He is so good if CCP had him they would have won and same with AAA they would have beat TI and been in the finals against shauttuck

He cannot even skate at culver what are you talking about. Tony stay off the computer.

he is so sick he would have put up triple digits if he played for CCP this year and his dad is such a good coach

top 3 no way what 2 players can you put ahead of him

He is slow and can't play anymore.

what! if he stayed and played for CCP he would have put up 110 points got gensler in the 80s and won state with a 6 point game

Just ask him how many points he had this past year. Maybe that would give you an answer to your stupid statement.

his dad thinks he knows everything. an idiot
could win with the teams he has coached. the
kid is a pretty good player, just leave dad
at home.

maybe you should have coached if an idiot could have done better, you would have been perfect

Ooooo, sounds like someome likes steve. the fact
is, anyone could coach the teams he's had and won
with, even you. you don't get to far in coaching
with a know-it-all attitude.

What has he won as a coach?

nothing really. maybe a few league championships
here and there, abut nothing like a district or
national title.

Appharently NOT alot of appreciation for all the time he has put into St. Louis Hockey. You must be one of the many parents that does nothing and then complains all the time. He is a great coach and my son can play for him anytime.

he is an ok coach, not a great coach. there are
hundreds of ok coaches out there, and they all
deserve our appreciation. he just isn't a top
level coach. i'm glad your son would play for
him anytime, good for you. he would be best fit
for coaching a level and below.

10:39 If anyone could have won with the teams he has coached then explain what happened to the U16'S and the U18's this year. Most all of the same players as last year. If you look at the better players on both teams you will see they came from the team SG coached at the U16 level. Not taking away anything from the coaches this year, they did a great job. It is a thankless job and I think we should appreciate anyone who takes on the task, especially when your working with boys in that age group. Why don't you put yourself in to coach then you can see what it takes!!

as is N54 standard nobody will sign their name due to being too closely associated with this site.

Steve actually is a good coach. problem is most people tend to view things from their own narrow viewpoint which usually revolves around their own child. as a coach Steve would be no different and from what i hear wasnt.

my child also played for steve a while ago and he did an outstanding job. there wasnt so much anything that was awesome but rather he did all the little things you hope to get out of a coach. we appreciated his efforts and while i dont wish to sign my name my boy would have played for him again for sure.

My son played for Steve when he coached the AAA u 16's. We had heard a lot of stories about him and Tony and we were concerned. The first few month he rolled the lines Played different kids on the power play and we were winning. Sometime in November when we started going to the big name tournaments it did become all about Tony. Kids would make a mistake and Steve would yell and scream at them and then sit them. Tony could make the same mistake and never be taken off the ice. And of course our record went down the tubes. Our best line was at the time was Hutton Giacin and Genzler. Then Hutton scored some goals and he was taken off that line. (no he wasn't trying to get scoring out of another line)
Then Genzler started scoring and so he too was moved and Hutton brought back to play with Tony. He also didn't reunite them on the power play either for the longest time. Please don't someone come on here and say Jeff Henry ran the forwards. Jeff was a joke at best, someone Steve could control that's why he was the assistant coach. If he was so great why didn't he coach at a high level again after that year.

I personally think Steve is a good coach but I think my son made the best comment to sum it all up when he said. Dad Coach Giacin is almost as good as Basil the difference is that Basil treated Phil like everyone else and most of the time worse.

you had me until the syrupy shit about phil being treated so harshly. not buying that for a minute.

told ya. its all about his son. a good
coach doesn't do that. you people that think
differently need your head examined, if you
can get it away from kissing steves ass long enough.

After reading some of these comments It makes you wonder why anyone would want to coach. Most youth teams at any sport are parent coached. If you are a parent coach then YES you are doing it for your son or daughter, why else would you put all that time and energy into coaching and then on top of it listen to parents who do NOTHING complain. Though you do it for your kid you hope that you help others along the way. If you ask the kids who have a parent coaching they will tell you that their parent is hardest on them. I know for a fact that Steve has always been hard on both his kids as a coach. If you have such a problem with him why don't you talk with him instead of coming on here and bad mouthing someone who spent alot of time helping your KID.

That's the point the only kid he helped was his own that's why the criticism. I understand that if your a father coach you favor your kid a little bit but this was extreme.

exactly. no one is saying hes a bad guy
or anything. just shouldn't be coaching at
the levels hes been at, especially with his
own kid on the team, which is the reason he
has gotten most of the teams hes coached.
would be a good a/b level coach.

