Paul Goodwin better clean his hands, cause their dirty.......and oneal i ve seen better hands on a clock

Why is anyone talking about these two underachievers. Better yet why am I writing and caring about this.

because they have rings and you dont

lets see and those rings will get them NOTHING OH sorry to let you down.

o ya and you not having one will get you something... NOT

Sorry Douche Bag I do have a ring 2004 AAA National Championship.

The First St. Louis YOUTH Championship. And yes I scored.

Sorry but if your names not phil mcrae or max barron or Tony DeHart or Kevin Bodker you didnt deserve that ring. tyler bates and carlton have one of those too and they are terrible. and just to let you know it was 2005 so obviously you didnt win

Bodker? Wow, haven't heard that name in a while how is that kid doing up in London?

o and you are where o in stl and you didnt even win a ring cuz they won in 2005

bodker plays for the farm team of London. What a waste. I wonder if the parents ever think that college would have been better for the boy. Same with dehart never plays a full season only phil plays them all.

season was 2004-2005 bird brain. baron is history never grew bodker is a bust. You didn't mention Logue Dwyer Hilgendorf Wideman. As far as carlton and bates it's not that they are no good but that their parents forced them to play and they really didn't care. In the final game when the team was sick against Shattuck it was Carlton who stepped up made a no look pass to Hilgendorf for the first goal. Bates played strong and got two assists. Also coaching staff only believed in certain kids, but these two were there when the team needed them.

Carlton didn't try out for any teaams this year and only played H S moved to a new positio defence and still lead the area in assists. Yeah the fin scored all the goals but someone had to get him the puck.

Bates well that's another story.

if the season was 04-05 then you won nationals in 05 so you obviously were not on the team. Boedker is playing for topeka in the NA Dehart played for london and mcrae led the Empire league in points not a very good league but he isnt very good anymore but he was the 2nd best kid on that team. so if your not any of these kids you didnt really deserve the ring because you should be out of st louis by now or playing for the bandits if you win a tier I national championship.

So your saying that only Mcrae deserved a ring none of the other kids had anything to do with this. What an Ass you are. larson's great play means nothing.

remember players change. Some get better Some don't some just decide that they want something else in life. I'll give you an example Genzler was on no one's radr 2002 thru 2006 now he's one of the best players in town.

Oh and Mcrae is the second leading scorer in the under 18 international tournament going on in Russia. So you really know your stuff.

the guy is wrong on most of his post.Dehart is playing for the Knights with Mcrae and plays in about half the games while Phillip plays all the time but Tony's dad doesn't own part of the team and isn't a scout for the blues. Bodeker playing for topeka is like 3 teams ago. he is a total bust as somebody else said because his old man got in the way every step of the way. nobody wants anything to do with him. and while phil broke out somewhat this year he had a horrible year last year but word is the blues will draft him anyway. many of these players deserved more credit than basil and phillip but that's how it goes some times.

phil is the best kid ever from stl you cant say hes on london cuz his dad owns the team when he had 5 points in 6games for US u18s 3rd most on the team and the kid will play in the show and basil already did so i dont think you need to talk shit on him. phil max de hart and boedker was the whole team

if your old man told every player to pass the puck to you or sit you'd be good too. last year he scored like 2 goals after about 40 games but he still played pp pk and never missed a shift. not talking shit just truth never said he wasnt good but he aint getting drafted because he is the best available he will be a blue because of his connections, deal with it.

How wrong you are. London is a business. The owners of the team the Hunter brothers Dale and Mark trade Dale's son a couple years back at the trading deadline so they could get a better player and they went on to win the cup. So don't think that their feeding Phil. He earns what he gets. Last year they had Kane and Gagne and Phil saw very little ice time on the power play.

You really shouldn't come on here and act like you know what your talking about when you couldn't even wipe the ice off Phil's skates.

If you think that either of these two Bozo's (Goodwin & Oneal)are anywhere near as good as Phil. You need to be institionalised.

puleeze. who said london isnt a business? great they traded their son. pm gets breaks that nobody else gets and if you want to deny that be my guest but it is happening and people know it. little ice time on the pp? riiiiight!

i would be glad to wipe the ice off his skates if he needs the help.

and who said anything about these two being better than phil?

you are delusional
have a great life

you should be glad to wipe his skates off cuz hes so good. he didnt get breaks cuz his dad the only thing he got a break from his dad was being able to be coached by him. Do you really think he got 5 points in 6games for the US u18 team(third only to 2 people with 6) beacuase his dad owns london cuz that makes no sense. he is gonna go 2nd or 3rd round not because of connections if the blues dont draft him someone else will, the Central scouting service are the people who have him ranked that high not the blues.

