This is a place to talk about things you are angry about, and to let you express your anger in an appropriate way. I will be monitoring this board closely...I hope to not see passive-aggressive behavior here, and if I do, I will try to confront it, regardless of what or who it is regarding. The idea here is to express anger in a healthy way. Strong language is allowed, so please be warned of that if you decide to read other people's posts. I am giving this a test run to see if this board will work...if I see lots of inappropriate anger expressions, I will discontinue this board. Please show respect to all persons here.
I am so Angry all the time. I burn with the rage and don't have the reasons. I have been in therapy for many years and remembered many horrible things........but this pure feeling of Anger is new and unattached.
I know how hard it can be to feel such anger, especially when it is seemingly unattached. With time, I am sure you will be able to attach it to something....perhaps you just are not ready to do that yet. Be patient with yourself, Roben. And feel free to keep on writing about it, and perhaps try some anger release exercises. You're not alone.
Angry, angry does not even begin to describe the emotion I have for what my dad did. Not only did you molest me you lowly, less than a human being son of a bitch, but you allowed your brother to have sex with me. How could you allow that to continue when you knew what was going on? I was only 9 years old. Now at 30, I have to sort through all this shit while you sit there dying and you did not even say you were sorry when we talked about it. I should be getting some sort of sick gratification that now, your brain is dying and no one can explain why. I suppose that should make me feel better. BUT IT DOES NOT!!! I want you to admit what you did you prick. I want you to know what if feels like to have YOUR uncle's come rubbed on your face you sick slob. I wish you would have to deal with all these feelings and unstable relationships due to the insecurity that has been deeprooted in me thanks to your family. I am a tallented artist and I can't even work right now because my mind is so full off all this shit. If I could, I would punch you, pound you in that hospital bed. How dare you take away what should be the prime of my life. My happy times, my carreer, my thoughts, and any self assuredness you SHOULD have instilled in me when I was young. No way, you just did what you pleased and everyone thought you were such a good christian man. WHAT A JOKE YOU ARE.. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT GOD HAS TO SAY TO YOU YOU BASTARD. ROT!!!!!!!!!!! So smilly with all your friends when they would come over to visit. Such a good family were you right? I would love to find a list af all the people who think you are a good man and let them in on just what it was like growing up in a house where YOU lived. Go to the church you loved so much and give a speach on just the kind of animal you really are. And the shitty part is you knew what you were doing was wrong. You were sure to quote the bible when you found out I was gay. And you hae the nerve to denounce me for my sexual preference! YOU HELPED CREATE THIS!!!!!! I hate you for your lack of human decency and I hate you for not being man enough to just leave your family because you surely did not want them.
I can sure understand your anger....it's absolutely horrible that any father would do those things and allow those things to be done to their child. You deserved to grow up safe and loved and protected. You deserve to have a happy life, to feel secure, and to love who you are. I hope you find the healing that can happen for you, and find that happiness and security. Feel free to come here anytime you want/need to.
Thanks for the kind words.
My father died Sunday morning and I am just trying to deal. I thought I would be happy, but I have anger for not ever having a father that would have protected me. I am sure this will be a new page in my recovery to healing and wanted to tell you this page really helped me to get the words I have a hard time saying out.
thanks again.
chris
I know that even though he was not the father you wished for, this must be a hard time for you. Whether you feel the need to grieve the loss of HIM or not, you most likely are grieving the loss of the dad you never had, and now never will have because the one person who could have been that person is gone. Add that on top of your anger, and I'm sure you've got a lot of feelings right now. I'm glad you found this site, and I and that you have this outlet for your feelings.
angry right now at another forum and how they attack lil's and how they carry grudges and don't act like mature adults.
At a time of someone passing away you'd think that the board would be open and friendly and mourn together...but these damned people hold onto a grudge like a kid with a lollipop.
Fuck them ( sorry Terrie) but we sure don't need to try again thats for sure.
They can take thre forum and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
It's really sad the way some people are and you have every right to your angry feelings. I am sorry they have done you and your family the way they have but there are lots of us that are here for you too!
I am proud of you for expressing yourself! Way to go my friend!
