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May 3 2011 at 11:43 AM
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What is the difference between NIHL AA and CSDHL?

 
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May 3 2011, 12:38 PM 

csdhl members are usually the larger clubs. NIHL is smaller clubs.

 
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May 3 2011, 3:04 PM 

Well, except that the CSDHL and NIHL are usually the same CLUBS ... CSDHL is $500 more expensive in fees but arguably tougher competition and greater travel than NIHL AA.

http://cayhockey.blogspot.com/2010/12/what-does-it-cost-to-play-hockey-in.html

 
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May 3 2011, 4:48 PM 

With the exception of a couple of clubs in IL it is the same.

 
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May 4 2011, 4:05 AM 

They are 2 different AA leagues. Clubs that are big enough can have teams in more than one league. NHL has more member clubs and teams, and more division levels (elite, gold, silver, bronze... and can be silver tier 1, tier2, etc.) CSDHL is smaller and simpler, and uses major and minor divisions. Yes, Central states is farther travel and more expensive... and is slightly more competitive... but close to NIHL elite level. There are those who say Central States dilutes and confuses competition in Illinois, and should be eliminated. Best thing to do to get a sense of it is look at both their websites, including the teams at the different levels.

 
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Indy afton chesterfield

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May 4 2011, 5:28 AM 

Are all looking at the new aaa NIHL, and may well be making the move to the new league.

 
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May 4 2011, 8:14 AM 

Oh please! I dont think so... If any thing they will be in both. The new Tier II AAA league is wannabe AAA and would not fare well vs the stronger CS clubs like Blues.

 
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May 4 2011, 8:34 AM 

" Are all looking at the new aaa NIHL, and may well be making the move to the new league."

The true AAA teams will have nothing to do with the jokers who are running this. Ahai probaly would like to run these two right out of Illinois. Why in the world would a respected league (CSDHL) have anything to do with this?

Anyone who has a half a brain in the hockey world is running as fast as they can away.

I find it interesting that anyone would even get on this board and throw this out. Perhaps this person is naive or part of the BS. Keep up the good work, but don't think we won't call you on it.


 
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NIHL AAA

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May 5 2011, 6:36 AM 

I can understand the theory behind this league. Teams like Milwaukee, Madison, Green Bay and others are just sick and tired playing an independant schedule. The website states that only one Chicago team is participating. I don't know enough about the AHAI rules, but I suspect the Chicago IceDogs will not be allowed to participate. If respectable organizations like the Indy Racers are willing to leave the CSDHL, what does that say about the state of CSDHL? My son plays on a CSDHL team and I have to say, the competition is pretty damn lame. Is this new league really AAA hockey? There will be some very good teams, but compared to LC, HB, Compuware, Mission, St. Louis......none of these teams will be even come close to the elite, but who really cares. Parity is the key to this league. It looks like the competition will be a hell of a lot better than Chicago's NIHL and the CSDHL. Now....for the two individuals that are spear heading this league. I can't say because I really don't know these individuals. From what everybody says...their crooks, but unfortunately, there are a lot of crooks in youth hockey. Especially in Chicago. Again, the theory behind this league is a great idea, the execution and the people behind are in question. I, for one, hope it flies!

 
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C.S.

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May 5 2011, 7:46 AM 

Madison and G. Bay USED to be in C.S. until 5 yrs ago. They also played in a AAA league with St. Louis jr. Blues, Chicago Chill ( now Fury ), Mission, and I think Milwaukee AAA ( jr. Adimarals now ).
When they pulled out of CS, CS went downhill fast.
There are 2 St. Louis teams and 1 team from Indy in CS now.....THAT's it !
Why have it ?
7 or 8 local teams and 3 from out of state ?
If they want to have a CS league, the out of state teams should have to come up here and play....NO trips to Indy or St. L to ACCOMODATE those 3 orgs. period.
Isn't part of new ADM model and HPHL league about less travel and less $$$ ?
Hockey is WAY to expensive now in Chicago, gas at $4.50 a gallon, driving from N. shore to Orland Park or Romeoville is enough travel.
Ther should be 3 divisions of NIHL ( gold, silver and bronze or 1,2,3 or whatever else you want to call them)and thats it. NO CS.
Travel out of town should be up to each team or org. and forget about CS.
If a kid is that much better than everyone else at AA, then play AAA.

