Why is Cost of Hockey Illinois Hockey so expensive?May 28 2010 at 8:10 AM
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This program sent Multiple teams to Nationals..and performed very well. Hockey across the USA has similar expenses...even in the warm climate locations such as Richmond, VA.
Yes they have one 1/2 ice practice per week...aka..small games practices such as what USA Hockey perscribes..it works...they also only have 2 rinks within a 45 mile radius....what does Bantam hockey cost in IL...$5,000?..why is the cost so different?
Richmond Royals 2010-2011 Player Fees Announced
The Richmond Royals Executive Board has adopted its operating budget for the 2010-2011 hockey season and have set the following fees for our prospective teams. (read more)
Richmond Royals 2010-2011 Player Fees
The fees for this years Royals Travel Teams are as follows:
The Squirt team is based on a roster of 15 players (13 skaters and two goalies) and 11 home games. The PeeWee and Bantam teams are based on a roster of 17 players (15 skaters and two goalies) and 20 home games. The Midget teams are based on a roster of 20 players (18 skaters and two goalies). All teams will have two practice slots of 70 minutes (60 minutes of ice and a 10 minute ice cut) with one slot being full ice and one slot shared ice. There will be a open 1/2 sheet every week that will rotate equally between the teams, starting with the U18AA team and working through the Squirt team. Two or three of these slots will be used for goalie specific training over the course of the season.
The 2010-11 fees cover costs associated with game ice, practice ice, referees, coaches stipend, the banquet (for player and one parent) and all fixed and variable costs associated with running and managing the teams. Practice ice will start the first week after Labor Day and will run through the first week in March, exclusive of the traditional two week break over the Christmas holiday period. This represents an extension of one week from prior years and should cover teams practice ice through their CBHL play-off games.
There are no new attire requirements for the 2010-11 season. Thus, only socks are covered in the base fees. Should your player need a new pants shell, warm-up or jerseys, those costs are out-of-pocket costs and additional.
Thank you to the Board for its many efforts to review our needs and costs in order to develop a budget that allowed us to either lower or maintain per player costs for the club.
the truthNo score for this post
|May 28 2010, 11:20 AM |
the reason behind the ridicules costs in ill are the waste of money that are paid to these hockey directors!!! Ask your club board members what the salary for your directors plus the money they are paid to coach the teams they coach and the biggest joke of all the money they make off there summer camps!! It is a joke but usually the muppets that run these clubs along with the directors act like there doing every one a favor!! The clubs could and should be run better and for less money. THe real joke is on us parents that let these clowns get away with it.
Re: the truthNo score for this post
|May 28 2010, 11:50 AM |
Not again! do we really need another thread on how much hockey costs in Illinois. Either shut up and pay or go play soccer!
Re: the truthNo score for this post
|May 28 2010, 3:29 PM |
Yes, lets start this discussion again! Why? Because it's the kids who play and not the adults who post on this bulletin board. Really, is that the answer to the high cost of Illinois hockey - "Go play soccer". The people who reply with the "Go play soccer" bit is because it gives their kids a better chance to play on a regular basis because they can afford it. It is absolutely ridiculous how expensive hockey is here in Illinois and children should not have to suffer for it.
cut costsNo score for this post
|May 28 2010, 8:53 PM |
Every club should go over every cost of the clubs and cut these costs by 20%. These club directors are making any where between 75 to 100 a year to do what? The Directors are not needed and really do very little if any work. Cut there pay to what the people that work at your local ymca make and see how many of these parasites go and find new careers!!!THe costs could be reduced greatly if the parents of the clubs told the PRESIDENTS AND THE MUPPETS THAT MAKE UP THESE BOARDS that we are not going to pay these types of salaries to these worthless directors who do not earn or are worth these type of salaries!! Remember people these so called hockey experts work for us the parents not the other way around!!!
Truth TellerNo score for this post
|May 29 2010, 4:49 AM |
Hey Truth Teller-
Are you on a Board? If not and you've never volunteered your time to help run one of the clubs then shut up about Board members. If you have an idea, go to a meeting a present it. Every one of us wants the game to be better and less expensive. If you're so much smarter than the people you rip on this site then make a difference for us all. Regardless, quit hiding behind your keyboard.
Some times the truth hurts...No score for this post
|May 29 2010, 5:20 AM |
No need to get nasty. Let's face it in these tough economic times, all we hear is people losing jobs, taking pay cuts, losing benefits, seems funny that the fees still go up in the hockey world, hockey directors, coaches are not facing any pay cuts. 75K-100K is alot of money, they aren't life saving jobs, pretty sure most police / fireman/EMT's don't make that..