They even pulled the post I did asking that our lil's posts be pulled and we'd honor Tranes passing in our own way here at home. There was no reason for that post to be pulled.
i didnt see it as an attack
i saw someone appropriately asking you to respect the boundaries that had been requsted previously.
you came, you paid your respects...i did not have a problem with you paying respects...but there were still boundaries there...and that should be respected also.
i did not see anyone "attacking" your lils.
you have showed behaviors that were not appropriate and that is why peple feel the way they do. maybe its not that they dont like you or care for your lils, maybe its just hard to trust you right now. i dont mean this to sound ugly. just having a hard time trusting.
we can take this further in email if you would like, if not, thats understandable.
C
if people can't respect the lil's giving a tribute to someone that they were very close to for two and 1/2 years...then it's the ones their that need to grow up....it should've been left alone they only interfaced with Destry who IS there friend.
It's time for people to grow up and make ammends and stop using littles to insensitively pick on.
You started it, Chris followed, then EN was very very rude to the lil's when they said they weren't starting anything especially on Tranes board.They came out of respect coz they didn't want people to think they were ignoring what happened and how much it hurt everyone.
Before you were even on the boards we were very good friends with Trane...we will miss her...ALL of us.
You made light of the lil's feelings by cracking an " inside" joke on a board that was quite respectful
that is not our fault.
We are the kids....you are the adults...yet yesterday it seems we traded places
Nonetheless, Trane had a "NO CONTACT" policy established with your ENTIRE system.
This NO CONTACT included your littles as well, whom your system, seemingly, has little or no control over.
Looks to me, once again, that Camelot is in the mood for a Pity Party; forgetting (perhaps conviently) that it was THEY who were in the wrong and being highly disrespectful of the wishes the deceased.
By the way: your email is listed on your website, in full view of anyone who desires to use it.
To Whom It May Concern:I can see that you have strong feelings about this, and I understand and respect that. However, I have set up this site to be a safe place for people to freely express anger without repercussions, whether they are/were in the right or the wrong. At this point I am choosing not to delete any posts, however if you choose to continue to point out why you think anyone here was in the wrong, I will have no choice but to do so, as it breaches the safety of this site. I will not tolerate anyone making this an unsafe site for anyone else. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
we got a long nasty gram from someone after we sent out an email to someone else...so our addy was given away and we went through another attack and threats at the lil's me and Shawn. it was pretty bad...and as a post would've been pulled for sure.
I should have saved a copy...you would've loved to hate it.
thanks for the hugs
we need them right now... the lil guys didn't appreciate being threatened
Tristan
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WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?? DO YOU NOT HAVE ENOUGH CONTROL OVER THEM THAT YOU HAVE TO PULL BULLSHIT STUNTS LIKE THIS?? I HATE YOUR EVIL GUTS SLIMEBALL. WANT TO F*CKING KNOW SOMETHING? I'M SAVING THIS ONE ASSHOLE. I'M GONNA SAVE IT AND USE IT TO F*CKING SQUASH YOU LIKE A F*CKING BUG. HOW F*CKING DARE YOU? I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU. LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING... IF YOU EVER EVER SEND SOMETHING LIKE THAT AGAIN, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT S SIGNS THE STATEMENT AGAINST YOU AND YOU F*CKING SUFFER FOR THE REST OF YOUR F*CKING PATHETIC EXISTANCE. YOU HAVE NO F*CKING RIGHT TO DO THIS. NONE. AND I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE NOW TO GET THEM CALMED DOWN??? NO, YOU DONT WHY THE HELL AM I EVEN ASKING, BECAUSE THAT WOULD ASSUME YOU F*CKING CARED. AND YOU CANT GIVE A SHIT. YOU DONT HAVE IT IN YOU. BECAUSE YOU ARE A F*CKING HEARTLESS BASTARD AND YOUR EXISTANCE IS F*CKING FUTILE. COULDNT LEAVE THEM ALONE, COULD YOU? YOU F*CKING BASTARD I HATE YOU MORE THAN WORDS CAN EVEN EXPRESS... THERE ARE NO WORDS TFOR THE ABSOLUTE HATRED I HAVE FOR YOU. YOU DONT EVEN DESERVE TO HAVE THE ANGER THAT IS WITHIN ME. YOU DONT F*CKING DESERVE ANYTHING EXCEPT TO SUFFER THE WAY THEY ALL DO EVERY TIME YOU PULL SHIT LIKE THIS. I'M GONNA GET BETTER, F*CKER, STRONGER AND BETTER AT PROTECTING THEM SO YOU CANT DO THIS SHIT TO THEM ANY MORE... AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE NO POWER OVER THE KID ANY MORE. I WILL SEEK REVENGE AND MAKE YOU F*CKING SUFFER. I WILL I WILL I WILL. I F*CKING HATE YOU.