Hey fuck heads, who said he wasn't any good?

what you fail to realize is that he got good because of all the things his dad did for him over the years including now while he is in london. try not to read more in to this than is being said. kid is good but without his old man working every angle including moving back to canada to be sure he can watch over his investment, i mean son, this kid would not be as good as you think he is and in no way would be going to the show.

OMG can you understand that this was the life mission of bas since phil was about 6 years old?

and last year nobody would have gotten anywhere near the chances pm got if it wasnt for his dad. and that doesnt mean he sucks, it is what it is.

Let's just be happy he's gone and that we don't have to deal with the a-hole any longer.

yeah basil taught him how to play hockey but he also taught all the other kids and they arent in london other then dehart. Phil is a great hockey player and will play in the show. Are you calling phil an ass hole your a joke

Yes Basil did things for Phil to get him where he is, but there isn't a kid that Basil has coached that he hasn't helped. All you had to do was tell him you wanted to do this or that and he was on the phone. I know this for a fact and can name a dozen kids at least that he has done this for. Also I know of one instant where he got a call from a coach who said he needed some players for a team and instead of giving the usual names he gave him the names of some kids who at that time weren't getting recognised as much as Basil thought they should.

That is so sweet and nice of him, I feel so much better now.

Golly gee guys, grow up and recognize that Phil being good and Basil doing everything he can to make it happen aren't mutually exclusive.

Basil had to have good players for his son to play with, his kid couldn't possibly do everything that came down the pike so sure he gave some names out but that hardly erases the fact that the agenda was Phillip, Phillip and Phillip.

For every nicety you can recall there were lots of other ruthless tactics to be sure Phil got what Basil thought he needed. Not a criticism, unless that kind of behaviour bothers you, just an observation many people have around here.

What do you want to bet if Phil is drafted Bas is the Agent and moves to the city he plays? Any takers?

Of course that is the way it goes. If you think any coach with a kid on the team cares more about the team than he does about his own kid, you must be completely nuts and not a parent.

1) How many times in clutch situations do you see a coach put his kid in even though there are better alternatives.
2) Look at the select camp teams, evaluators picking their own kids who completey are undeserving. A few of the picks are a farce.
3) Coaches giving their kid the C or A when they don't deserve it.

Watching Philip play I think he is a heck of a player. He happened to be good enough to deserve what he got. Most coaches kids are not.

Phil didnt even start on the AAA team why did zuke have the AAA team if basil can get phil drafted he certianly can get the st louis AAA team. they didnt give it to him til they were runners up in nationals the year before. Basil doesnt have that much influence just because he played in the NHL doesnt give him power he wasnt even a star and big al was and he cant get his team onto the CS team. Phil is where he is because he is a great player, always worked hard, was well coached and was pushed to be great.

haha "and yes i scored". very cute. did you mom kiss you when you came out of the locker room?

what does any of this have to do with the original post?

paul rodney and dolan are joining dolans brother at wisconsin next year

what cowards to take shots at Mr McRae, the guy did and still is doing more than you will ver do for St Louis kids, you are spineless

you are!

4:09 Mike Zuke had the 90 AAA team b/c he had coached his older boy(Matt)in AAA. When Paul became old enough to play AAA Mike knew he wasn't good enough to make it on his own so he asked the AAA board if he could have that team. Basil also asked for the team, he had been coaching the chesterfield Central States Team. The Board out of loyalty went with Zuke.

Before I go any further both are great coaches just different ideas.

Basil went along with that. The unfortunate thing here was that Basil's kids wanted Basil. So that team (AAA) didn't have the best kids on it. But they still won their league. The next year they were going to co-Coach the team. The idea was for Basil to bring the better kids from his team and the 4-5 best player from Zukes team. Mike had the final say on the team and he didn't pick the best players. They both agreed on about 9-10 players. But were at odds on certain kids. (not going to mention names) So Basil seeing where this was going went back to Central States. Basil then entered his team in most of the same tournaments that AAA was going to play in. His team won 2-3 of them AAA never made past the semi's.


The next year Zuke seeing the handwriting on the wall started his own team. With the leftovers that didn't go to Basil. And as they say the rest is history.

yawn.

Why not say the names. Zuke wanted to keep Garlick and have him coach and Basil said f no. When Zuke wouldn't budge Mcrae took his followers and crawled back to chesty. The next year Zuke was voted off the island so he and Garlick started their own team and lobbied to enter the same league. First game was close, don't remember the score but I do remember the next two were quite ugly. I think one of them ended up 19-1 or something like that.

garlic wasn't the only one. basil felt that only carey carlton wideman and draper belonged at that level. first game was close the aaa team just came back from winning the london tournament got in on sunday night late they played on monday night tired bored didn't care. zuke and garlic made such a big deal out of how close they were to aaa that the kids and basil swore it wouldn't even be close. when it came time at the end of the seaon for the league playoffs first round game in chicago was zuke vs basil zuke forfeited and didn't go. In fact if i remember correctly basil didn't even coach the last league game. he went to his daughters game.