The hockey clubs Presidents say they want to cut fees, yeah right, very few clubs have kept fees pretty contained, it's just talk..they just keep saying costs are up. I see cuts everywhere from the grocery stores, gas prices now going down, housing, cars, everyone does what they have to do to keep a job and that sometimes mean pay cuts. Maybe they could step up and take one for the team.
former board memberNo score for this post
|May 29 2010, 5:42 AM |
No hostility here, just a few thoughts.
Boards are typically comprised of organization parents who volunteer their time.
In order to run a hockey club a lot of time is needed and while the board has volunteered to do the organizational work they didn't expect to be the day to day volunteers as well.
I would suggest that clubs with strong parental participation (volunteers) outside of the board ranks has substantially better ways to hold operational costs down.
On the subject of Directors: They can be quite an expense. Some are worth their weight in gold, others, lead weights. The board needs a hockey director to organize and initiate the program overall. They should be creating curriculums for each level so players develop age appropriately and coaches at each level know what they need to do and what to expect from the players moving up to their team. (I think this is a job for USA Hockey myself. If curriculums were designed and distributed nationally kids would be on the same training level club to club and one need for a director would be removed).
I digress. Hiring coaches should not be the responsibility of the board. Remember, volunteer parents does not mean hockey knowledge or experience. Plus, any club that allows their board to hire coaches has complaints that coaches are getting hired so board members kids make the team... can't win on this one.
A director should be a talented and skilled hockey person. They should be known in the community they will work which translates to reputation and knowing coaches from competing clubs. Directors should not coach teams. They should be involved with the training of every team. They should rotate their time with each team to extend their talent and value above and beyond the teams coach(es). They should be observing the coaches and offering training to enhance the coaches abilities.
I've heard a HD say he would not interfere with a coaches team. That director needed to be fired on the spot. Who better to help a coach improve then the director? That is part of the job. If they won't do it then they are not doing their job. When a HD is on a teams ice they should be taking kid(s) aside for smaller focused training. A good HD should be able to see what a player needs. let's say it's a poor slap shot that needs improving. The HD should pull the players who need slap shot training aside during a practice and work with them while the coach is doing skills or basic drills. The HD should keep track of which players are getting his/her time and be certain that by years end each player on each team has had the benefit of one-on-one (or smaller group) time. That's what makes them special.
If they are not doing these things, they are not needed.
If they are coaching a team, they are not doing these things.
My comment on coaches: Are they worth the price? Really, what does the coach bring to the team? Are they really worth what they are being paid today? Years ago a coach made $1k - $1.8k a fall season to cover incidentals really. Today, omg. But has the quality of the (majority of ) coaches improved to the level of pay today? I really think not. Coaches used to do it for the love of the game. Today it's additional income.
I'd be curious to know what the club with the low fees listed in this thread pays for ice and coaches. Possibly that information is available and if so, please share.
One solution to lowering costs would be to reach out to the Chicago business community and locate young business people who played hockey through college. How many D-1 and D-3 / junior players are there in Chicago? I'll bet hundreds and so there must be a few dozen who would be excellent in 'giving back' while finding a low cost way to stay fit and stay on the ice. Just a thought.
Without a director the club needs to figure out how to take care of hiring coaches and directing training. It can be done using freelance help but it involves more involvement (time) and remember, the board is already investing more time then you are.
Maybe you should offer to help.
Certainly, if you think you know better, you owe it to your kid to show up at the board meetings.
I'm stepping off the soap box now.
Re: former board memberNo score for this post
|May 29 2010, 6:46 AM |
As a former board member, the cost of ice is the biggest factor when it comes to the cost of hockey. In comparison, a hockey director's salary is a small percentage when you are talking about $1,000,0000 + ice bills. Plus, the ice contracts make hockey organizations buy off hour ice slots that are difficult for the clubs to unload( after 9pm and before 8am).
Add to that a more demanding hockey customer, hockey is an expensive sport. If you look at the above example and try to make that a model here in Illinois, the club members would complain that there is not enough game slots, full ice practice slots, and quality coaching.
Split ice practices is a great way to reduce costs but I can tell you that as a board member, this becomes a bone of contention with club members. Just cutting out the Hockey Directors will not significantly reduce hockey costs in Illinois.
|No math major|
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|May 29 2010, 7:12 AM |
So a hockey director make 100k and over sees a club that has 3 teams at every level. Mite, Squirt, Peewee, Bantam, Minor, Major.