 
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May 5 2011, 11:18 AM 

CSDHL is significantly more competitive than NIHL Elite, but not on par with AAA. However, there is overlap at all levels and the Top one or two NIHL Elite teams at a level are as good and maybe better than the bottom one or two CSDHL teams. Same with AAA, The top one or two CSDHL teams are as good or better than the bottom one or two AAA clubs. If given a choice for your son, pick the place he feels best at as coaching and practice time is very important. He will also rather play regularly, than ride the bench, so keep that in mind. There aren't many NHLers from Illinois, so focus on the values he gains from ice hockey.

 
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Re: C.S.

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May 5 2011, 11:38 AM 

There was an "alternative" league five or so years ago formed by non-CSDHL clubs at the time. It included the Darien Hawks, Vikings, Twin Bridges and a couple others from St. Louis. It was the impetus for CSDHL to select Individual Teams, rather than entire clubs which had been the practice prior.

In the early 90's there was NIHL AA and A levels...that was it along with 2 Tier l teams CYA and TI.
And every rink had an IN HOUSE League of teams or played within just a few local rinks.

Late 90's saw the creation of CSDHL AA1/2 with the larger Illinois clubs, Madison, Indy, etc.

NIHL responded with Gold AA, Silver AA and Bronze A levels.

Chill and then Mission were granted AAA charters by AHAI.

NIHL introduced "tiering" to allow competitive balance and seperated Gold Teams into Pool A and Pool B, which became NIHL Elite and NIHL Gold.

Keep in mind there was significant growth in the youth hockey population those years along with additional rinks to meet demand. And only one Junior team in Chicago, The Freeze. Now there are four.

It's the evolutionary process, maybe a bit accelerated, maybe overblown. I don't know, but the market forces will find an equilibrium. It looks like the HPHL will happen, so what path will Fury take? A new AAA league for AA clubs based up north?? Not sure about that one. Whatever decision your family makes this fall, ask people you know and trust and stick with it for the season, but don't complain since you have options...it sends the wrong mesage to your kids.

 
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AAA League

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May 5 2011, 12:05 PM 

Two years ago Huskies had a u16 midget minor team play in the NAPHL "AAA" Midget League. There is no prohibition of a AA team playing in a so-called AAA league. It is up to the league to let teams in.

 
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May 5 2011, 4:12 PM 

add one more "A" and "call it AAAA" and you guys will be the best!! please listen to yourselfs, AAA is history so call it what you want. the top teams with the top talent are the HPC,s period! there will not be any teams that will compete with them. so call em what u want

 
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Re: C.S.

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May 5 2011, 4:12 PM 

gotta love it, no Indy, no St. Louis, that just leaves CS with mostly crappy chic team. But at least that way a chic team has a chance of actually winning. must be tiring losing all the time to indy or stl all the time. Can't beat AA out of town teams and can't beat AAA out of town teams either.

 
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May 5 2011, 6:26 PM 

How many clubs are in the St. Loser area? Exactly....bigger pond to draw from with not as many fishermen! At least we don't have to live in St. Loser!!!

 
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CS versus NIHL Elite

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May 6 2011, 7:22 AM 

If st. Louis & Indy leave what is the differnce between CS and NIHL Elite ???

 
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Just sayin'

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May 6 2011, 11:41 AM 

Let's count:

IL- 4 Teams
Indy-2
STL-1

**CSDHL Championship Games**

Squirt Championship
Indy 2 - Sabres 1

PeeWee Minor Championship
Bruins 3 - Affton 1

PeeWee Major Championship
Indy 6 - Blues 2

Bantam Minor Championship
Blues 5 - Affton 3

Bantam Major Championship
Affton 5 - Indy 0

Midget Minor Championship
Chargers 4 - Sabres 3 (OT)

Midget Major Championship
Rockford 5 - Twin Bridges 3

 
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Let's really count

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May 6 2011, 12:11 PM 

Number of Indy Teams in CS - 5 (three reached the final, 60%, 2 Champions = 40%)

Number of Chicago CS teams - 40, number of champions = 3

St. Louis has better numbers as well.

