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July 2 2014 at 12:57 AM
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Lem Valon Strait?  (no login)

 
The name 'Lem Valon Strait' is used in an account of the sinking of the submarine USS Grenadier at the 'top' of the Malacca Strait. A Google Earth search currently turns up nothing. Does anyone know where this strait may be (i.e. between which islands) and / or if it was renamed or also known as something else?

Any help appreciated.

 
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Nelson
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Re: Lem Valon Strait

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July 2 2014, 1:59 PM 

I come up with nada as well, using both L-e-m and L-e-r-n, which combinations can be virtually indistinguishable when put to type. My only suggestion is a good and thorough gazetteer, and from what has already been implied, as old a one as you can find.

Nelson

 
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Jacques
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Try "Lem Voalan"

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July 2 2014, 6:15 PM 

Lem Voalan appears to be at the southern end of the Phuket peninsula in Thailand. The strait that USS GRENADIER(SS-210) patrolled is thus between the peninsula and Bon Island to the East, in the gulf of Phuket.

http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/name.php?uni=-4622891&fid=6110&c=thailand#MAP

USS GRENADIER was scuttled in the broad Malacca Strait, about halfway between Phuket and Banda Aceh at the top end of Sumatra, in position 6° 30N and 97° 39E. (according to wrecksite.eu)

Regards,

Jacques


 
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KevinD
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Re: Try "Lem Voalan"

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July 3 2014, 4:45 AM 

Thanks Jacques!

My question arose from the following quote by the skipper, Lt. Cmdr. Fitzgerald, excerpted from the book Presumed Lost (by Stephen Moore); "I noticed, coming from the northwest out of Lem Valon Strait, a ship which at the time appeared to me to be a large destroyer or small cruiser. Shortly thereafter I noticed smoke from a patrol or escort vessel to the southeast."

His surfaced boat was already so badly damaged (inc. no propulsion) from the previous days engagements that they could not fight back, so scuttled the boat / abandoned ship as the Jap ships approached closer.

If the above quote is correct then it would put the sunken sub to the southeast and closer to Phuket in what would appear to be shallower water than where she supposedly sank (approx 90m / 300ft and well to the southwest of Phuket).

PS. As for the pos given on the Wrecksite website, we searched in that area some years ago and she ain't there, or at least we didnt find her. sad.gif

 
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Jerry
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USS Grenadier SS210

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August 14 2016, 1:36 AM 

My father was a crewmember of the Grenadier when it was lost. I have an old map (1942) with possible clues to location. They were going to try and get near the "Pilgrim" Islands. There are several islands SW of Phuket and I believe one is the Pilgrim Island. They scuttled in about 300'. The map I have has depths listed in fathoms and the areas marked are the approximate depth. I have talked to several crewmembers and some of them talked about that day. It was my father's birthday when they were attacked.

 
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KevinD
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Map / chart

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August 14 2016, 8:07 AM 

Hi Jerry,

Thanks for your post. You 'map' sounds very interesting. How big is your map (chart?) and is there any way I could get a copy of same? Assume (which can be a dangerous approach in any field at times I realise) your are in the US of A?

Kevin Denlay

 
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