Why was this ever started. Who ever started this really has some issues that maybe a counselor could help with. Steve is an excellant coach and better than most anyone in this area. Steve and Jeff did a great job with that team. Noone controlled anyone they simpley worked well together with the same thoughts on how a team should be run. My kid learned a lot from both. I think they would have done a great job at the major level and for sure at any level below. No coach has ever won a Championship at the Major or Minor level tier one. So i guess all those coaches were a b level coaches as well right. Look get some help. If you need to rehash things from 06-07 you really have a problem.

I think you got it wrong. Steve is a good coach he just did not know how to separate coaching from doing something for his son. He put him in all the best situations so he could shine. The problem was he did not always do what was best for the team and more often looked at was was good for his son. The problem with all that was when Tony went on his own it all fell apart. He was alone, he found a female, hockey was not front and center playing time went down, points for the season minimal at best, just a bad season. Hopefully all goes well this year but you have to believe that CCP offered as good of an education, AAA hockey would have given him more ice time, Steve could have stayed on top of Tony and things could have been better.

It started by some kid saying Giacin would have made all the difference in the world to stl hockey and the facts are he wouldn't have made one difference. Most likely started by tg himself.

As to JH he knows nothing about hockey other than what sg told him. Frankly he couldn't even skate.

steve and tony are the best father son coach player combo from stl other than basil and phil and thats a close race

if cfield had giacin. oh my god just think what they could've done

everett giacin bunjan
best line in csdhl

while all of you are kissing steves ass, you
might as well move around to the front and take care of
that for him too. give me a freaking break people.

Why is everyone bashing the Giacins. Seriously this is all old news. Tony doesn't even live here anymore. He doesn't affect St. Louis hockey in any way. Please drop it. He is a good kid and good family. MOVE ON!!!!! If you want to bash someone, why not bash a St. Louis kid like everyone else.

Were bashing a stl dad

you're bashing a stl dad whos son doesn't play for any stl team. If you have a problem with Steve then call him and tell him otherwise move on.

If you don't want to be bashed you should not start threads about YOURSELF!!!

If TG started this thread, he deserves whatever gets said about him

These are not little kids, they are supposed to be young adults and need to take responsibility for their actions

You said it IF TG started this thread. That is a big IF. We all know that not to many people start threads about themselves. It is others trying to stir up dirt. I'm sure TG has other things to do besides talk shit on himself. COME ON GET REAL! If you believe it or not, TG is better than that and he has moved on from STL.

Thanks TG

Tony is away at a great school that keeps him way to busy for this crap. No way he would have started this. Just another jealous idiot trying to stir up crap. Get a life.

The only problem is it was posted on the weekend. He started it.

11:04 you said "If TG started this thread, he deserves whatever gets said about him" what if he didn't? then does he deserve it?

anyone could have started it hes a great player

Thanks Steve, I'm sure your son
knows how you feel about him.

yes he does, but I' m more concerned about your son right now. Heopefully some one can save him before he ends up like you.

Award winning post right there. No way any comeback will compete.

Amen to that!!!!

Steve why weren't you concerned when you coached him.

steve may not be much of a coach, but
I'm sure he can spell "hopefully"

hopefully

Look at all these jealous people. TG, keep represnting stl proudly so the tools can have something to write. Maybe some day, they be fortunate enough to get to where you are.

Once again, well said steve.

lets sum it up like this it was a bad decision to send tg on to culver. ccp offered as good of and education and he could have been a star at ccp hockey and at least a 2nd liner on aaa MM. What he got was a good education, a female to keep him occupied, and less hockey he has ever played in his life. Now maybe he liked that so good for them. GREAT DECISION.

CCP is a good (or great) school, but if you really think it (or any stl school) is as acclaimed as Culver, then you’re out of touch.

In Culver you are talking about a school that has notable alumni such as George Steinbrenner, Bud Adams, Bill Koch, the Huffington's, senator Lugar and several other dignitaries (you wont recognize)as alumni; a $138 million endowment; has students from over 40 states and 20 plus countries; has facilities including a golf course, airport, horse riding facility, a performing arts theater, 2 ice rinks, numerous other athletic facilities, and an overall campus sitting on a lake with that many colleges would love to have while not even mentioning the academic facilities; and a hockey tradition that includes NHLer's such as Gary Suter, Kevin Dean, Barry Richter, John-Michael Liles, Ryan Suter, Mike Farrell, and Aris Brimanis and has produced more division I players than all stl combined has ever produced.

