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Cease and desist

June 6 2002 at 12:44 PM
Jester  (no login)
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You're putting words into my mouth.

I certainly never claimed that "the west" is the root of all evil. It has been the cradle of the aptly-named "western civilization" since the Greeks, and (cute Gandhi one-liners aside) it's a great thing to have around.

Nor am I claiming that I think the third world would do really well in isolation, or that the west is responsible for their mess, or any of the other strawman arguments that you apparently foisted on me.

What IS true, indisputably so, is that obtaining the same labour and materials from local sources would be much more expensive than obtaining them on the cheap from the third world. What this involves is a small investment in the third world coupled with a huge payoff, since production costs are no longer even in the same magnitude as retail prices. The US benefits enormously from this. The third world may benefit economically, but nowhere near as much.

So please cease and desist trying to paint my portrait with your ridiculous stereotypical colours. I'll listen to reason, I'll listen to imaginative and intuitive argument, I'll listen to logic. But I'm not going to listen to canned arguments.

Jester

 
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  1. Aaah, there is the problem of the great sucking sound - Occhi on Jun 6, 2002, 1:48 PM
    1. Lose-lose, everyone's favorite game - Jester on Jun 6, 2002, 2:23 PM
      1. Well, that is sort of what I was talking about - Occhi on Jun 6, 2002, 3:10 PM
        1. No kidding - Jester on Jun 6, 2002, 11:15 PM
        2. Eggs in one basket - Ozymandous on Jun 7, 2002, 7:09 AM
          1. Huh? - ShadowHM on Jun 7, 2002, 11:18 AM
            1. This is an argument for nationalism - Occhi on Jun 7, 2002, 11:30 AM
      2. Economics 101 - Sirian on Jun 6, 2002, 4:35 PM
        1. Yes, yes - Jester on Jun 6, 2002, 11:42 PM
          1. No, No - Sirian on Jun 7, 2002, 1:04 AM
            1. Maybe, Maybe - Jaffa Tamarin on Jun 7, 2002, 7:43 AM
              1. I suggest you read Frankel's Book - Occhi on Jun 7, 2002, 9:08 AM
              2. Table Legs - Sirian on Jun 8, 2002, 1:42 AM
            2. Okay... - Jester on Jun 7, 2002, 12:24 PM
              1. Darn, I forget who posited the Iron Law of Wages - Occhi on Jun 7, 2002, 1:02 PM
                1. Can't recall... - Jester on Jun 7, 2002, 2:01 PM
                  1. Marx was a Fool - Sirian on Jun 7, 2002, 3:33 PM
                    1. Er... - Jester on Jun 8, 2002, 12:29 PM
                      1. Re: Er... - Meldor on Jun 8, 2002, 6:13 PM
                        1. 2 cents - Ozymandous on Jun 8, 2002, 11:58 PM
              2. Duck Season - Sirian on Jun 7, 2002, 2:29 PM
                1. I suppose I just don't see it - Jester on Jun 8, 2002, 12:54 PM
                  1. Re: I suppose I just don't see it - Meldor on Jun 8, 2002, 6:45 PM
                    1. Well... - Jester on Jun 9, 2002, 2:11 AM
                      1. Amusing - Ozymandous on Jun 10, 2002, 6:43 AM
                        1. That's always the rub, isn't it? - Jester on Jun 10, 2002, 12:36 PM
                          1. Half-Truth - Sirian on Jun 10, 2002, 7:39 PM
                            1. Apologies - Jester on Jun 10, 2002, 11:23 PM
                              1. Zero Sum - Sirian on Jun 11, 2002, 8:36 AM
                                1. Point to point - Jester on Jun 11, 2002, 2:57 PM
                                  1. Genocide my arse - Occhi on Jun 11, 2002, 4:09 PM
                                    1. Okay... - Jester on Jun 11, 2002, 9:17 PM
                                      1. No, it isn't just semantics - Occhi on Jun 12, 2002, 7:50 AM