18 teams with a roster of, lets be conservative, 9 forwards, 5 Def. and 2 Goalies. Thats 288 players 100k divided by 288 is a reductions of 347.00 per player....substantial, right.
Now many players are in your Club?
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|May 29 2010, 2:03 PM |
the salaries that are paid out are only part of the problem!! the decisions that the club directors presidents and the board members make in how this money is spent are 99% for self serving purposes only!!members don't speak up because the the directors and his band of blow up dolls (board members) will take it out on there kids!!!have a great weekend everyone!!
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|May 29 2010, 7:16 PM |
The question was.....how can a club like Richmond Virginia send almost as many teams to Nationals as Illinois and cost half as much? ...easy...there are no Hockey Directors and no Goalie Directors...just like all of the Michigan clubs and most other clubs across the US and Canada.
Why can't the board decide who the coaches should be? Why can't the board select a learn to skate instructor or "align" with a figure skating club for lessons?
Goalie coaches should be marketing themselves on the free market (as they do elsewhere)?
What is the True Purpose of a Hockey Director? The President of the Board should understand hockey and align the coaches from Mites with the Squirts and coaches from Squirts with the Pee Wees and vice versa.
There is no need for Hockey Directors, just coaches from different levels or within the same level communicating with each other.
Plus, AHAI has created major barriers to entry for single hockey teams to join a league...why can't a father of a child rent some ice from a facility and start his own team with his child's friends and play in a NIHL league? Every other league allows this...bottom line, Chicago politics has transcended into YOUTH hockey...yes Youth not Parents.
Re: $$$$$$No score for this post
|May 30 2010, 4:28 PM |
Goalie coaches in the Chicagoland area are a joke! There are a few decent ones, but that is about it. Please let's leave the Chicagoland goalie coaches of this discussion!
Hockey is changingNo score for this post
|May 31 2010, 12:05 AM |
Just this year things have changed in hockey. HD with big salaries
have been fired. New HDs are making less everywhere. Ice costs are $300-350
per hour. If a hockey club enters a team in a house/travel league its
$1,000. Why is this cost so much? What does AHAI do for that grand?
The rinks raise their costs for ice slots because they high overhead.
What most coaches make covers their gas to the games.
SponsorshipNo score for this post
|May 31 2010, 7:17 AM |
Is there a rule in IL that teams cannot have coprorate sponsors? I see that the AAA teams in MI have sponsors (Honey Baked, Compuware, Bell Tire, Little Ceasrs) but we do not have that in IL. I have met many hockey parents who have kids at various levels (AAA,AA,A,B) and many parents have some good connections and would probably be able to get some sponsors. Glacier had a 4x4 tourney that was "free" as the teams were sponsered by comacast, verizon, Jamba juice, etc...Does AHAI not allow clubs to be sponsored?
costNo score for this post
|June 2 2010, 12:38 PM |
Prices in Illinois will never drop that much,high ice cost due to too many rinks that were too expensive to build(example IIC Leafs center), too much emphasis on travel hockey(4 AAA teams plus CSDHL) and paid coaches and hockey directors(most of them aren't really doing enough to justify paying them!) AHAI might be trying to actually do the right thing for a change with the mites getting away from travel hockey. Lower the cost of the game, get more athletes involved and everybody wins. Cost down, rinks full and more players will mean more cream rising to the top just based on the laws of average.Maybe in our hockey lifetime we'll get it right in Illinois.
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|June 2 2010, 2:41 PM |
Q) Why is hockey expensive? A) Because everything in the the Chicago area is expensive; clothes, food, gas, housing, restaurants, tolls, taxes, etc. I would guess that the average Chicago hockey family income is much higher than Detroit, St. Louis, Madison, etc. That's just the way it is.
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|June 4 2010, 3:31 PM |
Does it justify paying twice the price?
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|June 5 2010, 9:38 AM |
"Does it justify paying twice the price?"
Median home prices of the three counties surrounding Detroit: Macomb $49K, Wayne $75K, Oakland $142K.
Median home prices Chicago area: City $225k, Cook $195k, Lake $200K.
Everything is more expensive in the Chicago area. I'd bet that if I dug a little deeper on the internet, on this rainy day, that I would find that youth football, soccer, baseball, etc are cheaper by far in the metro areas that we compete with in youth hockey. Until Obama steps in with a ice rink bailout plan-that's just the way it is.
Quick Question???No score for this post
|June 5 2010, 10:22 AM |
How is the job market in the metro Detroit area? Do food stamps pay for hockey in Detroit??