Absolutely spectacular numbers chi-town


 
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Indy/St.Louis

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May 6 2011, 12:41 PM 


How many viable programs are there in the Indy and St. Louis area?

Chicago has so many options that the talent gets spead out.

North: (Falcons, Ice Dogs, Glenview, Wilmette, Winnetka, Northbrook)

South: (Huskies, Sabres, Jaguars, Hawks, Vikings)

Central (Express, Blues, Bruins, Admirals)

NW: (Chargers, Redwings, Leafs, Yellow Jackets, Wolfpack)

City: (McFetrridge, Jets)

Sorry if I forgot a few, but you get the point.

Hockey parents are nuts and even if a rink is closer to their house, they will drive to "get better coaching" or "better program". Where I live I can easily go to any of 5 clubs without much trouble or that much more travel time.

If you live in Indy or St. Louis, First of all my condolences. Secondly, there are just not as many options for competitive hockey. I guess you could go to the Maniax or Irish but choices are limited.

 
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May 6 2011, 2:23 PM 

Lot of mediocre programs in Chicago, lots of mediocre hockey players, lots and lots of frustration in not being able to compete with traditional hockey powers like MN, MI et al. Now you can't even compete with STL and Indy. Spin the company line all you want, but it's clear there is NO development in chicago.

 
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Chicago Development

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May 6 2011, 2:42 PM 

You are absolutely right!

How many teams does Chicago and surrounding burbs have? There are literally hundreds of house, NIHL, CSDHL, and AAA teams at all levels. How many players from Chicago actually play in the NHL? 9! That's nine! That's it! Absolutely terrible numbers considering how many kids play hockey in Chicago. It all points to one thing..........Development! There is absolutely none of it here! Argue all you want, the numbers don't lie! 9 is the magic number!

 
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Missing the Point

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May 6 2011, 6:24 PM 

The kids headed to the show are all (and I mean all) on a different track- if you're on this board, zero chance. If you're on the AAA board 2-3%, maybe at the MM, mm levels. So, where is the best place to play a lot of hockey for a lot of kids from Mite to HS? Answer- Chicago, 1000's of kids. Anyone on the board that would like to offer up their name, we can track your kid's progress in AA or the new AAA lite and see how it works out for you at D1 and NHL.

 
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Re: Chicago Development

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May 6 2011, 6:33 PM 

Plenty of problems with Chicago Hockey but questioning development at the curent time is a losing and ignorant argument. Right now Chicago is putting out some very high level players.

Forget MN for a second. If you compare Chicago to Detroit, the gap is closing as measured by nationally ranked AAA teams - especially at the older levels. Looking at the USA National development 17 U and 18U teams over the past few years and the gap is pretty much gone. USHL etc, Chicago players all ove the place. MI only advantage over IL is that the whole state skates and here it is pretty much just the metro area for elite AAA play.

St Louis has a quality AAA team because the entire city feeds into one program. The current fledgling AAA team really sucked this year, but at the older ages already has tapped a FEW kids from Afton, weakening that program. Wait until one of the upstarts gains momentum and the city fields 2 teams at the Elite level.

Bitch about politics and costs and whatever, but Chicago is developing more elite players now than ever.

 
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Re: Chicago Development

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May 7 2011, 7:43 AM 

name the high level kids chicago is pumping out at the moment. For the number of kids playing, the ratio is just awful!!!

 
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Development

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May 7 2011, 8:58 AM 

No need to name youths on a hockey board website....look throughout the rosters of USHL and NAHL teams. Your kid will get out of it, what he or she puts into it! Hopefully your child will develop into a strong human being with a great work ethic and life skills learned along the way. Not to mention the numerous friendships that are forged along the way. I hope that your child makes it to the show, but, if they don't I hope that they are a productive member of society!!!

 
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Start providing some back up.

