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2004 East Coast Bigfoot Confernece DVD Set
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List members:

Just in time for Christmas. The 2004 East Coast Bigfoot Conference 3 DVD set is available for pre-order. The DVD's are 90% complete and of excellent video and audio quality. I have had the chance to preview the dvds and they are excellent. Here is the best part. This 3 dvd set is available right now for pre-order with no shipping for the low cost of 40.00 for the set. It includes a handsome case, 5 1/2 hours of conference video footage, bonus interviews, photos and other surprises. If you are interested, please email me privately or click on this link:

http://www.spellcraftseries.com/store/bigfoot/conf_promo.html

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Eric Altman

Posted on Nov 13, 2004, 9:52 AM
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Report a Indiana Bigfoot Sighting
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To Walt Neice at E-Mail address
sasquatch@iquest.net

Posted on Nov 7, 2004, 7:56 PM
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New Cryptozoology Store
by Corey Chimko
Hey Everybody, just thought I'd let you know about a cool cryptozoology shop with lots of shirts, mugs & stuff (the holidays are coming!)

http://www.cafepress.com/scryptoart/388766

Posted on Oct 12, 2004, 12:04 AM
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Roadkill-saw large animal on 37 north of Bloomington
by tom radcliffe
My wife and I and our two college age children saw a large
charcoal black animal, dead on Hwy. 37 in an area of road construction. It had fur that appeared to be 2-4 inches, thick and uniform.As it lay on the road, the body height was at least 14-20 inches. We guessed it was 3-4 ft long. This was seen from a moving vehicle ( 4-door pick-up truck)

QUESTION- was this a bear-cub or an unusual dog or something else.
We are from Florida and were passing through. Wonder if any local news reports might have covered this strange roadkill!

Posted on Jul 19, 2004, 1:30 AM
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Roadkill
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Have not heard of any news about this.
Walt

Posted on Aug 3, 2004, 6:59 PM
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Bill Asmussen has been....
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..gracious enough to recreate the male bigfoot I encountered close up and in daytime in Minnesota.He is currently working on the female as well.These two where pure white in color.While the female was the same sort of shape as the P.G. film. The bent leg stance and walk and breasts and half bare face is not there.Her face was so completely covered as to obscure any and all facial features.I personally believe she may have been blind!!!.See the male at Bill's Asmussen Bigfoot.

Posted on May 23, 2004, 8:42 PM
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BF and Owl sounds...?
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I woke up this morning to the sound of one of my neighbor's cars idleing to warm up about 6:30am Indiana time. As soon as I heard this, I began hearing what appeared to be an owl, just out in my yard somewhere. It would "whoo" 3 times in a row, then pause. Then, I could hear a fainter "whoo" what seemed to be a good ways away from my trailer but at a slightly higher pitch. I got up and stood by the trailer's backdoor 'coz the sound was coming thru the little window well. I tried as best to peer out and see what I could, but it was still well dark then. The interesting thing is, this continued the entire time the car was warming up,(nearly 5minutes) but once I heard him pull away and leave, the "whoo-ing" stopped. I just don't know if owls are active in the winter, and why it's rare to hear one out here, but all of a sudden I hear two communicating on the same morning.

Last Monday night(12/15/03), we experienced another "odd" smell like crap in the trailer, and when my son stepped out on the porch, he came in to tell me about it smelling that way outside. I jumped out of the shower and got dressed. We went outside with spotlight in hand and walked all around the immediate area, but saw nothing. Then Thursday morning (12/18/03) my daughter heard what she described as a very female like scream around 6am when she took the 5 month old black lab out for his morning bathroom break. Each schreak, or scream lasted between 5 and 10 seconds with a small break between the 3 of them. Then later around 7:45am as she was walking up our long drive to the end to be picked up for school, she heard it twice more, off in a woods to our west/southwest. It really freaked her out.

I've seen nothing familiar this time like the first two encounters: the limb being placed up in the apple tree pointing to the east. I have a game cam in a tree along our drive where I believe he's come thru before. I'm just wondering though IF these owl sounds were really owls this morning, or two of them (BF)communicating with each other. It was unusual to hear one (an owl) in the first place, but the fact they didn't start until the car was running, then stopped as abruptly as the car left, well, that is just weird... unless that's what owls do. <?>

Any thoughts?

Posted on Dec 22, 2003, 1:37 PM
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owls
by SteveP
I have had this happen, go out in the early AM, apparently disturbing an owl nearby, and actually heard it land in a tree a little farther away, and start hooting. Sometimes another owl will answer, if there is one nearby. As to the screams, here in Southern IN we have had a rash of cougar/mt lion/panther sightings lately, a horse hear Huntingburg was attacked and still shows the scars. DNR denies theier existence, but too many have been seen. Hope that helps a little.

Good hunting and HAPPY 2004!

Posted on Jan 1, 2004, 7:41 AM
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'owls'
by rup
I've heard similar calls several times while camping off the Kancamawgus Hwy in WMNF of NH. These calls came at night (~10pm) after we had called it a night. A call from not too far away, and an answer from much further away, and from another relative direction. It sounded too 'loud' (while a mid-hi frquency call, it had substantial bass) for an owl, but we couldn't imagine what elce it could be.

Posted on Jan 13, 2004, 11:28 AM
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owls
by rup
I have heard similar sounds many times while camping in the WMNF of NH, especially in the Big Rock campground on the Kancamagus Hwy. Typically heard after we sack-out (~10-11pm). First a 'owl-like' sound that seems fairly close (100 yds?), and an answer from much further away, and from a different direction. The sound was similar to an owl, but the apparent volume and low frequency components made us wonder. A really 'healthy' owl??

