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Rush Limbaugh Births Conservative Myth.

March 24 2013 at 11:59 AM
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On November 7, 2012 Rush Limbaugh birthed a conservative myth that is still making the rounds. The myth is that Republicans "stayed home" for the 2012 election because true conservatives rejected an overly moderate Romney. In support of this myth Limbaugh claimed that "Romney received two and a half million fewer votes than McCain did." The point of this assertion is to claim that the Republicans would have beat Obama had they only nominated someone more conservative than Romney. It's an anti-RINO argument. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/11/07/in_a_nation_of_children_santa_claus_wins

Once Limbaugh said it an avalanche of conservative dittohead bloggers and online websites Rushed to it. Leaping strong kudos on Rush for first noticing this, The American Spectator gushingly declared "McCain Beats Romney" in its online magazine. The American Spectator fleshed out the figures some more and it ran from blog to blog from there.http://spectator.org/archives/2012/11/09/mccain-beats-romney

The American Spectator also claimed that Obama received 9 million fewer votes than he did in 2008.

The only problem is that it is all wrong. More dishonest BS from Limbaugh and The American Spectator that compared incomplete vote totals in 2012 with complete vote totals in 2008. When they reported this stuff there were still millions of votes to be counted. When the completed numbers for both elections are considered the actual results turn Limbaugh's claims on their head. Here are the actual completed numbers for the two Presidential elections.

2008 McCain: 59,948,323 popular votes, 45.7%
2012 Romney: 60,931,767 popular votes, 47.2%

Romney got nearly a million more popular votes than McCain and beat McCain in percentages by 1.5%. In short, Romney outperformed McCain, getting more votes than McCain did even in an election where less total votes were cast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_Presidential_Election

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_united_states_presidential_election

Obama did get fewer votes in 2012 than he did in 2008, there was a lower voter turnout in 2012. However, the The American Spectator's claim that Obama received 9 million less is yet another flat out deception relying on incomplete vote totals for the later election. Obama received nearly 66 million votes in 2012, not the about 60 million claimed by The American Spectator. That was about 3 million less than he received in 2008, not 9 million less as claimed in by The American Spectator.

"The world is a mess and I just need to rule it." --Dr. Horrible.


    
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March 24 2013, 4:57 PM 

Rush does more damage to conservative Republicans then to Democrats

 
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March 25 2013, 4:20 AM 

Wikipedia is your source for this? Wikipedia is very suspect as it is a free contributor type encyclopedia where anyone can posture as an authority. Using Wikipedia as a rebuttal to The American Spectator is laughable.

p.s. We have had a very cold early spring. How's your global warming cult these days?

 
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March 25 2013, 6:15 AM 

Underzog, I realize that making allegations by insinuations with such smears is much easier than actual research, however, the Wiki article provides footnotes with links to it source for those numbers. In this case those sources are the official results for the election compiled by the Federal Elections Commission and accepted by the joint House/Senate committee set up to validate the election results. You can read that report here. http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2008/federalelections2008.pdf


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March 25 2013, 11:24 AM 

Actually UNDER all you need to do is Google election results and find dozens of sites of all political points of view that prove Rush the chubby lush is full of BS. The "World Almanac" provides election results from official state records from elections back to 1900.

By the way Global warming is happening and this weeks weather forecast has nothing to do with climate change. By the way where I live there has been an unusually snow free winter. It's clear you don't understand "CLIMATE" or you'd realize that it's more complicated then just a straight line of warming every month. Ice fields melt and cool the ocean causing temporary cool currents. If it's not happening explain the shrink ice at the poles & Glaciers

 
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March 25 2013, 12:30 PM 

Good post, Keith, and IMHO all the more reason for resurrecting Fairness Doctrine to counter balance today's 24/7 neoconservtive/fascist agitation propaganda. However, I do believe a substantial number of votes against McCain were votes against Palin in 2008. IMO the Republicans, if ever they wish to regain the White House, will have to run a Jon Huntsman clone. Right now neoconservative/PNAC advocate Jeb Bush, carrying quite a lot of suppressed baggage accumulated over his years in FL, seems to be potential candidate du jour, which is a another serious GOP mistake.

 
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March 25 2013, 6:15 PM 

No Hedsup, the proper "Fairness Doctrine" is people like me calling BS on BS, proving it, and that undermining the credibility of deceivers.

Funny how you don't see how your being wrong undermines your own credibility, tornadoes, earthquakes, and all that.


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March 25 2013, 8:10 PM 

Besides every nitwit in the world is on the internet promoting various crackpot ideas and there is no way to have fairness on the net.

 
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March 25 2013, 8:49 PM 

Keith, your pathological obsession with denigrating whoever demonstrates they're smarter and better informed than you and challenges your fixations, via every dishonest, fallacious debate tactic in the book, does not change reality. Before you post more absurd derogation that smacks of shallow stupidity, find out what Fairness Doctrine means and does.

 
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March 26 2013, 3:28 AM 

Let's see Hedsup, you distrust the government, think it's an evil entity bent on world domination, and yet you want to give it more power over political discussion in this country. Sorry, that's just nuts.

Free speech is messy. It allows demagogues and blowhards like Limbaugh, and you.


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March 26 2013, 12:30 PM 

Ease up Keith. It's tuff when you juggle dozens of disaster scenarios

 
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