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May 7 2011, 9:00 AM 

Somebody said 9 Chicago players are in the NHL. There are 207 USA born players in NHL, all things equal that would be 4.2 players per state, (excluding Hawaii). Right now, using 9 as the number there are 4.5% of USA born players from Chicago in the NHL. Check out Canada's numbers below, over 50% and holding steady. Don't move to Minnesota, move to Canada, But wait, if you consider how many kids play hockey in Canada, the number that makes it may actually be a SMALLER percentage than US players.

Here is a nice table to work from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hockey_League

Scoll down about 3/4 of the way.

I would use D1 players as a better yard stick, I am working on finding that breakdown.

To the poster who put up the out of town CS team numbers, nice job, but bad logic. Using your same theory. Rockford had 1 team in CS, Won 1 Championship, hence they are at 100%, Sooo using your train of thought Rockford would by FAR be the best place for development. Do you think that is true?

 
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Just Saying

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May 7 2011, 9:04 AM 

GREAT POST. More number that differ from above.

Table 1: Number of NHL players (goalies included) by country of birth.
country of birth
number
of players
percent
of total
Canada 516 53.6
USA 178 18.5
Czech Republic 66 6.9
Sweden 45 4.7
Russia 41 4.3
Finland 39 4.1
Slovakia 31 3.2
Germany 8 0.8
Ukraine 7 0.7
Kazakhstan 6 0.6
Latvia 3 0.3
Belarus 3 0.3
Austria 3 0.3
Poland 3 0.3
All others 13 1.4
total 962

 
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May 7 2011, 9:04 AM 

GREAT POST. More number that differ from above.

Table 1: Number of NHL players (goalies included) by country of birth.
country of birth
number
of players
percent
of total
Canada 516 53.6
USA 178 18.5
Czech Republic 66 6.9
Sweden 45 4.7
Russia 41 4.3
Finland 39 4.1
Slovakia 31 3.2
Germany 8 0.8
Ukraine 7 0.7
Kazakhstan 6 0.6
Latvia 3 0.3
Belarus 3 0.3
Austria 3 0.3
Poland 3 0.3
All others 13 1.4
total 962

 
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Ridiculous math

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May 7 2011, 1:07 PM 

you can't divide 207 (or whatever) by 49 or 50 and get a meaningful stat. First, adjusted for population, Illinois is one of the more populous states. It also is in the cold weather zone that makes hockey more popular, no surprise that Texas, California, and Florida have low numbers. With those adjustments, Illinois pales in comparison to MN, MI, and a bunch of New England states. We have a long way to go to be proud of Illinois programs.

 
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Do better

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May 7 2011, 1:33 PM 

Find the total number of kids that EVER play hockey in both states, from house to HS. Find the total number of active D1 players, you may be surprised by what you find. To state IL is behind without backup is foolish.

Perhaps we could look at the USHL futures draft by state


*Futures Draft Selections by State

Michigan – 13

Minnesota – 11

Illinois – 10

California – 7

New York – 7

Massachusetts – 4

Florida – 2

Missouri – 2

North Carolina – 2

Ohio – 2

Texas – 2

Colorado – 1

Connecticut – 1

Iowa – 1

Maryland – 1

Nevada – 1

New Jersey – 1

North Dakota – 1

Oregon – 1

Pennsylvania – 1

Wisconsin – 1

Humm 1 behind MN and 2 behind MI, Both states have a significantly larger number of total hockey players according to previous posts, therfore Illinois has a larger percentage of players taken in the top JR draft, correct? Larger pecentage would equal greater development, no?

 
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May 7 2011, 1:52 PM 

populations:

IL 12.8M
MI 9.9M
MA 6.5M
MN 5.3M

now how great are we doing?

it ain't bad, but we could do better. Or are you happy when you just make it into the semifinals?

 
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Captain Development

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May 7 2011, 1:38 PM 

Be proud of your child, no matter if they play AAA or house.

 
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May 7 2011, 1:54 PM 

@Grow Up,

agreed, but we're talking about progams, not kids here.

 
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May 7 2011, 1:59 PM 

Add to the USHL numbers that several IL kids already committed to the national team and did not get drafted.