Posted on Jan 13, 2004, 11:55 AM
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Rare Gorilla Dies
by Henry

World's only albino gorilla dies
Monday, November 24, 2003 Posted: 4:32 AM EST (0932 GMT)

Snowflake was found in central Africa in 1966.

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BARCELONA, Spain (AP) -- Snowflake, an extremely rare albino gorilla and the most popular resident of Barcelona Zoo, died of skin cancer early Monday morning, zoo officials said.

The white gorilla's health had deteriorated in recent days, and he was taken out of his public exhibition space last Wednesday, news reports said.

Snowflake, or Copito de Nieve in Spanish, was taken to the zoo's veterinary department for an autopsy.

The gorilla was thought to be between 38 and 40 years old. The average life span in the wild is 25.

In his 37 years at the Barcelona zoo, he fathered 22 offspring with three different females. None is albino.

Snowflake was diagnosed with skin cancer in 2001.

The gorilla's wrinkly white face is on postcards all over the city. He was a main character in a novel and even had memoirs written in his name.

Posted on Nov 24, 2003, 5:42 PM
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New Species Discovered
by Henry
New whale species may have been found
Wednesday, November 19, 2003 Posted: 1:39 PM EST (1839 GMT)

The whale, possibly a new species, grows to the size of a motor home.

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BALTIMORE, Maryland (AP) -- Japanese scientists say they have identified a new species of whale -- a remarkable discovery if confirmed.

The animal is a type of baleen, the family of whales that strain tiny plankton and other food from seawater, the researchers say.

"Can you imagine? An animal of more than 10 meters was unknown to us even in the 21st century," said Tadasu Yamada of Tokyo's National Science Museum, the senior author of the study that appears in this week's issue of the journal Nature.

Most baleens grow to enormous proportions, like the blue whale, which at 75 feet (22.5 meters) long and more than 100 tons is believed to be the largest animal that has ever lived.

By comparison, the new species is on the small side at about 30 feet (9 meters) long -- about the size of a motor home -- and slender.

While new species of smaller creatures such as insects, birds and amphibians are discovered every year, it is very unusual for scientists to identify a new mammal, particularly one so large.

Most whale species were described during the 18th and 19th centuries when commercial whaling drove many to the brink of extinction.

Scientists currently recognize 70 whale species, including as many as 12 types of baleen whales. But little is known about the subtle differences among many types of whales that are seldom seen by humans.

The Japanese researchers made their discovery through DNA analysis of nine adult whale carcasses. Eight -- five females and three males -- were killed in 1970 for research in the eastern Indian Ocean and the Solomon Sea.

At the time, scientists assumed they were undersized fin whales. A ninth whale -- a female -- was killed accidentally in the Sea of Japan in 1998.

Fisherman towed it to Tsunoshima Island, where Yamada examined it. Later, he began comparing it to preserved samples of the eight whales in his nation's fisheries research collection. The anatomical and molecular comparison took several years to complete.

Nearly every whale carcass raises new possibilities. It could take additional studies over several years before other biologists accept the new whale species.

According to the Nature study, the new species shows several differences from fin whales, including external features, bone structure and DNA. The researchers named the new species Balaenoptera omurai in honor of the late Japanese whale researcher, Dr. Hideo Omura.

Besides being smaller than fin whales, the new species has fewer baleen plates in its mouth, Yamada says. Baleen is a hornlike substance that forms filaments that hang down from the roof of the mouth to strain food from seawater.

DNA analysis performed on samples from three of the whales showed they differ from fin whales by five nucleotides, or base pairs of amino acids, in sections of the whale genome used for comparison.

Caution about claim
Some U.S. researchers are skeptical of the Nature report.

James Mead, curator of marine mammals at the National Museum of Natural History at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, said there are at least seven other whale species that share the same traits, and a more careful comparison is needed before a new species is accepted.

"I am disappointed in the lack of thorough comparison with other species of allied whales," Mead said.

Harvard whale researcher Joe Roman said the evidence for classifying them as a new species was "compelling and certainly warrants further study."

Researchers on both sides of the Pacific said the questions surrounding the nine whales demonstrates how little is known about them. They condemned whale-hunting, even for scientific purposes.

In 1986, the International Whaling Commission imposed a moratorium on commercial whaling. Japan, however, takes hundreds of whales a year under a scientific exemption, usually selling them for food and other products after they are studied.

Norway has ignored the ban since 1993 and resumed commercial hunting, while Iceland resumed scientific whaling this year.

Yamada said the new species is a small population, which should be studied more carefully before countries decide to harvest the whales for research.

Roman agreed, saying, "research whaling could actually endanger this exciting discovery."

Posted on Nov 19, 2003, 4:34 PM
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Bigfoot Obituary
by Henry
Robert Guenette

LOS ANGELES (AP) � Robert Guenette, an Emmy Award-winning documentarian who filled films including "They've Killed President Lincoln" with reenactments that seem shot by on-the-scene news crews, died Friday of brain cancer. He was 68.

Guenette's television films include "Victory at Entebbe!" and "The Crucifixion of Jesus."

The writer, editor, director and producer of hundreds of hours of documentaries helped found the International Documentary Association and the Los Angeles Media & Education Center.

He produced "Monsters! Mysteries or Myths?" in 1974, an investigation of the Loch Ness monster, the Abominable Snowman and Bigfoot that remains TV's highest-rated documentary.

Guenette's documentaries appeared on the three major networks, HBO, Showtime, PBS and in syndication.