                                        1. Revisionism - ShadowHM on Jun 12, 2002, 9:12 AM
                                          1. Should be taking the cases chronologically - Pete on Jun 12, 2002, 9:52 AM
                                            1. Criteria for court cases - ShadowHM on Jun 12, 2002, 10:41 AM
                                            2. Is time money? - Pete on Jun 12, 2002, 5:46 PM
                                            3. I admit to being torn on this one..... - ShadowHM on Jun 12, 2002, 8:20 PM
                                            4. Sometimes it is better to do nothing . . . - Pete on Jun 12, 2002, 8:43 PM
                                            5. Amen! (n/t) - ShadowHM on Jun 13, 2002, 10:24 AM
                                          2. Why "tough to swallow?" - Occhi on Jun 13, 2002, 9:28 AM
                                            1. Here's why..... - ShadowHM on Jun 13, 2002, 10:34 AM
                                            2. OK - Occhi on Jun 14, 2002, 6:42 AM
                                        2. Okay - Jester on Jun 12, 2002, 11:13 AM
                                          1. Recent doesn't make it important - Pete on Jun 12, 2002, 5:35 PM
                                            1. I remember that... - Jester on Jun 12, 2002, 10:16 PM
                                            2. Ain't research fun :) - Pete on Jun 13, 2002, 2:41 PM
                                          2. Well, part of what we do here on forums has to do with words - Occhi on Jun 13, 2002, 9:37 AM
                                            1. A minor nit :) - Pete on Jun 13, 2002, 2:33 PM
                                            2. OK, and Guinness is - Occhi on Jun 14, 2002, 6:44 AM
                                            3. The nice thing about Stout is . . . - Pete on Jun 14, 2002, 7:30 PM
                                  2. Great writing, Jester - ShadowHM on Jun 11, 2002, 8:02 PM
                                    1. Sadly... - Jester on Jun 11, 2002, 9:22 PM
      3. Societal changes - Ozymandous on Jun 7, 2002, 5:33 AM
        1. Re: Societal changes - Jaffa Tamarin on Jun 7, 2002, 7:48 AM
          1. It is not an either or - Occhi on Jun 7, 2002, 9:54 AM
        2. One problem with your argument - Pete on Jun 7, 2002, 10:11 AM
        3. Erm... - Jester on Jun 7, 2002, 12:28 PM
          1. Aircraft Manufacture - Occhi on Jun 7, 2002, 1:05 PM
            1. Sure... - Jester on Jun 7, 2002, 2:07 PM
              1. I wonder if it will ever come to that - Occhi on Jun 7, 2002, 2:42 PM
                1. Applied Marxism - Jester on Jun 8, 2002, 1:00 PM
                2. Re: I wonder if it will ever come to that - Meldor on Jun 8, 2002, 6:55 PM
                  1. I don't know where you got your data . . . - Pete on Jun 9, 2002, 4:10 PM
                    1. Thanks - Jester on Jun 9, 2002, 10:12 PM
                      1. The problem with "robots" . . . - Pete on Jun 10, 2002, 8:39 AM
                  2. Hmmm, assembly lines . . . - Occhi on Jun 10, 2002, 9:19 AM
                    1. Cynical Response - ShadowHM on Jun 11, 2002, 4:03 AM
                      1. Silent votes - Ozymandous on Jun 11, 2002, 6:08 AM
                        1. BAH, BAH, and Triple BAH!!! - Occhi The Voter on Jun 11, 2002, 7:04 AM
                          1. The only thing I got to say is . . . - Pete on Jun 11, 2002, 7:38 AM
                          2. YES! - Jester on Jun 11, 2002, 2:59 PM
                            1. Quick note - Occhi the Quickdraw on Jun 11, 2002, 4:16 PM
                              1. History Suxxor - Jester on Jun 11, 2002, 9:27 PM
                                1. Yes, a Guinness - Occhi on Jun 12, 2002, 8:57 AM
                      2. Where I was - Occhi The Voter on Jun 11, 2002, 6:55 AM
     
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