 
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May 7 2011, 4:48 PM 

Your really not very good at this are you. Not total population, it has to be based on the number of participants involved in the study group. But I like your research, your at least making the effort to back up your arguement with numbers, bad numbers, but numbers none the less. If you don't find it I will do the research on Monday.

 
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May 7 2011, 7:06 PM 

@71.90.95.155

I am good at this. Population and climate should be the main factors, unless you want to get complicated and consider demographics. Participation is partially dependent on the availability and cost of quality programs. Save your research, I'm sure MI and MN have more players per capita.

 
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May 7 2011, 9:40 PM 

Most current numbers of registered USA Hockey paid players: page 3
MI 47, 187
MN 45, 194
Central 47, 441 Central is (IL, IA, KS, MO, NE, WI)
WI is not a small number hockey state. Neither is MO.


On page 10 you can see total players and get an IL count. Get rid of the 19 and older and the approximate numbers for players 18 and under are
IL 17+K
MI 31+K
MN 46+K

The IL number of players going to USHL and higher compared to MI and MN look even better now.



Here is the link:
http://www.usahockey.com/uploadedFiles/USAHockey/Menu_Membership/Menu_Membership_Statistics/09-10%20FINAL%20REPORT%20BOOK.pdf



 
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May 8 2011, 3:26 AM 

Granted that Illinois may be doing well with the players it has, that is certainly an important part of the equation. But the question remains of how to make hockey programs more affordable and attractive to more families in Illinois in order to raise the absolute number of participants.

 
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you a dancer

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May 8 2011, 5:43 AM 

Cause you sure do the sidestep well, last time I checked we were talking development of players already involved in youth hockey. Nothing was said about bringing it to more people at less cost, that would be a totally different discussion. Then you need to determine if your bringing the sport to them for recreation, which would be the case if you are just trying to improve numbers. Or are you seriously trying to bring MORE players to develop to a high level of play above and beyond the players you are attempting to do that with now. Which by the way, you state we are not doing well at, yet now you want to bring in more players, cheaper, and make them elite athletes.

You who, time for a reality check.

 
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Development

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May 8 2011, 6:37 AM 

I would like to see the economic backgrounds of the kids from Illinois that move on to higher levels like the USHL?

I would expect most of the Illinois kids that move to higher levels are from wealthy families or from atleast upper middle income families.

Development in Illinois is purely based on how much a familiy's income is. I don't see too many awesome hockey players being driven to the rink in a 20 year old beater Chevy.

 
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May 8 2011, 7:36 AM 

Beat up Chevys is a completely different argument. As I said many posts ago, bitching about costs is valid. It is the development argument that doesn't hold water in recent years.


 
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Re: Development

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May 8 2011, 8:42 AM 

doesn't matter whether you look at AA or AAA, chicago hockey has fallen behind BIG TIME!! Chicago CS teams cannot comepete with Indy or STL and at AAA Detroit has you beaten

 
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May 8 2011, 11:02 AM 

From my understanding, in Detroit, most of hockey is sponsored and costs to play, are only a few hundred dollars a year. This makes a wider range of players to choose from, enabling more talent to be found. Indy and St. Louis have fewer teams so they have a wider area of kids to pick from. If the Chicago area decreased the amount of teams, as Indy or St. Louis, or decreased costs where almost anyone could play, you would see much stronger teams and it wouldn't look like Chicago didn't know how to develop kids. Just my opinion.

 
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May 8 2011, 12:30 PM 

well, if it's not obvious, decreasing the number of teams is undesirable, while decreasing costs and increasing kids' participation is desirable.

 
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May 8 2011, 2:13 PM 

19 year old Datsun truck, what else do you want to see? You are wrong. The USA numbers show it. Check the only league where Detroit and Chicago compete directly. All past MWEHL standings for the the last few years - especially bm and older show you are wrong as well. Chicago is doing a better job than ever of developing high level teams and individual players. Frankly, Detroit is falling behind from the stranglehold they once held on Midwestern US born players.