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YOU STUPID ASSHOLE!!1 I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU. I HATE YOU FOR LIVING I HATE YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID TO THOSE INSIDE I HATE YOU FOR EXISTING. I HATE THAT YOU MADE US AN US I HATE THAT YOU STILL HAVE POWER OVER THEM I HATE THAT YOU BREATHE THE SAME OXYGEN. I HATE THAT THEY SMELL YOUR SMELL I HATE YOU FOR LEAVING YOUR TEACHINGS WITH THEM I HATE THAT THEY CANT GET YOUR UGLY SLIMY FACE OUT OF THEIR MINDS. I HATE THAT YOUR WORDS OF WORTHLESSNESS AND HATRED STAY WITH THEM ALL THE TIME. I HATE YOU I HATE YOU. I HATE THAT I DIDN'T PROTECT THEM BETTER THAT IS MY JOB AND I DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT. I HATE YOU FOR MAKING ME HATE YOU SO MUCH THAT I DIDN'T PROTECT THE LITTLE KIDS WHEN THEY NEEDED ME TO. I HATE THAT THEY CANT USE THEIR RIGHT SIDE BECAUSE OF YOU I HATE THAT THEY ALL GET HEADACHES AND BACK PAIN BECAUSE OF YOU. I HATE YOU FOR SCARRING THIS BODY WITH YOUR SCREWED UP SHIT I HATE YOU FOR ALL THE THINGS YOU FORCED THEM TO BELIEVE ABOUT LIFE I HATE YOUR UGLY LYING FUCKED UP BEING. I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU. SOMEDAY YOUR FUCKING TIME WILL COME.
I'm so glad you chose to come vent here....it can be so hard to hold all that inside. I sure don't blame you a bit for your feelings, either...they are very justified. I hope you know that you can come here anytime to vent...and you did a great job, by the way.
I am afraid of my anger. I am afraid that I am a time bomb ticking and almost ready to explode at any time. It scares me.
I so appreciated reading your venting. It was great. It felt safe. I want to be able to do that against my perps. For what they took from me. For the struggles I have had because of what they took from me. For the lost innocence and lost years. For the lost memories of anything good... For the shattered sel-esteem. For the struggles to cope and survive. Oh, I want to feel that rage and release it in a safe place. Sometimes I feel like I could beat my bed half to death with my fists and scream and cry but I still hold it inside..... I want to release the anger... I want to let it go. I want to acknowledge the hurting child inside who desperately wants to fight back but is unable to move..... She is frozen in fear.... I want her to strike back at the bast***s that hurt her so!!!
Thanks for showing me it will be safe to vent here when I am ready.
I am angry. About what you ask. I am angry about Life, death, pain, suffering. I never asked for this. I never asked to be broken into a million pieces. I was just a little girl and you took away my innocence. I hate you with almost all my heart. How could some people be so cruel. It hurt then but i didn't know because i separeated myself from it, and as a result i am a 23 year old girl with mpd and no sex drive. i hate you for taking that from me and putting this noise in my head. I am tired of not trusting anyone i want to be able to put my gaurd down but i can't because of you and the others. I hate you all. you hurt me and didn't care. It is a shame i can't give you what you have given me that would be the ultimate punishment. I will see you all in hell.
Your anger is very justified. They had no right to hurt you at all, and certainly not as badly as they did. They had no right to take so much away from you. You had (and still have) every right to be safe, loved, nurtured, cared about. I hope that someday you can find that peace that you so rightly deserve. It's a long, hard journey, but it can be done.
Terrie,
Thank you for understanding. This is the hardest thing I have ever had to deal with. Because of all of this I developed DID. I am glad that I found a way to escape the terror, but you can only run for so long. Now I have to re-live all of it and it is not fair. I only hope that I will come out of this stronger and able to trust to some degree eventually. Thanks again for a wonderful page.
