Now you act all indignant and shocked that this is happening. Piss Off!
Oh oh must have hit a nerve with one who is taking.
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
October 26 2009, 8:55 PM
Actually, Congress can authorize a public option for health care using the general Welfare clause and there isn't a damned thing the naysayers can do about it but whine.
Obviously, if Congress agreed with you, they would have already done it.
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
October 26 2009, 10:21 PM
Indeed, but my favorite part of Ron's opinion is where he thinks the naysayers can't do anything but whine. We shall see about that too...
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Oh, I don't know.. That's all I've ever seen out of you whiners. That is what you do best.
Of course that's all you've ever seen. It's *your* Magic Kingdom! I wouldn't be particularly proud of it were I you, but God fixed that for both of us.
What are you suggesting to do beyond your whining?
A nice repeat of the purge of '94 would be nice, the last time we had a dangerous loose-cannon in the White House. But then I have to assume from above that you never saw it, so here are some links.
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
October 27 2009, 1:48 AM
A nice repeat of the purge of '94 would be nice, the last time we had a dangerous loose-cannon in the White House. But then I have to assume from above that you never saw it, so here are some links.
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Oh, I remember it.
Get back to me in 13 months. If the GOP has the majority in either the House or the Senate at that time, I'll eat these pixels.
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
October 27 2009, 11:43 PM
"cjgrill
(Login cjgrill) Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both October 26 2009, 9:43 PM
Oh oh must have hit a nerve with one who is taking.
Evelyn
Nope, I nor any of my imediate family get any government money/subsides... yet. Just pointing out what a complete idiot you are."
Yawn, again I ask cj ..............how old are you? You act so childish when you read a post that you don't like. I didn't write it...........so what's your beef? You are the one acting like an idiot......did you take lessons or do you come by it naturally.
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
October 28 2009, 12:00 AM
evelyn, anyone with an IQ bigger than their shoe size can read that my posts to you are not childish. You are the childish foolish one who posts mind numbing stupidity. You do that time and time again. Every time someone disagrees with you and/or your C&P you attack, call names and just generally act a fool. It is who you are.
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
October 28 2009, 12:57 AM
"fisconsoclib
(Login fisconsoclib) Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both October 27 2009, 11:50 PM
And you wonder how you got the nickname Evilyn."
And there you go fizz. You didn't read the post where it said I was an idiot did you? If you don't want trash then don't give it out because you can expect a like response.
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
October 28 2009, 1:12 AM
cjgrill
(Login cjgrill) Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both October 28 2009, 12:00 AM
evelyn, anyone with an IQ bigger than their shoe size can read that my posts to you are not childish. You are the childish foolish one who posts mind numbing stupidity. You do that time and time again. Every time someone disagrees with you and/or your C&P you attack, call names and just generally act a fool. It is who you are.
Gee dj your lies are bigger than you are. I attack when I am attacked. If you can show me a post where I have attacked someone without first being attacked then lead me to it or apologize for being the brazen liar you are.
Also show me the mind numbing stupidity posts you accuse me of. Tell me how you can act a fool by writting on this board and show those posts. As I said before you act like a child and that is my perception of you as that is how y ou write and I have a 14 year old grandson that makes as much sense as you do.
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
October 28 2009, 1:29 PM
"Janie
(Login pphhrogg) evil-lyn..... October 28 2009, 1:17 AM
....you post LIES constantly and cj is correct. You don't even have the courage to ADMIT it when you are proven wrong."
Without proof I post lies you cannot accuse me of lying. That makes you the liar because you fail to prove what you have written is fact. Now prove it Janie or apologize.
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
October 29 2009, 9:10 PM
"Janie
(Login pphhrogg) Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both October 29 2009, 7:02 PM
Everyone who can read KNOWS that you post lies, evil-lyn. The ones who "say" you don't are lying....including YOU."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, ,,,,,,,,,,,The BIGGEST LIAR on this board calling me a liar. From one who LIED for years about who she was on the IWON board ........ Janie you were caught red-handed and that is something you will never recover from because............ no one trusts an out and out liar. You compromised yourself and now you have to pay the price , so wear your SCARLET LETTER and try to stay within the truth line as much as you can and maybe you will redeem yourself. Poor soul.
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
November 2 2009, 10:36 AM
"Janie
(Login pphhrogg) Please post..... November 1 2009, 10:13 PM
...UNEQUIVOCAL proof that I'm the "biggest liar on this board", evil-lyn, or YOU get that "honor"
I gave you UNEQUIVOCAL proof when I reminded you of the lie you stuck with on the IWON board and most every one on this board remembers what you did. Liar Jane you have been branded. Just keep in mind that honesty is the best policy, no matter how much it hurts.
...is not relevant here, EVIL-lyn. Now either show unequivocal proof that I'm the "biggest liar on THIS board," or you get that "honor" all to yourself.
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
November 2 2009, 6:02 PM
Evil-lyn grow up will you?
SCARLET LETTER. Really? what a joke you are...
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I've learned that the people you care most about in life are taken from you too soon and
all the less important ones just never go away.
And the real pains in the ass are permanent.
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
November 3 2009, 3:55 PM
Janie
(Login pphhrogg) What I did on IWON.... November 2 2009, 5:07 PM
...is not relevant here, EVIL-lyn. Now either show unequivocal proof that I'm the "biggest liar on THIS board," or you get that "honor" all to yourself.
It is very relevant........everywhere you go. Once provern a liar, always a liar Janie. The stigma is there and you cannot escape it. Janie lies and cannot be trusted.
...you said I as the "biggest liar on THIS board", and you don't have anything to back up that statement whatsoever.
For insance, puspockets (aka: jofox) ALWAYS lies about me when she is stalking me (and she does that on both this board and myway). I haven't lied about anyone on this board...so that would make puspockets a MUCH bigger liar than I am (you can now expect her to LIE again and say she "never" tells lies about me, but I know......and so do SEVERAL of my friends....that she lies through her teeth on a daily basis. But that's neither here nor there right now. YOU just proved yourself to be a bigger liar than she is now.
Re: Support the Constitution/Government........not both
November 4 2009, 4:01 PM
Janie
(Login pphhrogg) Nope..... November 3 2009, 7:08 PM
...you said I as the "biggest liar on THIS board", and you don't have anything to back up that statement whatsoever.
For insance, puspockets (aka: jofox) ALWAYS lies about me when she is stalking me (and she does that on both this board and myway). I haven't lied about anyone on this board...so that would make puspockets a MUCH bigger liar than I am (you can now expect her to LIE again and say she "never" tells lies about me, but I know......and so do SEVERAL of my friends....that she lies through her teeth on a daily basis. But that's neither here nor there right now. YOU just proved yourself to be a bigger liar than she is now.
Janie, just your saying it doesn't make it so. You poor soul, you have made your bed now you must lie in it, hee hee.
I would believe Poetse over you any day and time. You lie just to do it and knowing you do it.
Evelyn
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