 
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May 8 2011, 3:20 PM 

Wrong about Detroit hockey. Tier II costs about $2,000 - $2,500 per year. Less expensive than Chicago but certainly more than "a few hundred bucks". Ice costs are slightly less but the big difference is coaching/directors. Most coaches in Detroit (tier II again) are volunteer and most organizations don't have high paid directors on top of that. There are some exceptions of course.

 
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Deeetroit

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May 8 2011, 3:54 PM 

No matter how good Detroit hockey is, living in Detroit sucks!!!!!! Detroit is the anus of the US Body.

 
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Ice Time

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May 9 2011, 2:03 AM 

Its the ice time in Chicago that is much higher than other states.
IIC charges $350 per hour for the crappiest ice Ive ever skated on.

 
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May 9 2011, 3:26 PM 

you people are truely fucking nuts, your kids are going nowhere. just live with that, and quit living thru them. my god, this shit is unreal.

 
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May 10 2011, 4:26 PM 

Define nowhere. If by nowhere you mean the nhl the odds say you are probably right. I know two birth years well and there are quite a few that have or will be drafted by the ushl. Of the two years I know, I would not be surprised if at least 10 Chicago kids from each year make D1 teams, USA or go to the ohl. A few 95s have already committed to D1 schools and a few to usa. Add to that a larger number making D3 teams and you have plenty of Chicago kids playing games that matter into their 20's. That doesn't seem like nowhere to me.

 
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indy and afton 96's

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May 16 2011, 2:35 PM 

and let's not forget that indy won the league two years ago and afton won it this year. in addition, afton played indy in the nationals finals and loss to indy 4-3 in ot.

afton was also the number one team in the country with my hockey rankings, which i know nobody pays attetnion to and indy was 9th or 10th.

indy, afton and chesterfield are great competition and they need chicago aa teams as much as chciago teams need them for competition.

just my two cents worth!


 
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May 16 2011, 3:38 PM 

Let's see ?
Indy, Affton, and chesterfield = 3

Chicago has how many AA orgs. ? almost 30 !

Who needs Who ?

 
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May 16 2011, 5:40 PM 

AA/cdhl... Whatever...IL Tier 2 players do not get drafted by the ushl and do not play on d1 hockey teams... Get real

 
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AAA not much better

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May 16 2011, 5:45 PM 

AAA not doing too much better at that either. Keep tossing em back dad...Jr is watching.

 
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TRAVEL

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May 16 2011, 7:04 PM 

No reason for AA teams in Chicago to have to travel out of state for league games. PERIOD.

Tournaments are totally up to individual teams.


 
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May 16 2011, 8:42 PM 

especially when chicago teams continue to get their asses handed to them by the out of town teams. stay in town and we might be able to win some games.

 
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May 18 2011, 4:13 PM 

10 chicago 95s will not play D1, not even 5, and yes they can commit,hell my 95 has commited to west mich, dont mean hes going. and yes some may play ushl, some ohl, whl,but dont mean they are going anywhere from there, there are 100s of jr teams, and your kid can get on many different ones,jr.a, b ,c even switch 5-6 teams by the time he ages out. parents need to stop comparing teams and leagues, and commit to developement first!! then and only then will you see the numbers rise. too much illinois hockey is based on money, and thinking you get the best by paying more. total bullshit! look at some of these so called AAA teams , i dont have to name them. its all about money to them. find a club that will care about developing your player and not lining their pockets and your son will be found,even if he dont play AAA,
Father of a USHL player

 
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You must be Mr Baseball

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May 18 2011, 6:51 PM 

Cause you are way out in left field. This thread has nothing to do with 95s, D1, hockey numbers in Illinois, Juniors or your kid. But somehow you manage to try and weasel your anti Illinois, my kids great, spin on another thread that has nothing to do with what you wrote about. Please return that 30 seconds it took me to read your totally useless comment.

 
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YOU GUYS ARE WRONG

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June 17 2011, 11:00 AM 

The only reason why you guys think that CS and nihl elite are the same is bc your kids couldnt make the cs team. If it isnt competetive then why dont you go look on the rankings and tell me how many cs teams are in top 25. then i want you to think how many teams were from cs playing in the AA group of blackhawk cup.

