i'll have to concede for practical reasons then

just because as you said, you feel certain you are right. just as i feel that you might not see what i see, there is always the very good chance you are considering a point i haven't thought of, and since you understand the language you're translating to (i really don't do gpp) then it's more likely.

however, i probably will continue to write mouse programs that ignore most of the information your loop makes available, it's easier to code the loop that way, and if people complain the mouse is not responsive, i understand how to alter the mouseinput loop. it would probably be an issue in a graphics editor for instance. anyway thanks for listening and i'll return to my experiments with qb64 ("i "+chr$(3)+" 0.79") until i have another idea. thanks for the floating mouse coordinates by the way, that was cool.