He produced and co-wrote "They've Killed President Lincoln," which features grainy newsreel-style footage portraying John Wilkes Booth shooting the president and interviews with bystanders. The 1971 film won an Emmy for outstanding achievement in cultural documentary programming.

Posted on Nov 13, 2003, 4:55 PM
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Sasquatch....Man of the Forest
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You are invited to a new message forum. We encourage all manner of information about Sasquatch. Questions, stories, opinions, theories and true information is what we seek.This is a moderated forum. Contrary to most message forums, posters are encouraged NOT to post under their true names.We are not interested in who you are or your affiliations. Without prior misconceptions or professional barriers,we hope to experience your knowledge and insight only.At this forum, you are individual.Before posting, refer to the introductory header message for posting directions. We welcome anyone, regardless of experience or reputation. This forum hopes to establish a learning ground without the problems that true identity brings. To enter:

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/269189

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Posted on Nov 11, 2003, 5:53 PM
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Forum Check
by Sean Nevius
Time to face the firing squad: Bigfoot America
September 8 2003 at 8:55 AM Sean Nevius (no login)

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This forum, My opinions, The info posted: Please state YOUR OPINIONS should I continue operating this forum? Has it provided a service to the Bigfoot community?

Posted on Sep 8, 2003, 11:16 AM
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about Michigan...& northern Indiana...
by littlefoot
Has anyone heard of any sightings in lower Michigan or northern Indiana? This site has been up for a while now, and there's not much new. I guess I can't talk, though, because I've had 2 that aren't reported anywhere. What puts me off is the fact that the websites want to copyright the story... It feels like they only want to hear from you so they can write some book & make money. It's disheartening... And then I also think that no noe is going to believe me anyway... But, if you've heard of anything, please post to let me know.

Posted on Jul 18, 2003, 6:22 PM
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Please let me clarify...
by littlefoot
Boy, did I ever mess up that message!

Here we go again, this time it might make sense...I hope!

The problem is that people (including me) are reluctant to report sightings. Where's the most reliable website to report a sighting, either old or new? Indiana Bigfoot Society's website would be the closest active website to my area to report something, and would probably be helpful to people in Indiana if they're in the northern part. And this website has an aura of integrity.

The only website I've found for Bigfoot in Michigan is Daigle's website, which has been inactive for a long time. Nothing new has been posted, nor do they answer email messages. There are paranormal sites, but I'm not interested in those. Bigfoot is a real flesh & blood critter, not a time-warping ghostly space being who can disappear right before your eyes. Pudding's pudding & jello is jello. If your try to mix 'em up they just don't taste right. I'm not saying paranormal is garbage... I'm saying that flying saucers & bigfoot are separate phenomena. I refuse to mix them for good reason.

And this copyright business throws me for a loop. It reeks of potential moneygrabbing to me. I've been obsessed with bigfoot for most of my life. For a while I didn't even have a name for the critter. People like me who've seen things, well, we don't want to be ridiculed, and I know I'm not going to hand over info to someone who just wants to make a buck publishing a book. That does nothing to further BF research.

The most legitimate national website appears to be BFRO. I'm considering contacting them with my info. Cooperation between national, regional & state organizations is the way to go.

I believe the BF migrate through areas on a seasonal basis in my area. That means there's a migratory route. Without input from others who have had experiences, and cooperation between the various BF societies in connecting areas, we'll get nowhere fast. BF know no state boundaries.

Anyway, let me know what you think. If you know of a Michigan website I haven't found, please let me know. If you have had a sighting or a questionable experience in the northwest Indiana/southwest Michigan area, please let this forum know.

Posted on Jul 19, 2003, 12:18 AM
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To Littlefoot
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Send me your e-mail address, Walt

Posted on Jul 20, 2003, 2:15 PM
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IL bigfoot
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I know this isn't exactly an Indiana report, but it is from Vermilion (yes, just one "l") county in Illinois, just across the state line from Vermillion county IN. According to the state sighting map on the BFRO, 2 adjoining counties in IN indicate sightings, roughly 20 mi from the area I've looked into. For those familiar with the area, I'm of course speaking of Danville, IL. In summer 1981 at the age of 19, a friend and I were fishing at Inland Sea at Kickapoo state park. After getting no bites and the day nearing dusk, my friend was concerned he heard noise in the brush behind us. I didn't hear anything but did get a distinct feeling of being watched. Like foolish teens we decided to throw the poles in the car and check whatever it was out. I got my 6 volt lantern and while my friend lifted the foliage at the bottom of the clearing up I shone the light up beneath it up the slow incline of the hill behind us that rose to about 15-20 ft. I shone to his right with no response, then he said shine it to my left which I did, and after a second or two he stumbled backwards into me and yelled "let's get out of here"! I didn't see what he did but wasn't sticking around to either, so we jumped in my car and sped down the dirt road for a mile or two. He said when I shined the light to his left he saw what he thought were 2 big tree trunks, but then noticed there was dark brown hair on them and they began to walk. He had been deer hunting with his father and said they looked nothing like a deer, besides it's unlikely a deer would hang around that close to humans. We went back the next day at full noon, he with his compound bow and I with my BB pistol (for protection, y'know). At least I could put it's eye out, lol! We crawled up the hill and found the vegetation mashed down at the top like something huge had been through. We followed a deer trail along the ridge and found what looked like some large depressions but nothing that we could discern as a footprint. We gave up after an hour or so and in time the incident receded into our memories as just another facet of our past. But not before I asked around town and found out several stories told from someones friend or grandparents and such about the "wildman" that supposedly lived in the surrounding woods. About 6 months later there were media repots from Tilton IL about a bigfoot that threw a garbage can 50 ft in a ladies yard and left footprints all over.
Just recently I threw the question out on my hometown newspapers's website, and though expecting a few snide skeptics remarks I got a few amazing reports. One concerning my grandfather who died in 1940 from a coal mine accident when my dad was only 7. After my incident in 81, an uncle told me my grandpa had been part of a posse looking for the wildman in the 1930's. Just last week someone on the website told me an almost identical story about his father being in that posse. They found several footprints along the Salt Fork river, just over the IN/IL state line. The man said his father had a size 14 shoe and could easily fit it inside the footprints. He also said his father most likely knew my grandpa as he said his father was at a funeral for a friend who had been killed in the mine, who I can only presume was my own grandfather! Amazing how one can find a bit out about your own family history while looking for bigfoot stories!

