Debate - Coy CupDecember 14 2010 at 8:45 AM
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|Lou (Login LouisSutton)|
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With some of the chatter on here suggesting that playoff travel and their costs this year may cause some teams to break the bank or simply opt out of attending the Coy if they make it.
My question to all of you out there, would having the Coy Cup in a permanent centralized location be the answer?
I Don't See How This Would HelpNo score for this post
|December 14 2010, 10:41 AM |
Moving the Coy Cup to a permanent location, in my opinion, does nothing to help alleviate the cost of travel. In fact, it probably makes things worse. For starters, what would be considered central? Because the reality is nothing is really central. Moving the Cup around means that in some years travel costs can be greatly reduced. For example, if Kitimat (or Terrace) end up qualifying for the tournament this year, the cost of travel will pale in comparisson to last year's trek to Powell River.
Second, and probably a bigger issue, is that in moving the Coy Cup to a permanent location would have to involve the removal of the host spot in the tournament (which may alleviate the sore point involving who gets invited to the Coy Cup). By removing the Host spot, and the possibility of no home team at the tournament makes ticket sales difficult. How many people in Kelowna (just an example) would show up to see a Senoir AA tournament featuring the likes of Rupert, Powell River, Kitimat and Williams Lake?
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|December 14 2010, 5:21 PM |
Possibly by having a winner from the Interior or NC playing off and winner of coast and OK playing off which may happen down the road, the winners meet in a best of 3 or 5 on alternating years at one of these areas
As it stands Prince Rupert by applying to host will pay I believe $1000 a day to each team while in hotels there and pay mileage for these teams..With 3 teams from CIHL competing and one from the Coast, the expenses are not near that amount as travelling to Powell River or Sunshine Coast
Host teams can make money at tournament format if organized and promoted to which I believe Prince Rupert is doing or they would have never applied to host
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|December 14 2010, 10:04 PM |
Im not 100% sure if im correct on how teams qualify from outside the CIHL for the COY CUP but if i am correct i dont see how thats fair to the 9 teams that battle ( Oct.- Feb.) for 2 spots in a four team tourney with the host being Rupert in it already.... That leaves only 1 spot available to the winner of the playoffs, Rupert may win playoffs so it will obv be the runner-up to them.. How does the island get 2 teams qualifying for that tourney when there is only 2-3 teams in the entire south playing at the AA level, doesnt seem fair to us in the CIHL does it? Correct me if im wrong....
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|December 15 2010, 2:09 PM |
Never listen to all the chatter you hear directed towards the south teams.When the new rep came onboard for BC Hockey, he had it changed almost immediately for this year.The CIHL will have 3 teams at the Coy Cup and South one team
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Re: your correctNo score for this post
|December 15 2010, 5:11 PM |
Well I hope you know what your talking about... It would be silly any other way with the way the competing teams are laid out this year.
As for the Coy debate, a permanent location would never flourish. While a great tournament, the Coy Cup would lose it's lustre quickly in any community after a few seasons. The financial commitment would also be impossible to live up to if the home town team wasn't in the tournament and no team is good enough to guarantee a high enough level of competitiveness every year to deserve to be a host team every season.
The real problems with the Coy Cup are financial issues and qualifying issues. How we decided what zones send what amount of teams is something that needs to be re-examined every season taking into account how many teams compete in those zones and what zone has a host spot already. Currently 2 CIHL teams should go as qualifiers and 1 south qualifier with a host from either region. That could change next year if teams are added or lost around the province.
Financially, there are flaws aswell. Right now, under the new rules, with the cost of hosting and the cost of paying teams the event has become unmanageable for most teams. Where lucky to have teams like Rupert with deeper pockets who can step up to host an event like this, but my gut tells me that there are only another 1-3 teams around the province that would be willing to take the gamble of hosting under the new rules. On the flip side, to ensure teams can afford the travel (especially if it's far) these costs are necessary to guarantee the qualifying teams can afford the trip.... it's a fine line, but in the past teams have managed to make it work. The problem going forward is likely going to be finding a team to risk their money hosting the event.
Another question to consider is how should the CIHL teams be decided? The two best teams or one from each division of the CIHL? For example if Rupert made the finals against Smithers those two teams would be assured spots in the Coy. Who then would receive the 2nd qualifying CIHL spot? Burns Lake, Williams Lake or Houston could potentially have the best record of the teams left without a spot, but the East would already have a rep and not the west... then what?
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