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June 4 2002 at 12:09 PM
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While it is a popular belief that things are going to hell in a hand basket, that is not the truth. If you look at conditions here inthe US as they were in the late 60's early 70's compared with today, the difference is amazing. The rivers are a lot cleaner, cars put out 97% fewer harmfull emissions. Look at the data for airborne polution in LA. The drop is absolutely amazing. While LA is still the worst city in the US, it is a heck of a lot better than it used to be. UV ratings? We used to go out and get sunburned four, five, six times in the summer and think nothing of it. Just because we are more aware of the effects and more cautious now doesn't mean it worse. One last example....all the trees are being chopped down. Using the UNs figures, in 1950, the estimated forest area was 40.24 million square km. In 1994, it was estimated at 43.04 million sqaure km. As we have advanced in technology, it has become cleaner and more efficient. Ecologist make their living on "chicken little" cries. The worse it is, the more money you can get for grants to study more. Look yourself.

 
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  1. Reply - Jaffa Tamarin on Jun 4, 1:05 PM
    1. Heh, too much of a good thing... - Ozymandous on Jun 4, 1:48 PM
      1. Really? - ShadowHM on Jun 4, 2:24 PM
        1. You proved my point, thanks! - Ozymandous on Jun 5, 6:08 AM
          1. My pseudo-science can beat up your pseudo-science, nyah! - Jaffa Tamarin on Jun 5, 8:56 AM
            1. The Problem with the Kyoto Blackmail Protocol - Occhi on Jun 5, 12:19 PM
              1. Global problems require global solutions - Jaffa Tamarin on Jun 5, 12:41 PM
                1. Hrm... - Ozymandous on Jun 5, 5:08 PM
                  1. Interesting - Jester on Jun 5, 5:49 PM
                    1. Answers - Ozymandous on Jun 6, 5:19 AM
                      1. Cease and desist - Jester on Jun 6, 12:44 PM
                        1. Aaah, there is the problem of the great sucking sound - Occhi on Jun 6, 1:48 PM
                          1. Lose-lose, everyone's favorite game - Jester on Jun 6, 2:23 PM
                            1. Well, that is sort of what I was talking about - Occhi on Jun 6, 3:10 PM
                              1. No kidding - Jester on Jun 6, 11:15 PM
                              2. Eggs in one basket - Ozymandous on Jun 7, 7:09 AM
                                1. Huh? - ShadowHM on Jun 7, 11:18 AM
                                  1. This is an argument for nationalism - Occhi on Jun 7, 11:30 AM
                            2. Economics 101 - Sirian on Jun 6, 4:35 PM
                              1. Yes, yes - Jester on Jun 6, 11:42 PM
                                1. No, No - Sirian on Jun 7, 1:04 AM
                                  1. Maybe, Maybe - Jaffa Tamarin on Jun 7, 7:43 AM
                                    1. I suggest you read Frankel's Book - Occhi on Jun 7, 9:08 AM
                                    2. Table Legs - Sirian on Jun 8, 1:42 AM
                                  2. Okay... - Jester on Jun 7, 12:24 PM
                                    1. Darn, I forget who posited the Iron Law of Wages - Occhi on Jun 7, 1:02 PM
                                      1. Can't recall... - Jester on Jun 7, 2:01 PM
                                        1. Marx was a Fool - Sirian on Jun 7, 3:33 PM
                                          1. Er... - Jester on Jun 8, 12:29 PM
                                            1. Re: Er... - Meldor on Jun 8, 6:13 PM
                                              1. 2 cents - Ozymandous on Jun 8, 11:58 PM
                                    2. Duck Season - Sirian on Jun 7, 2:29 PM
                                      1. I suppose I just don't see it - Jester on Jun 8, 12:54 PM
                                        1. Re: I suppose I just don't see it - Meldor on Jun 8, 6:45 PM
                                          1. Well... - Jester on Jun 9, 2:11 AM
                                            1. Amusing - Ozymandous on Jun 10, 6:43 AM
                                              1. That's always the rub, isn't it? - Jester on Jun 10, 12:36 PM
                                                1. Half-Truth - Sirian on Jun 10, 7:39 PM
                                                  1. Apologies - Jester on Jun 10, 11:23 PM
                                                    1. Zero Sum - Sirian on Jun 11, 8:36 AM
                                                      1. Point to point - Jester on Jun 11, 2:57 PM
                                                        1. Genocide my arse - Occhi on Jun 11, 4:09 PM
                                                          1. Okay... - Jester on Jun 11, 9:17 PM
                                                            1. No, it isn't just semantics - Occhi on Jun 12, 7:50 AM
                                                              1. Revisionism - ShadowHM on Jun 12, 9:12 AM
                                                                1. Should be taking the cases chronologically - Pete on Jun 12, 9:52 AM
                                                                  1. Criteria for court cases - ShadowHM on Jun 12, 10:41 AM
                                                                    1. Is time money? - Pete on Jun 12, 5:46 PM
                                                                      1. I admit to being torn on this one..... - ShadowHM on Jun 12, 8:20 PM
                                                                        1. Sometimes it is better to do nothing . . . - Pete on Jun 12, 8:43 PM