If my real name is required I'll supply it via
email. -Thanks.

Posted on Jul 25, 2003, 6:08 PM
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heard screams
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I lived in nothern Indiana-just north of South Bend in 1978. The area was rural but I can't remember detailed directions to the house. We didn't live there but 6 months or so. My mother and I were renting a small house behind the main house owned by a couple my mother's boyfriend knew. There were alot of woods to the rear of the house, I was awoken on night by loud screams in the near distance behind the property, it scared the heck out of me! I was home alone, my mother was gone for a few days. I never told her because I knew she would say I was only dreaming. I guess I could have been dreaming but the screams are to this day embeaded in my memory. They sounded alot like the screams I have heard just recently on some web sites.

Posted on Oct 19, 2003, 6:48 PM
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Hey Little...
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Yes, we've had a sighting and have just recently reported it. We live less than an hour of the Michigan line. If you'd like to read about it, it should be here at Indiana Bigfoot Society now, but I've started a web page to encourage others to report it was well. Check out http://home.earthlink.net/~bigfoot46555 to see our site.

Thanks.

Posted on Nov 1, 2003, 2:07 PM
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Here's a couple...
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Hey LittleFoot... there ARE a few Indiana websites to check out.
www.indianabigfoot.com - The Indiana Bigfoot Society
http://home.earthlink.net/~bigfoot46555 - mine
And the GCBRO site seems to at least carry and report sightings from here that are reported to them. I've never gotten a respose from BFRO after reporting our encounter with them. Even try a google search.. I've turned up several random reports from generic websites just by playing with different search strings.
Good luck.
-M-

Posted on Nov 9, 2003, 1:44 PM
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thanks for the call back
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Mr. Neice, I want to thank you again for calling.
As I told you,if you ever have any thing you need checked into down my way consider me at your service.

Posted on Jul 5, 2003, 12:24 AM
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New Discussion Forum-Bigfoot America
by Yankee
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/254908...Thank you for posting.

Posted on Jun 25, 2003, 9:22 AM
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Visit this site!!!!!!!!!!!
by Yankee
And join the discussions,post your opinions openly! :)

Posted on Aug 15, 2003, 2:34 PM
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some issues concerning a huge search for sasquatch....
by stevo
i understand there is a pretty important bigfoot conference in texas soon where jane goodall was supposidly going to speak on undiscovered primates or something. (i believe she cancelled for important reasons, but made a video for the conference) anyway, what will happen if funding goes through for a big search? will unwanted people get involved to become the first to find or kill sasquatch? what happens if this is the case and a sasquatch hurts or kills a man because it was hurt or its life was threatened? that would be terrible because some people will call the big search life-threatening and sasquatch, a monster....of course it has been given this label but in my opinion it is not. i think a search should be conducted secretly for these reasons. does anyone agree?

Posted on Jun 12, 2003, 11:38 PM
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already happening
by James
It's already happened and will doubtless happen again in a class between the species (us and them) over food sources. There is an interesting and telling story out of Hanobia where the gun toting deer poachers exercising their God given right to kill anything that moves, basically baited and brought up a population of food seeking interlopers who then insulted the humans habitat terrifying the families and basically starting a standoff. Observers came in and tried to help by basically urging an end to the excessive process of overharvesting deer and carcass missmanagement, all the while pointing out that the spotlights and gun reports were like a dinner bell being rung load and clear. It's like if you found out at the end of Jaws that the "monster" came into the bay because of over chumming, or if in India they baited tigers with lamb slaughter while playing Led Zepplin and then a kid gets killed and someone says "Zepplin music makes tigers like children". In this case which will ultimately be heard by everyone I'm sure, the investigators were careful to hide behind the warriors family members so they wouldn't get their ass shot off in the melee (thats French for general confused fighting for those who don't own a dictionary). This story will invoke a great deal of hubbub, naysaying, and blabber jab from the uninitiated and from the many arm chair theorists and pontificators who will say that everyone misshandled the event and or were incompetent - I beg to differ but time will tell. Everyone involved was scrambling to handle a very, very unique and powerfully exciting set of circumstances - perhaps the most intense event in the history of this subject matter and research. No amount of after the fact analysis will substitute for a good well thought out cooperative effort to get back out in the field with more money, better equipment, teams of smart level headed individuals and a great deal of intestinal fortitude! Next time there will be thermal imaging equipment and probably big guns but hopefuly less shooting of lead and more of images. Don't forget your snow peas and some deer liver.

As far as the clash between the species - it will continue until humans can step up to the fact that, like it or not, we must become better stewards and caretakers of the planet God gave us - then there will be food aplenty. Godspeed.

Posted on Jun 17, 2003, 5:41 PM
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Big Search for Bigfoot
by Monster Finder
Sorry, but historically, "big" searchs have failed, and so have little ones. Bigfoot is always one step
ahead of anything we do.