 
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June 17 2011, 1:09 PM 

In a few years your kids are all playing mens league...

 
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June 17 2011, 3:46 PM 

There is no differnce between CS and NIHL with the exeception of the out of state teams. The CS teams are the first team for their respective club. The NIHL teams that choose not to join have there number 1 team represented there.

Thats it plain and simple !! If there was no CS or out of state team playing against Illinois than we would be back to NIHL.

I am not quite sure why it so important to play these out of state teams when you could play them in tournaments. All that is happening is your supporting them and adding additional expense to an expensive sport.

 
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June 17 2011, 6:50 PM 

Quote:

"There is no differnce between CS and NIHL with the exeception of the out of state teams. The CS teams are the first team for their respective club. The NIHL teams that choose not to join have there number 1 team represented there."

That is wrong. You don't just choose to join. You have to be allowed in. There have been many cases over the years where a club was not allowed in at certain levels due to lack of competitive teams.

 
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June 17 2011, 7:55 PM 

Bender-

Your view on CS is what is wrong with IL youth hockey. The individual players that make up the AA CS teams are no better than NIHL Elite players ( also AA). The teams are often better because they represent the larger clubs in our state. The league they play in makes no difference. If we lost CS then those teams would play NIHL. NIHL Elite would be a stronger league than CS because the two best NIHL Elite teams are often better than Indy and Chesterfield. If you need to play Afton that badly then meet them in Peoria twice a year or find a tournament you both want to enter.

Many Elite players could play CS but choose to stay in their local club. This is the right thing to do but parents always seem to have to find something different (notice I did not say better). IL hockey was better before CS and four AAA teams. If ADM was really the goals we would go to two AAA teams and the best of the rest would be AA NIHL in their local community.



 
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June 17 2011, 8:57 PM 

Sure, I am a bender. SO which part of the previous comment was wrong about "choosing to play CS?"


 
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June 17 2011, 8:59 PM 

And by the way, the "Elite" players are not playing NIHL by BM and certainly not by mm....

 
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Correct

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June 17 2011, 10:26 PM 

And no "Elite" player is playing CS at BM or Midget. So funny that the parents that this AA league is a path to another level. Yes, the college coaches all stress the importance playing three out of state teams in their recruiting.

CS is an ego league that can't back up the BS it creates, if you think your kid is that good then make a AAA team. If not then let's get back to a strong tier 2 league for Illinois kids.

 
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June 18 2011, 12:48 PM 

Agreed. The handful of "Elite" players in IL are at AAA by mm. A few posts up a guy was talking about "Elite" players at NIHL - agreed that goes for CS too.

That said, there are many good players and fun hockey to watch at mm and MM AA. No question though, CS is superior to NIHL at the higher level.


 
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but

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June 19 2011, 5:26 AM 

is it not true, however, that many of the "elite" players, who are good enough, can not break into AAA level at bantam or mm because coaches are more likely to go with the players they know and have played together?

 
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Not True

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June 19 2011, 7:15 AM 

If your kid is good enough, he'll be able to make an AAA team. Chance of making Mission is very slim, although I heard they were looking at a 97 d-man from Cyclones...not sure if he was offered a spot or not. I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but at BM the other three teams all have AA kids on their rosters. It should not be a surprise that the weaker teams would be more likely to look at AA kids. If you're interested in making the move, you need to go to the AAA coaches, not wait for them to come to you (they don't generally scout AA games). You have to make the effort to attend skates. Also, a kids (and parents) must have good attitudes. Unless your kid is a superstar, a bad reputation will kill you. I can think of two AA kids who had a chance to make it, but didn't primarily because of their antics.

I think (not sure) that TI and Fury have both held cards back, just in case something comes up. If you think your son has it, you should contact one of their coaches.

 
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June 19 2011, 8:18 PM 

"is it not true, however, that many of the "elite" players, who are good enough, can not break into AAA level at bantam or mm because coaches are more likely to go with the players they know and have played together?"

No way, There are very few elite players. If older, they are known. Many good players can still make spots and see where the year takes them.


 
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