Anne
I, too, am glad you found a way to escape the terror when you were too young to deal with it. And you are right, it's not fair that you have to relive it all to heal, or even that it happened in the first place. You are already strong, though, or you would not have survived in the first place...I hope you can remember that. And you are healing too...I can hear it in your acceptance, even amidst the anger. Keep on healing...you can do it!
Hang in there Anne- Terrie's right- your anger is completely justified. In my healing I've learned though that you don't have to relive each and every piece of the abuse to heal- you only have to learn enough to be able to process the feelings and recognize the impact. Hang in there.
Margaret
I know how you feel. I was sextually abused when
I was a kid too. I am so hurt . I can not forget that monster who screwed my whole life.
I can not trust men . Every time I see a man I think " Is he a child molester?" That is because
I can not trust them. I wish I could kill him.
Once I quite my job because one of regular customers looked like him.!!!!!!!
When my family found out i was abused, they hide it. The country i am coming from rape is a shame for the family.
Believe me, I was isolated for some time. I could see my mother and grandparents getting hurt. I was so upset.I was 8 Year old that time....
God I wish I could take that monster to the justice...
Now I am here far away from him, but my memories are still alive. Still I am suffering
When I think about the all the things that have happened to me, I get angry but I can only cry about it, I feel this rage in me at times and I really don't know what to do with it, except cry.i hate that.... i feel it's bullshit when people tell me to let go, and get on with my life. what if I don't want to "let it go", that "i should be over it", what if i dont' fucking want to let go, because, all i see in my life is that my life is screwed up and feel the abuse happening over and over again. I don't let go because its what i am and it's what made me, me!!! all i want is to get rid of the shit i carry around with me. i see how it has ruined my life and for what!!!!! I hate them for what they have taken from me. my childhood, my safety and my peace.
You've got every right to be angry. And they had no right to do what they did to you. I know it take time to heal, and it is unfair that we have to work so hard just to try to bring peace to our lives. Please know you are not alone, and you are welcome here anytime.
a little anger (be forewarned will likely contain swear words)
by Robencsim
You know who I am the most f*cking angry at??????????????????????????????????????? God.
I was in church last week and the minister kept going on and on about Jesus the shepherd who cares for us.............bull shit!!!!!!!! God did jack for me. I was raped and beaten and beaten and raped over and over and over.........and over........for what????????? and who helped me?????????// who stopped it?????????nothing. nobody. nada. not till I was able to run away and even then it happened for awhile and now I get the awesome pleasure of reliving this sh*T it therapy wow...what a great life this is
I can certainly understand your anger at God. You would think He could stop such horrible things from happening, and if the truth be known, He probably could stop it...after all, He is the Almighty with the power to do anything, right? I've learned a few things along the way, and while I'm sure my insight will not take away your very justified anger, perhaps it can lead you toward another step in healing. So here goes....
God has given each and every one of us thing thing called freewill. Because of that gift, each and every one of us has the power to make our own decisions without His interference. Therefore, even when we make bad choices and choose to do bad things, He does not interfere...after all, what good is freewill if he stops us from making our own choices that freewill gives us the freedom to make? The downside of this, however, is that some people utilize their freewill to hurt others....as was the case of our abusers. If He had stopped them from hurting us, He would have been taking away the very precious gift of freewill that he gave them....pretty sick, huh?...that the ability to hurt others is a "gift". In spite of the gift of freewill that allows others to choose to hurt us, though, God is there for us. No, he doesn't stop the hurt. But he does present us with opportunities to move forward. He opens doors for us, which we have the choice to go through or not. He led you here, to a place where you can talk about your experiences and feelings, where you can get support to heal. Don't worry...He can handle your anger toward Him. He understands, and He is there to open doors for you to help you heal....it is up to you what you do, though....after all, He gave you the choice of freewill as well. I wish you peace in your healing process, and I hope you will continue to utilize this message board to reach out.