They are smarter than we are.

Posted on Jun 22, 2003, 3:11 AM
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Bigfoot North
by Sean Nevius
url:http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/252287 Everyone is welcome!! thank you

Posted on Jun 3, 2003, 10:40 AM
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Fouke Monster
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My Dad tells a good story that he actually heard from a state police officer. Remember the Legend of Boggy Creek? He was hunting in southern AR in the Fouke Bottoms where that story took place, about the same timeframe.
Any news on the South Eastern OK bigfoot that is scaring all the truck drivers? Supposedly there is a lonely outpost that big rigs have to go to in So. East OK to get fuel, and many drivers are refusing to go there at night.

Posted on May 15, 2003, 12:07 AM
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New Web Page and Message Board *correction*
by jimmyokla
I'd like to invite everyone to post to my new Northeastern Oklahoma Bigfoot Sightings message board and web page.
http://network54.com/Forum/245129
http://skywarn_kd5ctl.tripod.com/

Posted on Mar 31, 2003, 5:38 PM
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killing a bigfoot?
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killing a bigfoot is not that bad of an idea to prove it exists protection for the animal would have to be a priority afterwards if not every beer drinking redneck in the country would be out shooting up the forest, houses, each other ect...but i dont think that killing one would be that easy im not saying it is bulletproof although some reports might suggest such a thing if you look at it from another angle you are talking about hunting an animal ape near human thing whatever you want to associate it with that by now more than likely after how ever many thousands of years knows what we are and that we are dangerous to it i dont care if your daniel boone hunting this whatever it is down would be a nearly impossible feat the only way it will ever happen is by pure luck which dosent rule it out entirely but to all of the people that think that they can go out and bait it in with a couple of brownies need to check out the side effects of the medication that they are on or should be i have my own theory about what it is and it isnt gigantopithicis the giganto is extinct bigfoot is in the process of extiction now that is why you have so many legends of it in native american stories and legends from all all over the world see i belive that there were more of them then and that through competion for survial aginst man that the evolved ape as i like to call it has been in a steady decline for the last 500 or more years this whole theory of mine looks better on paper where you can see a graph of what im talking about and i could explain it a little better i plann on going to the conferance in april it will be my first one hope fully i will see some of you there and we can talk im going to get off my soap box now take care of yourseleves

Posted on Mar 31, 2003, 3:10 PM
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Killing is not the answer mate!
by Bigfoot Dundee
Trapping a live animal is the ticket.

Posted on Apr 10, 2003, 10:28 AM
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Extinction ???
by Rick Base
Walter,

I agree with almost everything in your posting...Almost everything. Should a 'Squatch be killed ? Yeah,probably. If for nothing else then to just prove once and for all what most of us already know.
Is it possible to "hunt" down one ?? Now way, As you pointed out they are much smarter then we could ever hope to be when it comes to the forests. These guys make Mowgli look like Jethro Bodine.
Are their numbers on the decline ?? I really doubt it. What would hunt them ?? Nothing. Why would they die out ?? Lack of habitat ?? That really doesn't cut it either in my opinion. There are millions of square acres in north America alone that would have no problem in supporting a vast number of these critters.
I will amit that they are probably being shoved out of some of their stomping grounds.Logging operations,sub divisions and just the general expansion of our cities and towns probably do take alot of their territory but you must remember that whatever these things are ( I'm in the ape side myself) they are incredibly adaptive creatures. If they would get pushed out of one area I really don't think they would have any trouble relocating.
What are your statistics based upon ??

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extinction
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i really dont have statisics just an idea if you look at the old legends and stories i think that it is possible that this creature is in the process of extinction by what is called natural selection if you have two different species competing for food, space to live in ect... there will be a consant decline in the losing species be it from loss of habitat which i belive that has something to do with it but not as much as stress on the species its self yes they are probably adapable they would have to be to survive for so long but if you watch animals and how they act stress can be a very large factor stop and think about it how would you feel if you and your whole family had to move every 6 months because some one just came in and took your house would that be a stressful situation ? ok now think about this as a whole adaptabilty could only go so far soon you would see low birth rates disese and so on and so forth thus bring up the natruarl selection thing agin the stronger species wins thus a slow decline in the poulation of the losing species i agree that there is thousands of miles of habitat in the US that could support a large number of these species but i think that the damage had been doen long ago by nature and we helped it along unintentsional or not i belive it is an ape not a man as i said before giganto is dead but ther is geneticaly not that much differance between ape and man so did the ape just stop evoloving i belive what we have is an evolved ape that has competed with man in the past and lost to natural selection as far as populations ...here we go ! the north american indian seen these things long before we came to this country they are part of their religion superstitions their world before we built skyscrapers there was some kind of relationship beteewn the indian and bigfoot because i belive there were more of the creatures then look how much the US has change since then what kind of impact have we made on the natural world here there i go back to natural selection ,look how much the world has changed then think about things on a global aspectwhat kind of impact would we be talking about on a species that could not comete with man for space ? well you get unknown animals such as bigfoot that can find there only hope to survive as long as possible is to hide and stay away from man i could go on writing forever and probably not get my point across the way i mean to it is just an idea i have and i have trouble typing it out i could show you what i mean by using a graph or something like that well i hoped i kind of explained what i meant feel free to e-mail me