I thought the first game ended tied 6-6 but maybe I am wrong about that. You are correct about the Monday game as there was a reason but it escaped me why the game would have been close. Was I right about about the 19-1 score? that sticks out in my mind as the score of the second game.

This just illustrates to me again how people always say there is so much talent at a birth year that we need to have an additional AAA team but if the 90's didn't have enough how could almost any other year, including the Cavs team this year, justifiably say there is enough talent to compete at the highest levels?

AAA won but it was like 6-4 AAA played back up goalie. Zuke passed on some of the kids he had on his AAA team and others didn't want to play for him so he really didn't have the next best kids.

Phil is not the best player from STL, no question it is Paul Stasny. Phil went from a 1st round pick to a 4th round pick when he left for London. Basil outsmarted himself.

and ole wise man how did he do that. Please tell us and what's wrong with being a 4th round pick no oneelse this year from stl will get drafted not even o'neal

The kids zuke wanted over the kids basil wanted have gone further than MOST of the kids basil wanted, is that saying anything ??

Like who?

What a laugh you must mean Garlic Devine Goodwin Frazetta Clemmens. And just where are they going.

your a joke

You're the one that said that Zuke's kid were going farther and I'm the joke. I'm just asking you to back up your statement.

2 of them went further than carlton and draper-but remeber wideman started with zuke

uh, maybe b/c Zuke had the AAA 90 team b4 Bas did?

shut it tool

wich two went farther than Carlton and Draper.

Carton had enough untill then he played AAA and Draper is in Toronto at the midget major tourney.

all fags

Carlton is playing some pro roller hockey or something. Not my idea of 'pro', but i hear you get a whopping 1000 dollars if your team wins!! WOW!! ok it might not be 1000, but you get the sarcasm in that statement.

and how much did you get?

If you asked me. All these players would be better served if they worried about an education first.

yes

you cant compare these two both are very good and could go in the draft this year

which two
o'neil and goodwin or
carlton and draper
b/c none of the four were drafted.

and i'll take carlton and draper anytime over those two.

il take goodwin oneil

ill take o'neal goodwin for sure and the draft hasnt happened its june 20th and 21st and they have a shot to go in the late rounds

you guys are all faggots

who

Work on your tans. Chase some tail. Work on the beach muscles. It's pretty much over for all four.

oneal is expected to go late in the 7th round of the draft. and goodwin is expected top play for the US in the next world juniors

I agree with 117. the fat lady is warming up for those four. but I'd take carlton draper over goodwin and o'neil They (C & D) have won a national title at a higher level. both were important players in the final game. And in 9 tries over the last 3 years the only time SCW beat P-ville was when carlton wasn't their or when they had to play a c- team goalie. carlton wiped his ass with oneil. In fact it was after carlton had an 8 point night against o'neal that they started calling him the King of North county.

"The King of North County"....who wants it anyway. If something happened to my financial situation and I had to move to north county, I would shoot myself in the head.

I've seen all four of them play with their high school teams and their other teams and they are all dime a dozen players. Nothing special in the big world of hockey.

Paul Goodwin is going to be playing with himself

oneal was invited to the draft combine

cool they won a tier 1 national title they had mcrae on their team. CBC coulda won a tier 1 title if mcrae still went there

Mcrae is a great player but Mcrae didn't score in the last 3 games of the tournament. It was Freund Carlton Draper Hilgendorf and the defense that stepped up. The other teams focused only on Mcrae Logue Barron thus proving this team wasn't a one or two man show.

McRae overrated then and still overrated now. Not saying he ain't good, just overrated.

overrated how? He'll be 4-6 round pick. What's your criteria for being overrated.

Regular Season
# Player GP G A PTS +/- PIM PPG SHG PPG PIMPG
90 McRae, Philip 66 18 28 46 -5 61 7 0 0.70 0.92

Playoffs
90 McRae, Philip 4 0 0 0 0 7 0 0 0.00 1.75

From reading recent mocks Ive seen him goin anywhere in the 2nd round, dont see how he can be overrated.

4;17 on 6/4: speaking of Logue, what has he been doing since moving to Massachusetts? speaking of Barron, oh-never mind

Name recognition and contacts, being drafted is an awesome accomplishment for sure. Still he is over rated, only time will tell. Lots of players get drafted each year even though most never do.

This is like when Basil moved to London to take that scouting job for the Blues, what a great scout he must be for the Blues to have hired him, right?

Logue is going to USHL this year

logue was in the EJHL last year

mcrae is not even close to overrated he'll be playing in the NHL by the time he's 21