i know what you mean, a good deal of my anger has been directed at God, and i have always wondered why God didn't help me... but recently i have recieved help from God... i don't know why, but i have... i have ptsd with really bad panic attacks, and at my age and weight i was very worried about having a heart attack, that's how bad the heart palpitations were... and one night i cried out in desperation to God for help and since then i haven't had a heart palpitation... you can't imagine how strange it is to have a panic attack without palpitations! why didn't God take away the panic all together? i can't say, but this is the second time that God has saved my life... i'm not a religious person, but God doesn't seem to mind. and i'm just going to have to find help for the panic in other ways... i am going to see a hypnotherapist on tuesday, and i think that that is the biggest way God helps, is thru others, but i'm here to tell you that God exists and does perform miracles, as to the timing and reason God has for what He/She does, i cannot help with that... but one thing i am hanging on to is that i believe that evil is only here on earth, and God is waiting for us when we're done...
elaine
Hi,
I understand your anger against God, who in my mind too, is all knowing and all powerful. I struggeled with this same anger for years because of a 15 year failed marriage to an abuser. I prayed diligently for him to change. When i realized that he might hurt my two children, well... I left for good with no turning back. Yes. I am sad to say that I was willing to take the abuse... I guess I felt I deserved it somehow and was actually used to it. I married at 18 to a 32 year old man.... (looking back I see where I needed a father in my life that I was deprived of... sigh..)
Anyway, I was angry at God for a long time that he did not change this person and answer my prayer. I did not want my children to have to be seperated from their father and to go through a divorce. However, God did show me that his love is pure love.... He will not possess a person to change... That is not pure love... That is control. So no matter how hard I prayed, it was truly up to my ex-husband to want to change.... If God possessed him to change, that would not be true love... That would be control.... God loves us all enough to let us have our own choices.... So, I understood that it wasn't really God's fault... I was grateful that God did show me that he would not change and I felt released to divorce him when my son was 14 yrs. old. I still have to be honest though... I wanted to be like the Canadian Geese who mate for life... I did not want to be like a duck who was raped and raped and raped over and over again only to feel used and unloved..... But in spite of it all, I have learned and do believe that everything good or bad in our lives only helps us to be more compassionate and loving to others. There is a possitive in every negative experience if we will allow it to over power the negative.
just h*ngin out...cool place man....havent read anything yet so i dont know about spoilin....one of our kids has a board but it spoils everything ***** which kinda sucks. so we took out the spoiler.
It's good to hear from you! As for spoiling, I don't have anything auto-spoiled, and I don't require any spoiling, although it certainly is allowed if someone chooses to do so. LOL. Anyway, feel free to look around...I only have 4 boards in all, so it's not as big as MM, but then again, I'm running it on my own, too. Where is the board y'all have?? Hope to hear from you again soon.
Well my board isn't busy yet cuz I have to put a link on my web page. My board is about PGN stuff so I won't put the link here. I hope I can put the link on my web page too.
It is very difficult for me to get angry at anyone but myself for what happened. Intellectually I know it's not my fault but the child inside feels differently. I have worked on the sexual abuse issues for awhile and can't seem to put this issue of fault to rest.
i was having the same trouble julia and still kind of am. what i needed was validation for my anger and permission to be angry. while i was being abused, i was the one punished if someone caught them hurting me. my therapist told me responible ways to be angry, i.e. not hurt myself or anyone else. so i punch a pillow and say this is your stupid head, to my cousins or my mom (who caught them and punished me) depending on my mood. i also dance and stomp on the floor pretending it is them. i invite my little girl to do it with me. i say, "look i know it wasn't your fault because i'm big now and look at how mad i am they hurt you. let's stomp them." she feels so happy and powerful when we do this. we even made a monster mask together. we wear this when we want to remember but are too scared. we pretend like we are a scary monster and we go back and rescue the little girl over and over until she knows she is safe to remember and that they can't hurt her anymore. this also seems to be helping. my little girl likes to growl and holler like she is ferocious when we wear the mask. she likes to be angry and not just sad.
the first step to not blaming yourself/being angry at yourself for the abuse is intellectually knowing it wasn't your fault. the second is realizing your little girl thinks it was her fault. the third is working with her creatively to teach her that it really wasn't her fault. she is a child don't forget. you have to teach her that she can be angry and how to be angry safely. you have to tell her her anger is justified and an appropriate response. she doesn't have to be afraid or ashamed of being angry. she should be angry that someone hurt her. tell her you are angry that she was hurt. this works, i swear.