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Exstinction
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I dont really believe these critters are really in much compition with us as of now, I remember reading an article that said less than 5% of our total land mass is undeveloped, In between all these cities and suburbs are woods that ajoin there territories together, they get spotted crossing roads when the road becomes a small obstacle within there range.In fact some of these creatures are taking advantage of all the farms, fruit orchards, livestock that modern man provides them with.I laugh to myself when all these researchers want protection for bigfoot, Bigfoot has managed to protect itself far greater than we ever could,the best we could do for them is save our wilderness in which with or without there official discovery our wilderness will be protected to a certain degree. Long live Bigfoot

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Killing a Bigfoot
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I have mixed feelings about killing one of these animals.I dont think I would kill one myself,However I do want to see proof that the animal is real,and killing one I believe is the only way.After the first animal is killed for science,I believe it will need protected after that, because everyone with a gun will want to hunt this animal.I dont think there is alot of these animals out there.
Walt Neice

Posted on Mar 12, 2003, 10:26 PM
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New Group
by SteveP
For those who believe that we must have a Bigfoot corpse in order to prove it's exixtence, and therefore legally protect all the others, this group is for you! No shape shifters, ufo freaks, etc.

BigfootKillers@yahoogroups.com

Welcome!

Posted on Feb 28, 2003, 5:02 PM
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Bigfoot killers
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The excuse of protection holds as much weight as a feather in a tornado, and to throw around terms such as freaks whic are often thrown at Bigfoot believers as well seems to place you beside thoughs who call you a freak. One can not expect others to beleive their own claims if they themselves choose to attack the beliefs of people with claims that to many are just as outrageous as you're own. Negetivity breeds negativity, and as you seem full of it you place yourself in a position in which you're own views are doomed.

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by SasquatchIN
A feather weighs the same in a tornado as it does on the ground. I personally believe that those individuals who believe that bigfoot is an alien, or shape shifter,or 15 foot tall penguin ARE freaks. I do not expect anyone to believe my 'claims', because I have made none. I do expect everyone who legitimately
investigate this phenomenon to educate themselves and make their own decisions. I have made mine, and you cannot change them. I don't find it 'outrageous' that dozens of anthropologists, wildife biologists, and zoologists agree with me. I find that the 'shape-shifter' crowd find fault with we 'hunters' because we can provide the ultimate truth. NO bigfoot bodies, and all theories are still viable. Just ONE body, then all the 'interdimensional transcendentalists' have to go back and hide in their closets.

Posted on Mar 5, 2003, 9:54 PM
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Protection?
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First off you are making calims if you place yourself amung those who believe, like it or not.
Secondly my argument is in the bogus claim to protect the creature. It obviously needs no protection and your claims as such are purely for show. I do not believe that they are aliens or anything but a relative to gigantopiticus. But that does not mean that I make myself look like a fool by throwing around names like a school boy. I would just like to see a more adult approach to the issue. People read these boards and when they do it would be nice to know that they do not look at us in a worse light than needed. Make your claims, state your facts,promote your belief but leave the name calling on the playground.

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we need a body
by steve
I am not into killing for the fun of it...but I do think we need 1 body to prove all the bigfoot haters wrong

Posted on Mar 12, 2003, 6:10 PM
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A Body for Science
by Laurie
Do you really think bringing in the corpse of a Bigfoot is going to prove it's existence? Maybe to you or whoever you call but I guarantee the powers that be would prefer to keep this mammal an urban legend.This is a soap box I get on about twice a year so if there are any of you out there that have heard this speech, just move on to the next thread and I apologize for the redundance.
With the government's satellite technology with capabilities that can read the writing on a dime, I would imagine they have some of the best photos of Bigfoot. I would go as far to say that top scientists are already studying them and probably have several living in a habitat. Why the secrecy? Well, think about it. A rare and unknown species would have a better chance of survival if we humans would leave them alone. We don't exactly have the best track record when it comes to endangered species, now do we? As it is, we encroach into their habitats everyday with our biggest money maker, the timber industry. Deep pockets in Washington will insure that no habitats will be set aside for the Bigfoot. Existing in every continental state, it would paralyse the industry and we would be wiping our butts with some very expensive cotton toilet paper.

My guess that a body is going to bring you more trouble than you could ever imagine. Most likely they will confiscate the body, threaten you with a homicide charge or give you a choice, silence or disapear in some federal prison system. I realize this sounds paranoid but our government has a history of conspiracy. No one can argue with that.

If you must seek out the legendary sasquatch, then seek him out to learn more about him. Killing him will not help him but knowing what he needs will be of greater benefit in the future.

Posted on Mar 31, 2003, 8:31 PM
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G-Day ladies and gentlemem.

I keep hearing the same old same old regarding what is and is not dangerous and the need to take a weapon when out looking for Bigfoot or the Auatralian Yowie for that matter. Ask yourselves:

" Has Bigfoot actually killed anyone ? "

Scott

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i cuold not
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When I was in a position to do it i found out i could not becouse of some fear that was new to me.also i had the feeling i would be killing a man. Jack Welch

Posted on Dec 18, 2003, 12:46 AM
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New Sasquatch Northwest Forum
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Hello all,

Just wanted to invite anyone who has not yet had the chance to visit our new forum to drop in and take a look see.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/sasquatchnw/

Hope to see you soon!

George Karras
Sasquatch Northwest

Posted on Feb 20, 2003, 4:10 PM
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My thoughts on Bigfoot (long)
by Steve P
On Bigfoot Hunting

I have been fascinated by the Bigfoot phenomena since about 1973. The sightings dating back into the 1700�s and the relative consistency of these sightings lead me to a few conclusions. I am going to generalize for the sake of brevity.