                                                                          1. Amen! (n/t) - ShadowHM on Jun 13, 10:24 AM
                                                                2. Why "tough to swallow?" - Occhi on Jun 13, 9:28 AM
                                                                  1. Here's why..... - ShadowHM on Jun 13, 10:34 AM
                                                                    1. OK - Occhi on Jun 14, 6:42 AM
                                                              2. Okay - Jester on Jun 12, 11:13 AM
                                                                1. Recent doesn't make it important - Pete on Jun 12, 5:35 PM
                                                                  1. I remember that... - Jester on Jun 12, 10:16 PM
                                                                    1. Ain't research fun :) - Pete on Jun 13, 2:41 PM
                                                                2. Well, part of what we do here on forums has to do with words - Occhi on Jun 13, 9:37 AM
                                                                  1. A minor nit :) - Pete on Jun 13, 2:33 PM
                                                                    1. OK, and Guinness is - Occhi on Jun 14, 6:44 AM
                                                                      1. The nice thing about Stout is . . . - Pete on Jun 14, 7:30 PM
                                                        2. Great writing, Jester - ShadowHM on Jun 11, 8:02 PM
                                                          1. Sadly... - Jester on Jun 11, 9:22 PM
                            3. Societal changes - Ozymandous on Jun 7, 5:33 AM
                              1. Re: Societal changes - Jaffa Tamarin on Jun 7, 7:48 AM
                                1. It is not an either or - Occhi on Jun 7, 9:54 AM
                              2. One problem with your argument - Pete on Jun 7, 10:11 AM
                              3. Erm... - Jester on Jun 7, 12:28 PM
                                1. Aircraft Manufacture - Occhi on Jun 7, 1:05 PM
                                  1. Sure... - Jester on Jun 7, 2:07 PM
                                    1. I wonder if it will ever come to that - Occhi on Jun 7, 2:42 PM
                                      1. Applied Marxism - Jester on Jun 8, 1:00 PM
                                      2. Re: I wonder if it will ever come to that - Meldor on Jun 8, 6:55 PM
                                        1. I don't know where you got your data . . . - Pete on Jun 9, 4:10 PM
                                          1. Thanks - Jester on Jun 9, 10:12 PM
                                            1. The problem with "robots" . . . - Pete on Jun 10, 8:39 AM
                                        2. Hmmm, assembly lines . . . - Occhi on Jun 10, 9:19 AM
                                          1. Cynical Response - ShadowHM on Jun 11, 4:03 AM
                                            1. Silent votes - Ozymandous on Jun 11, 6:08 AM
                                              1. BAH, BAH, and Triple BAH!!! - Occhi The Voter on Jun 11, 7:04 AM
                                                1. The only thing I got to say is . . . - Pete on Jun 11, 7:38 AM
                                                2. YES! - Jester on Jun 11, 2:59 PM
                                                  1. Quick note - Occhi the Quickdraw on Jun 11, 4:16 PM
                                                    1. History Suxxor - Jester on Jun 11, 9:27 PM
                                                      1. Yes, a Guinness - Occhi on Jun 12, 8:57 AM
                                            2. Where I was - Occhi The Voter on Jun 11, 6:55 AM
                    2. More to the point.... - Meldor on Jun 6, 7:33 AM
                      1. Are you just making this up, or what? - Jaffa Tamarin on Jun 6, 8:22 AM
                        1. About CO2 - Occhi on Jun 6, 8:47 AM
                          1. Yes - Jaffa Tamarin on Jun 6, 10:32 AM
                            1. When "anything" isn't good enough. - Ozymandous on Jun 6, 12:25 PM
                        2. Glad to give references.... - Meldor on Jun 6, 8:52 AM
                        3. Almost forgot the other shot.... - Meldor on Jun 6, 9:32 AM
                          1. Ummm, yeah... - Jaffa Tamarin on Jun 6, 3:42 PM
                            1. What? - Jester on Jun 6, 11:47 PM
                              1. Slip slidin' away... - Ozymandous on Jun 7, 7:30 AM
                              2. Tilt: National agendas in business - Occhi on Jun 7, 7:41 AM
                                1. Tilt .. tilt .. fallen over! - Jaffa Tamarin on Jun 7, 8:18 AM
                                  1. Not to regulate . . . no . . . - Occhi on Jun 7, 9:58 AM
                                2. Absolutely - Jester on Jun 7, 12:35 PM
                                  1. Ah, I smile - Occhi on Jun 7, 1:09 PM
                                    1. Yeah - Jester on Jun 7, 2:11 PM
                  2. Feh - Jaffa Tamarin on Jun 5, 6:50 PM
                    1. You are now just making noise - Occhi on Jun 6, 9:15 AM
                      1. Feh, again - Jaffa Tamarin on Jun 6, 9:52 AM
                        1. All right - Occhi on Jun 6, 9:54 AM
                        2. Who killed Kyoto.... - Meldor on Jun 6, 10:07 AM
                2. Paging the Ivory Tower - Occhi on Jun 6, 8:31 AM
    2. So enlighten me..... - Meldor on Jun 4, 2:00 PM
      1. Oops, I erred - Occhi on Jun 6, 9:53 AM
     
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