A variety of the nuts who claim Obama is not a natural born citizen under the Constitution have been meeting in their trailer parks and self designating themselves as "citizen grand juries."  They then claim to issue "indictments" against Obama. 

From the beginning I've been saying that these clowns are ignorant of the law and the very nature of grand juries.  Some of them have been quite hostile in their response and have made attacks on my knowledge of the law.  Now a Federal Court has ruled on the matter.  Guess who the court sides with?

You can read the decision here:  https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2009mc0346-2

In relevant part it states:

"althought presentments are constitutionally permitted, there is no authority under the Rules of Criminal Procedure or in the statutes of the United States for this court to accept one [citations]. 

"Futhermore grand juries are convned by courts for the district in which they sit.  See Fed. R. Crim. P. 6(a)(1).  Grand jurors are also to be selected at random from a fair cross section of the district in which they are convened.  18 U.S.C. 1861.  The individuals who have made this presentment were not convened by this Court to sit as a grand jury nor have they been selected at random from a fair cross section of the district.  Any self-styled indictment or presentment issued by such a group has no force under the Constitution or laws of the United States."

Has Obama produced his certificate of life birth or hospital records ? I know that the State of Hawaii has provided it's own birth certificate for him (like I can get from the Indiana vital records office) but it seems to me if Obama wanted to end the questions once and for all he would produce the base document, which is the birth certficate published by the hospital at the time of his birth, a copy of which is generally kept on file in the county in which the birth occured. You know, the one like most Americans have that often has their feet prints on them and are signed by the attending physician and stating location and time of birth?

I am not saying that Obama is not a natural born citizen of the US, but I am saying that for what ever reason he is NOT providing the documentation that would put conjector to rest for all time. He has refuesed access to so many other documents, such as his health records, academic applications and records, etc that may provide strong evidence that he is a natural born citizen of the United States that I am unwilling to call anyone that questions citizenship status, as nuts, or crazy.

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Obama has produced a document that by law is self authenticating prima proof of his birth in Hawaii. The document he has produced is, by law, equal in proof to the long form birth certificate harped upon by some.

Further, the issue would not go away if that long form birth certificate were produced. Obama has produced a document that by law is sufficient and produced the Republican Administration in the State of Hawaii confirming the authenticity of that document. These people still have not given up. If the long form birth certificate were produced they would just claim it was forged, or whatever. They are of a class of people where facts and the truth do not matter.


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You want to conjecture why Obama has provided NOTHING else to back his state produced certificate? Why his medical and academic records and applications are sealed?

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1. What he has provided is by law more than sufficient.

2. He has provided more. He has provided statements vouching for the authenticity of COLB by officials from Hawaii's Vital Records Department in a Republican Administration.

3. Yet further corroborating evidence has been provided by contemporaneous news reports of his birth in Hawaii.

4. No credible evidence against his birth in Hawaii has been forthcoming. Those attacking his eligibility are not credible and have engaged in a series of contemptible lies about the facts and misrepresentations of the law. "Birther" heroes like Andy Martin and Phillip Berg have along history of frivolous and abusive lawsuits.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/594658/thread/1224631342/A+Legal+Analysis+of+%26quot%3BObama+Is+Not+a+Citizen%26quot%3B+Lawsuit-

As for his school records, I don't know. What I do know is that they are utterly irrelevant to any evaluation of Obama's Constitutional qualifications. Certainly, every American citizen can set whatever criteria for supporting a candidate they desire. If any citizen feels Obama has not been sufficiently open with any of his records they can vote against him on that basis.

But we had that election in November, and it appears not enough people felt strongly enough about that to prevent his election. His school records may once become relevant as people decide the candidate of their choice for the next election. But as a legal issue to challenge his election they are utterly irrelevant and using them as a basis to challenge his election is a frivolous abuse of our legal system. Such efforts should be dealt with harshly by the courts.



"A man never drinks anything that a plant lives in" --DBone (A Real Man).
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