Based on sightings databases such as John Green�s, the B.F.R.O., GCBRO, and dozens I have personally investigated, I find these sightings have a few things in common. Firstly, the sightings take on regional differences. Sightings along the West coast for example, are of much larger animals, and are more frequent. Sightings in the South seem to be of possibly a whole different species, while here in the Midwest they are much smaller, and differently colored than their West coast kin. These sightings show diversity similar to that of the black bear and grizzly bear, the grizzly bear having a much larger range, and more available food, and the black bear having smaller (although still large) ranges, and different food resources. Only a living, breathing species would show this diversity and relationship with its environment. Compound this with sightings that span a period of hundreds of years, it logically follows that all these sightings cannot be the work of hoaxers.

Any competent tracker (and there are quite a few around) can immediately tell what direction an animal is going, guess how heavy it is, is it injured, etc. from its tracks.
Also any competent tracker can immediately tell if the tracks he sees are hoaxes or not.
Seeing the exact same track, at the same depth, same gait, etc. are all dead giveaways.
The late Dr. Grover Krantz did extensive studies of dermal ridges in a variety of plaster casts of Bigfoot prints. These are analogous to fingerprints in humans, and are practically impossible to fake. Combine this with the variety of casts available, some even showing injuries and deformities that cannot be faked, and logically you must arrive at the same conclusion that I did, there is a large apelike creature wandering North America.

Still don�t believe? Need proof? Well, so do I. I have seen dozens of photographs (all of which can be hoaxes, easily faked), interviewed many people (even with voice stress analysis can be lying), picked up my share of hair (usually coyote or cow), and seen my share of scat (the common term is inconclusive). Add to this the hoaxers who see Bigfoot every time they go into the woods, or claim to actually be feeding a family of them and you can see why the general public does not accept Bigfoot. There are a growing number of scientists who are willing to risk their reputations in order to apply scientific methods to prove or disprove this creature�s existence, they are to be commended.

These creatures follow known biological patterns, there are those out there who insist that Bigfoot is some sort of alien, or shape shifter from another dimension, we leave these people alone with their own respective medical problems. Human qualities are also often attributed to Bigfoot, it�s upright walking is probably the reason. No one has ever seen a Bigfoot use fire, or use tools (any more that other members of the animal kingdom). Human have been using fire for thousands of years, it is one of the things that separate us from lesser animals. Eyeshine, or light reflected from animal�s eyes when light is shone into them is another way to distinguish human from animal. Due to the way our eyes are constructed, humans� eyes do not reflect light as animals� eyes do, there are many sightings mentioning Bigfoot eyes reflecting light (although in different colors). These things logically indicate that this is not a human, but merely an ape, although a very cunning one.

With all this said, there is logically only one way to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that Bigfoot exists. We must have one, living or dead. There is no other way.

No sane, rational person wants to go out and kill every one of these creatures, although most of the �tree huggers� among Bigfoot enthusiasts seem to think so. Live trapping one of these creatures presents some almost insurmountable obstacles, the �shoot them with darts� group are the ones I find most entertaining. With no knowledge of the creature�s physiology, it is impossible to determine which drug to use, how to deliver it, what dosage to use, etc. There could be a real danger to both hunter and creature alike if things don�t go correctly, not to mention what do you put an irate Bigfoot in once you have caught him? The only logical option is to kill one. Once that first creature is killed, then ALL the others can be protected by law. It is hard to enact a law to protect a species that does not exist (except maybe in California), that would change instantly. The person or team that kills the first one will have to deal with every freak from PETA to most likely the EPA, but it must be done. To those out there that attribute Bigfoot with telepathic powers, why doesn�t one of them sacrifice himself, to protect all the others?

What does one do with a freshly killed Bigfoot? Hopefully beforehand the hunter found local sources for dry ice, and has a secure place to keep the creature, away from prying eyes and animal rights terrorists. The physical size and weight of the creature probably preclude it from being carried out whole. Blood and tissue samples should be taken immediately, as well as one hand, one foot, and the head, if possible. Conventional wisdom indicates that the creature may travel in family units; so armed guards are posted to keep all types of two-legged creatures away. A sympathetic biologist associated with a university should be notified. Security should be tight throughout. No access to the public, no selling Bigfoot tissue samples on Ebay, etc. I realize that all this may be gory and gruesome to some, but it is the ONLY WAY we will ever PROVE the existence of this creature.

Posted on Feb 9, 2003, 1:41 PM
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Proof?
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As I read this message and think of so many others I've read or heard I cant help but ask the question "why?". To all those who have seen the creature or those who choose to believe the point of "proof" is meaningless. They choose to believe no matter what is said by others who do not. So it is mans desire to tear down all walls of mystery that exist in the world to satify his own ego. To prove that his beliefs are reality or some would say "I need to prove it to myself." Proving it to ones self is fine but to try to force the world into believing you're beliefs reminds me of religion. Do you believe or do you not, and why does it matter if your neighbor does or doesn't. If the creature was proven to exist than the hunt for the creature would grow ten fold. What would this do for something that has brought so many of us the enjoyment of mystery and fear of the unknown. It is that mystery and fear that places bigfoot in its position of greatness. Fire side tales and late night whispers of strange noises in the night take us to a place that does not exist in this modern age for those who choose not to believe. To the statements about protecting the creature are laughable. It seems well protected as it is. Proving its existence would only further its danger. Many who do not believe now would go out to hunt the thing just to prove it to themselves and what would this do? I am glad for the fact that those who record reports of sightings are out there and I do not want to see this end, but to kill one of them or capture one for study would be a swift road to the decline of such a mysterious creature. So many in this world would pay dearly for a slain bigfoot and if it were proven to exist than professioal hunters would be out to collect. Think of the elephant or the rhino who are protected and then think of where they are today. No, I believe it is terribly wrong to try and prove bigfoots existence to the world. Ask yourself why you wish to prove such a thing, then contemplate the ramifications of this action.I say let the world believe as it will, and you and I choose to be of a greater mind. Let the mystery grow, let the creature prove its own existence if ever it will. But do not force the proof of such a fabulous mystery and destroy all that we love as open minded men and women of mystery. We are tale tellers who keep the dream alive. Whether it be an old hunter around a late night campfire or one who tells tales over the internet we keep the creature alive for those who choose to believe. It must be a choice made by yourself and no other. Remember the mysteries of the night and love them.