in fact i just had to go punch my pillow for you. i got mad someone hurt you and made you feel like it was you're fault so you couldn't even be mad at them. my cousins made me feel that way too and it makes me mad somebody would make you feel that way too. i feel so happy and strong now after letting that anger out. you should really try this with your little girl. anger can be a positve, empowering emotion if you learn to use it properly. since i have been doing this i have been less snappy at work and i am more aware of the source of my anger when i am snappy, so i don't take it out on hapless bystanders. i wish you the best of luck on finally owning your anger. hope this helps.
dee
It's hard, isn't it? They probably told you it was your fault. Either directly or indirectly. And even if they didn't tell you, it's hard to believe that someone you relied on to care for you could also hurt you, so you intrinsically believe it must be your fault, cuz they can do no wrong. I know it's hard to get over the emotional belief hurdle....we learn things intellectually much earlier than we learn to actually believe them with all that we are....the emotional beliefs are so much harder to change. Dee had some great feedback. I'd also like to recommend affirmations. Somehow it got drilled into your belief system that it is your fault, so now you can drill it in that it is NOT your fault. Tell yourself, over and over and over again, It is not my fault. It will take a while to believe it, but keep drilling it in. You are worth healing, and it was NOT your fault!!!!
i am so tired of people telling me to "try to forget" how the hell can you try to forget something. trying just reminds you. how can i forget what they did to me. it is apart of my history and my struggle as a human being. we are all dealt something that forces us to be strong this is mine. and another thing i can not stand when people bring up the subject of sexual abuse and when you start to talk about your experience they want to change the subject. it is not like talking a about a movie and then what your going to eat for dinner. i makes me want to scream. it like "you brought it up" and now i guess they can't handle it. im just rambling. i know i have people to talk to now. thanks
Unfortunately, some people can't handle the truth. That is why there are places like this, where you can talk about it all you want and know that you are supported, believed, and that you will never be told to try to forget it, but will be surrounded by others who also remember. Thank you for sharing your anger...it is very justified.
geez, do i have to go first? okay...here goes...i am 27 years old and currently in therapy for many lovely issues in my life, not the least of which being that i was repeatedly raped at age 17 by a classmate over about a 3-week period, and never actually dealt with the reality of the situation. just last week, i'm watching a "talk show" that shall go unnamed, and the topic was "my teenage daughter flaunts her large breasts." it was the host and a bunch of moms trying to discourage their 12-15 yr old daughters from using their hooters to gain attention. i have no problem with this. but i do have a problem with the general message these "smarter adults" were sending. they kept saying "she's going to get into a situation she can't get out of and THEN she'll be sorry." what did that mean to me? "you're going to get yourself raped, little missy, and it's going to be all your fault when you do because you dress and act like a whore, therefore you deserve to be used and abused and treated like the slut you are." BULLSHIT! yes, it's inappropriate for a 13 year old to go to school in a halter top, but good god, how fucking medievil can you get? why should i bother going to a damn therapist and reassure myself that it wasn't my fault i was mistreated, when it seems that all of society thinks otherwise? how can we continue to contradict ourselves by saying "no means no" and "you're asking for trouble" in the same breath? it repulses me! "boys can't be expected to actually THINK, you have to be the pure one and not be bad and lead their hormones on." with this kind of modern, liberal thinking, we may as well just go back to requiring home ec for high school girls and the whole "barefoot and pregnant" regime. thanks for allowing me to rant.
Angela,
There are still a lot of people that don't get it.
It stinks-and it sure doesn't help us any-like you said. But that's them-it's out of ignorance more than anything-the fact is nothing and i mean nothing justifies rape and sexual abuse. No one asks for that-it isn't sex and it isn't about sex-it's about power. That makes me angry too-society still has a long way to go when it comes to this issue. On the flip side-we've come a long way from where we were-i was raped as a teenager in the seventies-and things were much much different then. There are lot of resources for those of us
who have gone through this-that wasn't always the case. And there are many more convictions than there were then too. No matter what anyone says,
it's not your fault and you didn't deserve it.
(((((((((Angela)))))))) kimberly
No matter what society thinks, no matter what those mother's think, no matter what anybody thinks....it is not your fault! Men ARE capable of thinking (poor helpless creatures...NOT!) and if they choose not to think or to think with the wrong head, that's their fault, not ours!