Yeah, your right, the schools and teams locally appear to be about the same……

If you think that throwing all those names out mean anything then you are sadly mistaken. The school does not make the man the man makes himself and the point is staying in STL would not have hurt TG. CCP is a fine school just like SLUH and Desmet and many a great persons have gone on to great schools as well. Hockey in STL is very good and many players are moving on to DIV I so what is the point. Look at how many kids play ushl and Div I versus recent culver players on rosters. Point is stl is not bad and frankly playing time is extremely important.

thanks wayne g

You are looking dumber and dumber every time you post. CCP good school yes, on par with Culver nice try. TG would have had more playing time at Culver if not for the 19 seniors they had. Even with that many seniors he still played most all the games and was a great help on the PP. Culver dominated the BLues at the end of the season from what the score looked like and after hearing some of the kids talk it wasnt close. I think when a kid gets away from his familiar settings it helps them figure out what they really want and focus on those things. Culver has no politics and you earn your time. Thats why they have two teams. Lets see what happens this up coming year.

Steve, thanks for reading us the
brochures from Culver.

9:52, you are correct when you say, "The school does not make the man the man makes himself." This motto is excatly what Culver is based on and the fact is, young men who want to make the most out of themselves, go to Culver.

What is happening isn stl is great, but you can't compare anything in stl to Culver.

The real question is was this Tony's or Steve's decision to go to Culver.
Also if there were 19 seniors on the team then his playing time was diminished compared to what he could of had at CCP and possibly AAA.
I did not here this from Sanderson but I did here this from a pretty reliable source who said TG may not have made AAA and if he did would of not had as much playing time as many think.

Also it is amazing how many people have negative things to say about the Giacins. It seems to be running 50-50 right now.

I'm wondering if there's smoke there's fire.

Huh? What is your point?

As for Sanderson possibly not taking TG, anything is possible because he didnt take Hutton and look how stupid that was. The fact is is that TG could have helped the Majors quite a bit. THe team had some grit and speed but very few finishers. Tg is a finisher and would have put up great numbers. But he is where he is because he wants something other than a story of how he played in the NAHL or USHL or whatever. SO many kids go that route because they dont have much else, but after you graduate from Culver your contacts are endless and when you graduate from a school like that with a high gpa you go to any college you want and most likely end up employing most of the ex NAHLers.

I don't disagree with any point you make and actually I think TG would be a better player if dad isn't coaching him. I think another coach will push him and make him give an all out effort. He knew with dad he would always be in the limelite.

most of the kids who play hockey in college dont own there own business so i dont think they employ anyone and to play college at the dI level after graduating from culver you have to play on their a team tony is a joke. Sanderson made the right choice they lost to the team that lost in the finals

Why isn't Tony on Prospects?

I just disagree with most of you. Tony did not make this decision and the parents know that. He played very little ahd his stats prove that out. He has a girlfriend and most certainly it caused his lack of production over the year. Most likely lack of production next year.

Now why no one can believe that CCP would have provided a quality education is beyond me. He is a good kid but he is not a great hockey player any longer. His day lack of dogging him haslost his desire. He is done and his dad should figure that out. If he hasn't he will figure it out this year. IT IS over for Tony.

That was my point going to Culver was not Tony's decision. It was Steve's. That's why CCP would of been better for him.

This guy REALLY does not like SG. Perhaps it jealousy that he could not raise a son as good as TG.

Whatever his hang up is, if he was even remotely familiar with Culver he'd know that what TG accomplished there this season should not be looked at as a disappointment but as a testament to how good the talent at Culver is. Anyone familiar with Culver, will tell you playing for their Varsity B during your junior year is nothing to be offended by. The level of talent that Culver has, blows away the talent playing on the local MM AAA and CSDHL teams. A player getting any ice time with their Varsity A prior to his senior season is in great postion to move on to a top notch college program and still has an outside chance at getting looked at by D1 schools.

Say all you want about the playing time a kid gets during a game. At at Culver, as should be the case everywhere, player development occurs more in practices. Due to the amazing practices the Culver coaches run (2 hours a day, 4 days a week) and the high level of competion at amoungst the players, this is where the development occurs and TG will only benefit from it during his senior season.

Agree.

hes not on prospects because thats a team for good players

I am not on it because stl screwed me.

fuck tony giacin, he's a burn out

no, fuck you buddy, I couldn't blame anybody for leaving st louis based on what you read out here, you people are so pathetic, and the worst part is you are most likely adults.

Why are we beating a dead horse.

The kid is gone now and Dad is no longer involved in STL hockey.

The kid was an above average player in STL before he left, other 90's have caught up and are just as good, some better.

Who cares if he plays or pulls splinters at Culver??? Again, people bashing because someone chose to go a different route than the status quo in our little hockey world.

For those who don't care for him or the family you really don't need to worry about it, he's gone and will be just another blip on the STL hockey map. Let it go..

For the lovers, well, to each his own...

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