Posted on Feb 23, 2003, 3:10 PM
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Perry County
by Steve Preflatish
I live in Perry County....nothing going on here....a sighting last year NEAR Perry county I am still checking on....actively checking by tracking, trail timers, PSID's, game gamera's, the whole kaboodle,
NOTHING yet. Anything going on elsewhere???

Posted on Feb 8, 2003, 6:35 PM
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Nothing down here
by Dave M.
in Decatur Co. But as far as I know there never has been. I think you are in a little better area.
Keep us informed.
Dave

Posted on Feb 12, 2003, 4:19 PM
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Recient Perry Co. Sighting Posted On G.C.B.R.O.
by Simon
It appears that the sighting happened last year, but there is ongoing activity. Has anyone heard anything more about this particular incident? I think that Perry Co. could have BF activity.

Posted on Feb 1, 2003, 9:10 AM
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Perry Co.
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I have not heard of a recient sighting from Perry County,but that area has had sightings in the past.

Posted on Feb 2, 2003, 12:25 PM
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corydon
by steve
Im not sure where Perry co is but I live right next to Corydon In on the KY side.I know three people who have seen a Bigfoot in that area and I was wondering if anyone has heard of any other sightings in that area.
thanks

Posted on Mar 12, 2003, 6:05 PM
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About your Indiana map...
by littlefoot
Happy New Year!

Walt, what is the significance of the colors on your Indiana map? Does it have anything to do with sightings?

Posted on Dec 31, 2002, 8:49 AM
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time zones
by Dave M.
I think it is the 3 different time zones found here in IN

Posted on Jan 4, 2003, 9:29 AM
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Outbloodystanding
by Hardrada
I was just informed that this site existed! Wow!

My wife and I had an experience this August in Parke County. Previously I worked for the DNR in Monroe/Jackson/Brown Counties & lived on the edge of Hoosier Nat'l in Monroe County. During all of that I had a myriad of encounters myself & with others who had sightings and experiences. I was beginning to feel alone here in Indiana. This board is actually something of a comfort!!!

Question: Have there been many sightings in the last few years in the north of the state???

Posted on Dec 12, 2002, 1:13 PM
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Parke County
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I would like to hear about your Parke County encounter
please e-mail me at wallyneice@iquest.net

Posted on Dec 12, 2002, 7:26 PM
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Sure
by Hardrada
I'll send it. It's on the GCBRO board though our last trip there isn't.

Posted on Dec 12, 2002, 8:48 PM
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North Indiana?
by Simon
Do you mean north like say Laporte and Ft. Wayne, or do you mean I-70 and up? It seems that there is more activity around central Indiana to me, but Walt would know better.

WELCOME ABOARD!

Posted on Dec 14, 2002, 10:32 AM
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North.. as in..
by Hardrada
I70 & up... What all's in the central area?? I'm up by Ft. Wayne area. Though I'm over towards Miami, Fulton, Koskiusko area fairly regularly...

It's good to be here!!

Posted on Dec 15, 2002, 6:58 PM
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re north
by littlefoot
Sorry! I thought you already knew about this site, or I would have told you about it when you started posting on GCBRO...

There are BF reports in LaPorte & St. Joseph counties in northern Indiana. One is just a few miles from Notre Dame! I'm from Berrien county in Michigan. BF have been sighted in this county,Cass county & up in the Holland & Grand Rapids area. Three of the four sightings are unreported. One lady posted a classic BF experience on a paranormal message board because she thought her house was haunted! Have you checked out www.bfro.net ? Sightings from almost every state in the country are posted there, not just PNW states...

Posted on Dec 19, 2002, 3:47 PM
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I'll be d....
by Hardrada
(chuckle) I had no idea this was here (chuckle)

I've looked at the BFRO listings... doesn't seem all that up to date in a way... course I suppose we're not in the hotzone for sightings though they are here.

Notre Dame?? You sure it wasn't a.... nevermind... No ND jokes.. sorry. (grin)

Is there a posting place for the MI sightings??? Seems like every time we turn around there's more on the puzzle.

Posted on Dec 20, 2002, 10:24 AM
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Northern Indiana sightings,
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I've been checking out sightings in Northern Indiana /Michigan for awhile now and have personally checked out both locations that are listed on the BFRO website and have talked with the investigator on the cases in several occasions. The sighting from LaPorte county is pretty believable.Unfortunatly the sighting which took place "not far from Notre Dame" is very iffy. The report itself says that the lighting conditions were poor and it was foggy. Although the area is heavily wooded I would have to chalk this one up to misidentifacation.

Posted on Jan 22, 2003, 2:04 AM
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Just a note to say ...
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I have updated the (new) Internet Bigfoot Library with new links to your website and message board. To view the (new) Internet Bigfoot Library go to:

http://www.ratsnest.net/sasquatch/

Click on the link there.

George

Posted on Dec 1, 2002, 1:16 PM
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New Website
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www.indianabigfoot.com

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Nice board
by Timberghost
I'll be stopping by again...

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